Redemption

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I started putting all these little tools in my pocket, started to reflect a lot, and meditate has to be a balance between movement and rest. It all starts with us. You cultivate these qualities in ourselves to become a beacon of light for others to please join us on the journey. Mark Divine Show Who we are. From Girl, the one studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla show. Adam's guest today, Dominic Monaghan and stuntman Kim Kahana, senior with Gina Grant on news and Paul Bryan on sound effects. And now the migrants DeSantis flew to Martha's Vineyard have now been on more private planes than his entire family. Adam Carolla. Yeah. Get it on. Got to get it on. The choice we're going to mandate, you get it on. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks to one friend, right? Gina, that's right. Hand ball, Brian, guys. Country music is amazing. But then it's smoking. How we suspected there were actors. I did. I did an infomercial. What? But pocket fisherman? It was one of my first paid comedic gigs. I was audience warm up. Oh, an infomercial. Wow. That's way more respectable than being in the commercials, going to say those go on for like half an hour. The I mean, the final product. Yeah, the Bob Eubanks was the host. What was he hockey game show host? Yeah, he yeah. Bob Eubanks sort of the last real white guy on TV. You know, I mean, he was a white guy. Bob Eubanks, you know what I mean? He just looked the part. Did he do the match game? No, he did. Hollywood, not Hollywood Squares. He did. About your loan. He didn't know he. Yeah. You know, he did a big one sneaker deal, but now was one of the ones who were dating the newlywed game. Yeah, that's right. That's the famous in the butt bob. Yeah, in the butt. Yeah. Where's the most uncomfortable place or strangest place you've had sex? As she said in the butt, bob? Yeah, he was a delight. Went out to lunch with him. Wow. The infomercial was for this hand cream that repelled oils and stains and odors. Hmm. So for what purpose? So who would be the most interested in this? Everybody. There were surgical gloves have been around for a long time, but nobody thought, Well, wouldn't. A mechanic working at an oil change place like benefit from putting on the same gloves that the surgeon is putting on or the guy who's doing prep work in the kitchen or something like that? They never left the O.R. right. They just were there. God forbid you use these things that work for other applications. Yeah. Now it's it's commonplace to go behind the scenes at a mechanic shop or butcher something like that. It's just the guys wearing the gloves. You know, they didn't. We weren't able to figure out how to get the gloves outside of the hospital, so we needed other means for transmission fluid not to stain your cuticles. Wow. And that was this magical hand cream that you'd mix up and then, you know, you'd slice and dice an onion and then force the person to smell your hand and they go, no onion odor whatsoever. I'm not uninterested in this product. I just want to know who I was or can't think of in the cosmos of tumors. Think of a name of it. But anyway, on a on on happier news, Shango 92 years young, three years young is going to join us that we discovered from Danger Island. We don't want any more guests under 90. Yes, they. The Danger Island was the interstitial with the banana splits and Jan Michael Vincent, one of his first roles and directed by Edgar Wright. Now, who did you say? I don't know why that name popped in my head. It was a famous director. Which movie? No, no. The interstitial or the the Richard Donner. He did a Superman c**kney. Sorry, the way it's a good Dominic Monahan's. I look to you, right? I know I'm sorry. I for a second, I looked at another guy. So and then the call Shango would go. How does it go? Oh, Django. And so the way it would work is if. Well, we'll play a little bit of Django, the actual Django, what's the most interesting could be the most interesting man, certainly most interesting bio I've ever read in my life, but narrative blog Morgan, do you have any ideas about how to get out of this one? Oh yes, I wish all Django was here. Somebody just yell, Oh, Django, like the Candyman or something. They're happy. They show up. They're being surrounded by paint painted face natives, and they're probably going to be on the menu tonight. And all you do is scream, Oh, Django ! And he comes sliding in on a zip line on it, and he's a stuntman, and he spoke gibberish in the in endanger island, right? But Dawson has his bio, and his bio is insane. Now look, when you get to ninety two, you've usually done a couple of things in your life, but this guy started early. He dropped out of school in third grade and a nine tried to stowaway on a ship headed for San Francisco, he was found and sent back in Hawaii. He was in Hawaii before he witnessed Pearl Harbor at the age of 11. After that, I tried again to stowaway on another ship headed for San Francisco. This time he was successful, and then at age 13, he hitchhiked across the U.S. alone, sometimes stealing to eat. He began performing as a knife and fire dancer. Wow. Stage show and served as a paratrooper in the Korean conflict. Sure, he was captured shot down by an enemy firing squad. He faked his death. And was left for dead in a mass grave. Jesus. He is permanently blind in his left eye from a hand grenade explosion. He's got a silver star, two bronze stars and two Purple Hearts. Wow. And he survived a plane crash in Texas that killed 32 other people, of course. And then he started working as an actor and film became a stunt performer for better pay. At one point, he was the highest paid stunt, one of the highest paid stunt people in the business. And then he played Congo on Down Danger Island, yeah. That's when he walked into my life, actually slid into it on a road, swung in. I wonder