Rebecca Minkoff | From Building a Fashion Empire to Love, Setbacks & The Truth About Her Beliefs!

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Just think it's some kind of animation, maybe for the opening of something like Kev, maybe you like in a Mustang, like flying down the street, taking a turn hard and will do like comic book type animation of you and me sitting in the front seat like, we're cool, whatever we're both eating, not eating out. f**king Bea Arthur from behind. I prefer Rue McClanahan. But listen, Kaye Ballard, this is quick. This The Kevin Nash podcast, I'm sure all over the g*****n muse. Kevin Nash. What what a what a what a production we open we had, man, this is like, yeah, this is too much. This is we should worry when you pitch this to me in like 2017, it was. Couple of guys hanging out. I think that's what that's literally what you said to me. So well, what's the show? What is that thing you said? Couple of guys hanging out? All right. Let our listeners belly up to the bar. Metaphorically. Yeah. I mean, because every time we every time we did like a. A shoot interview session. You know, we always would go out afterwards capital grill or someplace and sit down and have, you know, something to drink is something to eat. And we always. And to me, that would always end up being a better conversation than what we did on tape. So I always thought that this was a proof that not let that not influence anyone ready to go. Subscribe to the kayfabe commentaries vault. But but I also told people there were a handful of guys in the business that I I enjoyed time off camera with. And you were one of them. Sullivan's another guy that you could, yeah, absolutely chop it up about almost anything with Sullivan's brewery, and he'd be he'd be cool. So this is the podcast game. Do you listen to podcasts on? My son's a huge podcast guy, so I'm influenced probably more by his influences. Like, I'll listen to Rogan. I like Tom Segura. I like the way we listen to the lawyer. Me and my son do. But I mean, I. I don't listen to a lot now. Yeah, it's the new I mean, I guess radio's dead, is that the whole thing, right? It's yeah, it's democratized radio kind of remove the gatekeepers, which is usually a good thing, but sometimes not because you have varying, varying competencies on the microphone and in production. But. But this, you know, everyone's going, oh, another wrestling podcast, oh my God. But this is this I don't call this a wrestling podcast because you were a wrestler makes it a wrestling podcast. Yeah. I think it's more of a I was also in the army, so there was a military public military podcast, you were a basketball player. Maybe this is a basketball basketball. It could be a sport ships sports podcast or. Men, drug and alcohol, but look, if you could, you could speak to that equally as perhaps as fluently. Yeah. Maybe the volunteers, maybe we should change the colors to orange. They love you down there, huh? Oh God. One of their favorites. What did what did you tell me you were choking out the coach? No, smack the coach, did you smack? Oh, all right, well. How dare I? Way before spring, well, right before it was cool. Yeah. How would you and Bobby Knight have gotten along, I wonder? Well, this prick was Bobby Knight's assistant. That was his whole deal. Well, it's just a hard ass, or oh, no, hey, this is the this is the idea to get truth. I found out later on like he had a wife that they used to be at every practice and take pictures, and she like the long lens and should be on the road and she'd take pictures. I guess that the coach found a box of photographs of me. And I think I guess he just had, you know, it must have thought I was, he couldn't have thought I was hitting it because she was f**king just brutal. Yes, but. I think that she had a. Did she did she put the long Zoom to to good use? I mean, you really need to get that much of a zoom, and it's just, well, I guess, right? So the guy strips my s**t out, yeah, those are the older guys Italy used to say it was it to go secrecy. The short guys, that's all guys. The guys, that's all good. You know, this sort of short guy, says White Man. No, it's it's. Who cares? Well, you know, you're talking about God. Listen, it always comes back to we said that two minutes before we went on the air, I don't know if I'm up again, but God always gives you, are you? Listen. You know, another wrestling podcast, right? So I should ask, Are you watching Raw every week? Is it? Is it on the DVR? It is. It has been. I I have DVR Raw since I've had a DVR. And there's, you know. And whether I watch it or not, a lot depends on, you know, like during during the NBA season, not a chance like, you know, during football, no chance. But right now, like I'm not much of a like early season baseball guy. Hockey's done. And the WNBA games are mostly on Sundays, which I will watch, but so I've watched, I watch seem coming back. Watch this that the 20 year deal with CNN that the big the big handshake intro. Yeah, yeah. And it was crazy because I know that when he walked in the back, he knew about as many people as I did. I mean, I was just like, I was like, OK, Ziggler and The Miz and Rey. And that's it. So I. Plus war concert and see, I well, I usually do is I'll tape it and I'll watch my the guys I like to watch, like I'll watch their segments. So my Gorton's like my as my favorite current active guy right now. So I watch I, you know, I think that, you know, I watched you last night and. Because I thought maybe I would find something to do. You know? Link the bridge from my wrestling career that I could talk about. And the thing that I found out or I realized was like, nobody has any heat. And there's nobody. On the television show. That I look at and I say that person, if this was real and kicked my door down, I'd be like, Oh, f**k. You know, I mean, they're athletic, but that I mean, they never look like they can throw a f**king punch. So can we attribute this to? Because I mean, the cat's been out of the bag with with kayfabe for a long time, right? So we can't say, well, it's because, you know, no one believes that it's real because we don't believe the N to be aware and w o was real either. But you guys, you guys had mad heat. So what is it? Is that the performers? Is it the writing? Is it the is it the jaded fan who you literally have to blow up half the arena to get a reaction now? What is it? Either way, I think that what it is is it's just the the work style has just changed. You know where it's that. It's a spot first. I mean, to me, it almost feels. Look at when I watch a match. Like, I'm so glad when they go into that, and I realize now that they both both the companies do it, were they the commercial break to go to the the, you know, the action in a small box? Hmm. And I actually enjoy that more because they're going so f**king fast. I'm a, you know, a large screen TV. It's just you like slow the f**k down. Whiplash watching it. Yeah, yeah. It's just it's tough. It's just too fake. Nobody sells s**t like you can throw it, throw one punch and have the guy f**king sell it. Go against the ropes. Sooner or later, you're going to send the guy off the ropes and you can go to your high spot, but you know you don't have to. I watched Seth Rollins, and Seth is a great athlete, and he's an unbelievably talented. He's had some of the best matches I've seen, but transition right now, like I watched him last night, the one that first Bali are on Monday and it was actually Monday night. But I watched last night the first Ali that he threw in the corner with the guy kind of turned his back and it was just it looked like he was like. Making egg whites. You know, is that an industry term? I don't. Yeah, just like, OK, you know, no, no, no. But like, you know? In the wood brother. Right, right. So if you were down there as a trainer, so if they wanted you to go to work, do you ever get invited down to to talk to any of the developmental? Yeah, I actually I actually worked with with with the with the big man giant Amos. So what were you, what did you tell the kids that could transcend to today? Right? Because you can't and I guess you can't go back 20 years. It's stylistically they have to be competitive with what the fan expects to see today. But what can they take from your time and still apply today and still make it look like today's product, but maybe have an edge? I talked to the big guys, you know, I was down there with the bigger guys and I told them, like, there's nothing like when you stop somebody and you stop like in the middle of the ring. Take them and throw them from there to the turnbuckle and then take one step and do the clothesline as so the taking somebody all the way back, throwing them on that 20 foot ring and then, you know. You know, plodding down, it's like I mean, you just have to learn how to use the ring effectively to your limited capabilities because you're not going to you're just not going to move like like the smaller guys do. Right? So so you do watch, though still, let's come back. I mean. Well, obviously with also funny that, you know, Cena did an interview, and I thought it was kind of like weird. I'm sure I mean, I know John super busy, but like to have him come back to Laredo. That just didn't you know of all places like this? Nothing against Laredo. It's just. I think of wrestling hotspots, you know? But Laredo and he you know, he cut a promo and, you know, when one of the things that I'll say for John is probably top five promo guy of all time. And but it was to me like cut the promos, like playing golf and you could tell that John had not cut, you know, a promo in a while. It was still solid, but it was didn't have the same, you know? So the guys that are on TV every week, they're naturally going to get better. They're going to get better. Yeah. Repetition is going to make you better. Absolutely. All right. You're you're you're a news addict. I know, right? Yeah. You lock yourself into the news constantly, so it's good to see that you get some wrestling time in there. There's been plenty in the there's been plenty in the news. I just want to say up front now, I'm a lifelong Cowboys fan, so this story crossed me. Cross my phone this morning. They have a partnership with that with a coffee company, right? Which is apparently a pro-gun coffee company. They put in their ads there. Yeah, I guess some of the verbiage in the ads could be seen as a little tone deaf today. I think it's so I want to get the exact and get the exact quote. What the what the what the what the ads did you see this? No, but I know for a fact that I don't know they still do, but I used to listen to Dana. I think your name's Dana Bash. Is that right? Bash? Yeah. Dana Bash, I used to listen to her all the time on the way to the gym as she was a Republican, and she's a, you know, she's a big Second Amendment girl. But she was cool. I mean, she was, you know, she she was kind of a centralist. This was actually Republican. And, you know, she she would call bulls**t on bulls**t. So I listen to her and then after her would be Hannity, and it would be like. All of a sudden it was like, you know, like the acid kicked in and, you know, but he he had that that whatever the hell the name of that, that company you're talking about Black Rifle, Black Rifle Club, that was one of his, I know that was one of his sponsors. Well, they have the f**king pillow f**king freak of that guy. Yeah, yeah. They have the AK 47 espresso blend, the murdered out coffee roast and the silencer smooth coffee roast. Yeah. So let me kick in your f**king door with f**king, you know, it's just like that. So, folks. Hello. But I'm a huge gun guy. I know you are. But when it comes down to it, like. An air 15 is not the good hunting weapons. I mean, anybody that knows what that round does, if you were to shoot a deer with it, even in a ripping yeah, in a beat and s**t all the time, the bullet comes out and says, you know, just it's just not a weapon. Well, nobody even purports that those are hunting guns, right? I mean, even even maybe need to talk to our girl Greene from Georgia. She yeah, it's her favorite hunting weapons, Marjorie. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, listen to how much stupid can you put in a human being? It's this it's become this left right issue, but it's really it's really a common sense issue and the Constitution. Is a document that has been amended and can continue to be amended, and when you talk about the wisdom of the founding fathers, they knew things were going to change. They I, they probably suspect it. As they wrote the Second Amendment. That the that a single load musket was probably not always going to be the norm, probably thought that at one time you were not going to be called out in the middle of the night to fight the Redcoats and you needed your musket at hand. So we're at a time where we don't have the single load musket, and I don't think the Redcoats are coming. No. So what can we talk about? Walk. We've got what I think they said yesterday when I was watching between 10 and 20 million air 15 in this country. And so and I know that there's a lot of people like myself that I didn't necessarily need in Air 15, but I if you know it's like anything, it's it's like the arms race, you know? Pakistan has it that India has it, that if they have it, then we, you know, so it becomes a situation where, you know, the Second Amendment says right to bear arms. Well, you know. It's an Abrams A-1 tank, is that is that considered an arm? I mean, do I have the right to say to bear arms, to serve a militia? And in today's right now it saying if we were in Ukraine and we were part of a militia, would you go with a musket? Would you go with an air 15A? Would you go with Abrams, right? I think I take the Abrams. All right. It's a touchy issue. Yeah. I know you're currently building a tunnel there, you're in Florida, you're building a tunnel so 10 year olds can get out to get abortions, I know. Yeah, because I think that it's one thing is. Just take take, take it with the woman and take her body and just she has no no say so on what happens to her body. And now. I think, you know, if I had to sum it up, it's real simple. If you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. You know, but for a 10 year old girl in Ohio to get raped. And. Miss the six week cut off. By three or four or five, six days, whatever it is. And she's basically at this point now told by Ohio that she's got a good term at 10 years old with a rapist child with a rapist baby inside of her. And she has to go to Indianapolis to have a procedure done to have to have the abortion. I f**king really it's where we are now. I mean, when when are we going to f**king win? When are we going to put women in burkas around this motherf**ker? We're in a we're in an interesting time, we're in a time where the word right. It's one of the most bandied about terms, rights and the disparate interpretation of just that word has created so much strife and everybody's interpretation of what we first heard the rumblings of this during COVID. They would talk about masks as as a violation of someone's right, which of course, the flip side is then you're granting someone the right to get me or my kid or my kid's grandmother sick or kill them. So it comes down to rights. It's it's it's the rights argument. It's not going to end, it's going to. What we've done is we've created this centrifuge right where it left and right have bounced off each other. OK? They have collided. And thrust themselves almost right around the world where they've landed next to each other now around the biosphere, and now they're next to each other. And I'm talking about extremism. I'm not talking about the majority who land in the middle, whether you vote for a Republican or a Democrat. We're all probably within five or 10 percentage points away from each other with a handful of beliefs. Talking about our extreme has stretched the argument so much because that balance that that positive negative charge. Has has really created such a chasm, it's so wide now. You used to be able to have a debate, a Democrat and Republican used to be able to have a debate. No, no, no. Different planets now. No. He used to be that a Republican can have a debate with actual Republicans. And I was, you know, what I could of the Liz Cheney debate in Wyoming. And I mean. I thought it was a sitcom. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Liz, if Liz Cheney runs for president. And she runs against Biden. Although for Liz Cheney. I'm a Democrat, but I'm a centrist Democrat, and just like I know she'll get s**t done because you know why? Because if she's going to go to the bad, it'll be the dick. Are you have any political aspirations, it might seem like a stupid question, but do you have any desire to ever do anything politically? I've never talked to you for more than 10 minutes where it didn't go to something in the news or some policy issue. I. Is it I mean, to me, it's just like. I don't play golf because I'm not going to be a scratch golfer. So, you know, I'm just not going to be a scratch golfer. So there's no if I can't be really, really good at something and in this country. I don't think he I don't think that you can be successful. As a politician, I just don't think that there's a. I mean, name one. Name it. Name a politician, that's that successful. When you said you, when you say successful, you mean to to actually be able to get things done because I mean, when I was a kid, s**t got done across. I mean, there used to be, you know, five senators that were Democrats and six Republicans. They were often some wing put in some bill together and they came to the floor. And nowadays it's just like. Red, red, if you're red or you're blue, it's just like and it doesn't work like, we can't do it, it's and then it's like, You know what? Well, we'll get the filibuster, we'll do this. It's just like. But it was a f**king mess. I know. But but what? I think really what it needs is there was a piece in The Times magazine on on Sunday, and it was about, I think, the title of the article. I'm going to paraphrase it, there was something like the moderate Democrat has the most popular ideas. Why are they disappearing? And it was just an an examination of that kind of that more middle ground that more centralized opinion. And they had a poll that they quoted and 47 percent of voters thought GOP voters thought the GOP was too extreme and 48 percent of thought the Democrats were too extreme. So that's 95 percent of the voting population feels that their party is out of touch with a more moderate ideal. That leaves five percent. This vocal five percent on both sides will take the take. The ones, you know, taken a s**t in Pelosi's office, in the capital and the ones that want to cancel anything that they have decided is offensive. So the two issues that leaves five percent, but it's become so vocal. But most people, the great majority, are where you are. So I do think you'd have success, I think people like you would have success in watching it. I think one thing that I would have going for me is the people say. So many, so many Americans are uninformed. You know, they're just uninformed. And I'm like, they're uninformed because the middle class gets absolutely nothing. They got to work two f**king jobs, shuffle kids around, they got to do, I mean, I'm sorry that I don't have f**king a half hour to watch the nightly news, but I've got to get to my shift a while was. Yeah, no. After working in the assembly line for f**king nine hours, like f**k, it's like middle class America. Well, how about this? Those I got two of my really close friends are teachers. And when Trump gave the tax cut, they got like a hundred and fifteen bucks a month or something like that back. You know, and then and then f**king Amazon focus not paying a dime. Well, the the top don't need it. The bottom, the bottom get it. And the middle have to shoulder it and pay it. Yep, that's who's paying the taxes. Listen, this brings us to our first of the weekly segments here. Kevin, this is the stiff one of the week. OK, we're going to get right now. Who better to sponsor this, Kevin, than our friends at Blue Chew now, Kevin, the 90s when the action was done in the ring? I would imagine that some of the boys could use some help with the action in their hotel rooms. OK, but what choice did you have back then? Huh? What? What could have done a run in for you and got a young worker going in the hotel room once once youth was gone, you were f**ked. That was it. I mean, Baron Michael Scicluna. Circa 1979, after an Allentown taping, maybe a young lady's misfortune enough to find herself in the baron's room and maybe, maybe the baron needs a little help. Well, listen. This week, the stiff one of the week is brought to you by Blue Cross and Blue Chew is the answer to this question that I propose. Okay. The temperatures aren't the only thing rising this summer, Kevin. Guys, confidence will take you far in life, but it could also help you in the bedroom, especially when it comes time to step up to the plate. Baron Michael, the ghost of Baron Michael sitting beside me, as I say, that's that's where Blue Chu comes in. Blue Chu is a unique online service that delivers the same active ingredients as Viagra and Cialis, but in chewable tablets and at a fraction of the cost, you could take him any time, day or night so you can plan ahead or be ready whenever an opportunity arises. The process is simple. Sign up at Blue TrueCar.com. You consult with one of their licensed medical providers, and once you're approved, you will receive your prescription within days. The best part? It's all online, Kev. 