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Oh, my god, guys, welcome back to another episode of Hammered Heroes and villains, my name is Sophie Santo, I'm Brendan Fitzgibbons, and you can follow me at Sophie Santos on Instagram. You can follow me at the underscore Brendan Fitzgibbons. The handle is not long enough for Sophie. She has to comment. Every time you took the words from my mouth again, and you can follow the pod at Hammered Heroes Pod on Tik Tok on Instagram. We got a lot of good vids going on with blown up on the ground. Keep. I had, I had to turn my notifications off. I know people really like Joe Namath talking about how much women he's had sex with surprised me. That was our big hit on Instagram. Like, I can't believe that. Yeah, no, not our prolific discovery of space radio. Russia's great space to radio station. Perfect. Great. All right, awesome. We're on a roll. I sound high, but that makes sense because today we are talking about a hammered hero, which I will say really quickly if you've been listening to the pod for a minute, we've already talked about this hero, but he does deserve another due. We're getting a firsthand close up view of him now. Talk about six degrees of separation. We're talking about Bill Spaceman Lee. What do you get when you cross a kid who handcuffs himself to a bed to skip Holy Communion and a rhino party leader who tried to unseat Ronald Reagan with a band to blow dry a campaign? Well, for one thing, the second best left handed pitcher in Boston Red Sox history. And that's just for starters. He is someone who is known for a lot of things, like being a part of the Rhinoceros Party when he ran for president and also sprinkling weed on his organic pancakes. Amazing. Did you say this in the paper? It said Lee claims to use marijuana. Uh huh.. And it's well, the headline said smoke. And I said, No, I didn't smoke it. I said, I used it. I said, I put it on my pancakes and I said, I use it and I eat them, and I run five miles to the ballpark and it makes me impervious to the bus. And so, yeah, so we're going to keep that conversation going because today we are so glad to be joined by Ben Lyons. He is the co-host on the Apple Plus show Bunch Your Sports Talk. He also hosted shows for the Players Tribune, ESPN. And he is he co-executive producer of the new sports talk show for Amazon, called Prime Video Sports Talk and more. Exciting news for us for us this year. You're a legend, man. He was an executive producer on the film Spaceman, starring Josh Duhamel. I have always been in favor of drug testing in sports. Yes. Really? Yeah, I like to test them all. My last spaceman is just what I think it is ganja resin spread from the fields of Kingston. Not here to play patty cake, you know, which does talk about pitcher, former Red Sox pitcher bill. So please welcome Ben Lyons, everybody. Ben, what's up with you? Thank you very much for having me on this program. I appreciate it. What's happening? We're so excited. First question. You're a new New York Knicks fan. What's it like living your whole life in pain? Good or bad? Listen, my father is from New York City, born and raised right? And he quotes a French philosopher who says the heart has reason that reason itself knows nothing about. When asked, Why is he a Boston Red Sox fan? And for years that would endure train rides to the Bronx, where entire subway cars would chant Lions sucks? Well, yes, and I would see uniformed police officers give my father the finger when I was a child. These are things that were part of my upbringing. And now this man has four World Series rings, and when I me as a Dodger fan call to congratulate him. He said all they should have swept the Dodgers. He's just like, Oh my God. So I say, Oh, I had to say, I now have hope and I have belief that I'm going to get just one next title in my lifetime. That's all I want. I got so used to have it May and June three, but now the calendar might be starting to fill up this year. I don't know. So I need to ask, how do you split with your dad on the fandom? Why have you gone? Did he hurt you? What happened? Yeah, man. People would ask me, grown up, are you a Red Sox fan? And I always would say, No, I'm just a fan of food and shelter in the summertime for my family, so I would always keep an eye rooting on the Sox. But it was honestly was such a big thing for him, and I kind of wanted to carve my own sports identity. And there was a time where I was obsessed with the Bash Brothers in the 80s. Oakland A's and Canseco. And then I got into the White Sox and Frank Thomas and then, you know, five or six and fell in love with the Chavez Ravine and Blue Heaven and became a Dodger fan the last 16, 17 years or so. Yeah, his Red Sox fandom, though it's going to say cause of death. Boston Red Sox on his tombstone one day he skipped his high school prom because jazz is in town, and we hope that doesn't have to happen for you with the Knicks because I to see one just want to see one, do you think? Yeah. What do you think the Knicks have struggled for so long because James Dolan's Blues band is so good? Listen, I'm a big JD in the streets. That's fair when I'm out on the golf