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Hey everybody , you're listening to Caitlyn Bristow's podcast Off Divin . Take it away , Bree . Wine , lots of wine may be on the mind . Let's go . Hey , Bonnie . Pino ready for the show ? Everyone's welcome . So come on in . Because think the the better . Begin a . All right , welcome to Off the Vine , I'm your host , Kate . So here's my feel , what you've really been able to introduce , like I haven't said fiancee very often . This is the first time I've been on the podcast , I think , since I proposed . That's crazy . I know . Ian say anyways , today is a really fun episode because it brings Jason's secret proposal plan and our engagement full circle . So , yes , I have to guess my main squeeze honeybun feel , I guess , if you say anything , Jason , but most of the hype has faded and I want to keep it going . And then also with us today is a woman who is part of Jason's secret proposal and she didn't even know it . If you haven't listened to the proposal episode , you obviously will be out of the loop on this . But based on the downloads of that one , I'm going to assume that everyone listen . I'm literally just going to repeat what my intro was for the pretend episode when I thought she was coming on , but then my mind got blown with a proposal . So we have the creator of the app , the pattern , Lisa Donovan on the pod today . The pattern is an astrology app that uses a proprietary algorithm to provide you with information about yourself and those around you , simply through creating a profile for each individual . And you can see how compatible you are with someone else as well . And you guys , was that not the most early accurate thing you've ever done ? I was a skeptic and you got to listen , because I think she you're not scared to say anything anymore now and then the pattern launch their brand new dating function called Connect , which is a special way to find a relationship as it requires you to run a bond with your match before you communicate . That's so interesting . I wish I mean , I do wish they had these back of the day , but then I might have scooped up by now then . Yeah , but it's so interesting that she's a ball of knowledge when it comes to astrology and going much deeper than just like your horoscope . Yeah , I think she explains kind of the astrology and then also just digs into the specifics of like what it all means . She got very specific on you and I individually and as a couple . And I'm like , I feel like I even know you better now . Bullrush nailed it . Nailed it . Why is it that still after like a year of using Zoom , I screw it up ? Oh my gosh . OK , so you didn't hear me say that you have the most fabulous glowing skin I've ever seen in my life . Oh , well , thank you . I hear that . So thank you for reading this . I've been waiting weeks to meet you for this compatability reading , which is so funny because do you know the story like how you were supposed to be , but you probably thought our team was so flaky because we had to bail last second because it turned into an engagement and there was like you were supposed to be the guest and I was like , hello , bring her on . And then it turned into an engagement . Did you know that ? Yeah , I was sent the the marketing folks sent me the video and then mentioning I was about to come on and I was like , oh , how am I going to be on that ? But , you know , they were like , but yeah , I felt so bad after because because it had to be so secretive , we couldn't tell you or like my team , even my team didn't know . So they were like , wait , why are we . Everything was set up . She was ready to go . We're like , we'll tell you in a second . So I had no idea , but I was really looking forward to it . So now I'm really looking forward to congratulations . Thank you for your patience and everything . I can't wait to talk about this app . It's so wild . Just tell us , obviously , for everyone listening what it is and kind of maybe a bit about your background . Sure . I started a long time ago a YouTube content creator actually , like . Yes , five when YouTube started and nobody . Did you do any idea routines ? Yeah , I should have . I should not of doing I did like pop culture priority things , but at one point I do like parodies of the makeup gurus of one of my favorite things anyway . Yeah . Yeah . I started it was an odd choice at the time . Nobody understood why I was on YouTube . It makes absolutely no sense . But I was into it . I had this audience , but it was kind of a grind because there wasn't , it wasn't monetizing . And yeah , I did it for three years and that was basically the inspiration for Cofounding . The company I co-founded called Maker Studios in 2009 , brought a bunch of YouTube content creators to Los Angeles . I had the credit , so I got a bunch of leases and my name moved people out , went into like tons of debt , went all in on the studio and right place , right time just wound up learning about business . I much as YouTube content creator , learning about running this business and it just grew and grew and did that for five years and wound up selling that to Disney in 2014 . And it was just wild . Crazy , right . Huge . Yeah . Yeah , it was . It was . That's like a whole other podcast . But that was , that was an amazing experience . And then leading up to that , that sort of year , my life sort of took . There's a lot of changes very quickly that sort of shattered my understanding of what my life was , how I thought of myself , my ego , my personality , all that kind of stuff . Very quickly , in terms of the relationships I had , my family members , my father got sick where I was living , where I was working , and everything changed very quickly . And I started seeking searching , wound up having my first astrology reading . And I was not somebody who had probably been into astrology , maybe more of a skeptic . But again , my life had changed and I was open and I didn't realize I had no answers to anything . I think maybe somebody else and I had this reading and it kind of blew me away because it was more of a psychological breakdown of who I was . It wasn't so much like new agey or cheesy or . Right . He was really kind of holding a mirror up to me and telling me to take responsibility for myself , you know ? And I got really into it . And it was an incredible tool at this very challenging time . And that's when I was like , oh , hey , maybe I should figure out a way to basically mimic my experience , create this experience , but put it into an app so scalable , which I thought would be easy . And it wasn't . That was seven years ago . I mean , what I was thinking , but I wound up astrologer . I wound up following him around the world and just getting him to sit down with me for like a week at a time . Can I start asking you things ? And extracting information started creating just started writing the content . And again , this is my father got sick . I wound up after selling the company , moving home , and then he passed . And then I was with my mom for a year . And so I wound up living in my childhood bedroom , writing all this content sort of obsessively . It was sort of a emotionally cathartic time as well for my salvation . And that's what I do write for 10 hours a day . I had no other life . Eat dinner with mom , Johnny Carson reruns . Right . Again , you know , I just just did that . And then I was in this . We're in a small beta and twenty five to fifty people in this beta , people , you know , again , just testing it . You wanted it to be perfect and it was obsessive about it . And then I woke up one day and there's thirty thousand people on the server and I was like that thing . People just found it and shared it . And we're having this emotional , you know , experience with it . And we've grown completely organically , all word of mouth with no marketing , no PR . This is our first foray into this . Like I did my first podcast a few