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It might be someone else who went stiff on another worker, and I'd like you to expand and and give you a reaction. So this week's you actually mentioned in our little preview for any fans that watched the preview episode. They heard you reference this clip from Mr. Matt Bourne. Let's see this. The day I don't know what you're talking about have shown to show you the clip from our show, here's our show. This is when I should have never been broken in. This is the one I heard a guy that's really a name become a name in the wrestling business in the last 15 20 years. Obviously, not your dentist. He used that F-word in an interview that I saw him do in reaction to a flare thing, and he used that word and I was watching him. I watched this and I said, f**k you all, should it. I said I made the wrestling business rather because if you would have, and it would have been done right. You, that word would never came out of your mouth in that context. So Kevin Nash, you don't belong in the wrestling business. Should've never broke into your big man. You think you're frickin all that, but you ain't and you shouldn't. Bottom line you should have never been allowed to break in the wrestling business just because of that one thing. You used that word fake. Because I'm not fake. I'm not fake. My father wasn't fake. And I know a lot of lot of guys out there that those are fighting. You see a big change what you are, what what's instead or exposure. All those are still fighting words to me. Oh, you know what? I didn't realize at the time, nor did you share when we were on set together, but this happened in a hot tub. Yeah, I mean, the start of this conversation happened in a hot. No. Come on. You know, it's it's like a guy's. It actually is so well dated, you know, because it's kind of it's just kind of fits right in with the narrative of today. Guess what, man? Copperfield doesn't make the Statue of Liberty if I could disappear. It's it is what it is now. Do I wake up every morning? And I mean, I went to an acupuncturist today and she actually bloodletting me. She f**king took blood out of my ear. She took blood out of different areas of my body because like my chakras are, you know, I mean, so I mean, I'm doing everything and anything. I'm in so much pain. And, you know, but as I as I said, my career early and often the only things that are real in this business or the money in the miles, and that's it, was that a Lou Albano quote asked me that on a show recently, and I thought it was an L.A. quote. All right. He was also very good at me. I say back in the day, I say, how how long was it at the Poughkeepsie and say, I got quite a vodka? I we go by my house, we went by a bucket truck as I have. Good for you. I would have loved to have known Lou, who has never, never, never got to me. We got him, so we got him so pissed off. One night we were in Providence and it was me and Shawn Michaels, and he was. Managing that, the head shirkers and. Every time we would go over with, we'd crotch chop him and say, Hey, Lou, help on a pipe job. What a pipe job. And I mean, just my God, we're in the wrong company that might get you the trouble. How about a pipe job? How about a pipe job? You know, just so finally, we go to the finish and talk and Chantix the slingshot, and he does the slaughter. Pat Patterson Madison Square Garden zipper job. I mean, but he does it. He he hardaway's himself and the bus himself wide open on his forehead. So we're in the back and they're trying to get the blood to stop and they're trying to hold Lou back. And Lou's got like this little, you know, pocket knife. He wants to kill us. And he said, what are you going to say now this war? I want to pipe job and this is to say we didn't, we didn't get killed, but that was that was my only run of where I later on. I said, Do I said, we're just messing with you? He said what the people could hear like. I want to see listen, these guys, Matt Bourne, Lou Albano kayfabe was it was a real thing, man. And thank you, by the way, for getting Papazian and pipe job in in the same story. So we're going to jump right now to because Florida or Dirty Jersey, we are separated on the East Coast by many miles, Kevin. Florida's an interesting state and I wasn't a jersey, has its share of moments as well, so I thought I would read you two headlines I'd like you to try to pick, which is a real headline from a New Jersey incident and which is a real headline from Florida. OK, because Florida or Dirty Jersey cue the music. I'm kidding. There's no music me. So the first one is face eating attack lasted 18 agonizing minutes. That's the first headline. Face eating attack lasted 18 agonizing minutes. The other headline man named Bacon arrested for fight over sausage. I'm going to go the first one because I think Florida had that, that flesh eating situation about 12, 15 years ago. So I'm going to say that was Florida man. And then, of course, I'll have to go to the second one was it was jersey. You are absolutely correct. Let's bring this up the face. Yes, yes. Miami, there it is. Yes. Apparently, this is, I think, a bath salt. It's an import. I remember that it was best here. It says we only see him close the shave function thing. Rudy Eugene, who authorities may choose but authorities suspect may have been high on a dangerous new street drug known as bath salts, had to be shot four times by a police officer to halt the cannibalistic attack. The victim was Ronald Popo, 65. He was in critical condition and 75 percent of his face was devoured by Mr. Eugene. So if that wasn't an advertisement for that, those new bath salts. I don't know what was. Now let's just get to Mr. Bacon here, too, because this was too good to pass up man named Bacon. Arrested over fight over sausage, according to police in New Jersey man named Thomas Bacon. For any of you, you thought that it was in any anyway, Francis Bacon, the painter was not has been charged with assault after beat up a man because of some sausage. It's not clear how the two men are linked. Why Bacon's temper was brought to such a sizzle. So that's it. If someone relies on you financially, your spouse, your child, anyone. Life insurance gives you the peace of mind that they'll have a financial cushion if something ever happens to you. By making it easy to compare your options from top companies, Goliath Life helps make sure you're not paying a penny more than you have to for the life insurance coverage you need to protect those you love. At Goliath Life dot com, you can compare personalized quotes from top companies to find your lowest price. The process is fast and easy, with no hidden fees, up cells or hassles. Goliath Life is your one stop shop to find the life insurance you need at the right price. Head to Goliath Life dot com to get your free life insurance quotes and see how much you can save. That's Goliath Life dot com. So that was that. And this is the. This is the Scott Hall episode, so I actually brought my cup down. I did see that. Is that Scott on it or is it you, the Scott? That's Scott. Okay? And there it is. Okay, I can see. Are you on the back when you turn? Or maybe the fans get to choose there? No. OK. Just interview. Excellent. So, you know, we went back and forth that should tell everybody about we knew the first episode was going to be Scott since since he passed away. And I think you actually texted me from the service that, you know, you wanted to do something for him. And that was, of course, fun. And we went back and forth with guests and said, we want to have people come on and tell their remembrances of it. But you said to me, Can't. Can I just talk about Scott? So I said, of course, that's that's that's what it should be, then this was this was your idea and I was actually when we first talked about the show, this iteration of the show, not the 2017 18, 19 or 20 iteration of the show. I said to you, Well, first first episode has to be has to be your boys, right? And you're like, well, you didn't hear said no. We sat on Scott's Scott's in a bad way. This was a few months ago, obviously, but it was, I guess it was a fast road downhill. We'll get to that. But I want to go back to your time with him. You know, he had WWE tryouts. I didn't realize this in 87 and 90. 91 was a dark match on on challenge. Did you ever talk about that with you? Ever say why he didn't get signed or no? No. It's funny because. She didn't. I mean, I know his past, and I think, you know, the kind of specific stories that he would tell. But Scott was Scott's like me, scarcely that one of those guys would just sit in the car. They, you know, were two-foot, were too busy having fun and talking about s**t that's going on or talking about what we're doing at the present time, too. You know, I mean, I think early. I want to thank Scott, and I started traveling together in 91 whenever Diamond Stud and Oz were both on that super. Whatever the hell that thing was from St. Petersburg, it was 91, 91 that we and we started driving. I had a Cadillac, Centerville Cadillac and I picked up Scott when we went to Macon TV shortly. That I think was like the week after that, that pay per view and we went to making TV together. That was the infamous time where he was driving down, and back then it was funny 'cause me and him both used to wear those bike coaching shorts that the coaches used to wear. Remember those things? Yeah, but the highways and because they were great because you could wear them, but you could train in them too. You know, you get a couple of days wear black when you could get three days out of a museum on a summer road. So we're going down to Macon, and he reaches, he says, marriage, you know, change the the the radio. I said no, and he reaches across and changed the radio, then rubs his hand across my knee. And he does like two or three times, and I'm thinking like the final, I looked over him, he just busted out laughing, said managers at that. You're just going to let me go all the way and I should do that as we try to pull the car over and like. And that was like, we really didn't even know each other. And that was kind of like, ah, you know, like from then, I mean, I was just like, OK, like we, we get it. So. But it's funny. Like when I met Scott, there was like there was a guys that drank. And then, you know, it didn't train the guys that smoked weed and train, and Scott and I were were the smokers and went to the gym we didn't like. Like for the first couple of years of my life in the wrestling business, I didn't have beer at my house. You know, there'd be a bottle of wine here and there, but I mean, I didn't drink beer. And then as time went on, Oh OK, I guess, I mean, you know, 93 was was that there was a big turn around where they made it a fine and termination to smoke cannabis. And. So, but it was okay to eat pills and drink so. Right. But so now the order of you guys coming together, the click it would have been shown in in 88 with with Marty, right from from the AWB and then right Scott ninety two. He does diamond studded WCW and then 92, he's in WWE. You were 93. Uh huh.. Hawke was 93 two, but after you, I think, yeah, we're we're we're real close. And then obviously, Hunter was like 95 or something, but. So how long after you guys come in? Well, you come in in 93, Scott's already there. How long after that do you start traveling with him? The first, my first road trip. I believe when I first came, I went, saw events. I watched events this house and I met everybody and met Pat Patterson and met JJ and Prichard. There were nowhere else sitting around the pool. And, you know, basically they just said, hey, you know, you're going to go to Albany tonight, you're going to be with Shawn Michaels, you're going to screw Marty Jannetty and he's going to become the icy champ and you're going to take in the next thing. I always have a car on my way to Albany and in some track suit that I end up where for like three or four days. But we did that roar. Then the next week, when I came back to start like the 23 day tour. Scott was with us and Scott and. Was was not working was with Sean at the time. So the three of us were together and then eventually Sean got away from Marty and went into the to the Scott with with Scott the Raymond angle. And God, I mean, the three of us between. Razer Diesel and Shawn Michaels, the three of us worked for that icy belt for probably two years. One of us having it and either me on the outside or Shawn on the outside or so when you were doing the body, when you were doing the bodyguard thing with Shawn and he was working, Scott, were you still traveling together even though you were involved in that angle? Oh yeah. So there was no. Starring Matt Bourne, there was no there was no moratorium on babyfaces and heels. There was but Shawn Michaels, I mean, basically it got called into the office and they told Sean that, you know? He couldn't ride, and he said, motherf**k, if I'm going to be on the road for 320 this year or whatever the f**k, I'm going to spend my time with. Oh, so they did address it. Yeah, it was addressed. Was it Vince? Yep. Right. So that could have been the first was that the first power there was that the first the first missive sent from the click that you can't tell us who to ride with. There would be many impromptu meetings with Vince and the click after that, but was that the first one? Maybe. I wasn't I mean. I wasn't there for the media. You know, it was between Vince and