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When I walked outside, he had left like a shrine on my front door. There were flowers, there was wine, there were notes, there were stuffed animals, there were little lawn ornaments. There were tarot cards. There were beads and jewelry. And the note was very cryptically written. He basically said, I went to your dad first. I thought that was the proper way to do this. I wanted to ask his permission to marry you. It took me a lot of digging to finally find you, but here I am. And you're not home right now, I guess so I'll be back later. And in that moment, I've never experienced anything like that in my life. My body turned to Jell-O. I'm Jamie Beebe and I'm Jake Deptula. On today's episode of Strictly Stalking, we're speaking with Lucy Walsh, who's being stalked by a stranger who hitchhiked from Minnesota to Los Angeles and showed up at her father's doorstep looking for her. When he couldn't get to work through her father, he found her address and showed up at her house trying to break his way in. But the door was locked. He assembled a shrine to Lucy in her front yard and left a note saying he'd be back later. Lucy alerted her family's personal security and they immediately sent her to a hotel and she was placed under 24-7 surveillance. The man repeatedly showed up at her home and waited for people to exit so he could sneak through the security gate. He drew her name on cardboard signs and held them up so she could see them. He threw things under her balcony and created more shrines on her property. Lucy hired a private investigator when the police department told her they couldn't do anything unless he physically hurt her, even though he was constantly sitting outside her home when he was eventually arrested. The LAPD found weapons in his backpack, and Lucy discovered that members of her stockers family had already filed restraining orders against him. Lucy, thank you for joining us today. Thank you for having me. Why don't you tell us a little bit about growing up in your family? I come from a lot of musicians. So we've always been very wary of privacy. My mom kept me really far away from showbiz. I grew up in the Malibu mountains. And even though my dad was in showbusiness and other members of my family, my mom just really kept me away from it. I didn't. I went to a Waldorf school. It's basically like naturalistic homoeopathic. I was born at home with a midwife and no drugs. My mom's a bad a*s and at school I didn't play with any plastic toys. It was just wood and cloth. It's Montessori for really young kids. Created by Rudolf Steiner, who is a psychologist. Incredible, fascinating guy. But anyway, he created this educational system. And so yeah, no, no plastic, no sugar, no TV. I got to watch one movie a week, and it was usually the same movies over and over, which was like Gone with the Wind and how the West was won and Mary Poppins. I think those were my three. But since you were born into a showbiz family, how challenging was it for your mom to basically keep you sheltered from? Actually, it was very challenging for her at times because because kids would bring stuff to school, like dramatic stories about my family and the press and kids would be telling me things and I'd go home and say, Mom, what is this about? And she would just, you know, it's like asking your parents about sex. They're just kind of don't know how to go about it with you. But so I had a very lovely calm childhood, and then my dad got sober when I was a little older and I started to realize who the father was, which was a trip that was around 12 years old. And my dad is Joe Walsh of the Eagles. And so that was life changing. That was really wild and a bit confusing, but that's when him and I started to have a relationship because he hadn't. He'd been off being a rock star before that. So and it was great. I mean, I remember this is not what this today is about, but my mom had always said, the minute that you are clean and ready to my dad, I will completely support you and your daughter having a relationship. And she really did. I remember the day that we got the call that he was going into a rehab facility, and I was taken right there to his bedside and I, I was there with him through the whole process and lived with him for a while. And that was really wonderful years for us. We really got to know each other for the first time. Up to this point, did you know who your father was? I didn't know quite what he did. I didn't know the scope of it, but I knew certain things like. He drove the red Mustang from the James Bond, diamonds are forever like that was our car. And I remember driving around with him and thinking, I don't have to put my seatbelt on because my dad's famous, and that means that nothing bad can happen to us. So we're if we're not going to get in a crash or anything, because that doesn't happen to famous people like a kid trying to piece it all together. And I was probably like 10. It's really strange how a child makes sense of it in their brain. Or I would like he would just have like 500 dollar bills on the side of the bed, like people would have quarters and nickels and in their sock drawer. I just remember there being like a lot of money laying around all the time, and I thought, Oh, that's I like that. I like money. I like money a lot. But I had a dad because my mom got remarried and that became my dad. So my stepdad is I'm even closer with him than my real father. Can you tell us a little bit about your stepdad and your mom and their relationship issues kind of getting into your teens and what that was like? Yeah, he is my favorite person in the world, my stepdad, Jim. And it was always a really just beautiful. Lovely relationship at the center