what his parents story is if he's still trying to stowaway at nine years old and 11 years old didn't care about their kids nearly as much as we do today. But did they notice he's on a steam boat headed for the mainland? He did stunts in cool hand, Luke. Planet of the Apes, Shay Patent, The Omega Man, Joe Kids, Soylent Green and the Smokey and the Bandit franchise. Oh yeah. And because of his size, he could play women too, right? Yeah, he did. Sally Field's Flying Nun, sure, because she had to fly, but Sally wasn't going to do that, so Jango was called. So for me, oh, tango is. If you're standing in line at the cafeteria in the fifth grade and somebody dropped their tray of slop, you would then yell Jungle Alert all the other kids to make fun of the kid who knock the trail. And it goes without saying they all understood what you were saying. Everyone understood. Oh, chango, so much so. That there's a song called Okavango that was written lest you guys think that I'm just kind of pulling this stuff out of my a*s. This is woven into the fabric of America. Oh boy. That's true. Not a bad to talk tough guy, Chris. I'm not worried about myself getting 55 percent down. What? Schemes like, no, I'm not quite sure how to do what I. Yeah, we got a lot. It's a full 20 years after that show was on some punk rocker lo fi rock vibe. Yeah. I don't want to know any more about the song. I feel like we need to know who's that by. What was it? The Lizards, OK, 1995 with, I was told, 96 in the other room. Well, it charted late 95. Well, and, you know, through the summer. Sure. Yeah. So I don't know who the lizards are, but big danger island fans. Evidently, you know, this is good because, you know, like you don't want your kid to swear, you don't want them to get to have it. You're like, we come up with like a crazy word instead of, you know, going to f**k front of the kid. So I think if you spill something, I'm going to introduce a jungle style jungle like the lizards had to have been foreign, Australian or British or something. And this bizarre concoction only made it to their land many years later. Because why was someone in the 90s, presumably in their 20s in a band, give a s**t, you know Django is. I learned of him yesterday. Why do you hate them so much? Who the lizard? I'm saying there's no way they could have had nostalgia as a 20 year olds for something that happened in 1970 69. Django also did work in TV did Mission Impossible. He did the $6 million man, one of the greatest parts of my childhood. Vegas Magnum P.I. Charlie's Angels. Quincy. Fantasy Island. God. The Brady Bunch. What? Where, when? When they go to Hawaii. Oh, obviously, I pick your partner with the Tiki Totem. Oh, like MacArthur returned to the Philippines. That's right. Shango stows away this time. First Class Pan-Am. That's right. With Robert Reid by his side. Right? Yeah. So he is. Is he ninety two or ninety three? Am I screwed that up? Crystal, tell me. But eighty two, it's says ninety two on the on on the ninety two. So we'll we'll talk to him. Do you have any more on him? Dawson Sorry. No, that covered it. You got it from the the TV was just the wrap of it. And now he's in Florida doing a like the old school. Yeah, in Florida. It also says that he has six black belt in karate, aikido and jujitsu, and he broke his bones more than 60 times. That's what I was looking for. Yeah, crazy, insane. And still here, everyone and complete bygone era. The stowing away on ships, the hitchhiking across America. They're sort of walking on their film sets and finding work. That's all it's all done away with. Oh, you got to be in the union and there's no there's no more of this, no more by the seat of your pants, and everyone plays all part of the show, I'm guessing. Who else could you get to play Django? Yeah. You know, if you was like, I want more money, OK? Otherwise, we have that that character is gone. All right, Gina, you got some homeless vet you wanted to share with us. Well, you know, I've been thinking a lot about the face, the true face of homelessness. And you know, I live in the valley and I know that up until very recently, our governor has said that it's a woman with three kids and I'm looking for her. I look for her every day. I look high and low, I look on the off ramps, I look everywhere and I haven't found the elusive mom with the three, by the way, is drew always points out we have plenty of places for that woman to go right. If she exists on the street with her three kids, she may she would be welcome in to many shelters. Yes, she would be taken care of. The only the only exception is the family that parks themselves by like the target with the sign, and then the dad comes and picks him up. That's a totally different horse of a different color. But I go to this very lovely dog park every day because we're puppy sitting. And everyone's super cool. Only a story if you had no dog. Well, I'm glad you said that because it's awesome. You can go any hour of the day. We do something that I like to call doggy disco. At the end of the day, everyone gets glow sticks. It's great. And take the kid at a great time. Upstanding community, great dogs. But yesterday trouble was afoot. Oh, showed John go. So everyone's playing with their dogs and having a gay old time. And then we just hear this f**king scream wild screaming next to the park. So that was the first clip I sent you around. Let's see if you can hear this guy. The dogs are starting to get upset. They're going crazy. Oh, he's just singing here. Singing, screaming, singing so loud, walking around. All the dogs are upset. All the dogs have left their post like, OK, whatever guys is walking around, there's two porta potties out there, whatever. What godforsaken part of town is? How dare you? Dee Valley. OK, so so whatever. Then he comes in and he takes a shine to my little pup. So. I'm real close by, I'm sitting right there and I thought, you know, he's a nonstop