course, a little kazoo in the back nine and doing that, are you really going in on that? You're going in kind of just trying to change that energy around the world's most famous or just trying to change up the vibes a little bit because. Whatever's been happening, it hasn't been working. Well, you guys are sitting pretty comfortably at one side. Six The five spotlights on the Miami Heat in a convincing way, despite Julius Randle rolling his ankle despite RJ playing like hot garbage, they somehow. Well, he's not. Yeah, he's one. I don't know if he's the guy. I will say I don't know if he is the guy, but we'll see. It was born the day I graduated high school with destiny. Wow, he's going to be twenty three in three months. He still is the maple mom, but he's got a wonderful dentist. I was amazing. His smile is great and wonderful. Dentist, I believe. I still believe. Do you think that Tom Thibodeau will ever smile and when will that be? Well, I've been saying this for a while stiles p juice for lice and juice for life. You've got to get some green shoots in his life. He's got to get nutrients. Have were wonderful points. Program a juice. I loved your. It's. I belong to it. It's like a little expensive. But if you get to go there often enough, you get the points and it balances out, so it's got to balance it out. He looks stressed, but he's having fun in the same press conferences. I think being this is a go. I'm much more younger, like a younger team for him, and he's probably hanging throughout his career and they're having success and it's working. So hopefully winning will bring some peace to a peace of mind, to a very stressed out man. He's really stressed out. Well, I wish you good luck in the playoffs. I'm a Suns fan, so we'll see if we end up meeting now. I do. I want to pivot back really quickly. Before we get to Bill, we want to tell you about our favorite story. This week, honoree hammered Hero could be anybody that just exhibits and exudes heroism. So we found this hilarious story that two men in Ohio were accused of stuffing fish with lead weights and fish filets. If you believe those who were there. This is the moment a lot of eyebrows started to go up anglers Jacob Runyon and Chase Kaminsky leading yet another fishing tournament. They even headed up to take their pictures at the Lake Erie walleye fishing competition, ready to claim almost 30 grand in prize money. But watch closely in attempt to win thousands of dollars in an Ohio fishing tournament last fall, when just moments later, the event's organizer, Jason Fisher decides to check the belly of one of those fish. We got weeks in there we go. From then on, it's a mob calling foul in a way only true fishermen can. They just pled guilty for cheating. Here's my thought, then why not just rob a bank? If you're going to put that much time into it, like, what are you doing? Listen, my co-host on your sports sock right now is Amani Toomer a great Michigan man? Oh yeah. Now with the New York football giants. And he says, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. I don't even cosign the fish, the fish, fowl right there. What are we doing? Yeah, like we say, we say that a lot in the office. What are we doing here? What is this? What is the point? It was only four, twenty eight thousand dollars. It's like guys only. But look, if you're going to risk getting arrested for take, let's go big, man. Let's just say they're only going to get six months. They're only going to get six months of probation, OK, and they might even get it scrubbed, but they put these. Can you imagine the precision just stuffing weights into fish? It's insane. Look, Andrew Hawkins, who is a wide receiver in the NFL, shouts Taha. He apparently stuffed some rocks in his pockets at a weigh in so he could show that he was a little bigger than he was. I guess this is just like a wrestling way, and it's a little different. It's just like right now that we've finished the fish. Fishing fish is learning how to get that in there. I had to. I want to talk about something because this is really huge, man. When did you know Josh Duhamel should be Bill Spaceman Lee? Was it when he was in the romantic comedy by Nicholas Sparks Safe Haven? What was it about that performance that made you go, Yeah, he should be Bill Spaceman. Well, first of all, I had the privilege of being on the set of Safe Haven. This no way the North Carolina shores with Julianne Hough and Domhnall on the Beach Boys too. I'm that's like, how did you get involved? I wish it was a better story, but I was a correspondent, I think at the time for extra and they said, That's what you did. I was a hard day's work was flying to North Carolina, off off the coastline and visiting Josh and Julia, the Nicholas Sparks movie that year. Yeah. No. But it's funny. Another said Visit the film Spaceman was already in production. Josh and I formed a friendship over the years and I wanted to check him out on. He knew I was a big baseball guy, so we did a set visit and I was like, Wow, this is really fun. You got a cool thing going here. The director, Brett Rapkin, was a cool guy, would love the film's lead story for a while, and obviously they