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I'm so excited to chat to these two . I love them . They deserve all the happiness in the world . We had such a great catch up with Ashley and Jared . We all know them and love them . I loved hearing all about their journey to pregnancy , although wonderfully awful pregnancy things . Ashley is experiencing their upcoming projects that are working on a new cafe by day lounge by night Martini Bar . I love this idea . We'll talk more about that . We do a good old , juicy recap of this week's happenings in the current days of paradise . Still , lots of tears . So much more planned meet ups for paradise and fame . Kenny's Love Square , Becca and Thomas . I mean , I don't know . There's just so much to go over . But without further ado , here is Ashley and Jared to talk all of the goods at cuties . Oh all right . Well , just let you know this is the first time we're ever using this mic . So you're our guinea pig . Oh , I hope it works . I want to give you my experiences plugging into the computer . Yeah , into the recorder . I mean , I think it's working . It's it does sound better for Jared . You sound far away . Oh , really , you got to lean forward . Yeah , yeah . I'm a very loud man . You are a loud man , like when you're on the phone , in the car and my phone , you want to . Well , that's . Wait . No , I was going to say , you're from New York . No , you're not . What's your excuse ? Awesome . The exact same thing , right ? OK . That's John from Kim Providence . All right . That's Jason is the loudest man on the planet . Like every phone call , I'm like . Same thing . Actually , I'm like , You are really in right now . And then , my God , if I ever raise my voice , he's like , Raise your voice . I'm like , You're always yelling , Oh my god , I can definitely imagine him on the phone . Oh , it's never like a just conversation . It's OK . I've got a checklist here . We got this going on and this this is mom's like , How are you , Jason ? He's like , He's going to be like Robert De Niro in Meet the Parents where everything has a schedule and he's like , We're a clock . We got to get going . Yeah , that would be him . Except for that , he's also not a punctual human being , so it really doesn't make sense . Yeah , it's very surprising . I know he's he's late for things a lot , which I know that's like it doesn't add up because he is a scheduled person and needs like . And always has like a checklist , but is never on time . It's very interesting , but enough about us . How cute are you do ? Yeah , we're doing well actually is feeling a little better . Yeah , I've I've come out of the dark side , I suppose . Good . Well , are you sure about that ? So that's why I say it was such hesitancy . I also need to make sure that everybody knows like of like , Yeah , I'm not throwing up right now , but like I still feel like I like this still sucks . I hate . Yeah , yeah , you're just not hacking up your lungs constantly like I have . Like this post nasal drip . That apparently is quite common , but it's like disgusting . Like mucus is coming out of all the holes . Oh my gosh . It's a good time . It's so funny because so many people , you know , there's people like Jade who just like connects with every pregnancy she has and just feels beautiful . And then there's other people who just like , you know , and it's hard to because I know you've probably felt this , or I even was like talking to my producer about if there has to be trigger warnings in this podcast , because also there's people who would give anything to feel sick and have mucus coming out of all the holes , you know , to have a baby . So it's so hard . I mean , there's just different phases of life for everybody , and you're in that phase where you are pregnant and it's not easy . Yeah , I know I think about Jill , who was like super sick during all of her pregnancies but continues to want to be pregnant . I think for everybody out there is who is criticizing Ashley saying You should ? Yeah . Oh , you should only appreciate for being pregnant . We are very grateful to be pregnant because it is very difficult . I've had friends that have tried for years , upon years and have done all these different procedures and have spent so much money and it's terrible . And so don't anybody who's listening to this don't think for one second that we're not eternally grateful to be for Ashley to be pregnant because we're not pregnant , because I'm not doing any of the work over here , except I go get her a McDonald's breakfast sandwich on a biscuit . Other than that , I don't really have much to do . But that also doesn't mean that like because Ashley's sick , constantly throwing up . She's not allowed to say , Wow , this kind of sucks , or it's OK for you not to enjoy pregnancy . And I think like if people don't like , they should say more often or you enjoy aspects of being pregnant , but really never mind just getting bodily , you know , what do you ? Yeah . Well , yeah , I mean , obviously , she's got like hair growing on her stomach , and she's just constantly puffy . My stomach is heavier than Gerard's , and I'm not even in my head , and Lois's is weird . I almost do the weirdest things to bodies like the hormones make hair grow out of places that aren't . It's not supposed to grow out of and like , that's I get laser hair removal or I get waxed and it'll grow back because of hormones . OK , yeah , it was so weird because I've been laser for a while and like , Yeah , you go back and you do like your two or three times a year check , you know , whenever touch up saying , Yeah , I normally , you know , and yeah , I'm due for it , but I know that my hair growth right now is at such a rapid rate , it has no clue to deal