of my life, and then when I got into being a teen, I started to get really rebellious. I just definitely lost my mind a bit when I was a teen because I just didn't want to listen to my mom anymore. I was like, I know what's best for me now. I don't want to be controlled, and I just kind of made it really difficult for my parents for a while there. And the day I moved out, I got in like a physical fight with my stepdad. The guy I'm talking about because he was just trying to hold me there and I and he wouldn't let go. And I had I had overturned all the furniture in my room. I was like throwing a temper tantrum and he wouldn't let go me. And I said, Get off me, you are not my father. And I just will never forget. The look on his face was awful. But after that, life got better. Got close again with my parents. Growing up, were there weird fans, people that scared you? Anything like that happening? Yeah, there are some strange things. I always knew that I had to be on guard. Like, things would happen where I started touring with my dad. And one day we were in New York City and he just took me into a camera store and he wanted security to wait in the car because he wanted to just have these normal experiences with his daughter. And the people in the camera store knew who he was and got up on the counters and started. Kind of surrounding us and separating us. And one went and locked the front door and one was taking me in the towards the back of the building and and secure our security guards had to just break the door down basically, and people were getting punched in the stomach. And I mean, to get us out of there, I remember that being a scary experience. But then my dad married a woman whose sister is married to Ringo Starr, if that makes sense. Ringo and his wife are my aunt and uncle. And when that came into the family, the fans changed because Beatles fans are on a whole nother level. And that's when people started finding out where I was, where I was frequenting. They would show up at my shows and and my events. And I wasn't really used to that. In addition to my own fans, because I'm an actress and a singer, but Beatles fans, I have to say I've never experienced anything like that, so I've always just had a real button on privacy. I really have like, I really don't. If if, if I'm going to post a picture of somebody on my Instagram, I'll ask their permission first. If I'm going to show up somewhere, I won't post about it until the next day. I actually got in a fight with a girlfriend of mine because she was doing that thing where you can check people in on Facebook. And I f**kin lost my temper. So don't you ever do that to me again? That is so f**king dangerous for all of us. It doesn't matter who you are. The internet has opened us up to very strange people. Anybody can find you now, and I think we forget that sometimes. And that's what social media has done. It's made us much more accessible. And so you have to be much more careful. Not only that, but sometimes you forget that you're a public figure. When you started to emerge as an artist in your own right, what was that experience like for you? Really fun. I never had any question about what I wanted to do. It was, I saw gone with the wind when I was five years old and I took one look at Vivien Leigh and I said, That's me, that's what I'm going to do. And I did, and I think it's a blast. I think it's a blast. I love it. I love connecting with people and doing things that are going to reach many, many people. And that goes back to when I was around that age five six seven eight. I would sit every day pretty much with this silver boom box that I had, and I would tell stories and I would record myself, and it was so magical to me that I could yank my brother and sister in and make them sit down, and I would tell them a story and that was reaching to people. But to me, it was so incredible that I could press, record and reach millions of people. That's always been such an incredible concept to me, and so it's no wonder have gone on to do this because to me, that's what it's all about. To me, that's how we hold each other up as humans is by telling stories and making it reach as many people as possible. Growing up in this family, did you hear about other people in your family having stalkers? Was it something that was talked about? No, no. It was just always be very careful. But there was never any instance. I'm sure there have been. But do you think it was kept from you? Possibly. Yeah, for sure. Strictly stalking is brought to you by progressive insurance. 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Take us to when you first discovered that you had a stalker, how did everything transpire with that? I got a call from my dad's bodyguard and he said, There's a man here at the house, my dad's house who says that he knows you. And he's describing him, and I can hear the guy in the background going, well, we don't know each other, but I follow her on Twitter. So it feels like we know each other and we have this like spiritual connection. And I can hear him saying that kind of thing. And I said, I don't know that man call the police. And they I stayed on the phone with them and they called back and said, OK, he went and they gave me some more information about him. He was a very well dressed white guy, very clean while dressed. He was on foot. My dad lives in the middle of nowhere. This guy was on foot. He said he had hitchhiked from Minnesota with a calling from God to get to me and marry me. He had brought gifts he brought. He had a backpack and he had brought this like carving kind of statue thing of the Last Supper for me. And when the bodyguard moved towards him, he moved in a way that let the bodyguard know that he was trained