weeks ago , and we knew and I love that , that nobody knew where it was from . And it was sort of this funny mystery , you know . And anyway , so first of all , I just want to rewind a little bit because you said the business thing , you're like that's for a whole other podcast . That would probably be good for your podcast . Jason , Jason has a podcast . Tell tell her what your podcast is , because I think that would be really interesting . Yeah . So the podcast is called Trading Secrets . And the whole idea is we're trying to break the stigma about money conversations , good , bad and ugly , how companies came to where they are , what people make . Like , really , my whole theory is that , like , the reason we don't talk about money and what we're making is because in the system that really behooves the people at the top . And the more information we have about how things were done and the way they were done , I think the better off we can all kind of like navigate our careers financially , personally and professionally . So , yeah , that's what a wild story . So cool to hear about it . Yeah , that is really interesting . I didn't know that background . And do you know Penny Thow . Yeah . OK , so Penny is one of my best friends and her sister say like I was in her wedding party and she's how I learned about your app years ago , like when it first came out she was like and I remember being like , this is wild . And then I saw that Channing Tatum was like , who the hell are these patterned people and how did they get in my head like that obviously was so viral . Were you like , holy shit , Channing Tatum and have you talked to him ? Totally . We want to talking after and meeting . And he became an investor and he's just that's that's friggin awesome . She says and Penny was one of the first people on it . She's awesome . And she's telling everybody about it . Yeah . And he's so helpful with word of mouth because she knows so many people and and he tells you to do something . You do it because it's a good idea . She's helped me through so much like navigate so many things , chatting to him as an investor , not from a user to no investor know . And that was very good . You watch that video , right ? Oh , yeah . Yeah . Unreal . That's amazing how you must be so proud of where it started to where it is today . And just like the fact that you can use astrology to help people find out more of who they are . And Jace and I were talking about this other day with therapy , even like , why would you not go to therapy or like , you know , you have one life . Why would you not want to get to know who you are ? Your identity and astrology can be such a big part of that . So you were never into astrology before that ? It was it was kind of like a ha moment for . You know , I wasn't I don't think I understood the depth of it , because I think we think of it as and astrology , which is kind of bullshit , you know , it's right . Not everybody born in the month of April is going to have the same day . Yeah , that makes no sense . Right . And it's really about the specifics . It's about like the moment of your birth and then you're getting into real life psychological dynamics and sort of the the pattern of your life . And that was what was amazing to me when I was building it . Everywhere I go , I have to do somebody start . I mean , literally , I mean , the waitress and the , you know , cab driver and the nurse , it didn't matter because I was , you know , wanting to test and understanding every single person . It didn't matter age , race , gender . Everybody wants to feel seen and understood and recognized . And I think that is the heart of what the pattern is . It's really just trying to make you feel seen and that you're here and we see you . And it's it's not even about teaching you astrology . We don't have astrology symbols in it . We don't use the astrology language . We just make it really accessible because I just want people to have the wisdom behind it . Absolutely . You want to know what my favorite thing to do in my bedroom is to say ? 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So what where the planets are in the sky at the time of your birth , you are the creative expression of that single moment in time that there is an impact that you are on this planet . We're being impacted by things . So where was the moon in the sky at the moment of your birth ? Let's say for you , for example , it was an Aries . So we're saying that is going to impact you . That's telling me a little bit about archetypal and who you are , the kind of energies that you carry . And I don't think of it as predictive . I mean , there's all kinds of astrology . I don't I'm not into , like , predictive astrology or or this is what's going to happen or this isn't what's going to happen . All I know is that you're sort of fated to deal with certain energy like like your fate to do with a certain height or hair color or something . How you choose to deal with that is your destiny . It's your choice . Somebody with your exact same chart will have a completely different life experience because they train differently . So ideally , when we talk today , I'm not telling you anything you don't know it just talking about dynamics that exist maybe in your life . OK , one more question . She's going to do a birth chart reading for us . Oh , amazing . OK , so this is if you don't know the answer , I totally get it . It's like a ridiculous question , but I'm thinking like a numbers perspective . Is there like an average of how often people are born on the same day ? And second , that would have the same reading ? That is such a good question . And I , I would like to get I would like to know that . And I'm kind of annoyed . I don't know that I would like to find it . I mean , that's probably just how many people are born every set . I mean , that's probably you just Google just like every child to meet someone like you . You did a follow up podcast where you met someone that was born the same day in the same second to see how these correlate . I would like love that too . If you could connect with people that way . The pattern , because it is about there will be so many things that are similar . I mean , you're really talking about someone who is dealing with the same dynamics and there's such an understanding . But how you've chosen to live your life could be very different , like the twin you never have . Whoa . We have everyone listening . If you were born June 19th , nineteen eighty five at seven thirty two in the morning call right now , that one . I would love to hear how the actually why that's that's a good idea . And then you guys started a brand new dating function called Connect a way to find your most compatible romantic match . So what does it mean that it requires you to run a bond with your match before you can communicate ? Right . So we're just in this kind of beta phase of what's called connect , then it's a feature within the app . So , again , we are the pattern changing . And yes , if you have no interest in it , you wouldn't even notice it . It's just a button on the that you are interested . You go in and you enter , connect any ideas dating with depth to connect with people in a deeper way . So instead of just swiping and seeing someone you think is attractive and liking them and chatting first , you have to run the bond , which is sort of the compatibility feature . So again , we don't want to make judgments . There's no good or bad . It's just giving you context , your relationship right right away . So when you're connecting with somebody , maybe you have this extraordinary bond with them and you want to talk about that . So you have you have like a foil for discussion , this person and context , the relationship . So smart . But have you seen that show ? We watch the dating show where it was like telling me about the one . Yeah . DNA , one or so . Yeah , I haven't seen it yet . You have to watch it . Yeah . It's so interesting . But I always want to know if people would do that . If you were already with your husband and you found this app that has this is actually the one note , this is the one you're supposed to be . This is you're like most compatible match . Would you take the test to it ? Would you ? I know . I mean , it's I have to it's like , why do they decide ? And so on . They just have they just know it . You're supposed to go with it and be like they know who you have to . I have to watch it . Yeah . It's there's there's so many layers to it because even if , like , that person might have some really bad dark baggage , but they're still meant to be your person and you have this connection with them like like you can't even describe , but . They still have all their other issues that you have to deal with , so it's kind of fascinating , but I always want to know if people would do that . I mean , I like to try everything once I know . How would you go living your life like there ? I don't know . Every now and then , that's the thing . Is there one person like which I would argue there's many and every relationship's valuable , but that that's that is the premise for a great TV show . So have you guys just launched this , what , a few weeks ago ? Yeah . And really just beat us . It's only in certain select states and just it's been pretty cool just watching and tweaking things , changing things , but will be will be full out in July for the energy . And then before you read the energy , you'll have access to that and look at their profile picture . There's no other way around . So you get to yes , you get to slide through and you look at some of you find them attractive . You run out before I can talk to you . And like you , I have to run the bond . So I have to go through a little bit of understanding this relationship and then connect from there . It's actually really good for guys because there's also an option to basically show women , mostly women , get hit up on dating guys that have to sort of do the work . So , yeah , it's it's saying like , look , we have we're soulmates . So you might otherwise have passed on . They kind of get a second chance . We're like , look , these this great connection that warms my heart . I love , love and like the romance of like that one that maybe got away and you didn't even know . But now here they are and they might just like to go , you know , that'd be good . If there is like I feel like I often hear women like screenshot , they're there like a dating app and the guy is just like a complete douchebag . Right . That if there was like a bond , that's like this guy's a douche bag . Don't . But these guys look like a douche bag and they might need that through me . Like , I just like one . I'm not actually one , I think attitude . Yeah . And there's lovable douches out there that you have you heard of any , like , success stories yet ? No , I mean , this is we're talking like two weeks ago , just letting in a few . But I mean , I but I expect them to become absolutely awful out there . And they'll first . Trista and Ryan of the dating . Yeah . Next year Idol series here . Yeah . Wait , they're going to make a movie or a TV show about best you can hope . And I can tell you like you have everybody settle down like that . Yeah , exactly . If anyone's can make it happen , it'll be petty . OK , so basically all the information you have from us is our birth date , our birth location and our birth . Time and again , I use this app . Penny told me about it so many years ago and I've just been baffled by it . So we found out we were compatible when we did the test the last time . Remember , we did it on the phone . Oh yeah . Which is funny because . Oh my God , that was so tough . But we're doing a compatibility test . We took the test and I was like , literally I was like , thank God we found out we're compatible . That's good news . And then he proposed , like we found out on that podcast , like , so much . And here's my here's my confession for this podcast is that day . And it's not that great of a confession , but that day I'm proposing . Right . So I have a whole plan with Caitlin's manager , how this is going to go , the way it's going to go . I'm freaking out about the details , planning the rest of the day , the whole nine yards . And then , like , literally we're talking like sixty minutes before the podcast . I go over the itinerary with clear , OK , once manager , it's like , yes , we'll podcast for like thirty minutes and then we'll bring on the guest . I was like , excuse me . She's like , yeah . Like we actually need a segment here , like you have to podcast for thirty minutes . I thought like well I'm going to like two seconds . Caitlin does the intro boom and then I could go into so for thirty minutes that whole podcast , my heart's like going one hundred miles beats per minute trying to figure it out and kill compatibility test . And I'm like oh you're not paying attention and waiting for like the time . So this is like a refresh for me . I could focus . It feels good but oh my God that sounds like torture . Did you even pay attention ? Like , I was like I was freaking out the whole time . And the best part about it was the only thing I had . I had thoughts of things I wanted to say , but the only thing I had memorized was when Caitlin was going to bring you on , as the guest was just said . The only thing , Caitlin , there's no guests today . Caitlin , that's it . That's all I had to do . And so we're podcasting for thirty minutes . My break . I can't focus . And Caitlin like , all right . We're going to figure out our guests . She's like , all right , look , she says your name like , that's really the dawn of it . That's my cue . The only thing no , I'm crazy . I'm like wedged into this in this random , crazy way . And my only two Caitlin , there is no gas . So she says it . And there's this delay and Cleo's on the other line , like , supposed to be listening in . And Cleo's like , oh , shit , Jason , I didn't go over this part . Like , what if she does come in at this point ? And so . She's like , you bring on the gas , please , we'd appreciate it . So I get up and I have my recorder because I still have yet to utter the words . Caitlin , there is no guess my only line . And Caitlin thinks that I was , like , panicking because I didn't hit record . I , like you didn't hit record during her record . And she's like , all right , don't worry about it . And then finally , after what felt like an eternity . Yeah . 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But everything and sometimes things that seem like they could be challenging because of those people and the choices they made , they're not so . But yeah , certainly you can put people together in ways that , OK , there would be less problems here , right ? Yeah , for sure . Fascinating . I'm excited for you to read our birth charts . Yeah . So , OK , so we'll do your first show and then we'll talk about you guys together . So first we'll do individual such a little guy just so that the idea here for anyone that doesn't understand is that the second you are born , there are certain degrees and levels of which the universe is kind of aligned and that is correlated to the energy that you're given when you are born . Is that . Yeah , but there's there's sort of a blueprint of your life at that energy where everything is in the sky has an impact and an imprint on you that you are on this earth and a part of it , and that there's energetic impact on you and it's sort of setting a blueprint for your life , the sort of conscious way forward . Again , we spent a lot of time comparing ourselves . We grew up in certain families cultures . I like to think of it as this is sort of the authentic soul's journey . But we might spend a lot of time creating an ego and a personality that's like doing something that's the opposite . And I think that's where we run into a lot of pain and frustration . And this is like hopefully just says a couple of things that resonate with you . And you're like , yeah , no , I know that is me . I can stop trying to be that . Yeah , I know that . I know that's me . You know that it resonates in sort of a a deeper place in you , you know , knowing within you . That's how we look at it . I'm here now . I'm here now . I've arrived . So Caitlin so , you know , one of the things that we first look at is your mood , and that changes sign every two and a half days . So it's say it's a lot more specific than the sunshine . And we look at the moon as sort of your lineage . It's as though you've lived many lifetimes being this moon . So you're coming into this life really an expert in that kind of energy , that sort of energy , almost like archetype . And that and yours is in the sign of cancer . And we do know anything about astrology or have you had a little bit , but not really . OK , so you're in the sign of cancer and archetypal . We say that's like the mother , that's the nurturer . That's the caretaker . So we'd say you're coming in very sensitive , very caring , very nurturing . You also have what's called Neptun to it . So it's like you're picking up all the energy around you . You're really impacted by your environment . You feel everybody , you feel their pain . It's it's a very sort of sensitive and hierarchical , like it wants to be the giver to other people and often find like it's almost like it's their job to be sort of the giver and the caretaker . And usually when you have sort of cancer going like that , you want to talk to them about boundaries and making sure that they learn about boundaries because the giving can sort of be second nature where you can lose yourself in it or give to the wrong people . Right . Because because you don't know when to stop . Because that's how you feel . You're supposed to express yourself . What's really cool about your CHAKO , your venus' to your feminine energy ? The woman that you are is in the sign of Taurus . So it's a great balance to cancer because Taurus is the receiver . So we'd say you're coming into this life only knowing about being a giver . But part of your journey is is exactly like grounding , like cancer's water . And it's fluid and it's emotional and it's merging with everybody . Taurus is grounded and solid . It's very confident . It's very in the body , knows its boundaries , knows it's worth . So we say what you were meant to learn about is that like feeling confident , feeling good in the body , feeling like you're enough and receiving . So , you know , sometimes with the cancer that that's a challenging thing . They like to be the giver . But I'd be curious in this room and ask you . Yeah , I don't know where you are in your life journey . You did you used to struggle with being an over giver . Were you able to sort of become that tourists very quickly ? Were you able to balance giving and receiving ? Is that a struggle for you to be somebody who is a receiver ? I could work on giving . So you're more of the Taurus . Oh , yeah . Interesting . You're much more of the receiver . Oh , yeah . You're much . You really went for the tourists , OK ? Yes , yes . Yeah . Good for you for . Yeah , OK . Oh my God . That's amazing . That's really good because usually with this kind of chart and this is again . People I don't know , so they sometimes struggle stepping into that , we say that's like really a huge part of why you're here is to be somebody who is . And it sounds like you already are , like I was saying , really confident in the body , like I know my worth . I'm here to receive like I care to be given to and I'm grounded in an extremely confident in that sense . Yeah . And you sort of identify with that , it sounds like . Very much so . So you struggle with giving . Yes . That's so interesting . OK , I want to say yeah . I think it's like protection like even like even early on relationship . And still to I think it's some parts of the state , like even showing sometimes that like love and like are like always like coming out . They're like giving you a big kiss or something like I think you are careful with what you give to protect yourself . This one is my guess . Yeah . I do think that because we'd say with that cancer you are very sensitive . So you have . Yeah , you're very sensitive . OK , so that part of it you , you relate to . Yeah . So in that sense too , sometimes this happens , usually there's a complex with it , but sometimes that happens where the sensitivity is extreme , that you shut off from it because you don't want to get hurt because that sensitivity is , is too . Yeah . It's too much . And with the Tories there . OK , so , so you're somebody who you're not going to show , you're not going to just give it away if it's better . That's really good because that's , that's the that's the real interest towards Moon knows how to do that right away . Sounds like you , you jumped into that you know your worth and it's like you come get me . Yes . But a great oh me . Fantastic . Because that's the we think of Taurus is like the honey and it's like the bee comes to you and sweet . You want you have to come here and you have to prove that you're worth my time . I'm the worker and you're the worker . I love it . So that's great . That's funny . And I love it . But you feel like underneath it , it's also because that would be too scary in a way to show your vulnerability or to put it out there . But would I mean , did you do you want to be a mother ? Is that . Oh , yes . Yeah . Like , I would think that desire is in there because you're cancer women . It's so natural . I feel like I was put on this planet to be able to be a mother . OK , yeah , that's it is the mother archetype . It's pretty natural in you . That combo , I would say also cancer into our super feminine , just so very feminine Mother Earth vibe . What's interesting about you , you're born at seven thirty two a.m. You're also a cancer rising . So you have and you have a cancer . Mars have cancer , mercury cancer . So there's a lot of times what that means . Cancers that cancer . Breast cancer . Muzammil . Yeah . So the moon is the one we were talking about . That's sort of the lynnae , it's sort of how she's come into this life . So she has like this natural instinct to be the mother , extreme sensitivity . And then we combine it with this Taurus , which is somebody who's very much like confident . And you come to me and bring me the attention and then we're saying her destiny is also cancer . So we're saying you're also here , I would say for sure to be a mother , a mother of something . You know what I mean ? If it wasn't children , I'd say you'd have is it animals ? Is it a company ? But there is something and some desire in you to to nurture something and create something . Yeah , it sounds like it has babies and you know that . So , yes , I would imagine . Yeah . Looking at this , there's so much we call the cancer archetype in her chart that that would be a huge part of your life and rightly so . This is definitely your destiny and it seems like you're on your way . I feel like I've lived so many lives . And this is the one is like I feel like this is my last one . And yeah , yeah , I do as you say that I just feel like I keep like I have really like vivid dreams and I just have this like feeling inside of me that I have lived all these lives that I keep being so afraid of something specific . And there's like I feel real feelings to that specific idea , like I've been here before and this has happened before , but it didn't go the way I wanted it to . And I question why all these good things happened to me . And I feel like it's because I've lived so many lives . And this is like where I'm supposed to be now , right ? Cancer again , it's supersensitive . There can be like a mystical quality to it . You have also it's called Neptun on your whole chart , and that is this sort of mystical , dreamy , spiritual thing . So , again , dreams or intuition or vision , that's a big part of your life . Big , certainly big and dreamer . And it's like this . Yeah , it's sort of the spiritual element . So you have that . Yeah . Yes , she does the it's the one I've never seen anything like this in my life . Every night she wakes up after sleeping everywhere every morning and she has an . Only vivid dream like remembers , even the production value of my dreams are insane , like I will have a whole cast in a play and I will remember every detail on their costume and like , eye color like I can . It's like so overwhelming when I think about my dreams . And also I'm very intuitive . Yeah , yeah , yeah . And that's Nepsa . It's like always listen to your intuition , I imagine , if you haven't felt terrible . Yes . Yeah . And do you tend to do that . Did you naturally always follow it . Yes I have . I follow my intuition more than most I would say . Yeah . Because that this chart you just have Neptun over it . Just so much water . It's so tuned in . Yeah . To things and it's picking up everything around you . So that's great . Yeah . Relationships would be a struggle . Yeah . You're at the age now where it would be . This is the time because we say with it , with this complex on your chart , like it's not going to happen at twenty two , you know . Yeah , yeah . Relationships , not not , not . I mean , you had your your Mars because it's sort of the relationship of your chart . It was hidden behind the sun when you were born . So we'd say it was in the underworld so that there would be experiences of you having to go to the underworld in relationship , overwhelming experiences , irrational , unexplainable , painful . The whole point is to get you to learn to love yourself unconditionally , not need another then and you can be on your own . And then the person comes in . So literally , what happened to . Yeah . What's so wild about that is early on in our relationship , obviously we would talk about like what's brought us to where we're at . And Caitlin would say a lot over and over . There are times in my life I think I'm just meant to be alone . Like I'm not I'm not supposed to be with anyone else but one of them . And I was okay with that , like I was , I guess with it . And you're like , I feel a point in my life , like financially , everything Crutchley that like I worked on myself so much , I just felt like happy and in love with who I was as a person . Like , I was like , I'm solid . I'm putting in equity with other people's , like , losing someone else to provide that . Yeah , exactly . Yeah . The code about you didn't need that . You became you didn't need to be codependent . You need to find your value , your worth outside of yourself . I mean that's it . That is the answer to having this kind of a complex to be in a place for you . Like I love myself , I love my life and I could do this with or without somebody . If you want to come with me , come with me . But I don't need you . So that's great . Oh , congratulations . Because I love my work , you know . Yeah , I work . So , my gosh . So I preach to people all the time , do the work , do the work , do the work . So yeah . Yeah . It's so impactful there for me all the time . Yes . Oh my gosh . I do everything to work on myself and that's I tell Jason all the time because he's Jason's one of the smartest people I've ever known and I'm like oh my gosh , get to know yourself . Like get in there because you're so good at helping other people and doing like outside of things . But I'm like , you've got to get in there . Like you're just starting therapy kind of thing or you've never done it before kind of thing . I only there is one time I did it because I was having like these like panics because of all at work and school are there's just too much on my plate , my twenties and my body was like irrationally reacting to it . But since then I never went to therapy , actually , like dig into like the depth and Kaitlynn like push me to go . And I went and now I'm like , I love therapy . So I talk about it with my buddies , like I was just on a bachelor party and like we're sitting in the room having drinks . I'm like , tell all my therapist stuff , which I find so hot . I'm like a he wouldn't chemotherapy . He goes , Oh , I loved that . I got to know so much about myself . But I was like , that's hot . It is . It's not sexy to be the life guy that doesn't want to know what it's like , man . Right now it's about that , it's about being open and communicating and having it that that . So that's amazing . Vinos , do you own or rent your own home ? Sure you do , but it can be hard work but you know it's easy . Yep . Bundling policies with Geico Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowners or renter's insurance along with your auto policy , which obviously is a good thing because you've so much to do around your home . Go to Geico Dotcom , get a quote and see how much you could save . It's Geico easy . 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Will get you drunk and make you play Viagra . It's a lot going on , but that's what it's all about over here as that are ready . Your top can see you soon , baby . OK , so should we jump over and talk about race ? Yes . OK , so you you are coming in like we're talking about . The moon is a lineage . It's where you've come from . And so you've lived many lifetimes is the moon and yours is the sign of Aries . Which we brought up earlier , so Aries is like the warrior , the protector , it's fire , it's action . It wants to know the goal it wants to that it's very committed to . It's like , here's a goal . I'm going to reach the goal , very black and white . It's sort of the modern day warrior . You know , a lot of professional athletes , I'd say mostly like really good ones , have areas somewhere in their chart like that , that very like , OK , what is the goal ? I will reach it . It's not over thinking . It's just like this is once it knows the goal and then it's hard to sometimes get off that path . You know , this is with with their eyes . It can be stuck on the wrong path potentially because you're like , I will not stop until until I'm done here . You know , it's very archetypal . Like I said , that sort of warrior alpha kind of energy . What is so fascinating about your chart is your Mars . Your masculine energy is in the complete opposite sign . It's inside your Pisces , which is the most sensitive , intuitive , like connected , you know , like the Mother Teresa . But , you know , it's just loving . And to all , you know , to everybody is just like a really kind , sensitive soul . Right . The Aries and Pisces , if they were individual people wouldn't like each other or get each other . There can be a conflict within yourself of being very like , this is how it is . And it hurts like the emotional side . And it's really about that . It's so great hearing what you're saying , that bringing the therapy or opening up to these kinds of things because it's really about opening your heart . It's a path to sort of open your heart . And it's it is sort of connecting in a deeper place to do relate to any of this over . Oh , no , it's all yeah . I think all because what's interesting is , as you say , that I think about my business life and personal life . My business life is very professional . Life is outrageously focused . It's almost like a different personality . Honestly , the way I talk to I don't act the way I coach everything . And then when I take the business or professional hat off , I would say that really it's a very sensitive issue . I think becomes balancing those sometimes and being able to integrate and integrate the fully focus that like , hey , put that down and focus on like this now , like you're at dinner and it's not about what you were doing all day . It's about right now , you know , our kids are like having a kid or buying a nice home is like separate . That's right . Completely . Yeah . And