with the fact I haven't gotten in touch . Her stomach just looks like my beard patches are everywhere . It's so weird . It's dead anyway . It's dense , it's dense . Anyway , enough about this . I mean , I feel bad . I mean , obviously like , no , like , we're very grateful and I out of it is me like poking fun at all . This , of course , a lot of is being self-deprecating . Yeah . And like , I guess I'd be like this , and it's kind of funny that we all that's what people expect from you , Ashley . You know , you're what people love about you is your honesty , how raw and real you are . I think you're so in tune with your emotions and you talk about things that that's it would be weird if you just stayed quiet through your pregnancy about your journey . It's your how you feel and you're talking about your feelings . You're doing classic Ashley stuff we love . Just imagine Ashley trying to hold everything in while she's posting Instagram Stories like her lips quivering because she just wants to say so badly how much this sucks . And she's like , I'm so happy . And you know , we're like , you know , we like announce at nine weeks and I could not keep it any longer because like it's part of our job , it's so awkward to say is like documenting our lives and my life for like six weeks prior to that was literally just watching Grey's Anatomy on the couch for hours and hours and hours . I was like , I have nothing to prove to . I have nothing . Yeah , I was there was like , I'd say , a six week period where it was six . Yeah , it was bad . It was really bad . I felt bad . Yeah , that's that's not fun and you're allowed to feel shitty and talk about it . So it's still but we're going to have a baby boy . Honestly , like on like a cute no . Like , I loved her and more now than I ever loved . It isn't that weird . Not really . People are like , first off , some people like think that their husband is gross while they're pregnant . And I think that Jared is like the sweetest , most like magical human being in the entire world who I always thought . But he like the fact that he can love me through the grossness makes me love him even more , because it's just like so impressive that it's I feel like I don't deserve any of this praise . I feel , you know , that tick tock where it's like somebody does the bare minimum and it's that huge round of applause . That's what I feel like right now . I literally just go to a McDonald's drive thru and get her food , and I come back and she's like , You're just the greatest man ever . I'm like , Here's your best . That's so sweet . But sometimes it is just those little things that you know that go the longest way is when you're feeling so crappy and someone just brings it like , especially because you've been throwing up for so long a biscuit . It's going to mean a lot when you bring it over and you can keep it down , like that's going to be a glorious little treat . And oh , I hope I'm like that . I picture myself being just negative bitch the whole time . Jason's going to be so kind to you . I feel like I feel like he's just going to be like , What ? What do you do ? You know how powerful you are ? You know how what a powerful woman you are . I feel like he keeps saying that , Oh my gosh , he's going to be the best . So we've been talking about friends who don't have babies yet , but like , are engaged . You're married and planned on that one day . And we've been like ranking how the husbands are going to do . And I think Jason gets the best . Yeah , he's never want to be fair . I have not been a part of this , but he's been in the car with the best . I have no memory of this . What would you rank him ? Is it like one out of 10 ? Yeah . I don't remember any of it . By no Jordan , we were in the car and we the doctor and you're like , he was like , No , he's going to be like this . You can have this . Well , my mind . Oh my god , maybe I have pregnancy brain . Anyway , point is , yeah , Jason's going be great . He , I think Jason's going to be like , You're an empowered woman . You can do that yourself . Yeah , I know . I think I'm a guy . I don't want to get carried away here , but I just love this next bouncer . Are you picking up what I'm putting down ? Walk my dogs , checking my mail and talking about away , the modern lifestyle brand that creates thoughtful products for every traveler and every kind of trip that you guys know that I travel a lot like a lot , a lot . So I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the perfect suitcase . 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My producer will be keeping track of how many times we have to come up with the code . Actually , do you have that app where it tells you what size your baby is ? We just said I actually looked it up today . It's a trick she's trying to make you say the word . Don't say it . I just checked myself and said , Well , yeah , but you who owes the dollar ? OK , yeah , it's you . But I'm going to try and play to you . But I thought , maybe that app where it tells you what size it is and then you could call it that like , is it a line ? What is it ? A cucumber today ? Actually , it up early this morning . I look up every week when I use cucumber . That can't be right . That's pretty big . Yeah , cucumbers . No , it can't be that big cucumbers . Like that big thing . No , Jerry , I don't know what type of cucumbers you're talking about . I like this is like a baby cucumber . It's like a pickle . Like a pickle . Also , some of them are comparing the size of our iPhone sweet potato , but a sweet potato is pretty big , too . Yes . OK , I want to call it a pickle . That's really cute . Yeah . Tell me pickle . All right . Yeah , it's how many pickles I pickles . That's that's what we'll call it . So we're