Steve Sits Down With Paul Heyman Part 1 - SAS CLASSIC

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And action. Happy Taylor Swift tortured lights of the tortured poet. Day, I cannot. T Life of the TTPD. It's the only it's the only thing that I've been saying for the last, like, 72 hours. TTPD, TTPD, TTPD. It's very fun. Happy Taylor Swift to the I can't. Tortured po. Can you just say it, like, for real and not the actual The tortured poet's department. Okay. The tortured. I I forget the I just wanna go straight into, like, tortured lives of poetry, but okay. Regardless, happy Thursday. Happy Thursday. You guys, I feel like we can just start right away with the Taylor Swift of it all because, like, I have nothing to say say other than my travel day from hell. And it was like, it's the same the same thing that I told you guys last week is happening again this week happened again this week. So just like all I did on this plane was listen in preparation for this episode. Hey. How are you? Hey. How are you? I agree with you. I like that. Not like we were gonna come on and talk TV anyways. No. I'm kidding. I mean, I watched Curb. I finished it. All glory be to god. But let's talk the album. I'm ready. You and I have different experiences. You probably got through all 87 songs. I did not. Kinda mad at her for it. Not gonna be super mad, but don't love the fact that what are your thoughts? Like, you know I got the 2 kids drowning no. Sorry. That sounded really dark. Sorry. Oh. No. I know what you meant. You know that I'm you know that I'm drowning in the life of 2 children, so I just wanna know when and where Taylor thought, like, us mom and gals were gonna listen, but, like, talk to me. Okay. Well, to that point, it's a lot of songs even for someone with no children because Okay. So it came Tortured Poets, the TTPD, came out when I was in Arizona. Thank god. Because I didn't have because I could listen to it at 9 PM. So I was like Yeah. Okay. We got back from, like, the welcome party. We're ordering room service. I'm playing it. I'm like, Bobby, shut up. Like, you've got to stop talking. I'm trying to listen. And then I'm hit with another x amount of songs. So there's been so many songs. And to be honest with you, I I think I was so overwhelmed the first time I listened to it because I was just trying to, like, get through them all. Of course, you were. Of course, you were. And, you know, we can get into, like, each if we want, but, you know, I want to preface full disclosure. I have not listened to all 31. I've listened to maybe 8. I'm coming I think we're coming at it from different places, and I wanna tell you why. Okay. Take yourself back to. The Internet did with it. I hated what reels did with it. I wasn't into it. I felt the way you're feeling or the way you did feel. I felt like I was trying to get through them and I just couldn't. Cut to me the next day after the album dropped because it took a day, kind of loving where we're at. Like I actually am very pleasantly surprised with what I was hit with because I still had midnight ruminating in my mouth. You had the marinating. Yeah. No. No. You had, like, the aftertaste of midnights. Yes. Yeah. I I I agree with you on Midnights. It was a very upbeat album. This is not nothing like Midnights. But, to be honest with you, oh god, I hate when I do this. I just wiped my eye and I forgot I had mascara on. The first couple listens, I was kind of, like, on it. Yeah. And then the more I talked about it with the girls, the cousins on the trip, you know, it was very exciting. I catch up at the pool the next day. We were all like, okay. So let's all go around and say what our favorite songs were. We had so many Carolyn, my cousin, oh, future cousin, was naming a song that I had never heard of. I'm like, oh, then I didn't get to that. Like, I had a very different experience. But as I as I have been listening to it, I'm enjoying it more. But I will say, I think I went into this album thinking that this was gonna be some revenge story on Joe. And, like, I felt like we were gonna have all the answers as to why her and Joe separated. And I don't and and that's not what we got. We got a hell of a lot of Maddie Healy, and I'm just like, woah. Woah. Woah. Well, I do wanna just point something out for you and those who may be feeling the same type of way. Upon listening to the album, it hit me very quickly that we are dealing with a dark, troubled, angry, and mildly depressed woman. And so, if you aren't enjoying the album, let that speak to you as a human. You're in a great place in life right now. I myself am not, so I'm very much relating to this angry, scared, No. I'm kidding. You know? Let's not laugh. We can laugh at that. Honestly. This is no no. This is not your, like, booty bopping pops. I don't know why I said bootyboppin', but you know what I mean? This might be one of her, and I mean, I'm a Scorpio. She always gives me Scorpio energy too, and she's not. She's a Sagittarius, but the way she writes s**t, like, the way she will not let go of a grudge makes me gives me Scorpio vibes, but I wanna say, this might be Reputation was mean in a different way. Do you think she's, like, in her mean era and, like, love that? Okay. No. I do not. In fact, I think the opposite. So reputation. Not it it wasn't like it was mean, but it was like, I'm getting revenge. I'm pissed off. And Very much. I'm gonna let the world know how I'm feeling. This whole album, the double album, what are I'm just let's just call it the whole album because it is. Yeah. I mean, it's not, but you know what I mean? It this to me is like she's getting everything off her chest for the last that she's listened that she's dealt with for the last 10 years, and it's now gonna be vaulted up. And she's like, I'm done. We're moving on. Let's go to a new chapter. So you think it was kinda like the word vomit she had? I felt like it was like you know? And she's been writing this album, you guys. Let's not forget. She didn't just start writing this during the heiress tour. This has been an ongoing album for years. Okay? Yeah. So I think it was just like, I'm gonna get every possible thing off of my chest, and you guys can digest that how you want. I wish we had a manual as to who each song was about, because at the end of the day, I keep seeing all these conspiracy theories. We have no idea who the who who be we don't know who she's singing about in each song. Yeah. We don't make accusations, and that's what she wants us to do. But at the end of the day, music is subjective, and we're not supposed to be listening to this album trying to pinpoint if this