knew my Red Sox and baseball connections. And so I got involved with the film after I saw a really early rough cut of it and was like, Oh, I think we can get it out here. I think we can do some fun marketing, some fun press for it. And so it became an EP on it later in the process. But we took Josh up to Super Bowl in San Francisco and introduced the film to the market by having him going on with Recibio and Woody Paige and NFL Network. And everybody was really fired up at Super Bowl for a baseball movie. That's great. Cool way to introduce it, but yeah, what a character on 1970s, a pitcher for the Sox and expos who's on the cover of high times while he was in the league. It's massive and it is one of those things. Where did he have a rough time of baseball because of because he was a hippie, right? You think of baseball. It's very much all American male. Yeah, machismo. And here he is, getting high trying to get the team high. He's also one of the first to come out about being that open about it, too, which I think was like, he took it for everybody else. Now, it wouldn't be that crazy if a baseball player came up and was like, Yeah, am I right? We would be like, Yeah, your boards and performed at a high level played in the World Series, played out in the All-Star Game 117 games multiple times is in the Red Sox. Hall of Fame is one of their great lefties of all time. That's the really cool thing about it, too, is that he had this kind of spacemen, demeanor and counterculture vibe, then went out there and kick your a*s to it and then also talk about the game of life spans, like pitching into his 70s, the severita bananas, any nearly semi-pro leagues and signing deals in his 60s and just the character of the game. That's for baseball, because there are so many guys who come up for a cup of coffee or guys who bounce around and play for a bunch of teams. They give these really unique characters who might not necessarily be the all time legends, but they're the all time like legendary stories and personalities that define the game, and he's one of them. Yeah, you just mentioned we talk with us when we covered him earlier last year, he was pitching for the savannah bananas. Hilarious. He collapsed, and they had to revitalize him. And then he's fine. But my concern is, if you give bill spacemen, Lee CPR, won't you get second hand high? He's one of those guys where he just lives it like he's so really good. Bad the ugly. You hear stories around the Red Sox organization of him getting in fights and being difficult at times when especially coming down to spring training and stuff. I remember when I was at spring training with my dad and we were telling people, Oh yeah, we're working on this space man movie. OK? Really interesting. So definitely a misunderstood guy at times. A volatile guy, to say the least. The film really focuses on his time in Montreal when he had a falling out with the expos it was trying to play his way back in his wallet. Some would say he was blackballed, or others would say the game passed him by. But you can't tell a story of baseball without telling the story of Billy. Yeah. Do you have a favorite story at? Have you actually met him? I met him, yeah, I met him. We were doing some marketing for the film and one of the screenings. Do you love like I said, but the idea of being on the cover of high times while you're in the league? Even with all the freedom around cannabis now and players have different investments in different companies that it's legal in different states or leagues that suit me talk like I don't think athletes aren't doing that. They're not doing that right now. They're not seeing Gerrit Cole on the cover of High Typekit, like, it's not even an option. So it's the fact he did that, I think is so legit. That's so legendary now. Do you love Bill Spaceman Lee so much because you're also in the Rhinoceros Party? For those that don't know, he ran for president in 1988 with the Rhino Party with the promise to ban guns and butter. His slogan literally was this No guns, no butter. Both can kill. I'm going to put you on the record. Yeah. What's your butter thought? In the Rhinoceros Party, but I'll bring this up. I am in the Bill Bradley for president. My God, you know, saying you are Nick Fan is going to have a presidential Biden for a U.S. senator. That's his own party to the bill. Bradley party is a separate party, but how cool is that that Nick's team talk about characters? We just said, I think today might be Jerry Lucas's birthday. Jerry Lucas had a member of the Night Rain Man Beowulf. Clive Frazier Turning 80. I believe this week we just lost the legend was just really. Yeah, well, it's really great. The Bushiri. God bless him. He played for the White Sox, is a pitcher and played for the Knicks. That was a dick. Barnett wanted to become a professor. One of the most interesting, eclectic team of characters ever is why they had success. So who do you think would win in a fight bill spaceman Lee or John Starks? John Starks? We put the mask on. You know, the dunk, obviously was funny. We had Jason Jackson on the voice of the Miami Heat because the Heat were in town and they just honored Udonis