going to keep track . But the jar of money is just going to go towards a baby gift for you guys . OK ? OK . I just said it . OK ? You got your dollar . Anyways , I obviously wanted to talk to you guys about that . But what else do you guys have going on in your lives ? Because obviously big news is the Tommy Pickles . But Ashley , you were talking to me the other day about something you guys got going on and I thought would be fun to talk about . We're pursuing Jared's dream . Oh , let him talk about . Yeah . Well , I've always wanted to own and operate my own restaurant or business . So my favorite concept of all time is a coffee shop that turns into a martini bar at night . And I've always wanted to own a place like that , and now we are pursuing it . So we found a place in South Kingston , Rhode Island , which is about 20 minutes from Newport . Right near the beach is beautiful place , and it's going to be called Audrey's coffee house and lounge . And it's going to be a coffee shop that turns into a lounge at night and named after my mom is named after asla . Yeah , I love the name Audrey . Well , I love the name Audrey . It just reminds me of something very comforting and homey in classic and elegant . And so I loved the name Audrey for coffee shop . Like , Hey , let's go grab a coffee at Audrey's . Let's go grab a drink at Audrey's . And so we've been working on it for about two months , and it's just me right now . So it's quite a lot . It's been overwhelming , but extremely fun thus far . And so we're hoping to be open by mid-October . And it's it's , you know , it's really good timing to open . So hopefully it works out because , you know , the flavors . Yeah , I really want . There's a beautiful stone fireplace in there . And so I really want people to imagine sitting on a couch , a leather couch with , you know , a pumpkin martini in their hand with a sweater on in front of a fireplace . Those are the vibes that we're going for , so it's really exciting . I'm super excited about it . I'm extremely nervous , but it's cool . Wait , that sounds awesome . I want to go to Audrey's right now , and you sold me with anything pumpkin and like a drink and a sweater and a view . Like you're saying , it's on the water . It's not on the water . It's about five , 10 minute drive . Yeah , it's a beautiful it's in South County Commons and it's this beautiful , beautiful plaza . And it's yeah , I used to actually go . I used to be a coffee shop that I used to go to all the time . When we were just friends , he was like , I want to take you to this coffee shop , you know , and take it to a coffee shop . Well , we don't own the space , but you know , we rent the space . Yes . So how cool is that ? I mean , you guys store everyone knows it . So it was straight out of a movie . And so it's so cute to think back that that was a coffee shop you wanted to take her to . And now you're going to open your own little thing that you've dreamt up because you were in the restaurant industry for a long time . So you know how much work that is ? Yes , it's a lot of work , but it's addicting . There's there's kind of like a high and I feel like people who work in the hospitality industry get , you know , when it's busy . And anybody who's worked in restaurants can tell you , like when you're just trying to keep your head above water for like four hours through the dinner rush . And like , you just rely on each other and you're just pumping food out , getting drinks out and and just doing whatever you need to do to get through the rush . There's there is this adrenaline that I I love so excited to get back into that . Yeah , he really we did this Duncan drive thru . This is what I really saw him in his element . We took over the Dunkin drive thru for like two hours on like it was like a charity thing in May , and he killed the drive thru . He was surviving so much time . You're like this in the coffee shop . We're going to have no problem . First with vanilla cream , no sugar . I need two hearts on the fly . First of all , I'm so excited for that . Next thing in your guys , that next chapter in your life with like a little family , run a coffee shop into a martini bar and oh my gosh , it's . Was so excited I will totally fly down there just to come and we'll try and get spayed and sparrows in there . And that's the plan . Yeah , so I'm emailing with the person that you sent the contact Ashley . So isn't in Ben's coffee , Ben's coffee , Caitlin's wine . I mean , I don't have Nick's essentials , essential oils smelling out the place , and I was laughing . My producer was trying to come up like , How do you guys all know each other ? And she was like , Oh wow , this is a lot to take in . Like you and Ashley were on the same season and Jared was on yours . Then you went to their wedding . You had like beer on five of your exes . I'm like , But but I'm like , but we're like , a little happy , weird family , you know ? You know , it's so cool that we can think back to how it all started and where it's at now and then to think of like , you know , what we're all doing in life and bringing it all together in one little martini bar . I just think it's stressful . It's like it's a warm hug on a cold day , you know , it's not . That is very , very awesome . And it's been great that we've been able to keep those friendships for the past six years , seven years now , seven since we found . Holy crap . Wow . Yeah . Is this like week almost world ? Yes . So I feel old every day . Well , that's the problem with filming again is I keep getting older , but they stay the same age like it's everyone's in like their twenties . And I'm just like , Damn , I just you're like , You're like the high school Harry that hangs around the corridors and you're