was about Harry Styles or Jo Alwyn or Maddie Healy or Travis Kelce, although she wants us to. That's not necessarily what we're supposed to be doing. Like, we're supposed to be listening to it and remembering our past lives, I e, the black dog. Turning off of the locations. Holy s**t. I've been there with my ex boyfriend. Like, that Natalie's spiraling. I'm spiraling. Like, that is why we listen. No, and you're completely right. And I wanna say in our defense, yes, I think something that I did this album is I just went into it as music, right? I can't tell you who one song is about. I don't understand any of this. I don't really care. I'm I'm just I'm actually enjoying the melodies, the the lyrics. Like, I'm enjoying where we're at. But it in our defense, like, she taught us to read into her music. She taught us to be this way. So, you know, I would like to say, yes. I wish that you could go into it not caring who it's about, but it's hard, especially when, you know, like you said, you know, I'm not on the talk, but there's a lot going around, and it's hard to focus oh my god. I've always said this about her and Travis. Like, I think their biggest fight is him saying, you know, it's not that deep and her being like, yes. It is. Like, it is that deep to her, and it always is. But sometimes I wish her songs could just not be that deep, like, for instance, not to, like, get into songs, but like Florida. I don't really think it has any meaning. I don't know the point of Florida. But, like, I just like to I know I know it's not your favorite, but that's a song where I'm just listening. I'm just mindlessly listening, and I'm grateful for that. Because sometimes, All Too Well, it is a little hard to listen for 10 minutes and really hone into, like, what actress in the bathroom? And when did your dad see you at the front door crying on your 20 you know, sometimes turning 21 is not fun, and music's supposed to be fun. No. Yep. No. But I no. I I don't think it's supposed to be fun. I know what you're saying, but sometimes you just wanna listen without all the extra noise surrounding the song. And I will say I erased TikTok. I have not gotten it back. Proud. Just because I wanted to listen to it and try it Like raw ears. Yeah. Like, try to understand it. Then I keep hearing on your own. Yeah. I keep you're on your own kid. Then I keep hearing I was gonna say that. Then I keep hearing all these things about Maddie Healy. So then I read this, like, vulture article. Yeah. But so much of this album and I was listening to it. I'm like, you know what? This is giving me Mattie Healy vibes. Like, the smallest man who ever lived. Okay. That's what I kind of meant by, like, kind of the meanest thing. Like, if you don't know, I didn't know he was in fact a small man. Like, this is a teensy, teensy man. And then she wrote a song called smallest man, whatever. But that's a question I have for you. Going into this, I I'm listening to it, and I'm like, I'm not really getting, like like, golden retriever covered in tattoos, you smoked, and you asked my friends for drugs. Like, it wasn't giving me Joe or what I thought of Joe. So that's what I wanna ask you. Like, what about this made you kinda switch and go, oh, okay. So we're this is not about Joe. It ain't about Joe. Joe, we did not do it. I just I don't know. It was, like, the first couple songs. Obviously, so long, London. By the way, that was the only song that she completely wrote on her own. So oh my god. That song. I just was listening to it, and I'm like, okay. When when I went into this album, I knew we were gonna get some Joe, and I knew we were gonna get some Maddie Healy because it was just so rogue. Remember when she was dating him? Like, I I didn't I had never heard of the 1975. But It was 2 months of just odd, like, making out around New York paparazzi shots. But yes. And then, you know, he was at her show, and they would write music together there. They were always seen leaving the studio together. So I was I knew we will get Maddie Healy, and then the more I was listening to it, I was like, okay. Specifically, the smallest man who ever lived. Because to your point, I'm like, there's no way this is about Joe Alwyn. Like, I'm sorry. I don't know I don't know this man, Joe Alwyn. I've never met this man, but he does not strike me as this type of man. I don't think she would have been with him for 6 years. References on on the album also to, like, drugs and pills and alcohol. Like, it just struck me as, like, not not Joey. No. Not our Joe. But Yeah. I just I was listening to the smallest man who ever lived, and I'm like, holy s**t. Like, I think this is the meanest song she's like ever written. And then I got to thinking, she just wrote a really mean song about a guy that she dated for, what, 2 months? No. That doesn't seem like her. And then the Internet sleuths, they kinda came in and they presented me with some facts that I didn't know about, I e her old Tumblr, her old tweets, old photos of the all the different references, her wearing a 1975 TV, 1975 band shirt after he wore the 1989, and then they, this was right after her relationship with Harry Styles. Mattie Healy did a cover of That's What Makes You Beautiful, like, the day after her and, Harry broke up. Like, just all these little references and, like, listen. Oh my god. If Taylor Swift can escape from our eyes for 6 years, basically, or if we can, like, only find 5 photos of her and Joe Alwyn together and we've scoured the Internet, There's a lot of s**t that probably we don't know about and guys she's dated, etcetera, etcetera. So but no. I mean, I I I No. I'm just very happy, and I'm pleased that this wasn't some revenge album on Joe because that's what we all thought it was gonna be. And listen. When you date somebody for 6 years, like, there's there's gotta be some respect in there unless it ended with some horrible cheating or some horrible situation. But I think she respects him, and he respects her, I e her caption that she wrote. Like, her caption when she released when she you know, it was her first Instagram once the album was out. She's like, I hope you all enjoy it. All of, you know, these poems and and stuff are now boarded up. And upon a lot of realization, I realized that the a lot of it was self inflicted. Like, she was also taking blame. So I appreciated that because I was like, Joe, what did he do? Yes. Agree. Two more questions. Joe's listening to this album or he's not? Yeah. But, like, Joe's probably listening, like, with, like, a feathered pen and is, like, writing down or you know what? I guarantee you he, like, wrote her a letter