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Contains sildenafil for men of 18. Maximum dosage 150 mg tablet a day. Always read the label survivor. Connect this body. Welcome to the s**t show. Things are going to get weird. Get weird. It's your fave billion kilowatt hour and you're listening to barely famous. How are you guys? I'm super excited and also nervous for this episode because I love Rob so much. If you have not heard of Rob Basle on social media, she has gone viral on TikTok. She is a civil attorney and she is a practicing attorney. Contrary to popular social media opinions, and she actually had no aspirations to get into law school until practically last minute. So I'm super excited to find out how this whole process went, how it's going, and I want to bring up an iconic transcript that may ring a bell in your minds from my court case, Brianna to Hey, Suze. So I'm just ready for this episode. Very nervous. Welcome red basil. Hello. Why I was so freaking out about you coming on this podcast. I was so excited. Like, in a good way. Oh my gosh, I am so honored and jazzed. You have no idea. I grew up with you, fam. Like I did. That's why you were very boring. People watch like Teen Mom. I was not important at 15. You're two years older than me. No. Wait, yes, I. You were born in ninety two. I was born in 94. OK, so like in prime time. Prime time. OK, middle school. Are you kidding? What do you think we did at sleepovers? Like I was not like sleepover dad. Oh, I did. There was not a lot of parental supervision going on. Oh, come on. Clearly, that's how I ended up pregnant in the first. Yeah, right. I mean, the trend. That's right. Right. But truly, it's like it's just bizarre because I mean, I'm sure this has happened to you a bajillion times just because of what you do. Like, if I would go back in time until my 13 year old self, Hey, look, you're going to be on a podcast with like. Caitlin from Teen Mom. She'd be like. Because you're both in prison, like why like, like what did you do? Like, why would you be famous for that? Like, I didn't go to prison. Well, no, I went to jail. She'd be like, Oh, you pregnant? Wait, that's so funny, because I was reading I think it was an article about you on Yahoo and you were talking about, I'm pretty sure it was the Yahoo like sleuthing on the internet to find out if you're like friends, boyfriends were like cheating on them or something. And I'm like, Yes, you probably would have found out like, who's pregnant? Who's you know, who's not pregnant? Who almost got pregnant? All the things you find out, everything on social media, every- everything, truly. And that's coming from, Oh, I don't know, someone who has a very lengthy digital footprint. I mean, like something like crazy, like people are like, will you post all the time? I'm like, Yeah, but like, I stand by, like, I'm like, you know, blow it up on the big screen. Like, you're like a billboard. Yeah. But I'm like, I'm like, There's no. But also the thing it's not even so much is like people lie about weird s**t. Like people lie about s**t. That only makes sense as important in context, right? Like, they're just trying to like, completely separate themselves from like a specific person. Yeah. Never met them. Never talked to him before in my life. No, I think I just maybe I do. I own a lawn business. Maybe I did yard work for them. Once I'm like, Really? Why did you say happy Christmas to her on her Facebook post from two months ago and said the living room looked great at dinner like you don't. I mean, like, I'm like, I'm like, Why do you think that we're that dumb? Like, you at least delete your stuff like at least make it just deactivate it for the time being? I honestly, I did my first court deposition. Well, you read it in your in the transcripts. For one reason, I didn't get a copy that didn't come with a copy. The full one people submit to me all the time. I had to leave them because that was one of my questions to you is how the f**k did you get that? Because I don't even have it? No, no. So I I like, as you can tell, all of the transcripts that I use, I like have to literally physically type them out again, like like at least now, like with the text function on like my phone, I can like, copy and paste the text from a photo and like, put it in the format do the colors, do the little captions like, it takes me so long, I got that from someone. Screenshot in an article about the deposition. So like, write mice that you think mice you don't. You think I care about my sources? I'm like, No, I'm like, taking liberties doesn't mean I'm like, look like as long as the amount of things that are said, write whatever. And they were like, This is so funny. And I had, like several people, be like, Oh my gosh, like love. Like, that's so funny, like WAP. And I'm like, Well, I have to put it in there and like, I have to. In their thinking thing, though, no one was even my attorney who represented me on that case. Like, I keep her on retainer at all times. You have to love her so much. I think she just like was. She didn't know what the f**k to say or do when Brianna said that, like she was just like. And that's the worst part is like, even if the attorney knows what WAP means, the record doesn't like, we don't know what that means, like you have like you have to tape it out. You quite literally have to like. And the witnesses will sometimes be like annoyed because you'll be like, OK, and where do you live on that street? So like the same street as him? Yeah. Like I said, no queen. Like we need to be right. Like very little thing like, right? And so it's no one's in. We need to be able to create a record that in 50 years someone can understand and maybe in 50 years and we'll be like my mom, what you might find that I will f**king roll over in my grave. I'm crying because I'm sorry. I'm sick any time again. I'm crying because I obviously right. Got it from like an article, right? So I'm like the article that was like reporting on what was said in the deposition, and I'm like, That's really funny. A bunch of people have said, it's me, whatever, put it in the format, all this stuff. And then I thought, like when you invited me on the podcast, I was like. Where did I get that, and I'm Googling every single news article now is like using a screenshot from my video being like, Look at the transcript. I'm like, That's not. I'm like, That's my Google document. That is my dog. I have a Google doc and I put on there, like, where did you find this? Because like, I feel like I almost feel like I should probably print that page. I'll frame it in my office. I would do if I'll do it for you. Are you kidding? I want to put it in. I mean, probably not my office. Your thoughts. So when they found out that you did it, did you have to have like a sit down meeting? So since I started tech talk like it was right when I few videos go viral, are you is your first action going to be to knock your boss's door down and be like, Is does L.A. call me or do I call L.A.? Like, You're kidding? Like, why would I tell them that? Like, that's so weird. Right? And I was right in the first few videos that I went viral for me that I was like, oh, 15 minutes of fame. We're not law related. They were not. It was actually before I took. While I was studying for the bar, I was like 90 pounds and ill. My hair was falling out, but the columns I was so stressed out and so I was making fun of it. Like about like my mom finding my tattoo like funny videos about like being stress, like whatever I'm studying. And I thought, Oh, this is fine, like 40 K like, say, 50 Minutes fame. And then when I started posting, when I became an attorney and clapping back to people in my comments, it were like, I never hire her and I be like, You can't afford a Chicken McNugget through the drive thru babes. Like you can't. You can't support our leg, please. Then you know, it started, you know, it just kind of happened to me, and it got to a point where I was like, Well, I don't know at what point I say, Hey, like, there's this fake persona that I created a nickname that I created. And it's a double life. Yeah, I live a double life, except it's literally me and my personality. Exactly the same. And y'all aren't mentioned, right? Y'all are mentioned. Nothing's problem. I just didn't even want to create an issue. So I didn't say anything like I was like, Why would I say something? My partner, like one of the partners, called me into his office for a case. I was like, Yeah, let's talk about this case. I was like, Oh yeah, like ready to talk about this specific case? Yeah, I'm like, you. I go in, I sit down and he's like, Hey, so tech talk. And I was like. What about it about like ready to brawl, right, because I had already decided that I was going to fight for it in terms of like why it was important to me and why it had become bigger than me and why it was so just inspiring to me to see so many young women, young people, old people, old women, old men like young men. Everyone saying how? Refreshing it was to see someone with a personality who no one hundred percent had long hair, right, and not a forecast bob like practicing