that's the alchemy of your life . That's sort of the journey of how do you merge these things ? Because sometimes it could get really divided , like you said . But you can bring both . What's very interesting , you have a complex that's called Saturn and Saturn is a sense or a feeling of deficiency , maybe from as early as you can remember , just like that , you are not enough and you must prove your worth that you just being you is unacceptable and that you have to be better . You have to prove it . And whether it's to a father , a culture of business , I will reach this goal and then everything will be solved and everything will be OK and will be great . But of course you recycle and it doesn't change that because it's a psychological thing . I have Saturn . I relate to this so much . So it's not a good or bad . But we say , you know , and a lot of the most successful indigenous people in the world have Saturn , but it is coming from a place of deficiency . I will prove this . You know , I will build this business , I hold it , and then I will be worth something . And that's , of course , ridiculous , because doesn't matter how much you prove or check the box or do the thing , that feeling of not being enough will always be there unless you address that . And it's a path of learning to love yourself despite all those trappings of the money or the this or the goal or the thing or the I don't know . How do you feel about that ? That's literally my entire life . I think that the I continue to it goes back to the school setting . I set the goals with the motivation of proving that I can or can't . Right . The deficiency is the is so spot on and thinking that achieving that goal will satisfy that deficiency . But then one of the big issues become that I work on is done comparing it to the next thing . And it's like , when is this enough ? It never ends . You do one thing and then it's not . The one thing I'm trying to do more was like celebrate that and take it in . But for me , it's not like it's done and what's next . And it's it's exhausting . It's an exhausting way live . That's a way of living my entire life . Yeah , that's great . But you know , Michael , I will say no to your point . There's no way I would have accomplished , you know , maybe whether it was like , I don't know , like an athlete growing up or whatever I am . And now there's no way I would have been able to accomplish it if I didn't channel that energy in at least a hundred percent . And that's it , because you're describing the exhaustion . So this can go one of two ways . It can be so exhausting that it's just like depression and you just shut down and it's over . The other one is to . Right , and so clearly , that is what you've done , it's more at a certain point , it is like you will just hit the wall . At certain point you have to realize perfection is not enough . It will never be enough until you decide it's enough . And that is a process that is that is part of your life's journey and part of your life's journey is realizing that because it doesn't matter what you will accomplish at certain point , it has to be it has to come from that place . If I am enough and and it's great you put it to work and that's ideally what you that's happened . And I mean , it's great . It's just , you know , if you will at some point hit the wall in your physical , whatever it is , it's just you can't do it forever . So it's just , you know , being aware of that and working on that . And your rising sign is in Sagittarius . So that's the seeker , the adventure . They speak their truth . It really is about for you finding your authentic path , speaking your truth , you know , really stepping into that , not following anybody else's path , making sure it's really authentic to you , you know , and your intuition and following that , following your gut . That's a big part of your path to fire and water . Look at that . You also have a relationship complex like we were talking about with Kaitlynn or this . Actually , I have this exact one . So your business is in Virgo and you have Saturn to it . So we just talked about Saturn , its frustrations , its boundaries . So there would be a feeling , I would imagine this is this is where relationship twenty two , you're not going to find your person . It comes a bit later and you're actually in your Mars and Venus returns . This would be a good time to be in a relationship , but it would be that feeling of blocks , boundaries , frustration when it comes to a relationship , whether you find who should be the perfect person or something just doesn't feel right and it doesn't feel right or the person is super critical or your super supercritical or they are emotionally unavailable or you could be emotionally unavailable . It's these kinds of things that come up that need to be worked through , whether it's choosing those type of people . And then again , the lesson being needing to love yourself unconditionally , not meeting the other and then being able to be with whoever you want . Yeah . I mean I'm twenty nine and single and ended up on a reality dating shows . They're pretty accurate . I didn't think about the shows . I think my entire twenties were so linear . It was . So what exactly . You said just career check the box be done . I didn't leave space to actually think through this stuff . It was weirdly enough going on that show . And I'm doing this like item interviews and stuff is what I started to kind of like , break me down a little bit to think about it more and go towards that other area . So as for what's the sensitive side , again , would you call it Pisces did hard . Tyson's life was like there was one . God said , I'm so turned on right now , we've got to go . And I think that's amazing . That's so great . Yeah , that's that's a little quick . One of you also , you were born with your Mars in retrograde , too . So coming to that Pisces would have come a little bit later anyway . You know , that was the idea would get turned down a little bit later and now it is . And this is probably a lot of your guys dynamic . That sensitive . Yeah . Oh , I love this . I was just like , well , she's like , oh , it is funny when I'm with somebody and they like , give me their information because I'm always looking at whoever I'm gonna put them in . And then I just start looking myself . And I've been told so many times I just sit there being they're like , what do you do anyway ? That's actually , you know , what I do like about that Pisces too , at that Taurus , because you're saying there is something that's very you being the giver to that . That's kind of a nice combo because it's . Yeah , I mean , you're you're that you need to be with somebody who does know how to give you . So there is that element of you , which is really , really nice . So let's talk about the things that kind of brought you together . You have a few what we call like life changing connections . You know , if you're using the app , the first one is this one . That's just an experience . It's it's like one of the best ones in terms of romantic relationships . It's when you're Venus is conjunct Visi . And this obviously that means nothing to you . I mean , it's more about it's a very it's a very powerful one . You can feel very drawn to each other . It can be a very sort of sensual , tender heart opening one . I mean , it could be a very strong sexual dynamic , too . It's a very sensual , connected one that feels like very personal . It's it's very deep . It's one that can be the nicest ones you can have . You know , it just feels good to be around each other . It's sort of like a feel good energy . And I love that one . That might be one of the draws . And then you have this other one where we said your Mars is in Pisces . It's it's right . It's connected to you , your career and how you are in the world . Is in Pisces , so they're connected , so there's an energy of , like you guys in the world sort of feeling empowered