like , You know , I was the Bachelor . I was sick and was like , Do you ? I was that person . Kaitlyn , I'm always mind boggled by the hours and the amount of like , just time that you have to be on when you're part of the show . So like , do you look at these cast member and especially the lead and be like , Wow , I could have only done this at the age of 29 30 . I could not have done it . Now I think about that all the time because I'll be a part of now these late nights and like , because , you know , the first few weeks , there's so many people in the rose ceremonies go to like 8:00 a.m. and I'm like , I am too old for this . How did Chris Harrison do this three seasons a year ? I'm like this . It's it's crazy the hours that you put in and then I think about like , then I'll get a few days off in between . But no , no . The the leads and the contestants , they keep going . There's no time off . It's so draining . There's adrenaline , of course , and like , it's exciting . But looking back on it , we're thinking about doing it now , just like . Reeks of effort , like , I'm like , that's that's a lot . I know we were talking about how if you're sick because we're thinking about Kirstie , Sergio , he's thirty five . I think there is like some sort of additional adrenaline that you get when you're single , like , there's that like single energy . Yes , single energy is a real thing , and taken energy is definitely a real thing . It's a lot lower . I feel that . What do you guys ? What do you think about the Joan Kendall situation that happened on Monday ? It's sad . It just sucks because we're usually in a relationship where it ends . You can kind of put the blame on one person and there's one person that you dislike more than the other . And in this situation , I just love Joe and I love Kendall , and they're just two awesome people that did not work out for a multitude of reasons . Obviously , logistically , yeah , them wanting to live in different parts of the country seems to be the number one reason . And it just sucks . I think what I wish so badly was that Kendall went down there with a different mindset because it seems like she went down there with the intention of possibly getting back with Joe and then possibly dating other people and kind of just kind of letting the chips fall where they may , where I wish she . It seems like she wants to get back together with Joe , and I wish she went down there either solely for Joe , like she went down there and said , I'm only here for you . I want to leave paradise with you , and I want to give Chicago a try because I miss you so much and I'm willing to try this . Or she goes down there like Joe did and says , I think that I , you know , I'm ready to move on and ready to date other people , and that's what I'm doing here . But now it's like this awkward . I still think about you a lot , and I think there's , you know , we're not done , but I'm not ready to move to Chicago . And it's like , Well , what was the point of coming down here then ? I just wish you said , like , I'm ready to move in Chicago . Yeah , or give it a try . You know , if you're going to come to paradise and make this grand romantic gesture for Joe , which it appears that she is . Some people are saying now , I think she wants just closure and date other people . If that's her lying to herself , that's like her , like , best effort . She's like , maybe in an ideal world , I'll be ready to move on when I get down there . But not really . I mean , like , that's just not realistic . Yeah . And then they had to do the tear jerker walk down memory lane . Oh , and that was another example she told wants to get back together with Joe because Joe brought up , you know , Hey , this is kind of weird for us , obviously , because this is the first place that we talked . And then she was like , That's the first place we kissed . And she excited when he brought that up . Yeah , the nostalgia would overpower . Oh , it's so sad . I always root for people to like , get back together . I always joke that it comes from like having divorced parents and having that like like magic . My parents go back together . That's where it's at . Yeah , that's how I feel it to people like they were together and they broke up . And then there's like a chance for them to get back together . I'm always like , Oh , love , like , their love story will be so crazy if they get back together . And then it's like , No , that's he's Serena . His is his number one priority . And and there's nothing wrong with Joe deciding that as well . I just it seems like they were in this weird in-between , you know , because Joe even went back to Serena and said , You know , I don't know if I'm . He pretty much said , I'm I don't know if I'm completely over Kendall , but I want to pursue your relationship , too . And I don't know . I mean , Serena handled it well , but it's just such a weird place to be , and I feel like they all kind of need to either go their separate ways or Joan Kendall really tried to ignite things again . It seems like it's going in the direction that it's it's going to be Joan , Serena and then Kendall just going to leave . Yeah , I think if there was going to be anything more between Kendall and Joe , it would have seen something because we've only like we had four hours of TV practically between their initial conversation on Monday night and the end of Tuesday's episode , and we never saw them talk again . I know that was so weird on Tuesday , I was like , Ooh , what are we get like ? It was nothing . It was there was no , we didn't see anything of Joe and Kendall , and I thought that was so strange after that big Monday night thing with them . It was interesting that five minutes it would have made more sense to us , just