law. You know, and as someone who practices law like I am a copy and paste look around like we are everywhere. I am not different. But outside of Legally Blonde. Right. And like how to get away with murder and scandal. How do you see the way to go? How to get away with murder? Yeah. Okay. So good. So good. You know, you don't have that. People just assume like, Oh no, you have to like, change your entire life and do not. And and and you know, I just told my boss I was like, ready, right to like, be like, had this whole speech prepared of like, why? Like, I'm not going to read it. And he goes, and he is awesome. Adore him. He was like, I just think it's so great. He was like, That's so cool. My daughter showed me a hundred thousand six hundred thousand followers. I just can't even believe it. And I'm like this. What's up like? He was like that. And it was, and it was a super the first for my workshop. It was an extremely conservative firm, not in the sense of like politically, but in the sense of like so like, like a lot of firms today, like suit, like not so much like suit and tie every day day unless you're in a specific line of work like, yeah, I'm not in a suit right now because like, I'm just like, you make your dress moment because I'm not going to court. It's like, you know, they don't require that that firm was like suit and tie every day, like, you're there. Eight Like you leave at five. It was very like, very like traditional, which I actually find like, I didn't mind it. It wasn't a problem. But there was some old heads at the at the head of that ship, right? And I'm thinking, I'm going to be fired like, Oh, and the partner was like, And this has been the same copy and paste. Thank God, they're all I've been like, This is my third firm and I adore it every single one when they'd find out or like this one, I like told about it because I was like, Look like this and the vibe they've said, You know, Hey, they're going to be awesome partners or some, like other lawyers here who like, don't agree with it, right? They might be like, Oh, that's up or whatever they were like. As far as we've seen and as far as you've told us and maintained you don't like, right, you're not filming with your coworkers, you're not you're not making it obvious that you are an attorney with our firm. You're not, you know, making these opinions like something that could reflect poorly on our clients or poorly on anyone or not, even just poorly, just like no one wants my advice, someone else's opinions to be copied and pasted to them, even if they're correct. Every time, every single time look like, some people just seem to be wrong on their own. And so. So that and they were like, that's you know, if you maintain that like great, you know, they're like, you do that on your outside of work. Like, awesome. How many lawyers have side hustles, like have other companies like wineries like do random s**t? As long as it doesn't moves, you know, that's so random. I just I live in California, so like, you'd be shocked and kind of like, Wait, what it's like out of its backyard? Yeah, it's like a booming business. I'm like, is it like like his dog s**ts back there? Like, are we sure? Like, I'm not really like sedentary. Like, are we OK? Yeah. No, I don't. I think to your point, my none of my attorneys, I have three attorneys on retainer at all times for different reasons. I have my trademark, my entertainment, you know, family law, and then I have my criminal attorney at one point. But they're all they don't fit the mold. Like, no, there's no. And we have so much surprises me because I feel like growing up, you think of a lawyer and they you don't see their personality outside of work. You don't see them be fine. It's just strictly professional. Kind of like what you describe of your first law firm. Not that there was anything wrong with it, but just that it's very like, This is what it is like suits. Do you watch suits on Netflix? Have you seen it? Of course it's high fantasy, but yes, of course I do. I enjoy it for what it is. Every time something comes out, I want a lawyer. I aspire to be one, but I'm like, I wonder if Rob thinks that that's like, is that even real? Like? Because some of the scenes I'm like, That wouldn't happen. No, but but like, you know, the difference between attorneys, I guess right there as you have experience, there are 80 million types of attorneys that you can be, whether it be area of law or personality. Truly, even just in my trial department, like every partner, is a completely different mold, like it's a completely different experience working for any of them. And it's not like negative or positive. It's just different, different things. A friend group, like when you hang out one on one, it's going to be different with everyone, but every one of your friends. And so like for pursuits, right? Yeah. Like, some attorneys are just obnoxious and would just sit there and be like, pause. That would never happen. And they don't like they can't enjoy the show. Like, let it be a TV show, whatever. Like, I can't do it. I'm like, This is so outlandish. It's entertaining. Like, it's like, it's like, it's like a doctor watching Grey's Anatomy. Like, if you don't like it for the romance and the drama, like you're not watching it just to correct the medical procedures, which I'm sure you would write to your stylist, to your friend. But like, does it suits? I started watching also before I went to law school, and then I started it. I just started it. Sue? Yeah, I didn't know it was that old. Oh yeah, yeah. It's because our girl, Meghan Markle, was like a lead. You know, she's a paralegal and it the became she slays. So she did a good job. Like, I'm on the on season three and she has done a few shows like I had no idea she could act like I didn't even know she didn't mean Kostek address. Yeah, she really fantastic. Truly. I think she's great. And youknow, so she like, she started dating Prince Harry while she was filming, and it was like the later seasons, like they were like wrapping it up. And that's that's what she ended that. Then she quit acting. She was like, I'm out. Well, she said if she ever goes back, I will go see whatever. I'll go watch whatever she's acting in because she's interested in me and you front row just because I love and she's just so lovely and gorgeous to look at. I mean, all women are but like, you know, like, I mean, the close up for in 4K, I would be like beauty felt like back it up. As we get older, our responsibilities and challenges increase, causing stress levels surprise. I can personally attest to that as I keep adding more to my own plate. But prioritizing quality sleep is one of the best ways to take care of yourself. And like, I always want my sleep to get better, and I stopped using the alarm clock on my phone because I kept hitting snooze, rolling over, and then I would just make it harder on myself. But that's where the hatch restore to comes into play. I have it on my nightstand. I absolutely love it. I'll take a picture posted to my story. 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Like, I, my friends, at least like the people closest to me because of course, I asked them. In the beginning I was like, This is like me, right? Like, you know, you have like a moment where you're like looking in the mirror and I'm like, No, this is me, right? And I'm like, No, it is. It is. But I want to ask, you know, the people who know me best and they are like, No, yeah, that's 100 percent you. You're just a little like turning up the volume on it, right? Like, you're just like the qualities and traits that I already have. Like, obviously, for entertainment purposes on TikTok, I'm going to like, make the movements big. I'm going to make the voice obnoxious, like I do not talk and a vocal fry that violently, as you know, right? But then it's like, you know, you right in the judge's day, though, because I feel like everything's so like monotone for the most part. I don't know about civil litigation. I don't know anything about like the civil realm, but it is pretty monotone. So like, I don't know, I feel like if I was a judge, it'd be like, OK, well, a little bit of sass is like kind of entertaining and like, Raise my day, right? You, you know? I definitely like as an as a lawyer just in court, strategy wise, the same way you would present a slideshow at a corporate board meeting. You're not going to talk to your sister the same way that you're going to talk to a board of professionals, no matter how hilarious you are or no matter how you know, like great, you think your point is what you want. Ultimately, the goal is is for the words out of your mouth to be louder than anything else about you. You want them to absorb what you're saying. That's our entire like, right? My I sell my brain for a living right like Freakonomics. The difference between a prostitute and a lawyer. Like different parts of the body. Truly, I saw my brain to my voice. That's literally what I do love you to play through. I mean, look, listen, look and listen, OK? All of the men who are like all these girls on only fans, I'm like, Weren't you like an Air Force Reserve