monologue, let's just let's just get a get a clip for the show. So this is one of the many things he was saying. Yeah, how do you see the Green Mile? He's talking the dogs good is sitting alone, talking to God knows who that guy is. So why did he do things like before? This is Michael Clarke Duncan impression. Is there a chance he's talking to someone that I'm the only one there? No, no, no. Because those are that's music screaming along to it. He takes whatever's in his bottle and starts dumping it around the dogs. And it's like, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. He's like, Oh no, it's water. It's great. You could freeze saltwater and drink it. I'm like, I talked to Vinny about that. So apparently this is also just a wonderful place for people to come on up and go insane. Yeah. The thing is is nobody wants to be the person that walks on the other side of the street. But on the other hand, with so many just nutty, volatile. Who knows what could happen? People just wandering, circumnavigating the neighborhoods like, yeah, we're freaked out. There's been too many cases of them punching. People are pushing them in front of trains or whatever it is. And that's the thing. I mean, it's like he's, you know, how violence has this new umbrella that it means so many things, but so does harmless, always harmless. I'm like, I don't know. He's kind of f**king with the dog. I'm dog sitting and he's harmless until he's not seems a radical to me. Less than two seconds. Right? But he did get up in Riverdance, which was awesome. He was singing a song about Jesus. He was listening to Christian Rock. He got up and started like hop dancing in river dancing. That was f**king awesome. And then I said, You know what? I don't want to chance this, and we left crew while you're ahead. That's right. So, you know, mom and three kids haven't seen her. See more of this guy. Yeah. That's all there is. Who else would sleep on pavement? That's all. So all you need to know the and also everyone, you know, would have access to somebody so far if they weren't junkies and they hadn't worn out their welcome. There's the concept of you having your wits about you and not being addicted and calling any family member or any friend and saying, Hey, man, I'm out of money. Can I crash in your pool house or on a futon or an inflatable mattress in your garage? There's nobody who wouldn't get that invitation. Yes. And just to add a little sweetener on it, he he asked us, which was very nice. I mean, technically asked my dog, but I was standing there if he was allowed to smoke weed. He pulls out a vape, pens the dog, saying dog was f**king down. He pulls out a vape, pens, starts inhaling like a motherf**ker and telling the two dogs that were sitting in front of him that he got a great deal on this. So I understand self-medicating. I understand that people do it. But like somebody, please help this person because he doesn't belong in the dog park talking to dogs. So speaking of homicidal maniacs, I interviewed Detective Paul Holes. I'll take a knee. What? Yeah, I love Paul home near. You know, there's a whole oh, there's a whole hashtag campaign called Hot for Holes because, oh, girls love Paul. Who is this man? He explained. He's a cold case detective. He's got guys easy on the eyes. He was one of the guys, or maybe the guy from the Golden State Killer, the guy who like when the case re-entered the story. Yeah, and Oswald's wife. And yes, yes, yes, yes, he was. He was that guy. But he works on many cold cases. Just had a discussion with him about sort of the serial killing and like where it where it was, where it is. You know what I mean? Like now, it's kind of interesting. I have a clip. Is there? I mean, the Golden State Killer. This guy was, Oh man. I'll play a couple clips. Who? Who's the worst of the worst that maybe we've never heard of. Some of these guys have better publicists than others. They get sort of sexy names and Night Stalker and Hillside Strangler and stuff like that. And you've heard of them. But in terms of body count damage, you know, it may it may be, you know, in the middle somewhere. But then there's other guys like I heard some guy out of Russia that killed, you know, I don't know, 80 people or something like that. And then there's the way they do it and who their who their victims are and the age of the victims and things like that. But who are perhaps the mind is sort of the worst of the worst. You know, that's it, that's such such a hard question for me to answer, because because of all the various variables involved, you know, when you talk about the sheer numbers of victims, somebody like a Sam little who was praying, you know, he's he's basically moving around the nation, going into the underbelly of various jurisdictions and lowering, you know, drug addicted sex workers, in essence and killing them. What year was he active? Jeez, he he was active, I believe, as early as in the 70s, up until through the 90s and, you know, was literally going back and forth between Florida, California up into the northern part of the Midwest, and he's got over 90 plus victims, really? Yeah. And I think, you know, forty five have been confirmed, you know, but he he admitted to many more and the people that are involved with with investigating him believe that he's being honest about, you know, the number of victims that he had. Yeah, because there's the guy you've heard of, but they got nine victims or 13 victims, and then there's a bunch of guys in the 80s and over 100 with some people. Yeah, or they'll say, like, well, he's admitting to 20, so you can multiply that by however many. Yeah. Then we Charles Manson, the scariest dude of the decade of the century. Five five victims sold the baby, too. Right? We also then start getting into the Golden State Killer, and I didn't know he called his victims. I didn't know that because he did a lot of just raping and but like f**king with