military style. We came to find out he had been let go from the army for alcohol. So this is kind of what I knew at that point that day that it happened. And I said to them that day on the phone, he's going to find me. And they said, Oh, no, he's not that, you know, now come on. And I said, Oh, yes, he is. Did they have any idea how he found your father's house? He just said he. He just said that he had looked it up. He said, You can. He said, you can find anything if you're really looking for it, which is true and terrifying. And what year was this? This was 2019 October. And how old did they think he was? He was probably in his early 30s. And how did he say that he knew about you? Twitter Because I because of my acting and singing just he was a fan. When was the next time you heard from him a week later? I was at home, alone in the middle of the day, and the knock came that I had been waiting for. I lived in a secured building. It didn't have a front door man, but it had locked doors, gated coded thing and the knock I was right by the door to, which was trippy. And I just it was like out of a movie. I just I heard the knock and it was one of those where it's like very playful, like, I like that. And I just turned my head slowly and the doorknob was jiggling. I had the shower running. I was on my way to a target commercial audition. So crazy and I knew it was him. We can't really explain why we do things in moments of shock. We do really stupid things when we go into shock, don't we? I didn't call the cops. I backed away from the door. I locked my bedroom door. I locked my bathroom door and I took a shower and I got ready for my audition. And that took about a half hour. Still hadn't called. The cops can't. Can't explain. It was in shock. I went to the door. I looked out of the people. He wasn't there. That's that's how committed I was to my acting at the time. I wasn't gonna let anything get in the way of that audition, which is insane to me now. But that was my thinking. I have a job to do. I got to go, and when I walked outside, he had left like a shrine on my front door. There were flowers, there was wine, there were notes, there were stuffed animals, there were little lawn ornaments, there were tarot cards, there were beads and jewelry, and the note was very cryptically written. It was the same form that he had used when he started to write me on Twitter, which when we went back and looked, he'd been writing me for about a year before he located me. And it was every other letter would be uppercase and lowercase. So it looked really crazy. And then he would use symbols and numbers as well. So you really had to pick apart what he was saying, and this little letter that he had left was the same thing. And he basically said, I went to your dad first. I thought that was the proper way to do this. I wanted to ask his permission to marry you. It took me a lot of digging to finally find you, but here I am. And you're not home right now, I guess so I'll be back later. And in that moment? I have never experienced anything like that in my life. My body turned to Jell-O. I couldn't control my limbs. It was just like I was melting into the floor and I and I just knew I had to make a beeline for my car. I didn't know where he was. I assumed he was watching me. I ran. I had to take the elevator down to the garage, which was terrifying. Now I'm in this locked parking garage by myself. I flew through the car passenger side. I didn't even run around to the driver's side. And then my next assumption was that he had put a tracking device on the car. So I drove straight to a police station and I went inside the police station, but I didn't speak to anyone. It was almost like I just wanted to throw him off by going straight to a police station. But remember, my insane actor mind was like, I got to get to my audition. I got. It's so insane, which I did. And on the way to the audition, I called my body, my dad's bodyguard, and I told him what had happened, and he said, OK, you go to that audition and then you meet me at my place and you get in my car and we'll figure out what to do from there. So I did. So I never went home again for, like the next month. I went straight to him and I was taken to a hotel. And our bodyguard did not leave my side the entire month. It was amazing. Tell us about having to go to the hotel, how you felt, what life was like while you were living in a hotel. Scared for your life? Yeah, it was a really hard time. It was a really challenging thing. I was very busy at the time I was starring in a play. So I was in daily rehearsals for this play that was opening in a couple of weeks. I had just started a new like, stupid side job working for interior designer friend of mine at his showroom in Beverly Hills. I couldn't drive myself anywhere. I couldn't go back and get my things. I had two cats at home which were left alone, with people coming and going to take care of them. It was a mess and I was terrified. This was a near-death experience in my life as it unfolded over the next couple of months. Many more things happened, but it was terrifying because I couldn't get the jiggling door handle out of my mind. That, to me, is like the most PTSD triggering thing. Out of all of it is that damn doorknob. I just didn't trust anything. I didn't. I didn't know where he was. I didn't know where he was. I assumed, because that's what PTSD does. You assume the worst? Because the worst happened. And there's nothing anyone can do to tell you that the worst won't happen because it did. So go f**k yourself, right? That is the tragedy of PTSD. Even if you're in a room that's full of people and all the doors are locked, you assume he's behind you. So that was the craziest part for me, but it was very intense, not