or she wrote him a letter, and he's, like, congratulations on this album. But, like, a 100%. He's they don't strike me as enemies. No. No. And I think you're right about that. Second question. She listened to this at midnight in bed with Travis question mark. Because, like, I gotta be real with you. I'm sorry. Loss of my life, love of my life. Like, I'm not laying in bed next to Ty as he's singing these words about someone else. Sorry. No. No. No. Like, I literally was thinking that I could never date Taylor Swift because all I would do in that relationship is go back and listen to every single one of her songs, wondering who she was singing it about, comparing our relationship to her previous relationships. Like Yeah. Absolutely not. But you know what? Travis has no option because he has to sit there and support her and enjoy it because he knew what he was signing up for. She's not writing songs about dogs. She's writing songs about her life. At the end of the day, those stars, they're just like us. Right? Like, he they've got it's gotta be a conversation. Like, I don't care who you are. Like, if you're listening to the things that she's saying about a man she dated, like, months before you, I don't know. I love it for her, like, d gaffe, but I'm definitely, like, not me thinking about Travis's entire No. Album. I know. Like, is he okay? Does he know that this is, like, how we do this? Like, this this has he Yeah. This is yeah. Like, is he familiar? Like, I know that he knows the words to shake it off, but, like, we also go deeper. We go way deeper. Yeah. Like, shake it off, and daddy, I love him. And the black dog, like, I don't think Travis is really ready for the black dog. No. And you know what? On on the note of the black dog, this is why I love Taylor because I often think of her as, like, some, like, alien that, like, isn't a human, but writes these insane stories, and she's got all this like, she's got all the cool friends. She's all boarded up and protected everywhere she goes. Mhmm. Then I see the line like you forgot to turn your location off, and I see you walking. And I'm like, god. They she is just like us. That's why we love her. That's what I mean. That's why we've grown up with her, and we're like, listen. At the end of the day, she's the biggest star in the world. She's got everybody following her every move. She has us all in the palm of her hand, but then I hear these little lyrics that she sprinkles in to to these different songs, and I'm like, that that is why Yep. We love her. And that's why we can understand her because she's still, at the end of the day, is just a girl. No. Natalie, let's not kid ourselves. The reason why we love her and understand her is because she's just a basic causing a scene gal. She loves her mom in high school and refuses to grow up. I mean, she literally is one of us. I mean, the girl thinks about high school more than we talk about it on the podcast. I I'm I love that for us. Like Do you think she talks about high school because she didn't really get to live the normal high school life? Because I hear the song about her and Travis or, I mean, I hear the high school song, and I'm imagining that she's singing about Travis because I don't really see Jo Alwyn as, like, being the guy that has everybody over to watch American Pie. I just don't. Okay. So that to me is Travis, and I'm like, god. She's so happy and in this, like, new exciting like, everybody wants to be that. Everybody wants to have that. Like, oh, I feel like I'm at high school. I'm dating the quarterback. I'm this and that. You know? I I feel like she sings about high school because that's where her peak came from. Like, that's what she knows what to sing about. Right? Like, she doesn't know she doesn't know love like high school love. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, all of her rise to fame was based off of writing about high school. So I feel like it's just, like, dare I say, homey and cozy and, like, she is the ultimate homesick vibe. No. Like, if homesick were a person If homesick was a person, it's Taylor Swift. And it's like, when I see her posting that little thing of her, like, sewing something, I'm like, oh my god. And when I see her kitchen and when I see all these little things, like, can we discuss, like, why was it so cool seeing her workout? Like, in a little montage she posted, like, she was in her, like, booty shorts and, like, ankle weights. Yeah. And, like, wait, you do that to you. I do that. Like, she's No. That for me, it didn't hit for me. That was like sing a teacher out of school for me. Like, that was not meme. No. That that's what I mean. I was like, she knows what a ballaband is? Like, that's that's the I wish she would I love that she doesn't give us that all the time because when she does, it's I watch it 95 times. It hits. No. I like It hits. I wanna I wanna ask you about songs. Okay. Was there a certain song that made maybe felt forced? Just like throwing that out there. Like, do you feel like some of the songs we could have done without? I mean, like, yeah. There was a couple lines. Like, I I didn't need the, like, Charlie Puth line. Okay. But I felt so seen justice for Charlie Puth. Like, I'm sorry, but I agree with you. What was I we ate chocolate and talked about Charlie, like, question mark? You good, Charlie? Maybe she knew that line was stupid, and then that made her reflect on her relationship and that she shouldn't be she should have never been with Charlie. She did. Maybe she did. I felt, I felt that with a couple lines where I was kinda like, Okay. There there was Not my poetic artist, but okay. There was a song, though, that when I heard it or when I saw it, I was like, uh-oh. We're going back down this path again. Speaking of high school being petty. Thank you, Amy. Okay. Okay. That Allegedly, the world is saying about Kim k. Right. Then I'm listening to it, and I'm like, g*****n it. Are we going back down this path again? She was just on the cover of Rolling Stone a couple months ago. She brought it back up in the interview. Like, I was like, wow. Wow. Wow. Then I was listening to it, and I'm like, okay. Well, if you actually listen to the words, like, yes, it's like, petty and mean, but then she this one line in it, she goes, and I can't forgive the way you made me feel, screamed f**k you, Amy, to the night sky as the blood was gushing, but I can't forget the way you made me heal. So, again, it goes back to my theory about she's just all the s**t is gonna be behind her. And she's like, okay. This is my last time discussing this, but it's like, it's just been a very long