Sean, and but he was representing you guys. Yeah. I mean, it was the right where we always left the building. And we put a rule like Scott would put a pillowcase over his head in the back seat and they go razor, razor, razor. And later on it was the kid that was like, you know, my kid was working with with Scott. I'm not the kid. How would he leave the gold on like he'd have this matter? No, it was just it was just there for it was just to piss the guys off. You know, the guys like, I look at them. Remember, one time we were overseas and bam, bam got up front. We got back, we were in Newark, had some meeting for, you know, television probably. I think we were in White Plains and. He said, know him, it's really killing us, you know that. The click is all getting on the same bus, and they're not getting on heel and babyface buses that clicks just, you know, breaking kayfabe and getting on the same bus. Scott stood up and he goes. Like you said, because, you know, if people are following us from town to town, as Sky gets up and goes, Hey, dumb, f**k is there following us from time to time, I mean, just seeing the same f**king match every night. So I think they know it's a work be they know we're f**king buddies, because when we get back, that same group of marks are following us to the next hotel, to the bar and seeing the five of us drink while four of us piled drink. But, you know, hanging around the party, and that's it. It's, you know, this guy was like a maverick. And that was another one of those things where they just kind of just went like. So did the office say anything about you guys being together at the bars afterwards? No, no. What was your best match against Scott? Again, Scott. I thought we had a hell of a match psychology wise at Halloween Havoc. When he was was doing the drinking angle. I thought we had I think psychology was I thought that's a pretty strong story. Does that leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth when they they brought that stuff on camera? You know, he wasn't as he had actually like, came back from rehab. It was portrayed like Eric was taking advantage of it. But Scott was totally cool. That guy was at the time he threw up on Eric was that was pea green soup in his mouth. And, you know, they just they. That was one of the things that the individual was, you know, that kind of made it so successful was it did blur the lines. Mm-Hmm. And that definitely, you know, that I remember one of the things when they were going to fire Scott for free alcohol abuse, and I had that Hales shirt and had last call with Scott Hall and it had a picture of a martini gla*s. With the toothpick through the dialogue, and they were going to merchandise that they never put it out, but I had one and that was that they couldn't. They had to end up paying him his money, right? You know, remember they were going to fire him. He was working, said, and I for some reason I wasn't at the pay per view figure, faked a heart attack some and. Anyway, I supposed to do a job for the giant, and he worked for Sid, and I said to him, I said, Here's the deal, and Ben Waa called me, and he said he had overheard that they were going to fire Scott. So I said, Thanks, man. So I got a hold of Scott, and I said, Whatever you do when you take the powerbomb, you got to leave on a backboard. And he said, All right, man. Then he left on the backboard and he didn't fire him. Hmm. So. Did you know when I think about the. The click stories and like the power play with events like that, where was that meeting Indianapolis or something, where where he actually got on a f**king plane, you made him get on a plane? No, we have hear your grievances. We. That's the whole thing. But I think we had a meeting with Vince in a locker room somewhere. And he got us all in the locker room, we walked in and he goes, you know, in advance is a good he's a great worker. He walked in because we asked you guys f**king something right now. What's to do with this f**king click? And we just kind of said like, Oh, f**k this, we're going to like this is a different tone that he's ever taken. It goes because g*****n it. I want in. And we all looked at the lab because we said that you love the business man you're in. And he said be basically kind of told, just like you guys are busting your ass, you're coming up with because we did just come up with s**t for ourselves, we came up with s**t, whether for other guys to. And Pat, it patent vents were bucket. It wasn't like there was a bunch of writers. But was there not an element of that, that kind of rebel spirit where you had the strength in numbers, so you could basically you controlled the House and the Senate? If one of you guys was not happy with something, you guys all kind of got on the same page. And if Vince had no choice but to change direction or a decision because it wasn't going to affect, well, yes, Jim Gordon, he just fired everybody and find them fired everybody. And that's what done. That's episode five. That's the upshot of that. I heard, I heard that f**king. I heard him talking about the. Curtain call. You know, you had, right? Well, what he said he didn't say he'd fire everybody because you were leaving already. You insisted he couldn't. He couldn't fire us, but he wouldn't pay you. He wouldn't have given you your your pay. Yeah, he'll pay off. Yeah, my whole thing is this. So if you've ever watched that, that that the thing in its entirety. I take the super kick. I sell it. Sean walks out of the cage, touches the floor, and he comes back in. And. I'm still selling it. She bends over like smacks me around. I think he bends down to kiss me on the forehead. I still sell. I'm still selling the super kick down comes Scott and Paul. I'm still selling the super kick. They get me to my feet. I staggered to the corner. I'm still selling. Mm-Hmm. Because I mean, I'm just breaking kayfabe like a motherf**ker is. I sell my way to the corner. That's why the first hug, when you see that photograph, we're all in that f**kin turnbuckle because I was using the turnbuckle to keep myself up. We weren't trying to f**king destroy the business. We were trying to show everybody that it was. If it would have been a work, I would have f**king jumped up and f**king done it. It's entertainment. I mean, like he does think before you open your mouth, look at it and, you know, and he will now. And I didn't like Kornet you. I didn't think he was there, you mean? Yeah, I didn't like Kornet. I didn't like him until we got to TNA. It means, of course, that would be in a room and these guys would be laying the s**t out and hit him and at the same time would be like, Whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Thought a big fight and sense, I looked at myself, I said, Oh my God, I said, When you? As you get older, like you're your psychology and you're like, there's so many things that change and how you looked at the business. But, you know, Kornet smart. I mean, it's I mean, you know, he's he's a smart guy. He knows he does know the business, but he knows it. He can't book a territory. Nor can I book a territory, but I put us together with with, you know, a couple of other with with Sean and a couple of other people. Yeah, we could. We could definitely do some some damage. You have a ride with Jim. No, he was never invited into the. I know that Sean Waltman went to a pet store, get a bunch of frogs and put them in his jacket and slammed the jacket against a brick wall about 20 times. And so he was a fan. Also, I guess he was if he was a huge fan, huge, well, loved the click when did. But when did when did Park start riding with you? And so we were in El Paso City, El Paso. And. They had shaved kids eyebrows. Oh yeah, it was I think Henning did it, but somehow Bart and Billy got got got the heat. And you know, the horrible thing about getting their eyebrows shaved was the next morning you wake up and it's like, Do you leave the wanted? You shave them both. And everybody shaves the other one to balance it out. Now you look like f**king Frankenstein. And of course, kids, we have like photos the next day. Oh yeah, I was going to say there are like publicized pictures and the kind of help draw them on. Before I saw a shot, I texted him one night I came across like a fan, posted a thing and I said, Well, what happened to the eyebrows? Like, You know, damn well, what happened to the eyebrows? I was like, Why didn't you draw them for the photo before the photo shoot? Get some eyeliner or some s**t. So we go to we to El Paso City and the smoking guns are going out and kid, they put they put their hats on the top of this like rack. Kid takes super glue, it puts it around the inside rim of the other cowboy hats. They put their cowboy hats on. They go down. Good out of the ring, they go in the corners, they shoot the little cap guns, black guns, whatever the hell they have, they go to pull the hats off like this. And. Kids, you know, kids just sitting there looking through the the curtain and he looks over to us, he goes. Because schools. And Viking walks, walks by us. And I said I looked at I looked at the other two guys, I said, like, I said, f**k that, I said, number one, he needs protection. Number two, that's bad a*s as f**k. He's got to drive with us. So that was it. That's what did it. That did it, man. That was just like, what a ballsy f**king, you know? You know, the only thing that could have been better than riding with the click at the time is is riding with the click and having the peace of mind of having car shield. Kevin, because it makes it easy and affordable to protect my car from expensive repairs. And that's just for starters, Car Shield is the number one auto protection company in the U.S., and it offers protection plans for around 100 bucks a month. The plan covers more parts than ever before, whether your car has 5000 miles or 150000 miles. Let me tell you how simple it is to get your car fixed when you need a repair. You choose the mechanic and the car shields. Administrators handle the rest. That's it. 