together , like we're powerful together , that there's some way to sort of which also impacts how you are at home . Both of these are like very much about building a home and family and . Also , kind of how you express yourselves in the world , both of these are those kinds of things , so they'd be really nice for building a home , building a family , a certain kind of innate understanding , a certain also feeling of empowerment together when you come together as a unit . And they're kind of rare when we look at those like they don't come up . You know that often , so for like that , yeah , yeah , I like this one thought , OK , now you put your honest to Jason's ascendent and that is like that's very rare . Don't see that very often . But this is like you are a wild card in his life . I mean you would be so . I imagine , I don't know , different and unique and just like taking them to like kind of different places that maybe he hadn't thought of before and changing his path , just sort of this unexpected , unconventional energy that really is about his destiny is about to take that on his destiny path . That's interesting . Unconventional wild card . That is so many in your life that has changed the path that is made you come into your own to totally or no one . Really cool . Yeah , that is off . Well , because your path , your destiny is Sagittarius . I can sense your is right on it . So it's about maybe said seeking searching , being authentic , being true . So she's coming in and like let's , let's get on with it . Let's just activating it . That's the word . I mean . Yeah . Well you know I am . The walls are defined . Yeah . Yeah . Totally very different . I mean , I imagine she's different than anybody you've been with before . These are all what's kind of unique about these connections . They're all ones that are very progressive . They're about like I was saying , that's about your destiny or who you are in the world . Like these are very future oriented kind of things . They're very activating of the future . But , you know , some charts are more about like we've known each other before , they're not progressive , you know , so there's a certain sort of progressive energy here . And you guys do have some Pluto together , which is interesting . So that's like you put it to you , you guys put it to each other . So there's definitely going to be depth . So Pluto is , like you said , it's sort of the underworld . So it gives what is great about it is it gives depth where there otherwise wouldn't be . There's going to places you've never been before , which for some people they like . It's very exciting . It's very sexy . It can be a very sort of sexy thing . Right , because you love it and other people are afraid of those things and they don't like them . And it's like I don't feel in control . And so it's really , again , how who you are and how you choose to relate to it . But there would be for both of you activations that way that can be going into uncharted territory together , pushing each other there . And it sounds like it's quite nice between you . It's not like challenging . It's so funny because I keep forgetting this is a podcast because both of us are just like staring and nodding our head , be like , let's say something , because the words I just like I just keep nodding my head . Yep . Bang on . Bang on . Yeah , right . Wow . So and you guys don't feel overwhelmed by it though . Like you're not like sometimes because it can cause that thing is like whoa hey you know but but overwhelmed by what the like deeper conversations are of it . Or like maybe I can push you into places you haven't been comfortable . I go , yeah , yeah . I wonder , I wonder if you get a little overwhelmed sometimes . I do . I you know , like you live in a state of sensitivity and emotion expressing where I live , my state of like push it away . Like I don't want to go . It's not going to give me the next place . I want to talk about it , you know . Yeah . So yeah . Yeah . It's uncharted territory . Right . And so and we're I'm just like how we like , like let's just it's all good . Let's go . Let's not like I put it away you know , to talk about it and you're not , I don't want to sit here . I don't want to be single . We talk about it again . No . OK , fine . Yeah . Yeah . No , because you especially you put Pluto to his moon , which is an area . So remember that part of you . This is how it is . Here's a goal . I'm going here . She's coming in . And like I said , we're just I mean , just like destroying it and opening you up to . So that's what she's taking that offline . Some people can handle that . Some people can't . That's what I was sort of asking is like , well , that's like . So you're being taken there . Yeah , that's right . And like , sometimes I can get there and sometimes I'm like , I'm not going in right now . I can't do this . Right , right . OK with that . Caitlyn are you like OK or you're getting used to getting better . I'm getting better at that . Sometimes I'm like . OK , like , I don't want to deal with that , it is like sometimes I'm OK with it and sometimes I want to push for therapy . I've talked about this where and by the way , I go . So we go individual . We don't do like couples therapy . We kind of go one on one third . So therapy . When I was talking to him , I would say I will because I actually I'm like a natural giver , like if someone asks for sure . So one of the things I'm working on is like if if she wants to , let's just call it for this podcast , go to Pluto and these conversations , I can get there , but I'll never satisfy her desire to go to Pluto unless I'm fully there . So , like , literally my third was like , get there with her . But you're also very focused on everything you're doing , so don't half ass it . Like if she comes to you wanting X , Y and Z , and right at that moment you can't give her all our energy that they're like , you need to set the boundary , explain when you can get there because it'll be best for you , your happiness and hers . So that's amazing . Yeah , crazy . He's wild . That is . I mean , so he read between your therapist , my therapist and Lisa , I feel like this is like Captain Planet . Yeah , I know . We are going to take over the world powers combined . There you go . Let's see . There's that . There's something healing . He's healing something for you . There's something healing with your relationship . Stuff wounds . There's a healing that makes you want to cry . Yeah . Yes . That is one hundred percent . He is . That's a great word that I never really thought of , of how you like . I always talk about feeling like safe with him and it's just like a whole other level of a relationship than I've ever been in . And it does feel very healing to my awful negative thoughts towards relationships . Like I even still have to work on it , because I still say to him , like like everyone gets divorced or everyone falls out of love and love . But he's very healing in that way . And he just can't even , like , fathom that my brain goes there because he believes in it so much . So it is very healing . Oh , he's got the the areas he's like , we're committed . We're doing this . That's where it's at . Yeah . And and sometimes with it , it can be it's like exactly that . Like you have this wound with relationships , but he's the antiseptic . So every once in a while that's going to feel a little like you're cleaning it up . But the idea that it's ultimately healing , you feeling it so . So you never had like you were never afraid , like you always felt safe so you could go there . There was always that safe place . You didn't push him away right in the beginning . Right . That's there are times you would push me away , like when I even talked about the times where like I could do this alone , you know what I mean ? You're like , I don't need you push away , but that we would like come back to find . But would you actually break up or just more , you know . No , no , no , no , no . It was we wouldn't even take it back . When I say push away , I'm like in a conversation or . Oh , I'm not saying like , you know , let's take a week off . Yeah , right , right , right . Let's clarify that . Yeah , that's beautiful . There's that healing and then . Oh yeah . There's a little Satan you put too . So I mean it sounds like it's working really well for you guys . It's kind of a wide start , but it's a bit of the glue . It's good to have a little saturnine relationship because it means you don't give up . So especially with you because you put it to you . And so you maybe it would be easier for you to walk away without the sat there . That makes sense . Not that you want to . I'm just saying . No , there's this thing of like I'm going to stick around and see about this one . Yeah . Maybe I'll do the work here that I wouldn't do otherwise . You said it helps you put blocks and like boundaries and here let's manifest something together . So sometimes it's hard , it can be nice without it , but sometimes it's nice to have a little bit , especially if , you know , you're like , I don't really need this . You know , this is going to be the thing that's going to say , yeah , maybe I do , yeah . Is there anything alarming in this chart that we should be aware of ? No , but that's it . I mean , some people can look at Pluto and be like , oh , I don't want to deal with it . You know , it's all how you relate to it . Is it the depth she's taking you deeper and you're going there ? If you did not want to go there , you're in a different time in your life . This would be fighting all the time . That's not how it's manifest is all about where you're at and how you're choosing . That's right . I don't know . I'm looking and I'm like , oh , is he really not into , you know , the Pluto ? Is that too overwhelming for him ? Or is he going to go there , like , surrender that part of himself , open his heart and connect from that place ? And the uncontrollable is like how these patterns align . The control level is how you can deal with the way they are . Your choice is your destiny . That's your choice . How how do you want to deal with this ? You know , and that's what I don't know . That's what I look at . You people start this could be challenging . This could be amazing . You also have some of those really life changing , amazing ones that , like I said , we feel building home together . There's like a certain draw , just feeling so good together . They're very rare . So there's these things bringing you together and then there's going to be things that are uncomfortable . But yeah , how you choose to deal with them is this is . I feel like that's so interesting of like how we've come together at this point in our lives , we're so open to those things that the other person brings in , like , yes , we've done the work on ourselves and like it . Yes , it's in a very fascinating place to be together so that it doesn't collide like . Yeah , like a 20 to you guys . I think it would be challenging . Oh my God . Exactly . The amount of times , though , that we have said to one another , thank God we didn't meet a younger age and we started on the plus side . Yeah . So true . So true . Wow . This is I love this stuff so much and I feel like it . I think you're a skeptic when it comes to like , oh , because your birthday , like your Gemini , because it's going to make you this person like when when Lisa explains it in more depth and can look at the birth chart and like talk to you about that , I think it makes you more of a believer . Well , what I like about this , Lisa , is that I don't believe in predicting things . I don't believe that , like someone can tell me what my future is , because if you could do that , you talked about how many things that individual could do to , like , put those in a lottery change , like I agree with you . Yeah . But what I do and I don't also believe that people I tell you , this is who you are , but I do believe in everything that you're saying . Like , listen , this is the way pretty much like the universe was a line at the second you were born . And this is what it could mean for you . Does it or does it ? Not like that . And and I've I've really gotten to you with believing in the universe and certain things like that because I even got him a picture for was it your birthday or Christmas or something ? I got one of those things where I got a picture framed of where the stars were the night that we met . What do you think about it ? Like , we are just so small , there's so much going on . And I'm like , that connects and that makes sense . I don't know . It just it is so fascinating and so wild . And you can't , like , fight it . You can't be like , no , that's not really you can't it . Yeah . Like just surrendering to like you don't have control over everything . There's a lot of stuff at play that you don't , you know , we just think we're controlling everything . And I just it's like there's a lot you're not just surrendering to that , you know , that's all I guarantee . OK , I , I want to put a number on I want to know how many people listen to this podcast and how many download the pattern , download the fan . Because like many . Yeah . Many our producers , she's like just dead . Like it's not want to . How could you not want to . It's so incredible and and great party trick like giving your days away let's say . Yeah . I mean if I'm at a party or a dinner that's pretty much the entire evening . And just and like if listeners are girls for Gayle's podcast , all the single girls is the best way to go . Pick up a guy like I like , put your numbers . Absolutely . You tell them their whole life and then and then wait . What is I'm blanking on what your new thing is called with the pattern and act in it . You'll see Kanfer dating . This would be a great place to meet and that's the idea . Now you'll have this dynamic . You can talk about these pieces of your relationship and well , holy shit , that is vulnerable . You are just helpful in your life to that . Everything that happened to you , what you're going through has led you to to this . Now you're helping so many other people . And it's got and you can just tell you're so passionate about it and knowledgeable and it's just incredible . You're the kind of person on the podcast that I could be like , OK , who can we do next ? And I could sit here with you all day long . And that's so fun . Oh , my gosh . Is there anything else like where people can find I mean , obviously the app ANOP or an app App Store and run Android , you can download the pattern , you can sign up for Kinect . Well , in the pattern dotcom , you know , there's some stuff there , but yeah , just go download it and enjoy . If you're single , get on Kinect . That's so fun . And what a full circle moment to have you now on the pod and talking about our compatibility after years . I can't believe that that's so . I did not understand . Yeah , really . I understood it very well . Yeah . It's all meant to be in all of our engagement . Yeah . You are so full circle and I appreciate you coming on and talking to us about that so much and I can't wait for people to get it . And then I have a Facebook group and I just can't even imagine how that's going to go . I'm like going to stop my Facebook group to see what everybody's . Yeah . About it . That's awesome . Thank you so much for being on the podcast today . Oh , thank you guys so much . You're amazing . Congratulations . I'm really excited . Thank you so much . I have to take off my . I'm Caitlin Bristow . I'll see you next Tuesday . Thanks for listening to Off the Line with Caitlin Bristo , get new episodes every Tuesday exclusively on podcast , One Dotcom , the podcast , one app and subscribe on Apple podcast . Hey , do you own or rent your own home ? I know you do , but it can be hard work , you know , it's easy . 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