child? I'm like, OK, the government can have it, but because it's your OK, for sure. Got it. Like you're selling your body of the government, like when you go on sale theory. I mean, that's a good point, too. I mean, they don't have any body bodily autonomy whatsoever. They actually can't sell their beer. Yeah. People pay for mine. You work for my brain and my boys and I, you know, so, so so typically and and I've seen it right. I've seen for awful, terrible just wouldn't even spend a penny type of luring in the courtroom, right? All right. I mean, there are a lot of lawyers are out there. People think like, Oh, she's a lawyer, she must be Sbarro. He's a lawyer. He must be smart. Lawyers will tell you, No, that's not the default. It's not the default. You see people who make like very, you know, are arguing the judge. It's outlandish, like they're moving their body a lot, like banging on the table, like boys, like up and down, up or down, kind of like a man like speaks normally you don't even like to read. And it just doesn't hit like it just doesn't hit because you're so distracted. It's distracting. And so anytime I'm arguing, like, if it's just a motion like me, you know me arguing to the judge as opposed to like examining witness or something I'm I don't like. I'm very like at the podium, hands clasped. I'm like. Good morning, your honor. Thank you. I appreciate the time that you've given me today. First, I would like to note as an initial matter that this case should have been remanded to state court. But I digress. Like, like, it's just very like, right, slow and methodic. And I do not talk this test. OK. OK. So you have to. But is this right? But second nature. The judges will give you sometimes like sat you as like they're funny. Like they'll say, You know, I've been I've been to court a couple of times. So of course, of course, you know, you know, but like some great, some judges are known for not being like that at all. Other judges are like very Kaige. They're like, very like, Hey. So we seem to be having a just you and I'm like, I love you so much. I want to get the green light to do what you just did, but I don't think that I have that loving that right. I love that idea. I can't I, the male attorneys that I've worked with are far less. Appealing in the sense that I had to let one go. The misogyny, the complete switch in personality and pompous ness crazy. I love my female attorneys, I love my women attorneys. They're just fantastic. Did you know when you were going to law school who was going to be me, the attorney that would fight with the judges? Or did you were you like a dog? I don't have that the grasp on those people yet. I mean, you know, it is super unfortunate that you had a bad experience with a male attorney, honest to God for all of the I'm not saying anything like that. Yeah, no, no, no. For all of the very valid s**t talk one hundred percent that I just about the the rampant misogyny in this field specifically. And obviously, you know, there's going to be misogyny and sexism in every area that you know, every career, every every line of work that you choose. But I think that unfortunately, there's a bit of an exclusive club for the girl who's in STEM and in the legal field. The way I describe it to people genuinely, genuinely and it's not an exaggeration, it's from day one of the law school. I have felt this. It feels like 20 years behind what every other field is, is in terms of or where every other field is in terms of progressiveness and in terms of right, like like lessening the misogyny of it or like, you know, like certain comments that would be made in the middle of a staff meeting at like a sales company 20 years ago could have been a ha funny laugh and like one person was like, That's inappropriate. And now it's like everyone's very aware. Now we don't say that. But then other sexism, misogyny? Well, it's still there. It's just like more nuanced or like not so overt or whatnot. For whatever reason, in the legal field, it is. I wish it were nuanced, like I really do. I mean, it's just it's so blatant and so rampant. It's never just one guy, you know, like it's like, there's there's there's so many of them. And it doesn't necessarily even have to be a man to which is always like, what makes me the saddest one. You know, there's like another female attorney or a female like like client sometimes or like, we're like opposing party who very clearly is just treating you differently or like, you know, talking to you in such a way where you're like, Let's keep it cool, you know, like, let's let's tighten it up like, I not your friend, I'm not your buddy. Like what? Like, do not speak to me like, you know, like, I'm a child just because I'm younger than you, you know? Right? Come on. But but yeah, no. I like I have for all the s**t talk that I that I have to say about all of that, which is super fair. And I and I absolutely, you know, blast from a speaker, if I could. There are so many mean there are, and I've just been blessed and grateful, so many incredible male attorneys that I have had the privilege of working with or even working against. And I'm not even saying that as like a like I'm trying to include them. If they suck, I'd be like, haven't worked with a single one, right? And what's worth writing home about, right? But truly like it's been, that's been great because I have been very much helped and and protected by so many great male bosses that I've had partners or just other associates. And I think that's just indicative of like the type of firm that I've chosen. You know, like, yeah, I'm obviously not like working with like scrubs like, sorry guys. Like I didn't do terribly in law school. I hate to break it to you. And that's what I said in your intro. When I when I did the intro before you came on, I was like, and contrary to popular belief, like she, she did pass the bar. She did go to law school and she's a practicing attorney. Yeah, exactly. And you know, I worked my tail off. I was in the top of my cla*s. I think I was. I'm like, No, I honestly, the numbers get twisted. It's not even me trying to be arrogant. It's just like I blacked out during that entire time. Like, I was like, barely old person. Yeah, I was into it. I was like, I think I was number 10 in my class of like two something, and it's incredible. And you didn't even want to go to law school like that was never on your radar. No, I mean, I wanted to do which a lot of people cannot relate to, and I'm very self aware of the fact that this is not very relatable and it's so fair. I loved school. I still love my role, unfortunately. Like, I'm like, I'm sorry. Like, I know it's mental. I have a mental illness. Like, I get it. But but the problem with that is I there was nothing that I wanted to do enough to quit school, you know, like I was. I like school so much because I was good at it. I was like, OK, I'm good at. I'm not really a sales gal. Like, I'm not really giving cold calling. Like, it's not really not really fitting my vibe, my around, my moment. And of course, my parents were like, Well, what? It's like, get a job or get a job. And so I thought I was going to go to grad school, get my GED, get a master's in history and like, write a book or marry rich. And here I am now. Get get a master's in history or marry rich like there's no in between. No, no, no, no. It was absolutely always get a master's in history, and either I work or I marry rich like, OK, if I marry rich, I'm going to have a masters period. Because you write early writing, monitoring for love. We're going to have to work, unfortunately. So what was I did read that you got your undergrad in political science? Yeah, but that was also random, not randomly. But for anyone like listening and who was like thinking about law school or anything that track, I knew nothing. I knew nothing, nothing. I don't have parents who were lawyers, not even close, like, not even close, like not even corporate, like nothing. No one in the family, no friend like friends of friends, any sibling I was. Oh, no, oh, no, no, no. I was the very first one to, like have to honestly be what I was academically, my my siblings are very, very smart. But I was just like obsessed with wanting to continue when my parents were like, We got CS. I don't know. Tell you, good luck. You know, I mean, like, I don't know. I think on the flip side, though, so I was like Googling. I have no idea what I was doing. I self studied. But he also thought I like, bought these like al-Saleh Bibles. Like, I didn't know what should have been in my application. I didn't know like what? Like, I was like, What major do you do? Probably something more related. That sounds right. You know, whatever. And then you learn all of the stuff after you already get into law school and you're like, Wow, this would have been helpful to know like before. Why don't we tell them that? And the law schools are like, No. Say you're saying basically what I found out when I got into law school, and I believe that this is consistent across the board. It's not just like particular to my law school. My class wasn't ABA accredited law school, which means like, don't