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A deductible may apply. Thank you. Car Shield You know you guys, you guys put major miles on. The only thing that was real was the money in the miles and car shield would have helped you with that. Well, we had Lowell Albano only live long enough for a little physical action. Now you guys, let me get back to Scott for a minute here. Now, Scott's iterations of characters through the years. He's in Florida. Is he trained by Dusty? I know he starts in Florida. So who trained Scott Matsuda? Oh, it was. Yeah. OK. He's out of there by 85, though records, I think he's in a way at 85. He was in Kansas City too. Oh, that's true in between both. I think it was in Kansas City does. That was guy goal. And yeah, and then he goes to some Minneapolis big Scott Hall. Now does this do you ever talk about Vern with you and any valuable Verne stories? I mean, some of the things that he would would bring up with Zeke. I know that he won like a battle royal or something like that. And I guess the prize was some giant truck or some s**t, some pickup truck. But I remember like, they did it like, you know, the Metrodome or wherever the hell they did it at, and Scott ended up like. Having a cinderblock like get the crowd all fired up, I guess you f**king threw the cinder block through the window, the truck or some s**t. I mean, I remember one of my favorite stories is. Marty, Jannetty, the trash, a hotel room, and somehow Scott got that got blamed. And he got called in and they deducted money out of his out of his cheque and told me no one more time he just gets sent home, and so he got to the building and Marty was asleep on a training table. And I guess Scott just I mean. I beat the dog s**t out of them. Hmm. So that was it, Scott, I always say, like, you know, maybe I might not be the toughest guy, but sooner or later, I get you when you're sleeping. Do did that carry over to WWE when they were together? I you know what I think is one of those things where I think Marty Marder's is one of those guys, man. When he f**ked up and he knew it, he just. Like, I think he took his medicine and just said, f**k it, right? OK. So there was never any heat that you knew of that. No, that carried over there because it wasn't fake, right? So did you ever hear that there were plans for Scott? To replace Hogan for four, Vern, did he want to give him a long term heavyweight title run? Yeah, I mean, I know that that was, you know, that said, Scott was kind of being groomed for that. But the other thing was Scott was Scott. Well, it was, you know, while they will be having that conversation, Scott would be, you know, working in Puerto Rico, trying to get to all Japan. But he was always working here, too to get something he loved. He loved working in Japan. And I remember like when the before he left to go to WCW in 93 '96. I mean. He went into events and he said, you know, if you can't give me more money, can I can I work a couple of weeks in Japan? And Ben said No. As soon as you get over there, I'll need you here. And that was one of the things that Scott always Scott always wanted that we both and I loved going over to Japan, you know, so it one thing Scott and I both the. It wasn't difficult over there with with the the schedule because you were bused everywhere. Right? Yeah, those those rides were a little hellacious now. Or did they book you all near? No, I mean, there were some, there were some, some long rides and you know. It was, but it was just it was just so different. It was one of those. It was I don't think I ever read more books. In my life and on a tour in Japan, like I would just I would devour, like a book a day. You know, I could just. Remember, once I was in Okinawa and it was raining, it was in that I got we get we had a good afternoon show. I got to the hotel and I was reading the the what the Manson book Helter Skelter. Yeah, and I just got myself all worked up. You know, in this little, you know, in a room that I could basically touch my feet, my arms at the same time, you know, it was like a seven by seven room where the. If you open the door, the s**tter, the shower and everything is and you learn to take the toilet paper out of there because you, you s**t shower that it's just a plastic shell that you know this little three by three. Oh, just. Lovely. I don't know. I don't know why we loved it so much, I guess, because we love torture. Yeah, well, the the different environment, the fans, the fans were very respectful, of course, right? And the thing is to win every time I've ever been in Japan, like the minute I get there, it's like somebody put Hispanics underneath my tongue. You know, just like. You're able to just chill noises from the state when you get into. Yeah, you just it's just chill. You know, nobody's yelling at you, nobody's an a*****e. When he goes to when Scott leaves AWB, I think he does. Do Japan and then then comes to WCW. Right, this is the diamond stud and DDP and everything. Who does he credit with the toothpick gimmick, I'm sure he told me on air somewhere, I don't remember half of Dallas, I think because him in Dallas were both going to bring the toothpicks up and Dallas fumble f**ked his before. And so it ended up Scott being the only one that threw the toothpick. OK. Yeah, but Dallas gave him the whole look. You know. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it does. There's still. Another diamond mine times with with with the New Vegas, with our friend Vinny Vegas. Yes. And Raven, well, what was it, Scotty Flamingo writing at the time? What was what was that for a vibe? Like, how come that wasn't the click? How come Raven wasn't wasn't part of this deal? I mean, tough, too hard to keep up with them with all this trivia. Well, out of Atlanta, Raven DDP and I travel a lot. I got you. I got I got along great with Scotty. And I mean, I think Scott Scott believe he's a genius. He's a brilliant guy. Not only you can't put him over like that, he's going to believe it and he's going to repeat it. He knows I love him. Sorry. So let's get up to WWE now, so you were here. 93. He becomes AC champ for the first time, I think. Mm-Hmm. And so like we talked about before you do in the Michaels diesel and and and and and Scott thing, did you know it's from an outsider's perspective? Let me just give you my take. It's very easy to watch a match and know who's a wrestler. Okay, you go to these Indy shows where you get a VFW hall, even if you get a guy in there who's maybe who worked underneath a couple of the federations. He just moves differently in the ring. He moves like a wrestler. I don't know if it's a confidence or something or the training, but they move. They fall, they walk. They just move differently now. I think when you do, you do the prototypical what a wrestler should look like. I think Scott was there at the perfect time because, you know, the steroid stuff was happening in the big bodies weren't going to be more going to be OK anymore, right? They weren't going to tolerate, you know, or they couldn't tolerate publicly, you know, the whole the barbarian type look. So here's a guy like Scott moves great, can work different styles. I mean, this is a guy that's like a laboratory wrestler from 1992. This is what you want your guy to look like, right? How far did you think Scott could have gone? I. Without a doubt, he's he's probably one of the five most talented wrestlers, so I'll put him. I mean, to put Scott Hall in your Mount Rushmore is not because you lost your friend. I mean, I've touched with everybody, all the Hall of Fame, guys, and there's nobody better than Scott Hall. Nobody guy could wrestle Scott and punch and kick Scott and babyface Scotty or heel. I mean, he's a great tag wrestler. Scott was that Scott was he was the total package mask. Now he pitches the razor thing as as is the the popular story. I mean, he pitches the razor thing to Pat and Vince. They go for, you know, barring the Scarface accent in that whole thing and all the little one liners from the film bad guy and all that. Did he tire of that, though? Did he want to break out of that or was he OK? Had he not left them become Scott Hall again? Would he have been OK being Razor Ramon for 20 years? Yeah. Because I think towards the end, I think that that. She was less Razor Ramon and more Scott Hall. But the thing was that he was it was so convincing that, I mean, people would every time we go some place where people would, you know, anybody of Latin or Spanish to see them, they would always speak Spanish if I could. Scott scrabbling for Oh, really? Oh yeah, always, man. Everybody thought he was Cuban. I took like, No, dude, I'm from Baltimore. Hmm. Is it true? He asked Tito Santana for a name that started with an R so that he could put it with Razor, and Tito gave him Ramone. I don't. I heard that somewhere in enough. It's true. I don't know. I don't know. I'll call Tito and find out. He'll probably want to be paid for that answer, though. Arriba. So when you guys leave and you do the big jump, right? It's pitched in the shower, yes. Now he tells me he's leaving, and I think we're the locker room, the shower or something, right? I mean, yeah, and I want to think that the. We're in West Virginia because he he gives me like, I'm gone and the like, you know, he tells me the numbers and I'm like, Wow, and the 180 days. Well, like. But, you know, I'm on top and, you know, I was still on top when, you know, when when Brett wouldn't take the powerbomb. Is that in your house in Louisville? I walked in, I walked into the locker room, where was the shower again? And I just looked and I said, f**k, I'm Jordan. Well, maybe that's what it was in the shower. Okay, when you decided to go right where we were in the shower, the other was that was that was that really the the determining factor for like the last straw for you? Yeah, because it was. I love Brett. You know, but I mean, my my first pay per view, like I watch, I, you know, I watched them when they were. I always like to watch how people handle, when they put, when they make somebody a champion for the first time. And that hangman became a champion for A.W.. So. You know, I watched CBS because basketball saw their TNT and s**t, and I see where they're going to have Brian Daniels fight him. So, Mike, oh, f**k, man, like this, like they're going to go with this guy like, you know, it's it brides are going to put. They went like, f**k in a draw. Mm hmm. And I said, Oh, Royal Rumble. f**king the f**king match I had with Brett with 29 run ins. It's like my first f**king title defense is a f**king draw. Like, wow, way, way, way to put St.. Where, where, where to put the f**king bank behind me? Nice try by nine shares. f**k you. So, so but what was the I mean, the days certainly would be after, you know, being on the the the hamster wheel of the WWE, I'm sure the days the number of days that WCW required was a huge factor, right? Yeah. Well, my guess the year. I mean, you have to realize to my my wife is, I believe, January six, my son is born. I mean, I'm sorry, I leave June six. My son is born June the 12th. Hmm. I do one night I do that by my opening Nitro. I come home and my son's born. Hmm. And I mean to to have even though I was still gone a s**tload to have half of the time I had extra with my son was f**king give away. You couldn't play. You couldn't put a price on just that, let alone knowing exactly how much you were going to get every two weeks. So you could eh, pay your bills be actually. Lo and behold, set up with a financial adviser and start putting together a portfolio. That's something predictable and dependable like that, yeah. You know, it was like having a real f**kin job and it was your first deal. A three year deal was like 800 900 or something like that that it. I mean, we we renegotiated f**kin about as often as I took a s**t. And it seemed like, oh, focus renegotiate, but as soon as they as soon as Jim Ross, man of God, the God bless you, Jim, as soon as you f**king said, you know that razor and diesel were coming back. Thank you, my f**king pager ring. With a 404 and nine one one, and next thing you know, I'm calling, they're telling me to get on a f**king private plane. Meet me with Lambros and Bischoff and what the f**k's going on. You guys got more money, sure, he'll take more money, yeah, more money. Longer term, Sheriff John Barry went in and got another deal for us. Barry Bloom Yeah. Yeah, Barry got another deal. And when did he start negotiating for you guys? Was it at the beginning? You at the beginning? Yeah, there was a lot of you. There was no negotiating with with with Vince. Your contract was you were guaranteed 10 days of 150 bucks. If $1500 a year guarantee. So and Barry was represented all you guys. Yeah. Barry, when Bill came in, we got, you know, we got Bill to Barry and we brought everybody to bear. Paul was all the W, the father. He wouldn't do business with him. They would negotiate with him. When you walk out, when you leave and you do WCW, what's the first time that you're in Vince's company again? I see him in Newark Airport. No kidding. Yeah. What chance meeting? Yeah. And it was it was. I mean, I've always gotten along with that. I've never had. I've never had words with Vance. I've never been pissed off at Barnes. I've been disappointed a couple of times with decisions that didn't go the way that I thought they should have or things. But as far as Vince