him afterwards, you mean? Or like, no. Maybe I'll tell saying sorry. Oh no. No, he f**king with them, right? Calling torturing them. I mean, but I mean, before or after, like leading up to it or like I after a sometimes jarring 24 years after Jesus, when he was on the lam, when when the women there, the life is finally on track and they can put this behind them? Yes. Yes. I'll play the second clip about him terror terrorizing people long after he he was a cop, the ex-cop, and he would break into people's houses and they would kill a lot of them. But some he would just rape. I think there had to be a part of him that sort of knew this must be looming somewhere. But now I guarantee he was following his case, you know, through the years in the newspapers fact, after a DNA link to Southern California cases in 2001 was made. He called up a victim that he attacked in 1977. You know that two days later, after the Sacramento Bee published a newspaper article, so he was following the case. And I guarantee you all through online resources, he's following the case. I believe he was constantly looking over his shoulder. In fact, when he was under surveillance, he did. You know what what Ken Clark called Gypsy Rock, where he gets up, you know, onto the freeway in his car and is doing counter-surveillance moves as he drives to the airport, pulls off to the side of the airport before he's committed to have to go to the terminal. And everybody who's following him from law enforcement in pursuit has to pass him by not to burn the surveillance. And then he just flips around and drives back home. And they backed off surveillance, thinking, Oh no, we've been made, you know, and we don't know. Did he hang up because he saw some strange car or some strange, you know, undercover guy in the neighborhood? Or is this something that he did routinely because he was so paranoid? It's possible both. You know, I just don't know. He called the victim. What was what motivated that? I mean, I know there was a story that motivated, but what what was he trying to get from that phone call? Well, this this is what he was doing back in the 70s. We actually have a tape recording of him calling his very first victim up in Sacramento, you know, doing basically what it almost sounds like. You'd call a teenage boy, you know, heavy breathing. But then he starts in this tape recording and said he raped her in May and June of 76. He calls her in January a 78 year and a half later, but ultimately is through clenched teeth. He's telling this woman, I'm going to kill you, I'm going to kill you. And this is what he was about. He was about, he's a psychological sadist. He loved inflicting fear. And so he was calling many of his victims back in the day. This particular case 24 years after he attacked this woman, and now he's known what he was known as East Area Rapist in Sacramento back in the 70s. Well, once DNA and I was the one that did this linked him to the original Night Stalker homicides in Southern California and the Sacramento Bee put a newspaper article out there. He called this woman 24 years later to let her know he was still around. And when he called her what he said to her, all he said was, Remember when we played? Oh, of course, she freaked out. But that's what he got off on. This is part of his fantasy, he loved that psychological terror. Well, they go, Gina. I would the second I got that call, I would go. OK, hang up. Change my name. Get a new identity and f**king move. I mean, if he knows your phone number, assuming he's calling a home phone, then you're a sitting duck and you have to leave your life behind. That's horrifying. Oh God, I was so bad for the husband, too. So we got to move this one and I passed and I know we've been made. Well, I'll I'll get a deadbolt for the front door. Do you understand that this person raped and tried to kill me two decades ago? Yes. Two decades ago you said it's your phone number. You said it yourself. I've seen composites of the guy. He's not bad looking. Mommy, daddy, who is on the phone? Get your suitcase off there. Anything you can pack put in power more money. Oh, uncle's coming over. I got a package. I know you're a man, but get your boots. Put them on. You sleep on the floor with the window open sleep all night long in the car. No. No, you're taking statistics at school, right? Yeah, very advanced. The chances of the same unicorn being right s**t being mounted twice by the same s**t. Help me out here. You're going to get raped in the car. So that's close to your dream. Oh God. Twenty four years, twenty four years later, your phone rings. Nope. Not interested in that. Right. At some point, I mean, I could only imagine a worse person on the planet. And then guys like the Test Detective Paul, I mean, there's there's one of those, there's a hundred of those guys for every f**king nut job serial killer. True. And wasn't you guys might have gotten into it, but wasn't he ultimately found out and essentially caught because, like a distant cousin did a DNA test? I thought that was in my memory, in many people's memory that somebody outed him, like the Unabomber, like from a from a family member sort of outed him. Right? But he thought that was how he did find the distant cousin in one of those 23 and me whatevers. But it wasn't because the person came forward. Oh, it was just banked and it was just me, bang. They just look at all those databases and that's what that's what happened. All right. Kim Kahana, right? Ninety two years young in from Florida. We're going to talk to him in a second first to tell you about concrete. Your body makes half the creatine it needs. The other half comes from your diet. But most American diets are low and creatine rich foods concrete patented creatine HDL is a favorite creatine of elite, well-informed athletes. I take this stuff every day. Dr. Drew does, as well as the number one bioavailable creatine. That's the only microdosing creatine. Just one small scoop per 100 pounds, so your body weight shake it up. 