worry, it's ranked like Charlie. She went to jail. No, I did not. Whether you're Ivy League or like the scrubs, which I love the Scrubs majors. Of any person that you could think of who is like, I want to be a lawyer, right, like I'm going to be a lawyer, I am just like everyone else and I want to be a lawyer. They're probably going to have political science major, right? Or like a lot legal studies, major or like like, you know, some English major, which is, yes, that makes sense. Obviously, they chose it for a reason, right? But law schools don't give a s**t what your major is. And I mean, not with my head, toes, knees and chest. You do not learn and I don't care what your major was. I don't care if you interned at a law office for 10 years. Not a single thing that you learn in college or in work, OK? Prepares you for law school or makes you ahead of the game in law school, except for law school. The only thing that helps you in law school are the study habits that you've already gathered and decided work helpful for you or worked for you. You know, like, I'm against your reboard gal on the wall, right? I love like putting signs up that will help you. You don't need anything else. And the law schools know that they're like, We care about how you're going to do academically here. If you can do well academically in any major biology, French like I medication or a math major. They love that. I swear on my life that so many people are like, Oh yeah, I got in like I had, you know, I got hit with fat. Like quite little little words like fashion. I had a 4.0, but then someone else had poli-sci, which is a harder major. And so they had a, you know, a 3.5 GPA and they didn't get it. So they should have just done with it, you know what I mean? So, so my like advice, whatever. Take it with a grain of salt if you want. But like whatever, you're right, if you want to go to law school, if you want to go to law school like genuinely, you know, I if I could have done anything differently, only one thing I would say everything else I I'm I'm so happy with. I would have done history as my major because I enjoyed that major more. I would have like, like, you know, if I'm going to go to college, why not just study what I love, right? If you're planning on going to law school, even if you're like, but I like chemistry major in chemistry major and whatever major you think you're going to get the highest GPA in because it's GPA also GPA, Elsa. And then like your personal statement, whatever, they don't care what it's in, I like, that's what's so obscene. I was like, who didn't who? Where the f**k was this memo? They were like, Bummer. Well, because you didn't have daddy is a lawyer. I'm like, Oh yeah, I had one of my girlfriends on one of my other podcast, and she was a communications major. And then she went to law school. Oh, great. So she's like, and she's a practicing attorney in Texas, so. And I told her I was like, I'm gonna be a lawyer. But I went for communication. She's like, I did, too. So I don't know if I'll get anywhere, but. So did you feel like you can be anything like like, it doesn't mean that that like those majors are like, you know what, my major obviously, I got in like, everything's fine. But like, you know, like, I know everyone who like, like, I changed my major to political science thinking, that's what they want. If you're in a break, you were communication's amazing. Like if you already had that major like you already won the grade. But there's so many people in college who are like, love being in, you know, some random major physics and they're like, I have to change it. No, you do. You know, I'm like, Do not uproot what you've already done. Do you not get get into like, do a harder major and then get a s**tty your GPA doesn't right? Like do. And also, I definitely would have gotten a higher GPA in history because political science damage to economics. It was on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, eight a.m. OK. Needless to say, I was in that professor did not know my days until the final. And speaking of adulting, I just want to remind everyone that inflation is still very much happening, but I have a little bit of a solution here with Ibotta and it's football season two. So that means pizza wings, maybe even some buffalo chicken dip, which Christian makes an incredible buffalo chicken. Thank God. So whatever you prefer at your tailgate, go all out and get cash back on every purchase with a Ibotta so you can still get your football tickets, but you know you're going to get a reward with I bought it right like I bought it gives you cash back on hundreds of grocery items. 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It got pushed on like three times. It was horrible, and that's why I became violently depressed because I have been reciting the same thing. It was horrible. I don't can't even get into it like trauma. That's why I am funny and why I started posting on Tik Tok because I was so ill. Like I was so sick of people and not laughing at your pain. It's just that we don't know how to or not. You can't buy drama that makes us funny. It's the only and what you were talking about my trauma. I have oh, poor, poor, privileged white girl. You undertake a like bummer. I'm like, You have had. You have had it since you were a little kid. You've learned you literally were like, Oh, let me just draw the short straw every time. Like the best the best thing in life ever is ever through you. Was your beautiful child? No, literally. I just told my best friend that I was like, the only like that lit a fire under my a*s. That was the only good thing that ever happened to me, which is crazy because I'm not here to promote teen pregnancy like girl. But of course, of course on know. But I'm so embarrassed. And we plan a or we don't have it. I love it. No, it's just crazy because. OK, so the last you took the LSAT when I was a C, so I did it pretty late. Like, I would not like my plan, right? That's why I don't really talk about it. No, no. I on podcast absolutely. Like, I'm like the people who are listening like absolute like here, they said. The reason why I don't I don't want to get it to like because when it goes out to the general public, you know? Hard, hard to explain to people who haven't gone viral or whatever before, but I'm like, if you really saw like the comment sections, it's not so much like the hate that really blew it. Like, you know, that's like what, whatever? You don't care about that at all. Yeah, it's more like it feels it feels as though 80 percent of the general population all ages. Are in a life that's a that's that's a car wash when they're riding a bicycle and they are wondering why they're getting wet and I'm like queens. Oh, my God. And so if I ever was like, Hey, this is what I did, right, like I took the Al-Sadd very late in, you know, generally. The beginning of my senior year of college, I studied for it. My fall semester senior year, I literally touched down going abroad, almost like lawyers unspun swear on my life, I wish it was more planned. I don't recommend like, definitely right. Like, maybe like I should have like done saved more slots to be able to retake the also, because you can retake it, I think up to like three or four times when like that. Yeah, you know, I was like one and done like. Why am I so early? You were not on the bike in the car wash when you did? No, I was I was in a Porsche with a lead foot obscene. So, so, so I took it. It was like December. It was like December LSAT and your score. And then like you submit apps like February and I got my score and like immediately, it was like, it's a minute. So, yeah, that's what I did, I saw studied, I basically just during that semester, it was actually nice. I do recommend to people who are studying for it. I didn't study for it over summer. Some of them, some people that I knew did. I'm glad that I didn't do it over summer because when I was doing it during class time, all of my other friends were in class, right? Like college, like everyone has classes like during the week, I literally lied to people and pretended like my el-said studying carve out three hours of time like, you know, three times a week, whatever. I was like, I've got to go to class and be like, OK, bye. And like, there's no like what? Like, you don't have cla*s. I mean it because it's summer, whatever. So I treated it, genuinely gaslighting myself into thinking like, No, there's no you can't resurge. Like, this is a class that you need to be in attendance. And it just helped me be more disciplined because obviously I was like having a really great time in college and it was, you know, very easy to get distracted. So it was easy to, you know, anyone's excuse always. You don't want to go out or don't can't go like, jump in the ocean with my friends. I was just, I got a go. So what did your family say they were like? Did you tell them you were going to law school? Yeah, I mean, I when I was studying, I guess, like they were obviously when I was, you know, flying home from from going abroad, which I, you know, funded did fund myself. I was a waitress at Chili's at a golf course. He's