McMahon, the man? I'm just he's a f**king he's it and he's a man. You know, he's not some b***h. You know, when you left for, but when you left for more money, he wasn't he wasn't sorry about it. He understood, you know. I mean, he was I'm sure he was sore, but I mean, it was just like, because I said, Come on, man, just massive. f**k him off or else I want to stay wasn't like, f**k you. I was like, Man, I just psyched. I got a kid. Come on. Yeah. And was it though? It was the money he couldn't match? Or was it the disease or was it? It wasn't even that he couldn't match the money? He just knew that if he did it for me, he was going to have to do it for that whole locker room, and he couldn't financially do that at that time. You know, so we just like. So what happens in Newark when you see? We just saw each other, we hugged, talked for a little bit. Yeah. We went out, you know, I went my way, he went his butt. Your time in TNA with Scott was. Wasn't as do you look back at as fondly as the time you were together in WCW and nothing, nothing would touch what we did together. And. In WCW, I mean, it was because we went in, we were. We were Butch and Sundance, we were poncho, we were poncho and lefty, I mean, it was just it was the two of us against everybody. And you know, when you get when you when you get that much heat on the babyfaces, week in and week out and they're all in, they're f**king pissing and moaning. You're not exactly. And then Scott and I would have this and it wasn't like even on purpose. It was just something that we would say and like the guys would be talking about, you know, different should we be like, well, when we were in New York? And ever one time we were in Minneapolis. And Sting was in the locker room next to us. And I would say he was talking to Lex, and I had heard Steve say. If I hear them, motherf**kers say, well, we were in New York one more time, and if was like the fiber board that you can move it. And I thought I heard that. So. Steve, is I mean, me and Steve have been friends since. You know, he tried to save me from. I was going to get fired rounds, eyes and he he was trying to save me. But then I think Dusty got fired before I got fired. So. But is when you get to TNA to. Well, you know, I was reading, what's his name? Duff McKagan Sport from Guns n' roses, right? And that was a band that partied hard across the board. All of them. Right? And so when you're on the party train, everyone's having a good time. And then what starts to happen? One or maybe two of the members of the band, a start to start to slip more than the others. So like in this example, in Duff's book, I mean, he was partying pretty hard, but then like Steven Adler was, I think, the first one who they were realizing wasn't going to be able to see it. To continue at that at that pace. Was there a time where when you guys were on the party train, you and Sean and Sean and and Scott, where Scott became more of a concern for you than the others? Yeah, I mean, and that was towards even towards the end of the WCW run, and then we went into. The end of your run with WWE and. A lot of people don't know this, you know, people always ask. I think it was WrestleMania 18. Whenever Scott worked against Austin. But people say, why didn't you have a match? And I'm like, well, the original finish up until Sunday was Scott and I were going to f**k Steve. And then Rock was going to go over on Hogan that we're you. We were going to come down and get heat on rock and leave WrestleMania with heat, which would be the first time, I think in the history of of WrestleMania that you know, that somebody would leave with heat. And in 24 hours, it went from. Beat me and Scott M. Scott going down, getting beat up by rock and roll and pretty much getting f**ked and. By the time we we got showered, I mean, I I couldn't even stay up with Scott, and then when we got into the the hotel, he didn't even go upstairs. He just went right to the bar and he'd been sober for six seven months at that time. And it just made my heart just f**king fill my stomach, I said. And. Was I supposed to say, you know? Well, that's you know, you're in a precarious position, you know, being a friend, but also having been. Having been a partner to to so much of that lifestyle while you guys were I mean, that was the party was part of the story of the click. Was it not like, could you tell the story of the click without the 32 versus 33 Samoas, which was a story that we all laughed about, and I laughed with Scott on camera about which you look back and maybe. Maybe it has a different tone now. I don't know, but that was part of the story. Yeah. You know what? It's got to be the first one because he's so is, you know, the Mickey, the famous Mickey mantle. I, you know, I've known I was going to live this long and I take better care of myself. Has just, you know, I was that was Scott, and. I knew. The thing that just was was so f**king just was breaking my heart was I knew that. Mentally, I think I'm I think I'm pretty f**king strong. And the COVID thing was really f**king with me, like the what the the bottle of wine and night was, you know, I'd take out the f**king recycle it had to put a weight belt on. I mean, f**k, you know, I was, you know, I'm thinking. And the thing with Scott is when when Scott's good f**king if I call Scott at two o'clock in the morning, Matt is like, Hello. And all of a sudden, it was like never, never getting, you know, always did I get a text back and then, you know, two or three months go by and. The Texas wouldn't make sense. And I tell him I'd love him and hang in there and. You know, they just were you talking on the phone at all or what we were talking, I was trying to. Yeah. So now his prior to COVID. Years ago, his his divorce, I think, was was a tough one of the precipitating factors. Oh, blame it on one thing, but. That was a mountain for him to get over right? Yeah, I think. You know, Scuds didn't have a shot at a very. Didn't have a relationship with his father, and I remember his father was in Colorado Springs, I think his father was a career military guy. He was a pilot. And you know, Scott was, you know, this is his father was dying and Scott. You know, wants to be at his bedside and. There was a, you know, there was no closure, no nothing there, and I know that that was like a f**king. I think that if you have in your life, if you have a relationship with anybody. And is it's, you know, frayed, severed, whatever you want to say to you and you're hoping you can put this, put it together before, you know, time doesn't allow you to. And what about with Cody? Was it how did they have an on again, off again Cody's? Cody's Cody's just Cody Scott's kid man, you know? He's sick, he's he's he's f**king manic, he's pigheaded, he just. And, you know, Scott Wood was really there was a there was a time where, you know. I'm so glad that my son didn't get in the business. You know, I think that that's it's that that would have been so difficult. You know, I'm so glad that he's a musician and I can, you know, he can come downstairs and play guitar, and I could just look and and off because I can't f**king, you know, I'm not I'm not musically inclined, right? He's got his own fact. Yeah. And I think that that's I think that's one thing that that's that's. You know, when you're trying to follow your father's foot, you know, your father's footsteps, and especially when when Scott's so f**king good and he's telling you what you should do to become successful and you're kind of, you know, balking at his. Now, this tutelage is kind of like. And they just kind of went their separate ways, and I think I know what it always say that Scott. And I know now in retrospect, you know, you know, talking to Cody since his father passed. It's just. I think he realizes, you know. That. I think the because what people probably don't know, the the the the kind of the breakdown of. But what happened as far as Scott passing and the timeline, but. Scott had. Was, you know, locked down. It was in a little little duplex, I lived in New Smyrna. We're smart. I think it is Smyrna, Georgia, but it's over by with a brave stadium is and. Scott was getting Grubhub and, you know, his some Chinese takeout place that would bring him vodka. Rachel Mitchell, this was like, you know. And. He. Was making some Kool-Aid. And we put the the plastic pitcher up to the refrigerator and that ice went in it. But a couple of the pieces of ice, as always, bounced out and landed on the floor. Mm-Hmm. They went over, stirred it. And I'm sure it was crystal light because he he always a pretty clean. And he. What's going back to get something and one of those pieces of ice caught his heel. He did the f**king oops, a daisy and f**king landed and broke his other hip. Mm hmm. And he's in the middle of his living room. I mean, the middle of his kitchen and he's he's in so much pain. He can't move. He. Tries to move several different times, you can't move. Finally, he passes out. He wakes up and now it's nighttime. So he's been he has no idea he he can see his phone where his phone is over by his recliner and in between. He's in between that and the Kool-Aid so that he ends up passing back out, wakes up. And at this point, it's just like, I'm so dehydrated. I'm going to get he's got a defibrillator and a pacemaker in his heart. He's like, I'm going to I'm, you know, I'm I'm going to, I'm going to croak about. I'll get some some fluids. So he just he turned just gutted it. And got his back to the. To the cabinet and reached up the two hands, he said, like he was picking up a Faberge egg and got that picture Kool-Aid and just drank it through the spouts by SIP. This is, you know, slowly it was like he got, you know, enough to him and he was able to just drag himself to that. He called 9-1-1 and they came and got him and they took him to the hospital. So he went to like Cornerstone Hospital, which is, you know, like a f**king to two out of, you know, two of the five star hospital. And I don't think that Scott had insurance. I know I know Scott didn't have insurance and but he needed he needed to get the hip fixed and he had some other problems and some other issues. And they did some cat scans. And, you know, he had some kind of perforation in his bowel and. As a result of the fall, I I don't know that it as a result of CT scans, and I talked to them a couple of times. On the phone. Okay. I mean, I talk to him every day when he was in the hospital because it was an actual landline that I could call. And Dallas was was was, you know, Dallas was was really a great friend in this as far as being there for Scott. And what were we going to do is? Dallas's, you got it just gotten remarried to page is, is this new wife and they had talked about it in Dallas. You know, asked, Would it be cool because Dallas is going to, you know, Dallas really, motherf**ker on Earth, like upgraded his life at 60? Yeah, he's got a big a*s f**king house. Everybody else is trying to get out of this s**t. You know, Dallas is like, f**k it. I don't have any kids. I die. f**k when they get to do so. If you turn the house into a into a production studio for your rehab show, you get to write the whole f**king thing off, don't you? Well, I mean, he's got to be. He's got a stool. He's got a hell for a while there. His studio was doing half the 80W f**king editing and everything else really f**king first kicked off. He's he's done well. So he was keep me in the loop and then, but they were going to bring. When it came time to get Scott out of the hospital, they were going to bring him to Dallas and he was going to stay in Dallas and kind of recover their. And. So I talked to Dallas, I was in Bobby Fulton has I'm sure that I was as I was, I