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And then I started thinking about you and Jan Michael Vincent back in the day and Danger Island, and then we started looking into your life. And it turned out to be fascinating. So where did how did the whole danger island thing come about for you? I was working on a shirt with Gregory and got an audition to go in and. Do a back flip. They wanted to pack on John and I had no idea what this was about. So I didn't go in because when you're working, you want that job. You don't want to go in for an interview. So I waited a couple of days and I had a friend of mine that was a stop to at time. He took me into the studio Hanna-Barbera for the interview. And I went in and they gave me a script, and I'm not good at reading and a written script sometime. So what I did was I. I jumped on his desk and threw the script in the air and there to back through said thank you and walked out. And the next day I got a call and I got the part Where did you film Danger Island Mexico? Acapulco and Mexico City? And Richard Donner was the the director, Richard Donner, which the director. I met him. He liked me. We got along fine and he kind of let me have the range to do anything I wanted on. And you worked a course with the young Jan Michael Vincent before he really turned into he was a Hollywood leading man hunk a couple of years later, right? Yes, he was a very. What kind of guy was he? Because I don't think any I know the guy who lived in Malibu and horses. He got married on his arm. It was just a Gulf War guy. The only thing is he did a lot of drugs and drank it on the set. It did. So you you're born in Hawaii. You witnessed Pearl Harbor. Yes. Where were you when Pearl Harbor, when the attack on Pearl City, City and I could see the whole dock, but I didn't know it was a bombing because it was in the morning. I know kids go to Catholic and church. So when we heard all the noise and then we didn't know it was a bomb. We just weren't. And then when you see fires and all the shooting, then we knew something was going on. And so you stowed away on a ship and came to the mainland? Where were your parents during this whole ordeal? Well, I never had a mother. I never knew my father. I didn't know if I had any such three brothers. My father was in the Coast Guard and he was always out to sea or traveling. So I was raised by teenage what we call uncle or guarantee in Hawaii. We call them Cheetos. And that's how I grew up on my own, basically. And so you got to the mainland, to San Francisco, I guess, when you're 13. Yeah. And did you know anybody, did you have a plan, a place? I had a plan. I had my father had told me about an uncle of mine. You called him an uncle that lived in New York, and he played in a big, big band with a cool got. And so my plan was to get to the mainland and to get to New York somehow and find him, which I did well. And so did you have any money or any provisions at all? No. I would go to farms and I would steal out of food bands. I would not go to windows, right? I would say people eating in a restaurant or work or chopping wood doing something just to just to get food. And how long did it take you to hitchhike to New York? I think it took me about four weeks. Yeah, I took training to train. I learned about a stranger to come and work with them and live with them basically is 13 at this point. Yeah. 13. I mean, talking about 1941, 42 somewhere around there, somewhere around there. So you get to New York and how do you run this uncle down? Oh, I tried to find out the big band swing, the big names, and I got names of certain people and this thing, so I would go to the stage and snatch questions. And I had a little stage and Jeremy knew about cool guy and about the people in it. And I waited there all night and Joe, all the bad people came out and I told this little guy that was through a piano and I went over to him and finished the stage and he told me, yes, he knew my father and stuff like that. And I stayed there for, oh, probably about six months. And was there any like when you got to New York because it's a it's a question that's ongoing now. Were there services? Were there places you could go? Were there soup kitchens and outreach outreach? Well, I never knew about it for most people. I never knew you could even do that. I would beg on the streets and get money and and people would help me. It would be in a lot of people. I would just come over and buy you something hamburger or something. And so then after six months of staying with the uncle, now you're the ripe old age of almost 14. It's time to strike out on your own again. Or what was the plan? Well, he taught me how to play instruments out of order to draw and guitar. So I learned all that stuff and I would get into little bands there, there and just make some money. And then I went back. I took a train and went back to California because my father was in California at that time, not Hawaii. He was in a different station in St. Peter. And so you reunite with your dad. What's your dad think about your journey? Great, Angel, what you. We never got along, you didn't notice, so now you make it back to California now we're still World War Two is still raging on at this point. Right, right. And what's your plan from San Pedro or I had no plan. I didn't know what to do. So my father put me into the Coast Guard. I was 16, I think. And how do you end up in Korea? After after the Coast Guard got out of the Coast Guard on. I was 1949, it's going into 50 and 50 career broke out, so I decided to go in the army. All enlisted in the Army and went through boot camp at Fort Benning and learned how to be a paratrooper. Wow. And you end up in Korea and then there's the part that seems insane, which is captured prisoner of war firing squad, mass grave paratrooper. Yeah. Well, no, we got captured. We