driving myself, not having a moment alone, really, because I was with people all day long at these play rehearsals and being driven. And then I'd go back to my room at night and I'd be right next door to my bodyguard. But I didn't want to be alone because he could be under the bed. What was going on behind the scenes at this time? Were they actively looking for him? What did they know about him? What kind of information where they got? Yeah. So right away, we alerted the police, obviously, and we hired a private investigator and they began to find out more about him. So he returned to my home every day and it took them a month to arrest him. He returned to my home. We had all the landlord was notified, everything, their security footage of him standing outside the door with his back away from it, and he'd wait until somebody went out and then he would just sneak in the door. That was also really disturbing to see that he had on latex gloves the whole time a hood, and he would leave more things. He would sit outside all day and night to 3:00 4:00 in the morning. He wouldn't leave. He would throw things up on my patio. He would make, like you said in your intro, he made a huge sign with my name and he would just sit across the street and hold it. And it was really frustrating to see that he was right there and he was right there. You could reach out and snatch him, but the cops wouldn't do it. They literally said to me, unless we catch him with his hands around your throat, we can't do anything to him. And I just thought, Wow, that's what you do. You wait until it's too late until people get killed. And then we, you know, we should have prevented it. But you won't lift a finger. I learned a lot about the LAPD through that. If it weren't for my private investigator, we would have never caught him. And it's it's. Really crazy, because I know many women and men, I'm sure, but I know some women who have been denied restraining orders when they needed them really bad even worse than I did, maybe. And they just don't get them. What was it like dealing with the police for that month before they caught him? It was definitely a study in human psychology because to my face, the police would say, Oh, we're doing everything. We can just be brave. You got this. We're here to help. We're doing everything we can. And then my private investigators, who are also very hooked up with the police, they know each other. They all know each other. It's very political behind those lines. He would be telling me, God f**king damn these guys. They're not lifting a finger. You know, so-and-so did this and so-and-so should have done this. And I remember my private investigator having to harass the police with like. Blackmail, almost like if you don't can do this, I'm going to call so-and-so and get you. There's like inner s**t that goes on where like, it's crazy, I don't want to. I don't know how much I can say in on that, but I learned a lot. What did the cops end up doing to help you after the private investigator pushed them? Well, I guess they're the ones that technically arrested him. That's about all, quite honestly. Were you able to get a restraining order? Yes. My P.I. basically waited at my house for weeks, and he said, it's really wild to be standing in your apartment, looking at him from across the street, and I'm armed and I could just take that gun out and end it right here. And I know people that could cover that up. Yup, I know how serious this was. Yes. He's also he was also in the same process with several other celebrities at the same time. This is what he deals with all day long. So he's used to the cops not doing a thing. So your guy was sitting in your house watching, watching soccer? Yeah, trying to get the police. The cops were lagging on the process of getting the restraining order, saying that the guy hadn't really done anything wrong because then he started disappearing within that month that he kept showing up. Then he started disappearing. And that was very stressful for me because he obviously knew how to find me. People can find anything they want. I had been publicizing this play. He knew where the theater was. So everybody in my theater group had to be alerted to not post anything about me at all. I had to be like removed from promo about it. I had shows coming up. I was about to play a sold out show at the Troubadour a couple of months after that. So I was a sitting duck and a lot of ways. And the day of the arrest happened because the private because they had finally gotten the the restraining order, but then he disappeared. So now we couldn't find him to serve him. And it came to a climax because the opening day of my play arrived and he was at large. And the most stressful part for me was that the P.I. came up with a plan that I was going to reach out to him and invite him to my play. And that's where we were going to serve him. And that was really terrifying to me, not only because I had to make direct contact with this person, but also because of everybody else. I didn't know if he was armed. I didn't know if you would show up and someone would get hurt in a crossfire. I didn't know. And that seemed to me so scary to do that. I get the logic behind it because they were getting desperate because he had disappeared. But literally the morning of the play, he showed up at my house again and he's sitting there on the bus stop and my P.I. called the cops and said, Get the f**k over here, he's here. And they showed up and they were able to arrest him. But still, that was insane in itself because the cops stood there and spoke with him and allowed him to defend his actions and gave him the benefit of the doubt for I think it took an hour and a half to finally arrest him. And I don't know why