was signing with Kurt Angle. And that was on Saturday, and I got a call Sunday morning that got him early. And it was it was Paul. And Paul said that Scott had had three heart attacks, and it was the didn't look good. And so. I tried to get a flight to Atlanta, couldn't so went back to Daytona Beach and then couldn't get a flight out of Daytona Beach. And then they were just at that point, they said that, you know, they were going to to pull the plug, and the doctor said that it would be, you know, maybe ten minutes that's got to be alive. So before they pulled the plug, we all all the click guys got on speaker phone and we all talked to him or cried basically as all we did. And. There's a few hours later, right? Yeah, yeah. So like. It was like seven hours later and. Scott was still alive. And Scott's brother. They said that the only reason Scott still alive is because. He wanted to make sure that he lived he lived long enough for Dana, Mr f**ken flight, and she couldn't convert that. But I said, f**k yeah. I said, That's my boy right there, Beth. But. Yeah. You know, he heard you guys because they do say the last thing that goes is the hearing, so. To anybody who gets that opportunity to say something, even though you think someone can't receive it. There's enough evidence that they do so, yeah, it's good that you guys did that. It is. How is Cody now? His daughter also, right? Yeah, Cassidy. Yes, I think it's I really need to call Cassie because I haven't talked to Cody and I just kind of text back and forth. I know he's got a match with Moose coming up out in California. I think South California against Moose, so I'm going to definitely touch base with him before he has that match. But he's training, you know, he's he's he's living with, you know, where Scott was living. He took over Scott's place and he's living there in Atlanta. And. Just trying to, you know, he's 30 years old now, so is that he's he's, you know, he's the age when I broke, and so it's just going to be a little bit harder for him. Yeah. So as far as coming to terms with with his relationship with Scott and stuff as he. She on a positive road with. I think I mean, I think that. You know, Shields, you don't know what you got till it's gone. I think, you know, just he just I think he realize, you know. As we all do in retrospect, the. Well, Tiger Woods says that he was a smart dude. And you had a lot of wisdom, even though he had a lot of demons, you know, he had a hell of a lot more wisdom that he had demons. How did. You know, I got to go there. How did WWE? Do with handling. Scott's passing. So close to what was the date that that Scott died was at? He passed he passed March 14th, right? When was WrestleMania? April 2nd. OK, so two weeks, about two hours. And, you know, they they wanted to do some things, and I was. I just told them, I said, be honest that, you know, you guys can do whatever you want to do. You know, there was talk about doing like a hologram thing with Scott and some other things that you guys could do, whatever you want to do. I said, I'm not. I said, I'm not going to f**king say anything negative about anybody that wants to do something for him. I said, I just. I'm not ready, you know, and I think I will leave my house for I don't even go on the road, it is s**t for a while, I mean that, you know? Too soon that f**ked me up. Yeah. It's too soon. Will there ever be another Scott Hall on such a unique, such a unique guy? A talent worked everywhere. Universally regarded as one of the great workers talkers, you know, had it all. And the thing was, too is like, he's so misunderstood, like so many people. You know, Wolf will say he was a dick. You know, he was a prick. I never saw Scott ever. Walked by a homeless person and. They're not giving money or. Really? No. Well. Well, I I just feel blessed I got to know him. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, though. There's a few of us that know Scott. Mm-Hmm. The rest of them. He didn't give a f**k, you know, f**k f**king you liked him, didn't like him. And that's the thing that's lost in all this very often. I mean, I guess you can't tell the whole story without the addiction and the story about the pills and the the good times for these shots and with with the with the. Yes. Mean, that's yeah. The PTSD of that was always used to tell Scott all the time, dude. Alcohol's not a problem. It's your solution. Problem is, which is what happened to the back of the f**king dollhouse? That's a problem. Scott's a Christian. Scott, if I can to this day, you know, I pray that, you know, there is a heaven. He just thought that he wasn't going. Did did he ever get any counseling, any knots? I mean, he had rehab. Yeah, the rehab stints. But I. You know, our generation of people that we do, we go to, we fight and get counseling. I don't know. Maybe not, but that we go in, we go in and we fight and somebody says, you get in the car, you f**king a*****e f**king person to no s**t. Where every time Scott, we go to rehab, you know, I would be like, Hey, Scott, how's rehab? f**k off drummer from holes in here. Man, what a f**kin mess. These people are f**king crazy as s**t. I think I'm not so bad at all. I thought I was f**ked up until I got here. Well, maybe that was the therapy getting better with time. Everyone to yell about the kid dropped them off like one of them. The kid dropped them off and. They are they're both booked up, and they. Scott was saying that that this is Scott Holt to Sean, they're trying to tell Bolton we have to go in and in fact, the sky was f**king hammered. And you know, the the. Whoever the f**k was the administration person who looked at me said, this is this is a nice start for you to go. Yeah, I figure this way here. Maybe I get most improved. It's set the former South. Well. That was a that we could talk all day about Scott and and we won't. But I'm glad you got some of the. Some of the real the real stuff in there, the emotion, yeah. You know, he loved me, he loved his, he loved us. He loved us, his his kids. So I think he tried the best he could to be the best father. He did. You know? He but he loved as he loved as his daughter. He loved his son. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's good to hear. It's good to hear, but and it's good to hear that you guys had had an opportunity to to talk. I mean, it just I mean, you mentioned what the precipitous downfall that COVID caused someone like Scott with the the isolation, you know, the forced isolation. And that was just the worst thing you can do if you're f**king battling demons. Exactly. That's all I can say. He's sitting there alone with all his demons and Don Quixote. Yeah, yeah. 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There's really not a lot of hurt cases. I mean, they get f**king. They get weeded out pretty damn quick. Nobody, you you have to kind of walk away from oil point, go holy, f**k all of that when talking about. Anyone really out to lunch? Well, I mean, there are some people that were just, I mean, it was just difficult to do business with because they had a perception of their character with, you know, and I mean, those kind of things, just the butting of heads of, you know. But. You know, like people would would think that I would say Bill Goldberg and I had, you know, and it was like. Bill and I look like we were. I've known Bill Goldberg since I bounced, and Bill was at the University of Georgia, and he used to go in and confetti and, you know, I used to party with him when he was in college. So it's like Bill's been my friend. It's like. You know, a year of our life was intertwined kind of in a s**tty way, and that people think that, you know, he was like he was never a head case, right? You know, he just he just was, you know, he knew what he wanted to do and he knew he was being successful in doing that and. You know, so I mean. But did he give it, did he give the OK with you ending the streak because of your because of your history? Why you? Why was it you? Oh, I don't know. I mean, I don't know why it was me. I mean, you would. You would think, you know, at one point it was because I was booking with that's been proven false. I think it's the fact that he knew that at 63 years old, as I am right now, that I would look exactly like Ed Harris on Westworld. But it's got to get some f**king lines on my face. No, I just put it this way, if Bill didn't want me to powerbomb him and he would have, I can. Just like a dead sacked my a*s. That son of a b***h, if you've ever seen me, ever watch that powerbomb, he took that thing like it, took it like a pro man. Yeah, I mean, you know. So I. At this point in my life, I have nothing but love for Bill. Justin Terry asks because wrestling has a deep tradition with handshakes. Have you ever shaken hands with someone you didn't respect? Or did you refuse to also, has anyone refuse to shake your hand? No, nobody's ever refused to shake my hand. And on top of that, the handshake thing is almost I don't think it's respectful as much as this tribal. Just kind of like the boys like, right, like, you know. And then when you broke when we broke it, it was like, you know, he'd rather rather than like slowly, guys like me got away with it all. Because that's the all the all the guys who tell you, they say, you want to f**k these guys up, man. Like, I was like three forty, but can shake their hand and just f**kin smash it and they'll think you're not smart at all. I'm working with you tonight. They're like, Oh, f**k ! Got a giant cement mixer here? Yeah. See, I'm I'm siding with Matt, born with a lot of the you guys really did smash tradition. We play the the a funny wrestler handshake story. I don't know if it if it was born out of the handshake. You can tell me where this tradition comes from. Just told the story again on Renee Dupree show Harley Race. We were working with him one time and it was snowing and he had to fly out very early for a wedding the next day to get back to Kansas City. And and I stood to look out the window and and there was just it was still snowing. And he says it better lighting up out there. This is going to cost you another grand, at which point he reaches under me from behind and tweaks my balls. I mean, I've heard of the wrestler's handshake, I was wondering if this was was part of that deal. I'm not selling it, you know, I'm standing there just kind of looking out the window going up, not still snowing Harley. And he's cackling like a like a mad man behind me. But, you know, I got to tell you one Harley race grabbed my balls. You know what else he did that night? That was amazing, Kevin. He took a bottle cap and he put it between these two fingers. Arguably the weakest fingers on the hand, right this way, like wide and then folded it in half like a clam shell and total. We were just sitting there he was. He was pounded bud lights. I was sitting next to me. We don't take on a on a voice thing and he leans over, goes, Can you do this? And I'm like Harley. Usually the answer is no, but show me a f**king folded the bottle cap everyone talks about. It's obvious how he punched folding a bottle cap in half with these two fingers. I remember one time we were he was my manager for like a year. He had me and Curtis Hughes, and. We're driving and we get lost, leaving the D.C. Armory in the D.C. Armory is like. People from the hood won't go to the D.C. Armory. So we're leaving the D.C. Armory and. Lo and behold, like I said, I see her how utterly f**ked man is. It's a one way street. The Moli going one way. I'm like Jesus son. One thing about Harley is if you were going the wrong way, at least you were going 100, so 30, 30 minutes. It's like Harley. I think we need to go east. I think it's west half hour