were in a different prisoner when we went behind enemy lines, always Comancheros paratroopers. That was the 182 savage and captured, and we were brought to a prison camp. And then one morning we were brought out in a truck and lying down. It was about. I don't know. Maybe two or three hundred dollars. Lined up and they had bulldozers there and they had dug a big hole. And it wasn't that we didn't know what was going on or what they were going to do is they were going to kill us, the burials. Which they did. So how did that walk us through that? I find that to be interesting. Their work it's--you know I kind of stayed there and I tried to watch the person that were shooting at me watching her finger. And when I thought he pulled the trigger, I fell into the hole with the rest of the people, she said. And then they bury you guys alive. Are you alive? Very sad. And I didn't know where I was upside down inside out. We're not dating. And I kept the people that were laying on me to get air pockets. And finally, it felt like it felt like a hundred dollars. I finally got to the top and felt here. And looked out and all these guys were drinking and laughing, and they're going. And I waited until it got dark and crawled out into the trees and forest and made it back to my car. Oh my god. Did anyone else make it out of the mass grave? Not, I know to this day. Yes. Wow. So then now you got the Silver Star and two bronze stars and two Purple Hearts. I'm guessing that was one of the Purple Hearts. Or was there something there to other folks that had the Purple Heart burned out? The second time came from a different star of the tree. A different a different mission, did you say? Yes. So now you get out of the army and you go back where? I went to. I was I was carved up pretty bad, I got wounded, pretty bad, I was blind and they sent me to New York to get an operation. And I got an operation there, and I could see barely. And went back to California to find out about where I live, what I was going to do if I was going to stay with my father and so forth. It jumping ahead. There's also a pretty insane story about a plane crash. That shows you where and when I when I took this plane from New York, it crashed killing field and broke apart, and I was sitting in the very back and the front people were about thirty two people that got killed. I broke both arms. How many people were on the plane? Do you remember? I don't remember. Over 100 people, I add. Wow. And that the plane crash in the mass grave are not too many years apart. He had to feel either lucky or super unlucky, trying to trying to think, Did you ever wonder it's pretty lucky to get away from a lot of different. So you make it back to L.A. and when does the showbiz and the stunt stunt? I get back to California. My father said, if I could stay with em, we're not to get a job in every tent. And when I was younger, I was doing the show more than my audience because I grew up with orange and. So I went to the seven seasons on Hollywood Boulevard across the street from a government theater and asked if I could get a job. And there was a man who actually there and he liked me and took me there and started teaching me more. So I worked there. In the nighttime and the waiters that worked there worked in the studios as extras and asked me if I wanted to be an extra and I said, Well, what did I do? And so they took me into the studio and I shall wear an extra dough and they get like eight dollars and fifty cents a day. And then I saw cowboys on voices that were falling off the horses getting shot. And I thought, Well, how much do they get? And they get two hundred and fifty dollars. I don't think it will help. I was in Korea getting no market for why don't I do that? The only thing I had to do was find out how to ride a horse and get into the stunt business, which is not an easy thing to do. By the way, I do believe the Seven Seas turned into kind of a new wave or punk nightclub in like the 80s because there was a seven seas in Hollywood when I was like 19 and it was hang out like, I think it was still going strong into the into the 80s probably took on a new motif. This is tango stable. Yes, you're right, right? Right? So you start, you start getting into stunting. Did you come across Hal Needham or. Well, no, I I didn't know what to do. You had to know how to ride a horse. So I wanted to find out who the top stuntmen were and their names runs the EPA's family. Johnny uprooted his family. And you could not. They were the two top rated stunt guys in the stunt business. So I found out where they live. Knocked on the door and asked them to teach me, and I never said, Why would you have to learn how to take care of the animals first? So I would go in in the morning and clean up horse manure, feed the horses. And he would teach me how to ride horses in order room to charitable. Bush took months at a time. First movie had ever worked on. They took me to the movies. Yakima Canuck or Canup was famous stunt guy. Another New Yorker, McConaughey was one of the most famous and Johnny uppers and the emperor's yak. A lot of top I. So he lived in North Hollywood, California, and he. Oh, well, then they movers. They moved from Chatsworth to North Hollywood inside North Hollywood, died in North Hollywood. That's where he was. He was on the corner by my house. He was a grandfather of one of the kids I knew. And it was like Yakima. His house is there and we didn't, you know, he got demolished. The only stuntman to get an Oscar for here? Well, he did this pioneer this move. I don't know what he called that, but he got on the front. He he jumped from horse to horse to horse and run and go forward and off when the wagon train got out of the way. I don't know. He had a he was the only reason he made a lot of stunt equipment or the stunt man, and we still use that equipment today. And it is interesting there was and maybe still is a stunt school in