time. And still, I and I've watched every theory, and I there's there's gotta be more stuff that went on between Kim and her that, like, we didn't know about because Well I don't know. It's just weird. It's not a mathing for you? No. No. It it is. And, like, I understand it. Like, they, like, staged this phone call and, like, they, like, cut her out and then the snakes and then all of that. And but then then we covered that with reputation. So now we're Yeah. We're opening up the grave again, but then I saw this other theory that was, like, Amy is or something with the girl that Joe was filming the movie with, and then that's who Amy is. Like, that type of stuff, I just was like, okay. Wait. Then that makes a little more sense. But then again, can we also remind ourselves that Sabrina Carpenter, who is on tour with her right now, did a SKIMS campaign. Britney Mahomes, who is in her circle, did a SKIMS campaign. All of these people that are in her life are doing these SKIMS campaigns, and maybe it's her telling us, like, yeah. They're they are their own people. They can be friends with whoever they want, but me and Kim, never happening. Never ever ever will happen. I kinda felt the same. I'm like, we don't need this. Then I listened to it. I actually enjoyed it. Kind of just like a high school bully, you fuel you know, haters fuel me. She did say something about, like, a spray tan. No. Like, there's a statue spray tan bra. I'm like, oh. That was a little much. But I go back and forth with my girl because for so long, it's like she's perfected the art of being so literal and so obvious while not being obvious at all. And I know that doesn't make sense, but she never likes to make it too easy for us. Right? Like, she wants us to get it, but she doesn't really want us to get it. And it makes me it it takes me back to, like, the Dear John era. Right? She got this is no slight to her. That album blew up because it was like a John Mayer hate album. Right? Everything what we thought this was gonna be about Joe. Right? Everyone's pumping it up. It's gonna be about John Mayer. It's gonna be about John Mayer. Okay? And she let us think that, and she was fine with us thinking that. And maybe it was a dear maybe it was a John Mayer hate album, but it seems that as the years have gone by, it really wasn't about John Mayer at all. You know, she lets us think things. It it honestly takes me back to, like, housewives when Kyle Richards said that playing chess with Lisa is like playing with Bobby Fischer, like, which I don't get I don't expect anyone to understand. But Taylor knows what to do to make everything fall. Right? And she's not gonna stop it. She'd be the best housewife because without pulling anyone's strings, everything that she wants to happen happens. No. No. No. No. She would not be a good housewife. She would win traitors in one fell swoop. That's Wow. That is what she would be thriving in. Because she's never gonna be in your face. She's gonna be behind the scenes, and she's gonna be and you know what? Rightfully so. Like, I like a woman that doesn't stand down, and that is just like No. Totally. Like, yeah. You just want to laugh because it's like back and I'm trying what I'm trying to do is make a point about the Kim thing. I wouldn't be surprised in 15 years if she came out and said, oh my god, you guys. That that song was about name someone else with was about Amy, a literal Amy. You know what I mean? Like, sometimes she's so literal, but she likes to just let us play. Now do I think that she should've let us play on this one? Probably not, and I'll tell you why. There's just one one line I didn't like. One line, and it might not be about Kim. So I don't even really care. But I didn't really like the part where she's like, your kid comes home singing my song. Like, because we do know that they are if this is about them, that's true. But you know what doesn't make sense? Yeah. Like the truth. Do you know which one I'm gonna say? Here's what I this is why I think there's more that we don't know about because she's so cryptic and Machiavellian because I can't because she can. I think if that is about Kim, she sprinkled something in those lyrics that we don't know, but but Kim knows it's about her. Maybe. No. But Maybe. But the whole world is saying about Kim No. Because of the capital. If she wouldn't have capitalized those letters, I think she may have gotten away with it. You know? Don't you think? I don't know because Trudy texted me and she goes, oh my god. The Amy song is so about Kim. And then I go, oh, yeah. The title and Trudy's like, oh, I didn't even realize that. Like, I was just listening to it and I'm like, oh my god. That's about you. I'm saying, like, maybe there was a lion in the song. Maybe Kim Kardashian called her, like, a spray tanned bronze statue, like, in a text or something. And then, like, she threw that line in and, like, Kim would know that I get I I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. I just I mean, and it's why we love her because she will give us the most without giving us anything at all. And I think that this album, the vibes gave me, She is very upfront in this album. I feel like it was very She's also yeah. She's very upfront, but she's also very, I know I'm good. For instance, in the I can do it with a broken heart, which is my favorite song on the album, you know you're good when you can even do it with a broken heart. And I'm like, you are. And then have you listened to the very end of that song? She goes, it it was this is Oh, yeah. Don't come for No. When she goes, because I'm miserable, and nobody even know. Like, I she was probably recording that at some point and, like, joking, sing singing that into the microphone, and then they're like, wait. Let's put this in. We're your age now. This in. Try and come from my job. That's a that's a very dark song if you really break it down. Try. That's what I'm saying. Like, she's the she's I I love the bop. I love it. I'm I really like that song too. But, like, if you if we are reading everything on paper, like, this is a tortured poet, a very a hurting a hurting poet. I also think we all are inside. The try and come from my job, like, that is probably at, I don't know, every single, I don't know. Like, every other person It's probably like one New York Times Yeah. Man Like or something. Journalist who wrote one thing about how she, like, wasn't doing well on tour, which now we know. You know, they announced in April that they broke up, which, I mean There's no way it happened to me. Math tree. That means they broke up, I don't know, November, December