over here. So like, I'm actually head baby of Chili's. Most of that s**t's microwaved. I'm sorry to tell you, but I don't even care. I don't even care. I love love. I love you for that because everyone that I've told about that, they're like, I see, it's so different. I'm like, really? Because I feel like it's not really giving find like like, look, you're pulling the back in the way that myself. I still eat it there. I'm like, this margarita was $4. I'm good. Like, give me a chip and salsa like gimme. And the chips are like the chips are in like this big warming thing. They care more about the chips than they do about anything or anything. God bless them. So you were abroad working at a Chili's? No. Oh my god. Oh, I was like, OK, no. In order to pay for like spending money to go to study abroad in Switzerland, right? I like Switzerland to my. Yes. It was so great. Geneva at the U.N. so called diaries. No, there were no hot men at the end of it. I'm fortunately just just me. So it sounds like absolutely fantastic to say that you were studying in Geneva, in Switzerland. Like what? Yes. I leaned into that very heavily on my obligations. I was like any way as a name dropping. Right, right, right. Right. Geneva, U.N., Geneva, U.N. As if I wasn't like barely passing international environmental law likely is, I think, Oh my lord. But yeah, it was great. I mean, I just I really loved it. I went to use this, you know, Barbara, for undergrad, for people who like University of California, Santa Barbara, for people who aren't from California there, it's like UCLA, but better go get their education abroad program. It was the very first year that they had ever offered Geneva like to study at this international and global studies program. It was like harder to get into the U.N., you know, whatever and everyone. Typically when they went abroad, at least my friends at the time were going to like Barcelona and Florence, all these places. And honestly, this is so lame. I mean, every lawyer is a nerd at heart in some way. I love a good party. I shock on a lot of beers and a lot of decks and college for sure, like I was in a sorority like rah rah. I just love museums and I love traveling by myself or traveling without like friends on the way, right? Like like friends that you have to attach yourself to the entire time. I wanted to meet, meet new people in my program who were from other U.S. schools like UC Berkeley or UCLA, whatever who were going on the same program. I just wanted a semester like to like find myself, find myself. No, literally. I say this I love. I just had someone on my podcast that is, she's known for her solo travel, and I was like, my best trips have been by myself. I went to Europe for two weeks by myself. But people that I met there were incredible. You experienced new things. You get to meet new people. One of the girls that I met and going on a tangent. She was doing know I love this. She was a nanny for the the royal family of Saudi Arabia. So I mean, this is so cool, but anyway, continue. That's a no, that's the thing is that is that people assume like, oh, traveling alone, I'm like, Well, you get on the flight alone and you are responsible for only yourself, right? And you can do whatever you want, but you always meet like you have people like you're never alone by the end of it. And for for a broad like study abroad program, you know, it's like it's like, Yes, I was showing up alone. I was like, you know, in my own door, I had to figure out the train, whatever, like, of course, your girl took Spanish up until A.P. Spanish was like pretty much fluent by the end of high school. Where did she decide to go? Spain? Oh no. Geneva What do they speak? French and Swiss, German, French and Swiss German? I don't. Not I. I can't even like I used to be able to say like a sorry, I speak English, you know, whatever. But I apparently how I look as a beacon that I would walk into was, you know, any story they'd be like, Hey, what's up? What do you want? I'm like, Oh, come on, do you don't really? I don't like French. They're like, not even a little bit. No. Oh, or do you want like smoking their cigarette in the restaurant? I'm like obsessed. But yeah, like, I just I just knew they were going to be people on my program. There was only one other person who went on the program from my school, which I was kind of happy about. We didn't know each other. She was like in another sorority. We like tentatively deemed each other and we're both like, Hey, just f why I like I'm trying to do this on myself, like whatever. And I was like saying, Oh my gosh, we ended up being so close, like becoming best friends. Oh my god. It was great. So, so right the entire time that I'm gallivanting, OK, gallivanting around Europe. All right. In very sketchy situations for sure. I slept on the floor of the Amsterdam train station to like, save three euros like I was broke, right? Like, I'm living off the chillis money that really that my parents were like, Hey, what are you doing after? What's it like? What is this job you stick to? Like, what are what's the plan? What's the game plan? And I was like, just like live and let love for live and let live. I don't really know they were like, what? So so I told them I was like grad school, grad school, grad school. Don't worry about it. Like, applications are due till next year. Don't worry about it. And I was I didn't know what I was doing, and they just kept, you know, asking. My dad, of course, has always been like, I want you to be an attorney because I've I've boarded him in arguments since I was two absolutely buried like scoreboard up like he. Yeah, he's great. I love my dad. He's such a girl, dad, like he's he very he's extremely proud of his very assertive daughter, as he should be much, much to my mother's chagrin. She's like, You need to like, discipline her sometimes, like she doesn't have an attitude, doesn't like she's she's kind of a huge b***h. She's really mean, and I'm like, 12, right? My parents are in the corner, like, what do we do? And so my dad, you know, was like, Well, why not law school? Why not law school? And I was like, No, no, no. And then my roommate, my senior year, a few weeks into, you know, me being back from abroad, I saw that she had Al-Sadd books. We ended up becoming best friends and going to the same law school like coincidentally and becoming new court partners, winning every competition we were in. She's now a practicing attorney, my best friend. But we weren't even friends. We barely knew each other. We got stuck brewing together and in our fire house, and I was like, Oh, you're taking the US? And she was like, Yeah. I was like a lot, but you are also a practicing attorney. That's so crazy. No, I love that story. I love this. You should write a book about it, though, because I feel like this. I would be like Legally Blonde, but like real life. You know what I was thinking about that. I know you've written several books, which is so obscene to me because my my dream like my dream always from the time I was 13. Again, weirdo, not weirdo. But just like theory, I was just such a book like just a reader, like anyone who's been a rampant reader their whole life. Consider law school. If you have no other I like, literally consider it. You read fast and you're able to read and read and comprehend like comprehension. That is 90 percent of my job, literally just reading. I always wrote poetry when I was a kid. Like, like, I didn't understand diary entries daily. I was like, Oh my gosh, I have so many poems like, I write poems, I write a poem every day, almost like I point truly just because it's like my own little diary entry. I always felt it was weird. Being like Dear Diary is like, I wanted to, like, make it sound cool and like, she wanted to write your name me and like, I wanted it to sound like a little like title it s**t is wack s**t as s**t with, like with like. But like, very serious here. I mean, like the series like mo t like images like s**t is X, Y and Z and then red mesle. Yeah. And yeah, that's definitely a black list for me, whether it just be like self-published, right? Like, I will read it. What is holding you back? Why haven't you done it yet? Honestly, just because I have a like I want to. If I do it, I would want to. You know. Compile every because all my poems, right, are in like on like an app, you know, like an Evernote app on my phone, and it's like over the course of literally 10 years of not saying I would want to compile them and then some of them are just so blatantly about people and I don't really like just so it would really. It's like, it's like, listen, look and listen. And I just, you know, I think it's going to be something that I do. Yeah, when I feel like I'm in a I'm in a good place. It's not like, in any sense, the word. Personally, I feel like I want to like either have married rich or like married for love, right? Because I don't really write because I want to, like, obviously lie to my husband and be like, they're all the loved ones are about you. Meanwhile, it's like the situation shift from 2016. Who's like, Wait a minute. I disagree, and I'm like, wait a minute. It