Chatsworth, California, because that was mine. That was yours. My God. One. You think the British don't go in the world and it stunk, people didn't like it. Oh, so that was your place and off of, I don't know, Owen's mouth or something. Yeah. Well, John, I don't know. One smiled at my school, you know and smile. I know. I know. That's my school. Oh, that's so crazy. I used to work at a cabinet shop and owns mouth, and there's just I don't think people realize that even through the 80s, there were big, vast vacant lots and land like Chatsworth, people and horses. It was, oh yeah, it was well into the 80s that people had horses and land and stuff, and there was a stunt school and my boss, my boss Tommy lived the the cabinet shop was off of Owen's mouth and deep Chatsworth. And I used to drive home and I'd look at the stunt school because they had a tower guy sound like a fall tower in the back. And I just kind of go, how would if I could do a stunt for something? I'm shocked. You didn't pull in one day and see what's what? Well, I'm guessing they were charging and I didn't have any money, but I knocked on the door and Chicago. That was your stunt school. No one's mad that I was mine. Wow. That was one of the first ones out. And I guess the stuntman didn't like it because you were graduating a lot of people into their community. Making the stunt business is and down from father to son to daughter. And they have secrets that they don't want other people to teach. My dear, it's not the secret with the teachers safety. And how are you keeping her safe? Go through. We had no safety rule. Yeah, it was like it's like magicians being like, I don't know about this magic class, right? Were you for a while? After about three years of working, the stunt community came back and now I mean, now we have strong schools all over the world with a lot of them. Were you? Did you have a special gag that you were known for, like being lit on fire or high falls or horses or? I did drug motorcycles? Oh, and that's getting even better. Yes. Yeah. I did a lot of tricks for Motorcycle Road Barrows Jump Dome. I did crazy things, which you wouldn't do that. So you were like in an omega man. I think at some point he got on a motorcycle. Yes. Heston did that's on his CV here. Mega Man. Oh yeah. Worked on the movie. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sorry, sorry. I'm good, but I'm not that good. But you know, though, there's the Owens mouth. Oh, that's nice kismet. So you did. You did. Motorcycles was kind of your specialty. Yeah, I was my spiritual group, but I learned from Orange got out of the fire. I. I was always a guy that did high diving. I did. Or Elvis Presley run an alcohol group. I did off the cliff. They used to be a big deal. The cliff divers of Acapulco, I mean, they wide world of sports would cover it as they should at school. They I would watch it, and it was always crazy because of how close it would come to the rocks and how the water would come in, and you would only have six feet to get into. Yeah, that seemed like the scary part. Any good stories about, I don't know, breaking bones or crashing motorcycles? Well, I I have broken about 60 bones in my life. I broke my back twice, one on this one. Recharge branch. I used a double john structure for about 20 years, so I got hurt a couple times per game and my arm was a major collarbone. Everything's been shattered somehow before, mainly because of me, because I was too stubborn for this. Yeah, so stunts have come a long way. They're a lot safer now. A lot more regulated. Well, believe it or not, we have more people, more young kids getting killed today than we did before, really, because the trains are only thinking about what to do. You're not thinking about the job, but stunts in movies are stunts of guys trying to do crazy stuff on BMX. Movies are really fun, dance and movies. We just had to guard a woman, a girl and a boy, and I sure got killed one or multiple one on a motorcycle. Well, what is the craziest stunt you've seen? Like they first off, they had a movie called Stunt Man, but they're doing. They did a movie called Hooper. And I think Jan Michael Vincent, you had to work it over. Hey, did a fall off a helicopter ski and do an airbag? I've got. I don't know. You were there. I did I did Roper, but the scariest thing I ever did. Well, it's going for one or through another way, worrying about 10000 feet without no parachute. Wow. A James Bond movie. What movie was that? Or airport service by Brock Airport? Seventy five. What kind of airplane? It was RDC. It was from a military helicopter to ATC. The idea was the pilot project at Arsenal, so they had to get a pilot for the plane, so they transferred from an airplane to the other part. Yeah, the airport series, which gave way to the airplane series, there is a 75 76, there was there was one with the Concorde. Oh s**t. Yeah, yeah. So what did you do on Whooper? Oprah, we did car strong what we did. We must have had. Maybe 200 brand new training. And we crush them like crazy. Everything is a big crack. Hooper is worth a watch because Scott Jan, Michael Vincent at the height of his powers. Burt Reynolds is as Burt Reynolds as he's ever been, the height of his Burt Reynolds ness. It's funny. There's a lot of laughs in it and crazy dance and analog stunts. Yeah, here on Wikipedia, it says the film serves as a tribute to stunt men and stunt women and what was once an unrecognized profession. So this is like a love letter to the stunt community. They they took down a whole old smokestack and timed it, so the car sped just underneath it. As this giant brick smokestack was falling down, they jumped the car over a ravine like 300 feet with a jet with a rocket on it. Our needle was in charge of that. Yeah. Hal Needham was the guy who stunt guy who then kind of wrote those movies, but they weren't really scripted, completely sketch. He was a friend of Burt together. And when you