ish. I just wanted to, like, I know I've said this before, but Natalie, close your eyes and think about this. Planned an album for planned a grand tour for 2 years. Broke up with the love of her life for 6 months, started a tour, recorded an album, did whatever she did with Maddie Healy, jumps quite literally jumps into Travis's arms, lives his life story for a couple months, then goes back on tour, now is dropping it out. You guys, like, I'm sorry. Call me a mom. Like, she needs a water and, like, a nap. No. No. No. I I am calling this. I think this is her, like, final album until the end of the 2. Okay. Maybe Reputation. Maybe like these other albums. I think at the end of this heiress tour, it's gonna be like, okay. I'm gonna go on hiatus. Like, and I nobody's gonna see or hear from me. You guys, can we just talk about Joe Alwyn for a second? Joe Alwyn was just in a movie. It's not out yet. Directed by Yorgos Lanthamos, who directed Poor Things. That's who m what that's what Emma Stone won the Oscar for. Movies with Emma Stone. Right? This is Like, their friends. Yeah. That this coming out. I'm just, like, letting you know that I swear I swear to you, in the next year or 2, Joe Alwyn is gonna, like, be the new it guy. He's gonna be the new Barry Keoghan. He's gonna be the new you know, because we haven't really seen him in anything. Like, okay. What? That Conversations with Fran or what up what show or movie was that? I don't know. Yeah. I I I, like, don't know what he's in. I just feel like he's gonna, like, be on top of that. Era is starting. His era is gonna be starting, and then I I just take oh, god. You know what? We all want the best for people, but then when you see an x just shine, it stings a little bit. And then I'm gonna be, like, worrying about Taylor when he is, like, ex when he's getting up there on the Oscar state. I I just I think he's so sweet and and and very real and down to earth. Maybe a little bit too private and and really wanted to keep his career separate from hers, which, like, I get. But then I also, like, don't like, he could've thrown her a bone. Like but he did. Like, people are like, he never wanted to be associated with her. I just watched a clip of him on Kelly Clarkson where he was talking about why he picked his, his his, yeah, his alias on folklore. Like, he did not discuss it. Can we talk about that for 2 seconds? Mhmm. I just like like, they wrote they wrote songs together. Trust me. I watched miss Americana like I said, I did. You can't say he was I mean, he the baseball cap, she here's the thing. Like, she's got her thing. She runs to her guy after her show and jumps in his arms. Like, it's her thing. We cannot blame her, but she did the whole, like, running into his arm thing. And, like, listen. People think she recreated that in the Fortnite music video, by the way, with, Post Malone, the way she ran into his arms in the Miss Americana video, and it was like the same thing. I don't know. I just Natalie, what is a fortnight? No. No. No. So do like, I'm up here trying to, like, act like I love her the most, and I do, but dead serious, first song on the album. I'm like, k. So what's going on here? Like, I am lost lost. No. So I just want to let you know that this was playing, and I'm sitting there talking to Bobby, and I'm like, wait, what is a Fortnite again? I'm like, because we I heard it a lot in Game of Thrones. Like, is it a night or whatever? I just thought it was a game. But no. Well yeah. Or that. Fortnite is a period of 14 days. I mean, happy Thursday. I learned that Can I read you just now? Can I read you the definition? The word fortnight is still in use in Great Britain and some former British colonies. It comes from the old English and is literally a shortened form of 14 nights. People sometimes use it when they're discussing their vacations or their paid schedules. I bet they broke up after, like, a 14 day trip. Or her and Maddie Healy literally dated for 14 days. Maybe. Like, at the end of the day, we're calling it after 14 days. Okay. That helps. That adds a little something something for me because I I did not understand what we were doing. I like what we're doing. Like, I really can't stress enough, and I don't know what that says about my mental state. It's not relating to what? I have something else that's interesting. What defines a Fortnite kid? Never mind. It's a definition about a kid who plays Fortnite online. Never mind. I thought I thought it was any place. But to your point no. No. To your point, though, that brings me to her being so literal. What was the line about, like, take me to your house where your homies play Grand Theft Auto? Or what was that line about them playing, like, video games with Travis? Yeah. I don't know. I So literal. Also, in so high school, like, I just, like you know, there's a line in there that says, you invite everybody over to watch American Pie. Like, I don't think Jo Alwyn was, like, trying to get the gang together to watch American Pie. Like, that is definitely Travis being, like, this is so funny. I know. And, like, can I say one thing? And then I swear to God, I'm done. Like, I swear to God, I'm done. Okay. So you're giving us the black dog. You're giving us a long London. You're giving us London boy. You're giving us tied together with a string for Joe. You're giving us so high or sorry, invisible string. You're giving us so high school talking. Like I, I just that song to me, I love her and I'm sure he's a nice guy. Can't stress it. I'm sure he's a great guy. Just don't know if he can, like, you know, he's a great guy. I think he is probably really fun. So high school felt forced. It felt like she sat down and was like, let me write a song in 5 minutes. Like, lyrically, it's just, I think, I think I could have written it lyrically. I know. Yeah. And it is it is good. I or I think it's like she's just word vomiting. And and for for in every sense of the word. It's like she's singing about everything going on right now. She's singing about her tour. She's singing about her friends. I want to know which friends told her it's not good to be, like, scared. Like, do you think it was Gigi? Do you think it was Emma Stone? You know who I think it was? I think it was Abigail. Abigail's the OG. Abigail, like Abigail is the OG. She She was the only one in, Miss Americana. I think that she puts a lot here's what I'll say. I think she puts a lot of herself into the hands of Blake Lively and Ryan. I think they have what she imagined she would have because they are married, they have children. I think that she seeks approval from them, and I think that whether