Haslem with a special section of the stadium down. Oh, wow, nice for 20 years with them from Miami. I was like, Oh wow, the Knicks, they're not going to be retiring numbers like John Starks and Charles Oakley. But can we get like a John Starks like bathroom or some kind of pavilion or Anthony Mason? Yeah, yeah. We get Anthony Mason stairwell like you smoke cigarettes in the stairwell at the Knick games. Can we honor the legend like that? That's such a good idea. I have a question. I love the idea of giving these guys their flowers who aren't necessarily going to get their number retired or a statue, but are big parts of the organization. Yeah, like Bill Spaceman Lee, similar totally like these are people you probably remember even more in some ways. Yeah, sure. I think the Red Sox, like a guy like Moe von O, is the best of them. They're going to retire is no, but like, what a legend. What a big deal for that time period. So fun. Yeah. You mentioned I want to go back to that. You just mentioned the heat. Are you also an investor in Jimmy Butler's big face coffee? What's what's your take on that? I was just having a conversation. I knew it looked like a guy who would have a conversation about this. I'm talking with my friend who's a little older. He wasn't familiar with big face coffee. It's our favorite. I love Jimmy Butler. I know. I know where you can get it. I know he's available for $20 a cup in the in the bottle. Yeah, I do have a nice Jadakiss roast in my cabinet. Incredible. Absolutely insane. Yeah, I would love some big face coffee. Yeah. So go back to Bill real quick. What athlete do you think today most resembles Spaceman Lee? Do you think there's anything anybody in it could be any sport, so you don't have to be just baseball of yeah, of who's kind of a stony baloney, but goes march by their own draw, larger than life? I would say almost Aaron Rodgers, but he's not funny. Aaron Rodgers isn't funny. Like how Spaceman was funny. You mentioned Jimmy in the big face. Jimmy apparently took the rearview mirrors off his car because he doesn't look back at Bill Spaceman. I love that I was so good. A little bit of Kyrie's a little bit. So Kyrie, but Aaron over these guys are outside the box challenging convention, I think. Well, like you said, there's some joy, right? Like, I look at Nick Swisher and Nick Swisher comes on our show now retired from the Yankees and the way you would go to the Yankee game, and they would put the lineup up on the jumbotron and they'd be like at second base like Robinson Cano. And he's a, you know, it's it's very mixed, which. Yeah, it's worse. I mean, I feel like I'm always so animated and I feel like Billy has some of that joy as well in his game. I think the closest that I could think of is Marshawn Lynch. I feel like they him a call. Yeah, great. I also heard he's like, insanely funny. I have no experience with him, like professionally, but I've heard he's so funny. I would love to talk to that guy. I would think someone maybe he's the exact opposite of Bill Spaceman Lee, but also someone who is definitely goes by the beat of his own drum would be someone like a pat Bev. Oh, that's funny. He's yeah, there's a little nasty side to bill, too. Yeah, he's not scared of confrontation. Not scared. Well, mixed up a little bit. He did say this is a quote when he went on it in an interview with Bill Donahue after he called himself. He said he was running for the emperor of the world. By the way, I'm running for president, emperor of the world. I want to be remembered as a guy who cared about the planet and who would take you out at second if the game was on the line. That's my. President, yeah, I think that is my president. I love that. Let's to it in that Uncle Drew movies. You don't get old and stop playing. Stop playing and get old, Billy. Never stop playing. So I don't think you ever got all the way. He's got a youthful demeanor and spirit about him, of fighting counterculture. You know, the convention and representing the voiceless and all that stuff like these bad a*s dude pitching into his seventies. My dad played fast pitch softball till he was 74. He's 78 now. Wow, my god. Yeah. And they used to call me towards the end of his softball career. He call me and say, Bill. I had an eight pitch at bat and I was like, Man, that'd be tough for everybody else in the park for you to sound off all those pitches and staying in and continuing to play. And that keeps you young, I think. Oh yeah, no, it definitely does. Yeah. So Billy famously, like we talked about, put weed on his organic pancakes. What would make the biggest headlines now for the worst food drug combo? How about a cocaine pop tart little sprinkles instead of the sprinkles? Basically, who says that's not how it is actually serve? Those things are delicious, breezy or like, cracked? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the idea of this generation's dock, Ellis. You know that story. And that's yeah, that's pretty wild. You go to Yankee Stadium now, and honestly, it sounds like the Sahara tent at Coachella. Like, it's no longer just the organ, it's like, Oh, Bubba. So just, I don't know. You see some Calvin Harris back there and all the and it's not. Yeah, the Mets, they got the trumpets, everything but at the Yankee game, it's like full on a visa. So I don't know, somebodies roll in and they get on the mound and go nuts. So you're a big sports guy, obviously. You know so much, do you? This is a question we ask a lot of our guys, Do you miss this era when players were more loose with maybe drug use or drinking? Or do you think that we're in a better place now? What's your thoughts? I think he's a lot of it's in the shadows. I think a lot of it's behind closed doors now. It's not out in public like I used to know in high school or bars David Wells would go to. Oh, we talked about David. We had a big episode on David. This is back. Old mug shots on Second Avenue like you would, you would see players out more. And I think it's a big thing with the Knicks. Like, you either live in the city and you're close to the garden and you're young and you want to go out to New York. But then how do you get to the practice facility in Westchester every day or you twenty two and you live up in Scarsdale? That's not a great look. So I think that keeps free agents out of New York. But yeah, look at Darryl Strawberry Dwight good at it. Didn't those guys didn't know how to handle it well. But Lawrence Taylor? Yeah, that whole team, those medicine, Gary Carter and Keith Hernandez and being out in the city is a wild time in New York now. You got camera phones, now you got security footage, now you got you got John Moran going live on. Yeah. Chuck Todd, I think a lot of that stuff and also to just professional Jalen Rose is a great quote, he says. Back then, we used to work out, now they trade. No, now it's sports science. Now it's really guys are really into their bodies. And I think to look in the NBA job might be an exception, but a lot of guys have family. I don't have a family background to be in this moment, but a lot of the guys who've had success in the league. Steph, Giannis, LeBron, D-Wade, Melo, like Chris Paul, they all got kids. Yeah, and a lot of commercials. Yeah. And doing deals in Paris and fashion and just a different lifestyle. Now that may be just like going to the bar and seeing. So I'll put you down for saying it's boring now. OK, cool a little bit. It is not going to lie. We don't have that kind of, I'm going to like, destroy you on the court. No, destroy you at the bar kind of mentality in basketball, at least. I don't see it as much. Yeah, because they are all they literally have their brands. It's like they are truly all brands. And then they have their like all moguls, which she's like, How can I keep building my empire? I think that's the mentality of how do I build my empire versus, yeah, how am I going to kick your a*s on the court and then kick your a*s later? Yeah. Or you have legends like C.J. McCollum, who family guys go to the bubble in Orlando and I need my room at sixty four degrees to keep these bottles of Pino. Sure, with appropriate temperature. Oh, you're funny, McCollum. So speaking of all time rumors, I have to ask you about this because you probably have some inside information. Is the Derek Jeter the gift basket rumor correct? What's your thoughts on that? Do you know? I don't know. I don't know about the Jeter or the Jeter basket, but I do know that guy was a legend here in New York City. Yeah, because I've gotten to know, like a lot of deejays in the city and they're all like, Yo, Jeter was like in these clubs for real. And it's like a hip hop dude. And you think about 90s New York hip hop, incredible Yankees. They're like, forever intertwined. Yeah, I don't know what the gift baskets, but I do know that the guy was a legend in the streets out here. That's so funny. Yeah. Do you think Spaceman Lee was kicked out because or blackballed because of his politics? Was it like a Colin Kaepernick situation, or do you think it's just because he was volatile? It's definitely not a cap situation cap, I think for something a lot greater than building. Yeah, of course. Yeah. But Bill, I think sometimes it's one of those phrases everywhere you go, there you are. And at some point, when the fastball is not as fast or the curve balls not curve in as much, people are like, All right, I don't really want to deal with all of this and punching teammates and screaming, I'm crazy political views. Smoking weed, it's not for everybody at that time. I think it's great, it's cause for so good. It's kind of I think Aaron Rodgers is a great example of Aaron Rodgers, someone who can get away with a lot right now because he's still performing at a high level, for example. And I'm sure you know this. But like Aaron Rodgers, when he won is back to back MVP. He went and did ayahuasca both summers. That's something that's OK where you could be like, Yo, do you? Should it be, you shouldn't be getting high like that. But then he goes and he wins the MVP. I guess you can't say that about it. Yeah. So you asked that question before about what's the new kind of athlete wilding out with drugs and stuff? And I don't even quite those drug. Let's say that's a dip to expand your mind or take a different approach. Look to see ethics in sports. I