were doing stunts, A.J. and live with the star and you said you just became one of them. What do you think about Tom Cruise doing so many of his own stunts? I think not. Yes. Good for you, Mr. Connor alluded to it. But have you noticed speaking of Tom Cruise and his crazy stunts, have you noticed the sort of swing back towards practical stunts from CGI? It feels to me like there's so much more now there's real on the scoreboard now there's too many CGI storms and people don't know the difference, you know, with the green screen and everything. It's taken away from the stunt community. I'm going to take another deep dive. Maybe it's a Florida thing. Maybe it's just an era thing. Do you know the detective J.J. Arms? No. Oh, damn damn it. We're on a roll there. It was a private detective who lost his hands and had different attachments on it. There was a whole action figure about it. Super 70s. But a real guy, a real guy is still alive, I think, and whose name is J.J. Arms, even though he blew his blue, his hands off. Connie was injured and long balls. Yes. What a crazy journey. What a crazy story. I'm looking. You have a book out, right? Kahana The Untold Stories. Yes, there is a book, and you can find it wherever you find finer books on Amazon, Amazon as well, who list some of the notables you've worked with over your career. Oh right, John Richard. You could sit down with John Wayne and have a beer. Walt Disney. Oh, my lunch. Two hours. James Gardiner, I mean, just tons and tons of good people, you can definitely stop after John Wayne and Walt Disney to get better than that. It's all worth it. I don't know all of them, but with to break up with your work on what you work with with Newman cool hand Luke, you see me put the egg in his mouth. Oh my god. You think the famous scene? Oh my God. He was a great guy. He would make up are in many of his station wagon or the stunt guys, and after we would wrap it all have a couple of drinks. I mean, some of your stories were great, too by Burt Reynolds and those guys. They took good care of some people. What a crazy life. I'm so glad we went down your rabbit hole because a few days ago I was just talking about Django. And next thing you know, here we are at about by between you and Sid Croft of Sid and Marty Craft that combined. It's got tough argument to figure out who's had a more complex, interesting life. I'll give the nod to you because you were buried alive in Korea. You touched them over the edge. Yeah. And the plane crash as well. Kim Carter, thank you so much for joining us. The school kahana stunt and film schools in Florida. You can visit their Facebook page to learn more. And I'm glad to hear that after all these years, Shanghai is still going strong. Rather, turn to when your documentary on me, and it probably won't be edited until next year on January four. Come back when it comes out. Come back. I will watch the hell out of that. And just for anyone who can't see right now, you're sitting in an incredible room with like katana swords and badass stuff. So that's amazing. Or it's like a museum here. All pictures on the wall of all your Star Wars and shout out to Kim kind. Thank you so much for joining us. You're welcome. Thank you. Oh man. Awesome. I got to tell you between him and Sid Croft living that way. When you talk to someone in their 90s, you worry a little bit that some of the thoughts and the forms of the words and the things may not come sailing out is a sharp 92 year old. I want you to just marinate on this because I don't think it's fair to put you on the spot. But who do you think has had a more exciting life? Sid Croft, Kim Kahana or Jim Carolla? Well, that's you. Think about it. Flip the coin. I mean, the next room awaiting the results, we all win either way. Yeah, it's crazy. And it's also I don't think that people like our children will be capable of having these kind of lives because that the way the world is is so go. I wanted to I had an idea to open a stunt school in Chatsworth, and four years later, I got a permit. Hmm. But they still had to do a soils report and then there's an environmental impact report. So everything's just been slowed down and their their outlets were too high up on the wall. Yes, everything just takes so long that you can only squeeze in so much into a life like if you're if you just go. I built a big custom castle in Malibu. Well, you could do that in three years, or you could be doing it in 26 years now because of generation of coastal commission, you know, and so everything has been so f**king regulated that you couldn't just walk on two sets and you couldn't just do things. I asked for a job. I also think I'm assuming that the the friendly hobo is a bygone era. Yeah, there were train hopping hobo. There are hundreds that right. There are so many elements of the story that were anachronistic, like, Oh, this would never could show up in New York for I think I have an uncle out there. But he did give me a lot of hope when I'm like, Oh, I could never do that. Oh, it was easy. All I had to do was somehow cross the country with no money. Learn the guitar. I doubt this guy that my dad knew and track him down. All I have to do is go find the two families that teach that do stunts in our street. It's crazy that has stunt scores off of Owen's mouth, and I used to look at it when I was 25. I was. My school is a Dominic Monahan is going to join this, another great raconteur, and we'll bring him in right after this. Saddle up and get ready for Westerns weeks on Pluto TV, all for free. We're coming in blazing with favourites like True Grit and Once Upon a Time in Mexico, or immerse yourself in binge worthy series like Yellowstone and Walker Texas Ranger. Plus, Pluto TV has hundreds of channels with thousands more movies, TV shows and more. The best part? It's free. No credit card, no Santa, no fees. Download the Pluto TV app on all your favorite devices and start streaming now.