they have something good to say or not, I think that she looks to them in the traditional sense. That's a good theory because for all we know, they're a great Mad. Happily married family. Like, I I don't know, but that's a good point. I can't I feel like I don't know. I don't wanna get in trouble today. I really don't. I don't I don't wanna say mean things. I think that she looks to Blake. I'll say that. I think that's who she's Like, because Blake's a little older, a little wiser. Yeah. But, like, I think Taylor Swift is probably more wise. Here's the thing about Taylor Swift, and then this this is why I haven't really been hating on the Travis Kelce stuff. Because I like him and we've established that. I think she can be in a fairy tale la la land. Okay? But we also need to give her more credit. Like, she knows what she's doing. She knows what she needs at that moment, and maybe he's fulfilling what she needs at that moment. Like, oh, I I I think that he's he's gotta be sir they've gotta be really good for each other for right now. I I just everybody No. No. I'm I'm not talking about you. I'm just talking about everybody online that's like, oh my god. Like, what is she doing with Travis? It's like, you guys, we need to give her a little more credit. Like, come on. Oh, I think I feel like you're a 100 I you're a 100 we know why they're together. Okay? Like, we know what she needed and she's getting it. And I don't think the world see, I I think that quite the opposite is happening right now. I think that the world has loved what they saw with her and Travis. I think it was fun. It was like everyone's, you know yeah. Get over him. Get over Joe. I don't know how the world is feeling today because I promise you, if you have a soul and you hear these songs I mean, when I heard loss of my life, I was in my bathroom and I stopped doing my I think yeah. But the very last line, which goes, you're the loss of my life, Like I had to take a beat. I had to take a second. I had to take a deep breath. And I had to think of the immense pain and the misery and the hurt that she is. I'm not a therapist, masking or was masking, like, of course, Travis is what she needs right now because this is fun and this is different. Is it sustainable is the question. And that's up to her to decide. Not me getting like, not me stalking Joe's Instagram and following him. No, Natalie. I'm sick. I've I have been How about the photos on his Instagram that, like, I know she took? I we are sick. Like We are sick. Sick and then exactly which one is your mom's house. Somewhere in the English countryside with the old film camera, and you're just, like, living it up. And then I even got sick too when I saw the photo was liked by Taylor Swift. Like I know. Listen. He still follows her. They oh, I'm sick. I'm sick. I know. I'm sick too. And and we'll never know, and we don't need to know. And all I can say is that I love her so much, and I'm so happy that she's in the news for moments like this and going viral for things like this. I also wanna give a shout out to Instagram. Thank you to the people I follow. Nobody is bothering me yet. No one is overdoing it with a certain song or the reels maybe because it's just not that type of album. People don't know which reel to make. They don't know which song to use in their reel. And I'm grateful because I feel like I'm getting a completely different experience. And I I'm liking this album. I really am. Okay. I want to hear your top three favorite songs. Okay. It's hard because I haven't listened to the full thing, but I think I really like daddy. I love him. What's the one little old me who's afraid of little that one. Me too. I like that one. I I like a lot. Sure. I like the fast bop. I can do it with a broken heart, but I also really like Fortnite and London. So long Okay. Like, same. All of those. And Fortnite has, like, consistently grown on me and, like, not Post Malone looking pretty good without the face tattoos. Yeah. Everyone's I just love Post Malone. I've always loved Post Malone. He just seems like a good guy, and I just I love that for her. Like, 3 more things, I swear. I got a lot of Lana Del Rey vibes on this album. Oh, okay. Which So brings me to Jack Antonoff. And I have a dead serious question. What would her album because he's worked with her at Midnight's, just pretty much everything for the last couple years. What would her album sound like? It it's not gonna we don't know. It could be better. It could be worse. It could be the same. What would it sound like without him? Okay. I just gave a round of applause to the album. I love the album. I have one note and only one note, and thank you for bringing this up. Because if I wouldn't have said it, I would have kicked myself. I'm gonna need us to lose Jack Antonoff and his synthesizer for the next album because it is it's done as much as it can do. And off what was I listening to? I don't know the names. Down Bad maybe? I was walking and I quite literally for one split second thought it was Lana Del Rey. Like if I closed my eyes and really let it go, I the whole album sounds like what the beginning of Welcome to New York. Yes. Like the whole album. I don't know, Natalie. That's a great point. And I really think maybe for our next album, we just We just see. We see who else is out there. I need to never Just go to the left of way. I need to hear I need to never ever ever hear the song Florida again. I don't know. Like, listen. I like Florence and the Machine. She's great with the dog days are over. She's always added on these albums, and it's like it just I don't Florida. It, like, took me it literally woke me up on the plane, and I was pissed. Yeah. And it's it will not it will not get out of my head. Everywhere I go, Florida. Florida. Yeah. No. I can I agree? She did us dirty with that one, but I don't I don't really mind it. I actually like it. But that's another one. Like, I'm mindlessly listening to that happily. I don't need you know, everyone's like, what happened in Destin? I don't really give a s**t. I don't know who's going to Destin. That hurts you in Destin. Way Taylor Swift was in Destin. No. I know. I listen. I'm just She she Googles saying. She Googles Literally. Most traveled spot in the United States. Destin was number 5 on that list. But listen. It's not lost on me. I mean, I have felt my whole life that she's just kind of been right there with me. Like like, we are just paralleling our ways through life. Like, she and Joe were, now it's she and I. She's always been there for me, in moments where I needed her. And I will say the s**t storm back in Texas and the