like a little snippet of how they were doing living in the same environment because you cannot avoid each other , which is extremely painful if you're in Kendall situation . Oh my gosh , I wouldn't be able to stay . I if , like if I was still having feelings for Joe and that was my ex , I would not be able to stay and watch him pursue a relationship with somebody else . Here we go . Oh , it's opened up a can of worms . No , it's OK . I told Kendall and I was like , I cannot possibly relate to what you're going through because you guys were any actual solidified relationship living together for two years . But yeah , so it's like it's totally incomparable . Yeah , I mean , I . Also understand being in love with somebody and watching them date , and it's just so difficult like we got to , you know , we hung out . John Kind Kendall went on a double date with John Ken doll like we got to see them in their relationship and you just I fell in love with them together . And so now seeing them go through this heartache , it's just it's so much more impactful because we know these people and we know what they had . And that's why I'm with you where it's like , come on . Like , give it a go , give it a try . But , you know , Serena seems super nice , and her and Joe seem to have a good thing going . She is . She's more mature than I am , and I'm friggin thirty six and she's 23 or 24 . I'm like , What the hell , man ? You know what I was disturbed by ? Maybe you would be disturbed by this as well . Do you remember last week the producers definitely fed her a line like if this season was going to be named after an insane album , it would be no strings attached . And I was like , Oh , cute line . You know , it's like I remember where I was on March 21st , 2000 . That was the day that no strings attached came out , and then I was like , Yeah , she was born . Was you born to do ? Stop it . She was to . Oh , no , no , no , no , no , no . That is different . I'm just going to go watch murder , she wrote . And eat dinner at four and then go to bed , guys . That's my life for the rest of my days . I have vivid memories of doing my homework , my sixth grade homework , listening to the album , going to Sam Goody and getting my reserved copy . Sam Goody to sound like the candy store . Yeah , yeah . That is so wild when you think about it that way . Because , yeah , that's funny . You're like , you were two . So who told you to say that ? Yeah , you don't know what no strings attached was . You don't know what it felt like . You don't know the album cover . Yeah , no . And like , you weren't even born when In-Sync had their first album Come Out Holy , you were my first concert and sync was my first concert , and that's a cool first concert . Yeah , my second one was Bush X are like , so random anyways . Yeah . So you know what ? For me , I'm still having a little bit of hope for Kendall and Joe , but . I also am if it's Ken Jones , Serena , that I'm rooting for them too . Yeah , if it's not John Kendall , I need I need either Joan Serena to leave or I need candles because I can't watch this anymore . I know it's so hard to feel Kendall's pain . I got to go to actually make it to the altar . Like that's how intense this love better . 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Find out where you can purchase fizzy go to busy hard seltzer dot com slash vine that's busy hard seltzer dot com slash vine must be 21 years or older . This is off the vine grape therapy . You know everybody loves the love stories of paradise , but everybody also loves the drama and they're like , Demi is just always So what are your feelings on Demi ? Because I like I understand that she is making good TV and stuff , but like , that girl is just a bit of a mess . She knows it , but I don't understand it because it's very contradicting when she says things like she's just there to have fun and she'll do anything with anybody , man . And then she like , but then she gets her heart broken over Kenny , and I'm like , What do you really want ? What does she really want ? She just wants an ego stroke . Yeah , right . In Kenny's situation , yeah . I mean , I think that she wants to make good TV like that's what I think like we talked about . So it doesn't mean that she's not emotionally invested , which is what I think happened with Kenny . I think she just got like a little bit of an ego bruise because she was like , Women , you don't want me , but you know , that doesn't make her a bad person . Like , it's a television show at the end of the day . And I think , you know , she's been through before , you know , she knows what she needs to do to stand out . And it's like , Yeah , she's going to say things , controversial things , and she's going to go after other people's guys and she's going to make a splash . That's what Demi does . But that's why we like watching Demi . Yeah , and like the thing with Demi is she's one of those . Like , it's hard to talk about people because like , we have known her for a few years and we've hung out with her and she's always been very nice . But there's also times where I'm watching her on TV and I'm like , Holy shit , you're like , No , stop this . Stop the hell . Do you want to hear the boom boom room thing in the middle of break up conversation makes me cringe so hard . And then I was like , Oh , that was a drunken comment . She's going to regret that , and she says it again the next day , and I just feel so . I sent so many more cringe year things , though . So it's like I'm the last person to say stuff like this . I literally made a date card for Jared to go on an overnight date with me , like pretty much against as well . So is so like , that's the thing . That's why we loved watching it . Actually , like this is