wasn't about you. It totally was, you know, I mean, I'm like, Hey, take me back. I'm like, Take me back, where are you? So, so yeah, like, I'm absolutely going to do it. Thank you. I appreciate you. I do it because like you, you writing all those books that you have. OK, and like and like what I was just thinking about the other day, I think someone tweeted about it how in the Frick wrecked Cadillac? Do y'all remember with the memoir, OK, the memoirs? How do you remember? I'm like, I can get on. No. Well, see I. But then the whole book would just be like, So my traumatic experiences, I'm like, I'm like, I feel like there was some funny stuff. Like I say, I don't remember any of the good stuff. There's not. I don't remember. Like, I literally don't. To your point about like wanting to collect all of your stuff over the years. Pride over. Pity my very first book that took me years to write because I know would happen and I would remember certain things, and then I would write them down. And so it was just like a compilation over the years of like things, you know what I mean? And so one hundred percent and it's f**ked up. Like, why does the trauma stick out more than the happy times? I don't f**king know. Carl, did you hear that sound? I did. That's my favorite sound because I have Shopify hooked to my phone, and I know that you have. It took two years to, but you love to silence your notifications. You don't hear the nice sound. 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But even then, like, like because I read Jennette McCurdy is that's how my memoir. Yeah, I am glad my mom died. Yeah. And it's so poignant and so just incredibly written and so detailed, and you can just tell it's just in pain. She's writing me from her voice. It's just from her voice. But, but you know, and yes, like you know, every chapter is like a new like day in her life, right? Childhood moving along and all of that, even with the trauma, I'm like. These details are crazy. I'm sure, you know, of course, it took her years and years, but but I feel like. Maybe at 12, she, like, woke up one day and was like, I feel like I'm going to be a memoir early and started like writing some s**t down because there's like, like my sister, I have a Do you have siblings? I don't OK. My sister, thank God, my sister, my brother or sister, older brother. They to this day will be like, Oh yeah, I remember when did it happen? Like, I like, you know, major life event. And I was like, Oh, it's coming back right? And it was like a huge thing. And I'm like, Wow, I really would never have even clocked it again. Like we remembered it unless you hadn't been sitting right next to me going, Oh my God, look at our life. Wow. I always wondered that about siblings like, I wonder about my own kids. They all. They're not twins, right? But they all virtually experience the same type of things in real time, right? But like, are they going to remember it differently? Yeah, I have. I'll tell you that. Yes, OK, my siblings, like siblings and the bureau, I mean, beautiful like pros cons about it. Just like so cool the way I like how different kids are, you know, between between siblings. My brother and I are two, and he's two and a half years older than me. And then my little sister is six years younger than me. So we like we're all in the same house at one point and then like, you know, but spaced out, but very, very close, very, very close siblings. Even though, yes, we were in the same house, the same parents, you know, had the same like days, you know, whatever their great parenting styles obviously differed between the children, for sure. But no matter what we accept, we had different childhoods like we had the same childhood, but we experienced it through a different lens. So it was inherently different, and it's just interesting to like to to kind of recognize that. And you only recognize that once you're older, like once you're much older and you know, it's not even like in a bad way. It's just kind of like, yeah, like, you know, like, I remember this like happening this way and my sister is like, Oh, yeah, I remember, like, I used to go in your room all the time, like you were seen Hannah Montana. And I absolutely was. She was my first concert, but I was like, She's like, And then you would like, Let me borrow your CD player Dada. And I'm like. I don't really remember that being like a pivotal moment in my life, you know, I mean, but it was a pivotal moment in hers. Right, exactly. Sadness, a huge deal. Exactly. Excuse a little sister and she was like, My big sister is like letting me use her music to try. And for me, it was like a one off, right? I'm like, 13, whatever I'm like in my room. It's so it's just so and it's so many things. Same thing with with my sister, with my brother, too, right? Like my, my older brother, just like being my second protector, being so kind and protecting me and letting me like, scream and cry and run in circles around him while he's on the camera going like this, like with his jailed hair, he's like, Merry Christmas. Like his eye is like twitching. He developed, you know what's funny? Did you ever did you have issues with your kids, like reacting poorly to like the next sibling coming so far? No. OK. Except for my oldest son, he is very much like a germophobe. So my little sister is who are. I didn't think I didn't think that was real. I thought that was like a little kid. It went away only as a little kid, like my mom told her because my mom, my sister, goes, It's not my mom's fault. Like, bless her heart. My sister was they were at the grocery store. My sister goes, Mom, what's a germ? And my mom goes, puts her in the cart and goes, Oh, it's like all of these like tiny little microscopic bugs that are crawling all over everything. And my sister, literally, it was like freaked out. And she goes, Huh? And my mom was like, No, no. And from that point on, she would rub her hands raw with hand sanitizer like she was just terrified. That's my oldest son. The only thing that he negative like when my second son was born, he was just like when he saw him. He loved him so much and you could see it on Teen Mom. But he also was like, he's he looks disgusting confusion about. I mean, I got ugly, but like he was more grossed out by like, I think like the crusty hair like that kind of thing. And Vince are gross. Like, I look, I had segments. I mean, I don't. But right, right now, I, you know, as someone who has not yet created a life. God is a woman. Thank you for that. You've created it for you. Look, I don't want to. I want to make waves. But no one is going to love your child as much as you love your child, and no one is going to think your child is as cute as you think. Not so cute. Right? And like, of course, my parents would never, ever admit that there were there was maybe the cutest baby out of the three. And no one. But I'm not saying that because I'm self-absorbed. I'm saying it because I peaked at age three. I looked like a Gerber baby. I had like these big, massive blonde curls. My eyes were this big in my head. I was so like, I was just it just like the matching pink moment. It only went downhill from there. My little sister came out of the womb looking like she'd been through Vietnam. Like, literally smashed her eyes or teared up was in fact dead. She had like a rash on her face. OK, like just just just how great. I mean, look, it was a used womb. It was a used birth ca**l. It already had two passes like, that's so fair. Your name mean. Think about it. Think about it. She got like the slums of the womb, like a said, and she reminds us of it. Sounds like my sister is the reason why all the she I got, Oh God, everyone's like, Oh, you're must be the funniest. I am not even close to the funniest person of my family, my sister and my brother. Take the cake. She's so funny, but she's like, not like my brother and I sucked all the energy out of the room. I don't know about like your kids like birth order. My sister's youngest. And she was like, Well, I could never get a word and all y'all loud, like y'all yelling and loud. So she is so like even keel like Virgo. Like, very like calm, cool, collected. Just like observant. Very dry humor. She won't say a word. And then just like end you with a two-word phrase. Now all my kids are savages. Yeah. Every single one of them. They are savage. I love you. Humble me every day. And I just. That's my sister. Literally my blessing and a curse because I'm not funny. I have to, like, try to be funny. And they're just naturally funny. And so I just love it so much. I don't care. Like, I should punish them for their mouth sometimes, but I can't, because it's so funny. But it's so funny to me. Absolutely. You know, OK, you know the trend on TikTok. That's like, Oh, guys know the like, right? What, how often they think about the Roman Empire? Have you seen that? I just recently saw that. OK, for people who don't know who are listening, like basically, I don't know who did the original right like think pierce or whatever. Like, think talk on this, but just know it's now apparently established that none of the men have told any of us about. They apparently