that is. I don't pretend to know why it would be that way, but it was. What was that moment like when you found out that he had been arrested and the circumstances behind it? I'm being that day. Yeah, I cried from relief because everybody was going to be safe. I was so relieved. I mean, that could have been really bad, imagine that I mean, that's like insane. He shows up, somebody gets shot like, what the f**k are we doing here? It's like out of a movie, but it didn't have to go down that way. So at that point, he was taken to jail and he stayed there for three months. What the really high risk, really high bail during those three months. What else did you learn about him about the arrest? Who he was? We learned that he had multiple restraining orders against him by family members in Minnesota, that he really had nowhere to go. He was homeless at this point. He couldn't return back there. And this was like three or four restraining orders from men and women in his family learned that he'd been in the army, that he'd been discharged for alcohol. And that's really all I can recall about him personally. What were you learning behind the scenes on the legal side of it, why he was in waiting in jail for three months? When was he getting out? What was happening legally at that time? I'm not sure. That's a good question. I don't know why it was the three months, but the judge had taken a look at the case and doubled the bail. I got very lucky. I got really lucky. Like I said, I know I know women who have been denied everything. And I don't know if it's because I'm high profile and there's a VIP treatment within the system. That's all I can think it would be. Unfortunately, I'm very grateful that I got as good of a deal as I did, but my heart really, really goes out to all the women and men like I said that that haven't been so fortunate and haven't been so well taken care of. There's no reason for it within that three months, I knew I had to move and that was devastating for me. I did not want to move. I loved my home and my neighborhood and my life the way it was. And I had a really hard time accepting that, so I dragged my feet. I didn't start looking for a place in time. So by the time he got out of jail, I hadn't quite moved yet, which was really unfortunate. I I never wanted him to be able to go back to that place and think that I was still there. So when he got out of jail, that forced me to stay with a friend for until I moved. Which was hard again, so at this point, this is now in December, January, so I had been without, you know, I had been going through this for four solid months where I didn't have a home base. I couldn't be with my cats. I know that sounds silly, but you know, they're my f**king cats. They're my, they're my babies. And there was one night where I said to my bodyguard, I said, Look, I can't. He said, We got to go, get your f**king cat. You're like, so lonely every night. You're like crying and you're out. Oh, so we went back with this undercover operation. This was before he'd been caught and we knew we we put the cat in a suitcase and smuggled it into the hotel. Hi, this is Gillian, those of us here at Court Junkie. Have a new podcast called Civil, where we dive into fascinating civil cases like in the case of a principal who took it upon himself to hypnotize students as a hobby. Then many of those students ended up dead, or when a man was publicly and wrongfully accused of being the I-10 freeway shooter. We'll also be covering popular civil cases you've likely heard of, like O.J. Simpson and Alex Jones vs. The Parents of Sandy Hook. Everything we see all of O.J. in the car. Sandy Hook. It's got inside job and all of. Hosted by me, Jillian Jalali, researched by Nikolas Moratti and written by Matt Stroud and Nick Keppler. If you'd like following criminal trials like I do, I think you will love civil. Subscribe to us now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. How did it make you feel by this point that you had to uproot your life? You basically were under 24 surveillance? Scared for your life? Yeah. How did. That make you feel really angry. I was really, really angry. What were the circumstances on his release from jail after the three month, a five year restraining order? I don't know what the footage is that he can come near me, I forget. And that includes social media. No, no communication of any kind. And was there a trial? How? Why did they release them? There was a trial. I thought I was going to have to see him face to face, but I didn't end up having to. I don't know why that was. But I'm grateful for it, and I did have to go to court and speak in front of the judge. Since he's been released from prison, have you seen or heard from him? I've heard from him via social media. He bounced around and ended up in Mexico, where he started to reach out to me again. I alerted the police and they have been on the lookout for him. I believe if he were to come back over the border, he's flagged, but who knows his ways of getting in and out? Who knows? So he probably has multiple identities. When he reached out to you after the restraining order, what did he say? It was just random s**t again. Like that uppercase, lowercase crazy talk is just crazy talk. I mean, along with reaching out to me, it was mixed in with other messages like he was going to blow up the White House. He was going to kill himself. He had to come to L.A. to handle something, and he was probably going to die in the process. But it was going to be worth it because it was Jesus's message. I assumed at the time that coming to L.A. to handle something that he was probably going to die in the process of meant me and that he was willing to commit suicide in some kind of situation. So he has broken