why we love watching Demi exactly go . It's it's like yours is just endearing , though it was weird . But yeah , I don't know . They're just like a whole love square , and I don't even know where to fits in there , or if Tia does fit in there to fit in somewhere more . Because , yeah , I love her on my TV . Yeah , she's funny . She's just got nothing right now , so no bad . It's always hard to see a veteran like a fan favorite come in and then not to make a splash just because they're not hooking up with somebody . Yeah , and it's fine even seeing , you know , Kendall back to Demi , like all the girls that , like , have hung out outside of the show and are really friends and been friends for a long time . They like , talk on the day beds together . I don't know . It makes me feel good . I'm like , Yeah , you guys are cool . Yeah , we're old school like represents you guys . You're still one of us . That's yeah , that's how I mean , I get weirded out every time I see Becca doing paradise . I'm just like , This is so weird to me because it's just the first time we've seen a lead go to paradise . I was going to ask you guys how you feel about that . And I . Let me ask this first . Because you've been on paradise , you know that sometimes people talk before they go on paradise . What is your thoughts on the whole strategy play between the Piper and Brendan and then who's other Chris and her friend , Alana or Elena ? Elena ? Yeah . Like , what do you think about the strategy of coming and do you think people should just like , do you are you kind of like , I get that ? Or are you like , stay home and date ? I'm sure they're going to talk . It's just like , we're living in a social media age . They're going to DM each other . They're going to talk . And it's also like , I won't say any names , but we know people who have talked on this show that have met , met in quotation marks in paradise . And like , sometimes just not , it's never exploited or never talked about . Like , I think more people talk before going on paradise than the audience knows about . And it's just like , sometimes it comes out . Sometimes it doesn't . It depends . If , like , yeah , I've Brennan and Piper are obviously the worst in this situation because they actually tried to scheme something . Yeah . Principal Lina , I think just it wasn't I don't think they schemed anything . I think it was just more . Oh , really ? Maybe I I don't know it just I think they seemed a little bit OK . Never mind that . Oh yeah , I think so . But the piper and I just don't like that . Natasha got so played through that whole thing because she had genuine feelings and he was literally just using the shit out of her until Piper got there and like , totally made her believe there was something there and then was like by as soon as she got there . And I did not like that . And then to say something like , you must've missed , you must have selective hearing or we had a friendship , not a romantic relationship . The things that he said about her having prospects , everything like it was so beyond . So it was rude and absolute central . The play as far as like , you know , them talking about their US Weekly article and how many followers they got from it , like it was just the craziest thing I've ever seen . It was totally different than , say what Jared was saying . I'm OK with people talking before the show . I'm OK with people , you know , DMing and texting a little bit , even like hanging out once in a group setting . I think with these two couples , the problem was they had like made out . And I venture to say in Piper and Brendan situation , they were like dating the yeah , like he she was calling him boyfriend . That is where I have a problem , like finding out the waters and you know , whatever you know , you have a favorite going into paradise is what we're living in a world where we're way too connected via social media for people just to not talk to each other before they go on paradise , especially from back to back Bachelor and Bachelorette seasons , it's like it's just going to happen . But I think the Brandon Piper thing ? You're right , Caitlyn . It just it sucks for Natasha , and I felt like Brendan played Natasha way more than Chris played Jessenia . Even though both are wrong . But it was so weird how aggressive everybody got towards Chris and Elena for the right reason . Like , I get why you're so mad , but like , where is all this ? All this intensity towards Brendan Piper ? Well , OK . First off , they didn't ever hear the US Weekly follower conversation . These , I guess , until this week when it aired . So that made the audience so angry , so crazy , so crazy . Yeah , it was just like it was like some sort of Marvel villains , just like exposing their entire plan , you know , hot . Like in every movie , there's that scene where the villain like for on for an unexplained reason , just like talks about their whole diabolical plan is what they were doing on the day . I was wild to watch because it it also showed us that covering your microphone doesn't work , and that's that . I think that shook Jason because he was always like , Oh yeah , if I said something , I would just do this to my mike and I was like , No , no , that doesn't work . Ruin the sound quality . Yeah . And I just thought it was . It was . It was very fascinating and disturbing to just listen to that conversation . I get so . It keyed out when people talk about followers , it like irks me in ways that I can't describe . I understand it can be a business at this point and numbers mean something . But when you talk about it , like my followers went up like this , my favorite was that they're following drop to exercise episode . The Bachelor data has been absolutely incredibly fun