think we're going to see more guys going on their versions of darkness retreats in the same way that they have a chef and a trainer. Like now, you can have a shaman. I think it would be dope. Like, I would love to see more guys staging the arenas and bringing crystals on the road. Oh yeah, really. I want to see a shaman in a New England Patriots huddle and just see Belichick lose his s**t. How he deals. He just gets so upset. But so if you raise a great point, I think people are still down with Aaron Rodgers because he's still doing well. But if he was, he has a bad season and he goes on another darkness retreat where like, you know what, bro, we're good. We're good on the yoga. Just stop it. Oh, wait till week five when they're one in four. And so in those jet fares, we're like, Oh God, it was scary. Oh yeah, they're going to say so much stuff. This stupid hippie. Yeah, are you? Yeah, the jets. It's such an interesting thing because it makes some of it makes sense. You're like, OK, who wants to be a city guy? I can see get out of Wisconsin, but you mean you've got that's upstate New York. That's not city slickers. Staten Island energy man. This guys weren't hard hats. Yeah, the fans. Yeah, they don't call it plant medicine, man. Like that? OK, that's for sure. You know that that path train is going to be popping when Aaron gets on it. But yeah, it's one of those things like, yeah, he's going to be thrown right into it, and he's 39 and he's got a team for kids, the source Gardner and Garrett Wilson. And these young dudes love them, though it's going to be fun. And can they get can they give it a shot if he wins one year and said, I would just silence everybody? Oh my god. Yeah. And then we're all doing it. They're all going on the doctor's surgery with him, which I wouldn't be upset about. Well, I'll do an ayahuasca on the Super Bowl parade. I going to Hawaii with Miles Teller. That looks fun, but that was a better trip for air. And I thought when he was, that looked great. That was a great time. Yeah. So, yeah, his best life. Ben, are you a big curse guy in sports? Do you believe being that close to the Red Sox? And then, if so, how do you explain the amazing turnaround of the Sox? Yeah, I really think it's faith and belief, like my dad was tested with Aaron Boone. I remember I watched the Aaron Boone game at 4:40 and Jay-Z by New York. Oh yeah, I've been there, he fans and I just really like this right when the game ended and some guy turned over to me and he goes, Why are you upset you, Jeffrey Lyons, son? And I go, Yes, yes, I actually am. That's crazy. I just really believe that my father's belief of it, I remember him passed out in the shower in 86. We were at Disney World with Bill Buckner game. It's like he just stayed with it. And so I think the only thing that gets through a curse like I'm with it, with the Knicks, like, there's an argument to be made that as long as Dolan is involved there, as long as they don't do and they're just a mess as much as it's been this year. And as excited as I am for a playoff run like we know how this movie's going to end. So I do believe that all it takes is faith. Spike Lee, God bless him. He's there on a Tuesday night versus Orlando in January because his belief and faith and I think that's what gets it done. I think that's a great point. I actually interviewed Chris Bryant the year before the Cubs won, and he was like, We're absolutely going to win. And I was like, Oh, you don't have all the baggage that we all have about you, like they were so young. They're like, Yeah, of course we're going to win. We don't care about curses like we're not talking about it. Yeah, I mean, all that stuff and changing energy and the spirits of the past and Bucky Dent and all that stuff. I feel like that we should all do ayahuasca together. I actually I'm not getting that we would actually have a really good time. We said our intentions manifesting. We talk a lot about manifesting and but yeah, I definitely think it is. I think it is faith and I think it was right watching something where it was like, what do you call it, someone who like knows curses a curse breaker. But there's like a witch, basically. And she was just like, What your curse? Because you keep thinking your curse? And I'm like, Oh, that's really good, because I do think that a lot of the Sox fans were always just or just curse words curse. And it's just, no, you just start believing and then, look, now they've won four World Series with twenty four to seven. Yeah, it's amazing. Series four is insane. Twenty eighteen. It really makes me believe in a higher power like the fact that, like my father is for World Series. You gotta understand this man. You should know what streets in New York City he could get AM radio reception on at night to listen to the games like in the 80s. My god, I love this. How are you a Red Sox fan in New York in the 70s and 80s? How are you consuming those games? You? Fight for it like we have a house in Long Island, because that's where we can get Red Sox games on the radio, I get reception there. I got hit. I got hit in the stomach by Tom Vernadsky in a line drive during early hitting rises at Fenway