later. You know, you're four states that son of a b***h driving 120 in a red Cadillac. So we end up pulling into Bethesda Naval Hospital. And the only reason he stopped is because there were armed guards there that actually pointed at at the vehicle. He slammed on the brakes, looks up and he goes and rolls on, he goes, I'm f**king lost. How the f**k do I get BWI and the guy's just walked over and they just turn around and it did. Thank you. I was just thinking to myself, like. We just had guns pointed at us early. I told you, like 18 minutes ago, we were going the wrong f**king way. He's hardly let you get away with it when in Harlem. Seven time real world champion. Salvator told that mother f**ker. Any time you want the Harley impression, by the way, during any story, it doesn't have to be a Harley story, you throw it at it. Yeah. Salvatore wants to know Sean and Kevin. Do you think Eric Roberts is acting coach? Feels guilty cashing Eric's checks? Well, Steph. You know what? What was that, what was the movie that he was Pope of Greenwich Village? Right? So I did D.O.A. with with with Eric Roberts. We spent 109. Maybe one hundred and ten days in f**king China together. So he's a really personable guy. And it was so great because we get there and he's supposed to be like, you know, because he did a couple of those karate movies like early in his career. His f**king hip, he can barely f**king walk, and he he's supposed to do these fight scenes, he gets there like, f**k, I can't do it when you do. f**k you. So but anyway, we we would go down to the different they we were in Gwilym and we would go down to this f**king hole in the wall, gym and train. And just take a little bit of a rickshaw, the little two seater. It was like a motorcycle with two seats in the back. We'd go to the gym and. And we spent a lot of time together, and I just asked him, I said, you know, but just ask about his career and I asked about, you know, he said, he said, you know, he said I thought I was going to get the Oscar for that movie. He said that was the big buzz was I was going to get the Oscar. He said when I didn't get the Oscar for that movie, I called my agent and I said, I'm going to f**king do everything that comes my way. I'm not going to turn down a f**king job, including a Mariah Carey video. I mean, that motherf**ker. That was the whole thing. He just said, f**k it. This is after Pope of Greenwich Village. Yes. After Pope it. He just said, f**k it, I'm going to do everything that comes my way. But he thought he was getting an Oscar for that, huh? Yeah, it's a pretty strong performance. It's it's a committed performance. It's definitely he chosen an I mean, way to go in the supporting actor. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it was it was. We got clubs. Lie, but lie and as fresh and drink, JBL sent a fan to the match with you and Shawn Michaels vs. Razer and Park, who's calling that one, it was straight up a greatest hits of all of you doing everything who's putting that match together as far as in-ring debut of the shark. Everybody, if you remember, I get f**king knocked out and I lay on the apron for like half of the match and. But they wanted this because it was the story that they wanted it told. So they, you know, they make this. They tell Scott to come over and stop me during this specific spot. So Scott comes over and stops me and then schools. Yeah, I wasn't very bright. Wake up a sleeping giant. So we watch that. We watch it back later around and sarcastic motherf**ker man told me to do that. But that was all of us service. And it was so great too, because we went out there was like the we did like a challenge or whatever it was, but it was the first Action Zone match they ever did. And so we did that match and Pat Patterson came downstairs. We did it. White Plains and Pat Patterson came downstairs and he said, Vince Vince gave you guys the rest of my life. You done? He said, No, you can't follow that. We're like, Oh, f**k sweet. Can you just one of the fans favorites of the shows we did together for kayfabe commentaries was the Pat Patterson segment. So could you maybe just give me that as Pat? Could you do the impression? Oh, giving you the. I got them in advance up early. He's a guy, you're super, you guys f**king they're up. There's a banana over, so you guys go home. Fantastic. Kyle Bowman wondering if you would ever write an autobiography of your life and wrestling career? No. That's a flat no. Just like that, huh? I mean, it's like, I mean, my whole deal is. I've lived this life. You know, it's like I've been I've been to besides Antarctica is no place on this planet. I haven't f**king Ben and I have no pictures, no nothing. What I have is. Here in my head. And. I can now, Google, search it and see how much it's changed. But as far as I'm concerned, just like every story I have to give, I tell and I. If I just did the click for three years and did that. That book Everybody is married. I mean, Paul's got three kids. She's a Christian. It's like you'd have to unearth too many skeletons. Why? For what? For money? Well, you've done a lot of other stuff you talked about being all over the world, you played basketball in Europe and smacked around the volunteers head coach. I mean, those stories alone would be valuable. Well, you have a podcast, you don't need a book where you decided, Hey, I can, I can just talk s**t on this. Exactly. Just logic. And so, you know, the coach, the coach's name was Don Devoe. Yes, Don Devoe. Yeah. And I and I just want to say that, I mean, now in retrospect, f**k you. I wish I had a punched in the f**king head and just kept coming at you. Like f**kin Tyson. Yeah, f**king plus. No remorse there, no just looking at some of the gimmicks in your early career that didn't work. Steele Oz Vegas. Was it ever discussed for you to be something that touched on your past, i.e. basketball player, athlete, soldier, bouncer? You think any of those would have worked for you back then? Let me. Vegas was kind of a bouncer. Ish. Vegas was the only one that I came up with. And that was good enough for Shawn Michaels to say, I like the New Vegas, let's take this f**ker and bring him up here. So I guess mine worked, but never about the tapping into the basketball thing or no? And the last one was not exactly one of those things. I don't think I'd f**k with that guy. You know, he does play pro basketball. Yeah, but they tried that. I understand why he's asking this because this was an era where, oh, did you Typekit players and the occupation? Yeah, every everybody was an occupation, right? Pig farmer? I always thought that the best spot would be just a gynecologist. You know, think of the f**king promos on the whole, I'm OK. Yeah, yeah, you're going to feel a little scraping when I get done with you. Seriously, the cold. I love it. Very good. Ronald will round us out here asking if you had a pre-match routine. That's interesting. This is actually this is absolutely insane. OK. Because I'm agnostic. Mm-Hmm. But I would always before. I mean, this is like right before I go to the ring, I would do 12 Hindus squats on the 12th one. I would basically go into a catcher's stance. Like, as low as I go, I put my a*s in my f**king my heels. And I would put my hands like this as I was, and I was put on like my knee on each side of my elbows. Some bend down like in a catcher's something like this and I would say the Lord's Prayer. And then I would go out to my music. Where did that come from? Why just started? Because. The first time I ever worked. With Van Hammer. Back when we were, you know, breaking in. He came over to me and we were going to go through it like a. Kind of at that time, a spot for two guys, our side, we're going to do this over-the-top thing into a table. Then it came over and he put his arms around me like this thing, what hedge of protection, hedge of protection? And he walked away from me. And I just in my mind, I was just like, Oh, f**k, I was sweet. That's going to go good now. I actually like the oh, OK, I got a hedge of protection, but I go right through that f**king table. Yeah. Hurt like s**t. But I mean, I do have that protection. Actually, very much like our shield, much like Car Shield, you get the hedge of protection that's going to work that into the next read next week. That's right. Very good. Listen. Probably not the most fun thing you could have done tonight, but you're better than a colonoscopy, right? Wolf, while there's no final, Paula. Went to we went to hours with Nash. And to and you did to our great listeners out there. Thank you for it. Thank you guys so much for listening. And. We're going to be more interactive, I this was I just wanted to get this out because I wanted to. There was nothing I could talk about before I talked about Scott, so I just wanted to. And yes, no, this is the perfect, perfect way to open it. Yeah, I miss, I miss him every day. And, you know, there's a lot of motherf**kers out there, man, that do. I just there is if you follow me on Twitter, it's real Kevin Nash. And there's some some gentlemen that put out a YouTube video that showed some love for Scott, say goodbye to the bad guy. And it's you can look at it on. And my page and then you can download it or. Whatever he needed to do. Yeah, it's cool, I didn't see that. Yes, it was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was very, very cool. Well, click this is a production of Butch and Sundance media, produced in association with podcast Heat producer Steve Kaufman, theme song by Dale Oliver, additional music and research by Tristan Nash. Copyright 2020 to two week break in real quick. Yeah, too much work. Chief Murray. So my slip this this would not be a bad there, but yeah, so this would not be a. Happening, if it wasn't for my, my son, who's my, my, my tech man who who got everything going, and so I just wanted to oh, I'll confirm that that that we've reached. We will already be trying to get connected on a f**kin abacus or something here with the. So I wanted to give a shout out to my son for f**king. No one putting up with me, but number two for f**king making sure I got this, should I much prefer calling Trystan with a question about like, you know, internet connection? And you? You know what? Like I say? This is from Bob Nash. My father, who I only had for eight years, but I'd learned f**kin ninety nine percent of my my values in life were from my, from my dad. I remember one time my mom telling my dad, Bob, you need to go out and paint the garage, and I remember him sitting there down at the kitchen table going. There's a guy in the phone booth in the phone book as you look up painter. Right, and see, what he does is he comes over to your house and he paints you s**t and you give him money, and that's how he feeds his family. He said I worked for Ford Motor Company. You buy Ford Motor Company automobiles and you feed my family. He said. That goes for me. The fuller brush man came from our house. We bought my, my dad. But every brush the f**ker had given an American Indian came with the salt and pepper shakers. I mean, he came to our house selling s**t. My dad was buying it because that's. But at the same time, it just like. You're supporting working men. Yeah, he had he didn't do s**t. He didn't cut the lawn. He didn't do, you know? So in in light of the Bob Nash story, it'd be pertinent to ask you, do you want to do another one back? Thank. All right. No. Thanks, buddy. Get the house you want with the payment you want and buy with Conrad Dot. You don't need perfect credit or money out of your pocket to do this and buy with Conrad dot com in a molest number six five zero eight four Equal Housing Lender. The first step to buying a house is Buy with Conrad dot com.