all think about the Roman Empire more often than should be reasonable for anyone interested in it really in any field ever. And it's just a bunch of girlfriends or girls or siblings, whatever going up to like their dad or their boyfriend or whoever and going, Hey, how many times a day do you think about the Roman Empire? And every single one of them, if you look it up on TikTok, they're like a lot like I would say, at least two or three, like dead serious, serious this. And you're completely right. Like, they're like every single day. So, so my sister, it's like an example of her, like humbling me. Yesterday, we were like sitting in silence, like the logistics things, and she's like typing away. She's she's going to grad school. She's great, she's gonna be a child speech pathologist like she's my last thing in the world typing on computer. And I'm like typing away, doing work outside of the edge. Look up and I go out. Remember when I dated that f**king loser, like years ago, right, like forever ago, and she just looks up with all missing a beat still, to me, she goes, That's my Roman Empire. And just keep looking down and I'm like, I'm like, f**k you. She's like, Cosmo, remember? That's my Roman Empire. I like her. I was like eight eight. But then but then I started thinking about it and I'm like, I'm like, Wait, Hannah, I am so many men's Roman Empire. Like, I know, like I know you, I am absolutely sure. OK? I just know, like I know that I look. I think we should start out as a trend like, who was your Roman Empire, who is your? That is a trend. No, you need to start it because you just dubbed it like that. That is my Roman Empire, so you wouldn't have to do it. And I'm going to be the first one to like, stitch it or whatever. Like, Do it next. Amazing trends that I saw. I saw it was like, Oh, what was the girl's version of the Roman Empire? And someone said, Oh, like thinking about our ex-best friend? I'm like, Yeah, that's so fair. Like, Oh, your best friend, whatever. Why don't you think about that now? See it, but I think it depends, it depends like some ex best friends, it's like, right, like that was a good one you could have I could have like a seven year long term relationship with a man and be like, what was his middle name again, like two months later? Like some of my best friends that I've had, like through my life, like 20s, especially if you know, like like some friends that have ended just like kind of just ended like like it was just like time and place, whatever like consumed me. I'm like, devastated, right? Like worse than a breakup with a man. Yeah, because women's relationships are just so much more fulfilling. And I feel bad. You know, I feel bad for men because they don't have as fulfilling. I think emotionally right. Deeply friendships with other men that, like women have, you know, like they had to make up their thing just to go on a walk with each other, like to go on. I told my other co-host that she's like, because we're talking about lesbians, and I was like, You just don't understand that whole. Like, it's just way deeper. Like, if you think about your best girlfriend and then create that in like a romantic relationship, right? Like a man can never compare ever in any way, shape or form. And it's not, you know, what's the word that they call us misandry? It's not even misandry. It's just observation. Like it's giving scientific method. Like it's giving Oppenheimer. I mean, like ice or ice. If I can observe right? And I and I do. And you know, I think, what do you think your I guess and I'm asking you this only because it's not because like my friend didn't tell me that this, but my friend Nicole, immediately when she saw it, I was coming on the podcast. She was like, Oh my god, obsessed. And I'm like, I'll say you as if he even asked. And she was like, So hi Nicole, everything animal lover. But circling back, circling back to like your teens that I'm sure you know you're going to be running from for the rest of your life? Yeah, forever. What do you think is like your proudest decision that you made in your teens starting from like? How are you? 13 to 19? What do you think, society, because other than your kids, because like, that's obvious, right? Like they're going to be. Oh my god, you're getting deep on me. Is this? I don't. Wow, OK. The proudest decision that I made. Jesus Christ. OK. One of the proud ones. It doesn't have to be protest. I won't hold you to it. But like, what are you? What are you looking at? Teen Kale four and going, f**k yeah, and hugging her and going, Great job. I'm so proud of you. Graduating high school. f**k yeah. Because I love. I already had a child, but I was like, my end goal, like I was like, I have to graduate. And then you were talking about you graduated. What college and what? 2017? Yes. And I'm two years older than you. But it took me seven years to get a bachelors degree. So you know what I mean? But I did a light it. You created a life. I sold an alcohol dependency. Like, we are not the same. I think I'm graduating, by the way. That was a joke. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know if people are offended at this point, I just can't like, I just can't do the okay. It'll be rib in rehab, which kind of has a nice ring to it. I mean, it's I can write. All right, let's talk about numerously quick. If you're like me, I just want to keep up with my kids. I want to be healthy for them. And the problem for me is I see all these fad diets and I want to copy them or I want to do them. But it's not sustainable. So when it comes to weight management, you want a long term solution that's going to be sustainable, right? And that's Noom. 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She was disabled, nearly blind and deaf, and Jill had devoted herself to taking care of Wendy. Jill was her best friend, her sister, her everything but the sister. Bond was shattered when Wendy and some of the sisters rescue dogs were found dead in a garage next to a topple over barbecue grill. Jill says accidental carbon monoxide poisoning killed everyone. Police do not believe her. Police arrested Jill Blackstone for the murder of her sister. Investigators think it was staged to look like an accident. Who will you believe, especially now, that a secret source has come forward with evidence never made public before? Jill was a good producer. There's no doubt about that. But would she produce murder? Is the question. Season two of Bad Bad Thing The Blackstone sisters are available now wherever you get your podcasts. I always say, Show me a perfect family. I'll show you a family with secrets. Honestly, academic feats are nobody can take them away from you. No one can take it away from you. It's what you did and. Everyone's academic achievements should not be weighed against or leveled against what we think of as like, right, like the baseline for like what's the most difficult or like the least difficult, right? The most surprising that super hard like we used to go. Like, like you said, no, no. The context of everyone's lives, your personal life, your daily life, the things that you cannot plan for, the variables that are thrown in, thrown at you like whiplash. Just making it through high school intact and studying and getting grades and doing everything that people who have nothing better to do but be teenagers and go to high school literally feel like it's I'm so that's I mean, I wasn't like judging your answer, but oh no, I didn't think you were judging. I just I didn't know what I didn't. I wasn't prepared for that question. But I do think that was like a monumental moment for me because I didn't know if I would go back. I mean, because I had my son in the middle of my senior year. So I just didn't know if I was going to like what and what I mean. Yeah. Oh, I watched. I was there when. No, truly, I would just never more inspired than when I entered law school and looked around the room. Yeah, and saw and I, it wasn't like, Oh, look, you went to like the Virgin Scrub lot like, you know, the left of my school. I'm like, I went to a great interactive school with people who worked their asses off to get there. There were single moms there, and I'm not just saying this as like, Oh, there was one single mom in a class or whatever. I was the minority in the sense that I was one of the few, maybe like five five people and like my little section. And then it's like two hundred sixty class was probably like, what, 30 40 of us that had gone straight from college like that directly to twenty two went to college and then 20 to start. Like I started law school literally at twenty two. I thought, Oh, that sounds like like the normal track, you know, like, I don't know, I was trying to get it over with like, whatever you roll up and they're like, Hi, baby. Like, they're like, high. You're so little and like, watch your mouth like, you know, I mean, they're like, Oh, you look like you look like, just came from a frat party. You look like you're going to fail this exam. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was shocked, but like, it was so lovely, honestly, because everyone asks me thousands of times comments all the time, like, is it too late for me? I'm thirty five. Like, you know, I just quit my job or like my kids. I just had a baby. Or like, I'm literally I just got pregnant and lost. What do I do? There was a woman who had, I like, literally can't. There was a woman in my law school class who had her g*****n baby and literally posted a photo of her with her laptop during law school actually had her baby during my school with her laptop like open, like during like labor. And she was like a full beat, like full beat, like lashes on, like doing the damn thing. I'm like, I'm like, and she graduate. Like, She's like, She did what? She did it. And yes, it kept arresting the horrible, horrible in the sense. Like it was. It was so hard. And yeah, I have emotional, you know, the discipline people support, love support. But but honest to God, like I was a T.A., you know, like teacher sister when I was expecting her third year and it was you drop any judgment or assumptions based on age because like, I could never guess anyone's age. I'm like, You could be 40 or you could be twenty five and you would, you know, you're still younger than me in school. So he doesn't, you know, it doesn't matter to me. I don't care. And they would, you know, they talk to me like, they're like, Oh yeah, I have a wife and seven kids. I'm like, I thought you were, you're twenty 26. You will fit right in. I'm right. I mean that in the sense that like, you are not going to be like some a red herring like, like everyone, look at her. Like, My God. Yeah. Like when you do it. Thank God for our legal field being becoming diverse, becoming more diverse. It is so. Milk, cricket, pasty, white, no purpose flour, it is so white men across the board, and they're always like white women across the board to the extent, you know, obviously women, yes, sexism rampant, but like better to be a white woman than it is to be. I can't even imagine, like, truly right? No, I'm an off color. Yeah. Or it's like truly. And I consider too in the legal field, absolutely a to be diverse is to also be. I mean, yes, everyone's going to dovrebbe, but like, you don't you don't get it like to be diverse is not only to be a woman, but also to be like Jewish. There are still. Still, discrimination based on that in this field, even though, right? The stereotypical jokes are like, oh, like Jewish attorneys, oh no. Like they experienced that. Also, single moms moms who get pregnant and want to make partner. But the maternity leave is so awful that they write, like literally have to choose between having a child and raising a kid over. Yeah. But I, you know, like, obviously, not every firm is like that. They God, but it's just so like inspiring to see such a wave of people come in with me back. And, you know, we graduated in 2020. Those people are all practicing now, right? They're all out there like or they're not practicing right? They're they're lawyers like, they got their JD like amazing. It's just, you know, strength in numbers, power numbers and also strength. And eventually certain demographics in power are getting a little girls right. Yeah, they might be kicking some bucket soon, which will be great, which will be good. But we're like not to brand anyone's downfall, but that might be a pivotal moment for everybody. That's my thing, is that people like your age. I'm like, No, I'm not. I'm a realist. Why in the first party? Why would a man who got to vote on desegregation of schools at 30 back then still gets to decide? Now, get to decide whether or not a woman makes partner. Something tells me you can't teach an old dog new tricks, right? Like, I have no interest in educating these people when when it's to the right, like when they're like you. Everyone has a family member like this, right? Like old grandma. Like great girl, right? Like, she's never politically correct. Like, you know, you're not going to get into a think piece with your grandma at the dinner table about why her making a comment is inappropriate, right? You just drink your wine and say, Oh, that's nice, grandma, and like, keep it moving. That's how how I feel about about the very, very, very old attorneys in this field. Some of them are fantastic. Shockingly, one of them was pushing 80. My adore him. Well, he was like, he was like, I just love women in this field. Y'all are smart. Y'all are better. And I was like, Yeah, I'm like, Man, this man we like and look like. I was also like working on his cases, like, definitely prioritize his stuff for a reason. But, you know, like it's all to say that that you can do it. And it's not just cause I blow smoke. If I didn't think you could, I'd be like. So we thought we should cut this part. We don't need to take a paralegal that's, you know, you stop the career right there. People start practicing at 40. Like, I love acting literally. So, you know, and I think, you know, why not get yourself some of the legal skills that you and your four attorneys have have? They know each other, unfortunately, but I know, I know, I learn something different from all of them, and I love that. So, you know, I because I do, I do like some trademark stuff. So I'm like, Oh, a completely different like I do. I do it when I when it's not like, like, yes, like we do like the registering thing. But like, I think it comes to like, Oh s**t, like someone's challenging it, whatever they throw at the trial. So I'm like, Hey. And I'm like, Thank you. And like, you know, figure it out. But then it's like trademark way different than civil and different is completed in an IP. It's like, you know, like geeks and things like that. So have an entertainment. Oh, my goodness. Like, Well, that's my internet. My favorite attorney of all time that I've ever worked with is my entertainment attorney. She is fantastic. Yeah, they're great. I mean, I got my own entertainment attorney because I was like, Yeah, I didn't go, Do you have to like this point yet? Because because people are like, Oh, you're an attorney, that's so great. You can like, look your own stuff. I'm like, Do you think that I want to put my life in my hands when I already like? I am paid to have anxiety over other people's lives? I don't have time to have anxiety for my own. I want a fresh pair of eyes on this. Yeah, I don't want like I want. I would lose. Like all I want to do, I'm like, I'm an attorney. I would love to pay someone to do my job. Like, literally as I do for other people. And so I, you know, in entertainment, law is very like me, as you know, like it's in the sense that, yes, I could do it. But like, I also know you have to get stuff as you go. You have to practice quite literally practice like, you know, what's like, like normal in the industry in terms of like contracts and like all the stuff. And so, you know, I trust her with my life. She was also like, stunningly beautiful, gorgeous, like, look, I was like, So you don't model why? I was like, Oh, she's like, Are you a model and an attorney? I'm like, You could do both at both. Oh yeah, she was great. So that was like my first like, she'd yeah, help me out. And now, you know, now I have an agent who can do that for me, right? And honestly, my lawyer skills just come in handy, mostly against like clapping back against men online. Well, can you clap back to some men that comment that come for me as well? I'm not as good as clapping for free. I will. I will like negative dollar like you. I will Venmo. You just to have the chance. Just a little bit. Well, I am not. Like, it's also like, you know, the dudes in the comments, like we're talking to each other, like go somewhere, go. I'm like, You are legal to problems trying to make a meal like, let's like bring it somewhere else like, oh, like. I said I had, I think, a post of I don't know, I was like some dumb, you know, like the freshman at the got like some misogyny, you know, like a man with a bad hairline podcast who was like, when he said something, he was like, women are females are deceptive. Like, their nature is to be deceptive, right? That you don't know when they're on there, period. You don't know when they're in heat. He literally said, you don't know when they're in heat. So like, you don't know if they are attracted to you or not, like you have to play the game like women are going to lie to you. I, Stitcher and I was like King. Just because the inside of your skull sounds like it's an Applebee's hot. The heat a skillet doesn't mean that anyone is in heat around you. OK, I know it's buzzing in there. You can barely get a word out. You know what? Like, imagine. But like, imagine a man looking to you down the eyes and be like, I don't know when you're in heat, OK? Are we hedgehogs like we are? We stray cats like, I don't know what's going on here. Just for people who don't know who you are. Where can people follow you so they can go? Follow your TikTok, Instagram, wherever you whatever you want to plug. You can follow me at Red Mesle on TikTok RB as well. It's the same handle for TikTok, for Instagram or Twitter. I have a podcast called The Rebuttal Podcast. It is my lord. It's my baby, my child. 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