Florida duo really got me going. And then there was the comment about the Sarahs and the Hannahs, which is a diss, but I liked it. Like, she knows she knows my name. I want her to say I'll take it. I want her to say Natalie. See, I was so jealous because in, in, what's the song? Why can't Last Great American Dynasty, she talks about Rebecca from Saint Louis, and I was like Rebecca grew up. Back up. After the train. Yeah. So do you understand that the first time I heard that song, I was sitting in my old apartment in this building. It was COVID. Just popped up. We got a new album from Taylor Swift. Took her mind off Saint Louis. Are she talking about St. Louis, Missouri? Then I Google it. Yeah. This the woman was from St. Louis, Missouri. Yeah. I know. It was like, she she and that's what I mean. Like, sometimes her songs are so literal. Like, why Rebecca? Rebecca. Well, we know why was her name. Rebecca. Looks like you love. We can on this road on the train. We could do this for hours, but I we literally just did this for her. Her salt box house on the coast took her mind off Saint Louis. Yes. And then at the end, and then it was bought by me. And that's the story of how we got our house. I just I just wanna thank Taylor. I really do. And I just wanna see the inside of of every single house. I have an idea. I have an idea. I just but, god. Oh my god. What shampoo does she use? What all of this is making me crave, go to sleep every night praying that we get a miss Americana for the heiress tour. I know. I know. I mean, because here's the thing. I don't know if we're going to. I don't know either. I don't I really I really don't. Like, the more I watched Miss Americana, and like, God, you guys, if you have the chance tonight, turn it on and go back, because what, you know, if you don't know, it was the process of writing Lover. You guys said Lover, okay? I'll leave it at like, oh my God, she's so happy, but it's the process of her writing all these happy, love, upbeat love songs. So now, like, I watched it the day the album came out that night, and I'm like watching it knowing that she has, like, the tortured pot wave in her somewhere. I don't know. You know what else I wanna hear? And, like, maybe I'm can you guys, like, DM me or comment when we post one of these videos? Is she has she ever written a good song about divorce? Because her parents are divorced. Like, I just I'm curious. I just, like let's throw a house together. About divorce Yeah. Or a song that, like Yeah. That, like, references it. For a divorce. No. That, like, references it. Like, the family. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if she's written a song that references it. Sang about her mom's cancer. She sang about, like, all of these things, but she I don't know. Maybe it's just because it's her parents or, like, maybe don't sing about that. I don't know. It's not her life. It's not her What? It's not her life. It's not her relationship. So maybe Yeah. But I would like to say, Taylor has written a lot, and that brings me back. Sorry not to be, like, so annoying with this. But a lot of times, she writes about things that have nothing to do with her, and we don't know that because she leads us to believe that she is. But in actuality, I mean, the one song that she, I don't know if she ever, like, came out in an interview and spoke about about Paul McCartney and his wife. Everybody ended up putting the pieces together because in an interview, he had talked about a poem, like, that his wife loved and then Taylor, like, quoted the poem in Yeah. The song. So it's like, yeah, if we didn't have people piecing these all sweet nothings in sweet nothings, everyone's like, it's about Joe, but but, really, it's about Paul McCartney and his wife. Anyways, because she's a genius, she can do that, but I wouldn't be surprised if she wrote a song. We all think it's about Taylor Lautner, but, really, it's about her parents' divorce back to December. Just kidding. Taylor Lautner, like No. Like, why? Goodbye. Just why? I don't need to see you doing backflips again. Sorry. I just good. I don't know. I love her. I love her parents. Love her brother, Austin. Love her mom's dog, Kitty. Love her cats. Hate cats. Sorry. I just them because she loves them. She does. She loves her cats. Sorry. I just Googled because I was curious, and I didn't wanna do this at the end when you were gone. I just Googled Taylor Swift's song about divorce, and no. Everyone's like, for example, her song mine, maybe, but no. What is mine, man? We'll never make our parents' mistakes. Uh-uh. It's always been mine. No. I don't know. Okay. Let's just do before we end, I'm gonna sing the first I'm gonna sing a Taylor Swift song only giving you one note, and I wanna see if you know what I'm singing, and then you're gonna give me one. Okay? And then we'll get into I just, like, will briefly, like, give you a little bit of curb. Okay. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. You're gonna sing a song and I have to guess it? Yeah. Okay. Give me, like, 3 songs. You Okay. I mean, if you want me to be honest, it was giving you make me feel like, it was giving Katy Perry. Sorry. I need another one. No. Just you belong. I am blocked. You k. You can give me one now. Vocally, it was giving you make me feel like a TV stream. Oh, I thought you were gonna say you make me feel like a natural woman. No. Okay. Give me one. Give me one. You make me feel like I'm living a tea. Tea. Yeah. Okay. That's what you sounded like. Okay. Go again. Well, okay. The Oh, is this not like Amy just wanted to do one? Yeah. Here here's another one. This one's kinda hard. Because Okay. Because you belong with me. Because when because when you're Well 15. I know. It's just hard because the way you're doing it, you're air humping as you, like Okay. They don't fill in the words, so it was hard to focus. Give me one and I will get it. I could say because. I could say, didn't you start it with because? Because you make isn't that how you started? Oh, no. You said it with you. Yeah. K. Oh, was that it? Under. You have to sing the melody. Oh, I'm not singing on this. What did you say, under? Under. I can't. I can't. Under. Because when I felt like I wasn't all caught again under someone's Not how the yeah. So you should have said, kazah? Know you. No. I said under. Yeah. You gave me one word in the entire song. You. Yeah. But I was You gave me you. Do you know how hard it is to do you? She says you in every song she's ever done. I was saying the melody. Yeah. The melody was giving Katy Perry. I didn't get it. I'm sorry. That That was a hard game. I don't