to watch . Yeah , the internet is stays undefeated . I mean , yeah , goes . She gained close to 200000 followers and Brendan lost almost a hundred thousand . It's amazing . And like , there's a see , I don't think there's anything wrong with talking about Instagram followers or making it a business like we all . All three of us kind of went on this show . We're like , I don't know what's going to happen , but you cool . Ever talk about it on camera ? You know , never talk about on camera first . But also like if you're using someone to your advantage to try to gain followers , then sorry , you lost me . Like , if you go on the show and you're like , Yeah , I hope I find my husband . I also hope that I gain a lot of followers , and it would be really cool because you're right , it can be used for business advantages . But if you're if you're going there and manipulating someone to try to gain a following on Instagram , that's gross . That's so true . It's the manipulating it . And I totally understand like , I love having a platform . I want mine to grow because that is my business and you can have a voice and charity work and raise money . And there's so many benefits to it . It just depends on how you're talking about it and how strategic you are and how . I don't know . It is just icky to me to watch , but other people over to get it right and the screwing other people over to get that just , oh , I'm embolden . Couples like I feel like both couples are more in love with the idea of it being a bachelor couple rather than in love with the other person , like with Chris in L.A. and Chris is like , Do you want to leave with me ? And she's like , Chris , I just got here . It's like , Oh , no , oh no , she's going to stay in paradise , overt being with him . And then when Piper and Brandi were talking and they're talking about the US Weekly article and how exciting it was and cool it was , and I was like , You guys actually really like each other . You just do you like the idea of being together ? Yeah , that's that's some deep shit I don't like . I don't know how they can go that deep , like thinking that way because I think right now they just like being a bachelor couple . I think it is . That is what it is . And I don't know . The whole thing was just crazy . And then when people were like , Lena was like , Does anyone want to know what I think ? And I was like , No , I know I was funny . I did feel bad . I was like , Oh God , because to be fair , like , she didn't seem to be doing any scheming right ? I don't know . Yeah , they were definitely like , I don't know . I was . However , she just seemed really spacey . Like , So yeah , yeah . The whole situation in Chris was like , the next few weeks is going to be really fun . And it was like , Now it's not , it's not going to be fun for you . You don't know what's happening back at the house or the island . What do you guys think about seeing Becca on the beaches of Paradise ? Um , it is it is weird , I'm not going to lie because you're just so used to her being . First of all , she is a cat , she's beautiful . She's a great personality . But it's different because , as you know , being the Bachelorette , you were the only one that they're going for . So it's just like every interview is about how wonderful Becca is , and she's incredible . And now it's so weird seeing her on the other side and just kind of , you know , being in love triangles and like going after guys and seeing if they like her and . But I mean , hey , listen , that's the dating world , you know , I mean , if you're single , even after being in The Bachelor or Bachelorette , like you got to go back in and be like , OK , here's the dating pool . Like , What am I going to do ? I got to start . I going to start hitting on people again . How do I do ? This is her going on a date with Thomas blew my mind because I'm like , Here's Becca I like . I don't know who is the Bachelorette who was engaged and out of the game and now back in in paradise , going on a date with a villain from another season . It all just seems so bizarre to me . I kind of wish they would have put her in week one , at least , so that we felt like she was a lead character . Yeah , I wish she was there from week one to . But I also give her a lot of credit because there was The Bachelorette and . A lot of people would have to swallow their pride going back into that and being like , No , I was the lead . I'm not going to go back on to paradise and she's like , No , I'll go on . Not only will I go on , but I won't be there day one , I'll go halfway in . Like , that's . I'll give her credit . I'll give her credit for doing that . Could you have ever done that and did they ever suggest that you do ? Yeah . They asked me to do paradise after Sean and I broke up and I said , No , you could not . It's not that I look down on paradise and go , like , What are these frigging losers regex going on ? No , I don't think that way at all . It's not like , I think I'm above everyone . It's just that I did not want to put myself back in a situation like that because one I don't know how paradise really like . I don't know . I've never been . I don't know how hard it is or easy . It is like , I don't know , but I just also don't thrive in heat . I think I would have just look like a drown rat the whole time . And like , I just wasn't feeling it and I wasn't ready . And I was I was like , No , I can't . And then they were like , Would you be the Bachelorette again ? And I was like , No , now we can talk . Yeah , man . Yeah , that's cool . Well , I could . You're what , Jason and what happened ? Right ? But if Jason wasn't involved , I probably would have thought about . Even though I don't , I couldn't imagine going through that all again . But