Park before the game starts and we stay out of the game until 1:30 in the morning. The game when 514 innings Jack Clarke hit his third home run in the next day. My mother found out what happened is the only time I remember my parents fighting. But it's me, man, just like Sarah Bryce's health of his child for a Red Sox game in August. Man, I get it. I don't want us to realize too much, but I'm an Alabama fan. I went to Alabama and there's a lot of things that I would do. Yeah, that, you know, I have a question, though. Alabama is at this place with your football and I'm a Michigan fan. We're not even close. There were knocking on the door. It's like you guys are playing to shocked the world and break the curse and be an underdog like you're playing for perfection. And if you don't win, it's failure. Well, that's why I actually there was a great saving clip. Maybe you saw last year where he was just like, You guys are all ungrateful. You used to be excited when we win. Now, when we win by 40, I I you're not living. Yeah, it's just a bunch of I do. You know you? I'm grateful. I yeah, I would tell you, I know I get it, and that's how I feel, too. And I'm trying to be. I'm trying to realize that their children and that I am, I am an adult now and that I shouldn't put my whole year bank my whole year based off of what children, how they perform. But yeah, it is. Every year we're going for a championship. When you have, I think it's 16 now. Jesus Christ. That's insane. You like you won another chairmanship. But yeah, we're going to get it this year. But yeah. Speaking of curses, Ben, how do we break the curse of Jim Harbaugh always wearing khakis? First of all, this man is incredible. Are you kidding me? He needs a vitamin every day called the steak. Who else can put down a whole milk after 45? This guy is doing some taxes or the like a cuff in the crease like he's living his best life. I love his man. I'm so happy that every year he plays everybody all. I'm going to go to the NFL and they just back the dump truck up and they give him all the Jordan brand gear and it's the best. He's going to be there forever. I think he's awesome. I'd Brent throw off. He was also a Bears quarterback, so I got legions, man. He put up with Ditka. So like, nothing can be that bad after that. He's so Midwest, huh? Yeah, he is. Yeah, it's the middle of the country, right? For those brothers. Yeah, both of those brothers are so hard working, so kind. He's just he is the Midwest. I love it. That's fantastic. Now we are unfortunately running out of time, but we just wanted to wrap up really quickly. And what was the reception for the Spaceman Lee movie? Were you happy with it? How do you feel like? Did Bill like it? Is there going to be a sequel? Yeah, we'll definitely dug it. I don't know if we'll see a sequel. Maybe a prequel. I'd love to see, like high school bill. Oh yeah. Oh, totally like finding himself in the 60s. But no, I think that was a labor of love to get out there. You think you got Josh Jamal? Ernie Hudson was in it. I love Gary Hudson. Oh my God. Ghostbusters, get out ! Josh got to throw out a first pitch at Dodger Stadium and introduce his son to Vin Scully. That was awesome. Oh, that's great. We had some really fun experiences, but it's tough, man. It's tough getting people in movie theater. I'm not going to lie like it was a very real learning lesson and a challenge, but I don't know people who saw it. I think dig into the stoner movie you can find late at night if you want to find a random biopic and light one up and learn about a legend. Should definitely. I would say it'd be great if maybe we we all watch it together, maybe stream it over ayahuasca, over ayahuasca, and it's after our darkness retreat together. Ben, thank you so much. Can you let us let the people plug your stuff, man? You got so much good stuff going on. Yeah, your ESPN legend over here. Everything, you're Jeremy Lyons, son. I am very lucky to continue to be able to talk about sports and have fun with it. I watched the show with Madeline Burke and Amani Toomer of Bon Your Sports Talk on Amazon Prime and hopefully you can find me at Madison Square Garden deep into the spring all the way to June. When that be nice. That'd be great. And if we end up playing each other, we'll have to link up. There's no word from your lips to God's ears. Let me talk about hope and belief. That's where it stops for you. That's where it stops. You're like, Yeah, next Sunday's finals. Let's start, OK, the New Yorker in me kicks in. It's never going to. Ever going to happen. OK. But thank you for having me. It was a great time, man. Yeah, thank you so much. Roll tide. Sorry, if you enjoyed listening to this podcast, please like subscribe, share with your friends, share with your drunk uncle. I don't know and give us a five star rating. You can follow us at Hammered Heroes Pod on Tik Tok and Instagram, or you can follow us individually. Sophie Santos at Sophie East Santos on Instagram or at The Real Sophie Santos on Tik Tok. Or you can follow Brendan at the Underscore Brendan Fitzgibbon's on both Instagram and Tik Tok. Bye bye now !
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