ever wanna play that again. I'm laughing that we have done an entire episode on this. I'm like I know. Acting up. I forgot that like I know. I just Hold on. I I heard her. I heard her. And then I I just heard Cicely go, ah, and then Ty go, no. No. No. No. No. You can't go in there. Oh my god. Yeah. I don't know. I just Say coma. No. Yeah. Oh my god. I wanna do that. You're so cute. Were you crying for mommy? Mhmm. It's okay. Mommy's right here. Can you sing Tama? Karma is a gun. Okay. She doesn't wanna do that. Is a breeze in my hand. Oh, sorry. She's sitting in my lap for the foreseeable future. Look at her face. Cicely, you're the cute you're the cutest thing I've actually ever seen in my entire life. Do you like Taylor Swift? I think you do. Are you saying shake it off? Shake it off. Shake it off. Shake it off. I shake it off. Shake it off. Never missed a beat. Got lightning on my feet. Okay. That's what they don't know. Yes. Listen. I think we very much are aligned on this album, and for that, I'm grateful because it's not often you and I see eye to eye on every little thing every little thing, and I think we do. I agree. And you know what? I can't wait to continue listening to this. And then, of course, I'm gonna listen tonight and be like, oh, I wish I would have said that. But that's the beauty. That's the beauty of Taylor. That's the beauty of That's beauty. I love her. Guess what? I'll come back next week with another tape. Can you have Cicely talk? I just, like, need to hear her voice on this little mic. I know. Can you just say can you say and action? You're being shy. You don't wanna sing karma is my boyfriend. I taught Cissy the karma song because one time, Cissy did something to mommy and it hurt, and mommy said and then Cissy got hurt. And I said, that's karma. And then it made me laugh. So then we started listening to karma. Now she listens to karma. Right? Cicely, do you have a guitar? Yeah. I think you have a guitar. And you like to listen to it or you like to listen to Taylor and play your guitar around the the house. Don't you? It's so fun. I love a little guitar. You can talk into the mic, but you can't hold it. Oh, she likes to sing, and I still haven't found what I'm looking for. She's frozen. We're gonna I want a mom. I want a llama. You wanna watch llama? Okay. Well, I'm almost done, and then you can. What it what is she what do you wanna watch? And tie. Llama llama. What's llama llama? No. No. The llama. Oh, she wants to watch Kuzco the llama, emperor's emperor. Sicily. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Emperor's new groove is so good. Yzma. Kronk, pull the lever. Can you say, yep. She's like Kronk. Shook. Pull the lever, Kronk. I love Sissy when she has the cucumbers on her eyes, and she's getting a massage, and they put the cucumbers on her eyes. Uh-huh. She is not blinked once since, like, you are fully entertaining her right now. She's gotta be so confused. I'm, like, quoting her movies. She's probably like, who what is going on? You know? Just became Wait. You know what you can also show her? Ishma they had they made a TV show out of it. Oh. Yeah. I didn't know they made a TV show. And Isma has a song and it's called Ismaopolis. Trudy's in my phone. Excuse me. Trudy's icon photo in my phone is Yzma. That's so random. I know. It was, like, our favorite movie growing up as a kid. Okay. Well, you finished I know we we can wrap this up, but you I finished Herb. I know we're gonna have to wrap this up. It's just been the Cicely and Taylor episode. I finished Curb. Great. Great. Happy. Happy. Not mad. You know Enjoyable. You know what I completely forgot to watch? And, like, like, I still have, like, 2 episodes that I need to watch palm Royale. Like, I, like, forgot. I need to go back and finish it. I'm I was watching last night, actually, but I, I really liked Curb because I like that Jerry Seinfeld was in the last episode. Cute. Just, like, wrapped it up with a bow. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have complaints. Totally. But guess what came out? My favorite documentary of all time, The Jinx, you guys, on HBO. If you have not seen that, please do not look anything don't look anything up. Okay? Just go on HBO. Watch it. I think it's like 6 parts. It is the best documentary I've ever seen in my life. The ending specifically, again, though, do not look up the ending. Okay? Do not look up anything. But they just came out with a part 2. Okay. I'm I'm actually this is, like, pre kids, pre everything. I was really into this with Ty, so I am so on board to watch this part 2 of the Jinx. Bob Durst. Like No. I can't and so he passed away in, like, 2022 or I kind of remember that. I I remember I'm really excited about this, honestly. Yeah. He passed away 2022. And, like, you guys, this is so crate this this freaking documentary is so crazy just because of his family. Like, him and his brother, they, like, owned all these, like, real they own, like, the largest buildings in New York, like, the land. Like, it's just, like, this isn't just some, like, random man. This is No. And the way it went down, like, I I'm I don't wanna, like No. You you can't. Quick facts, but I You can't ruin it though. I wanna say it's the first of its kind. Like, that's never happened on a documentary. No. It's never happened on a documentary. And Trudy, when she was at USC, she had the directors of the documentary come in and talk about her time and, like, I don't know, their time on the show, and I just thought it was, like, so I was so jealous that, of course, like, USC had those people come in and talk about it. So Of course. No. That's so crazy. I'm excited to come back. Sorry for the chaotic episode, guys. And Cicely seriously crashed this, so we're ending now. I love it. Okay. Well, we'll come back next week, talk about the Jinx part 2, and then, of course, if I have any other Taylor thoughts. And then we can also get back to Bravo. I know we said that we would do that this week, but I know. TTPD came. I didn't think that Taylor we really we really got carried away, and I'm like, I'm happy about it. I'm happy about it too. This is what we love her going viral for, this type of stuff. It's the best. Your girls live for this. It's literally the best. Oh, and congratulations to Trudy Buck who finished filming season 2 of Severance. It's been a journey. Cecily, I just love her. I should why is she so free? I didn't miss it. Say it again? Say it again. What? Why'd you say what she's trying to say? That was so good. Can you say and seen? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Fine. In trouble? Yeah. And scene.