at the same time , I do think it's possible to find people out of it . I did find somebody out of it , you know , like it was a three and a half year relationship , and I feel like it can work if you find the right person . So you have like just a great group of guys . I just got the . You'd have you'd be comparing that group of guys to the other group of guys . No comparison , obviously . No , you can't duplicate perfection . I'm not . I say it all the time . I think it people say that Katie had a great group of guys . I feel like people are saying that . I'm like , truly , truly , truly . No one will compare to my group of guys . I really don't think so . And I think a lot of people agree with that . A lot of people on the internet agree with that . I know . Yeah . So we're not denying it . We'll just be the guys that get the egg and cheese bacon on a biscuit at McDonald's with a hash brown and a nice vanilla coffee for you , for your pretty wife . OK , I can't end the podcast without asking for a little confession from you both . But in the theme of becoming , parents may be like an embarrassing childhood story , or maybe something embarrassing that's happened between the two of you with becoming parents , I don't know . I mean this . I don't know how explicit we want to get . I think it's not fair . Well , I was going to say is , you know , obviously when you're trying to make a child ? Yeah , it's certainly not as easy as one would make it sound . You know , when you have to consistently try and there's certain times and days , and I'll never forget , you know , Ashley Wood , will Ashley would be , you know , so we would , you know , be alone . And then you would argue your sister's house or my parents house ? Oh God . But we were alone in the room . That's the main point of this story . But you would stay on the bed because you know you're not supposed to get up for 30 minutes . Yeah , there's like you read , all these books like this helps the , you know , sperm travel . I don't really know . But like she would just like have her legs in the air for like 20 minutes . Like , it's like , OK , well , I'm going to I'm going to get out of here . You need x y you laying there . So you just be like , Go get my phone like , Yeah , OK , I'll go , get it . It's the romance out of it . A little bit . It's like funny , because like , you'd have to do it like four days in a row and like , come the everyday Sarah and be like , well , the four . Because like most of the time , you're , you know , it's like you're the fourth day and you're like , you know , obviously we have schedules and lives . And so like , it's like , you know , ten o'clock at night and you're like , we got like , don't forget . And I'm like , Oh , I am exact . I'm ready for bed . I was about to brush my teeth . I know it's like a schedule that you've got to . I'm never sexy , you know ? Jules are not sexy , but that's Hey , what do you think you're going to do when the kid comes ? You got to schedule and sex somewhere ? Yeah , yeah , definitely do the schedule thing I know . And now that our lives have become more open , my mom felt the need to tell me where I was conceived and I'm like , Mom , wait what ? I know that you were conceived with . Yes , that's what I meant . I never told you you or somebody told me I only found this out recently . His mom . We don't need to go through the whole electricity . Didn't go out . Jared wouldn't be here . That's not . Oh , well , that's crazy to think about is crazy . That is true . I like , didn't you know , they could have just turn the lights off ? No . Your mom made it seem to my mom like it just wasn't going to happen . It hadn't happened for a while . Oh , OK , great . Thank you so much . And then the electricity went out and it got sexy up in there . Oh , me too . I was conceived in Jasper , and my mom stood on her head for like 20 minutes after they had sex to make me very much , very much plans . Yes , it's so crazy . And one day you'll be telling your kids , Oh yeah , that what they're going to do is listen back to this podcast . Yeah , I'm going to show them when they're older . I'm going to say , Listen to this podcast as a kid . It's Auntie Caitlin here . I got a story for you . It's always going to be the crazy amount that's just going to be me for the rest of my life , even if I have kids or don't , I feel like that was my title . I even said that in my like , I think I was 18 . I was like , I think I always just want to be that crazy . Like , that's just who I'm going to be my whole life . And I have been so , you know , buckle up , kids , because I'm Caitlyn's coming and I'm getting martinis on a biscuit . That's awesome . I'm so excited for you guys . You're so stinking cute , and thank you for coming on the pod today . Thanks . Oh , thank you for having us so much fun . And I'm so excited for this . Audrey Audrey , a large coming in October . Well , we will definitely be inviting you because , you know we need the clout . Yeah , we need the publicity article . I'll get an US Weekly article going and we can talk about it . No , I'm I'm definitely going to come . I'm so excited for you guys . I think it's going to crush it . And especially Jared with your like your background in the restaurant is is going to help that big time . So , yeah , absolutely be the face of the franchise , and I'll just be behind the scenes with Tom Selleck . Also , Jared is just like , so friendly and personable in those environments . That's amazing . That's that's amazing . That'll that'll be what makes it , you know ? Well , thank you . Oh , I need to come on this podcast more often . Yes , I do . I pump everybody's tires . It's my thing . I like doing it . 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