his restraining order through online communication. And looking back through all of his communications, when did he actually first start communicating with you? So it would have been like middle of 2017. And it wasn't something that you really noticed. No, no, no. I mean, I get like, I have, you know, whatever how many followers and I don't pay attention. But when we went back, it was clearly there and it had been there for a while. In those original messages, were there any threats? Was he telling you he was going to find you anything like that? Yeah, he would say things like, See you soon. I can't remember anything else. It's funny what you wipe from your brain. How has your family dealt with all of this with you? What's your support system like? My support system is wonderful. My family takes it really seriously. Everybody is always on the lookout, not just for things like this, but there are stories of actors through the last couple of decades that have been killed by people posing as their agent or a director and getting a hold of the mother and going, I need to get a script to so-and-so. What's his address? You know, this is his agent or whatever, and they find you that way. So they've I'm always, but I always I constantly remind everyone in my life to be careful. And I work with children as well. I I started my own performing arts center, the Lucy Walsh performing arts studio. So I coach many, many people in-person on Zoom all over the world. And I work with young people, people of all ages. But I'm very, very direct and clear with my clientele as well because I take everybody's safety very seriously and people are very, very determined and very strange. How has this impacted the way that you engage with followers, fans, anyone who basically comes into your orbit? It's really affected me with the way that I interact with strangers. I don't trust anyone. I assume the worst and online. I like social media. I think it's really useful. And I've connected with people all over the world that you form these friendships. You know, you have your Instagram friends. You have like your community and you feel like, you know, these people. But anybody new coming in, I'm very aware of and I and I really notice details. I notice a new person who's repeatedly making contact. I will block you instant instantly before you can even hit send on that message. Have you had any other instances like this with other stalkers or anything of that sort? Being in the public eye? No, I haven't had anything at this. Level, you know, I don't want to say this about people because they're sweet, but you have like the super fans, you know, like to come to every show and sit in the front row and buy the merch and and and you ask them how their sister is and how their mother is doing after she had that surgery last year. Like people get to know you and that that can be really lovely. At the same time, if you're going to do that to an artist, if you're going to get on their bandwagon and follow them in that way, you've got to know that it's a bit of a strange thing. So there's going to be some boundaries there. I love my fans that are so supportive and diehard for showing up, but you have to take into account what someone goes through when they're a public figure and you have to respect that. And as long as that's respected, we can have a good time. It has affected the way that I post. I am not one of those people that's like, Hey, guys, this is my house and this is, you know, here I am in my bathroom. Like, No, I don't let people see the windows of where I am because I know where people are from windows that I've seen in the background of their videos or a tree that I'm like, I drive by that tree. I know where you are. Like, I was so hyper conscious now, which is good for me because I used to just be very naive. And now I'm not. So I'm grateful for that lesson. Do you know where your soccer is right now? No, I am not going to live in fear. I'm not going to live under a rock and I'm not going to shrink back and dim my light. I say, f**k you, I want to shine a flashlight on these things that make us fearful. Terrorist attacks are in the same category. The point is to paralyze you with fear so that you can't even go to the movies. f**k off, I'm going to the movies. You're not going to rob me of my life. And that's how I feel in this instance. Do you think that you'll ever be completely rid of him, or do you think he'll come back into your life? I assume he will be back. I don't think you can cure somebody of that. Like they say, you can't cure a child molester of that compulsion. I or like Jeffrey Dahmer said, you know when when asked. Yeah, I would kill again. I'd be doing this if I weren't in jail. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think that you're cured of something like stalking, obviously, because he's just transferring on to other people as he goes. I would think, and I hope he knows this if he's listening, that he should be too afraid to come back to me again because it's not going to turn out well for him. So, yeah, I always I do think that it's never over. Looking back, how do you feel about how you're treated by the police? Do you think that they could have done things differently and it would have turned out differently? Or do you still have any contact with the police officers that did arrest him? No, I don't have any contact. It's strange. It's it's I don't I don't feel angry with them or anything. I what it was is that I got to witness an inner working of something that has been in place for a long time, and that's not going to change. There's a lot I don't understand about it, but what I did peek in and witness. Was shocking. Very nice people, lovely officers that I met, they were very lovely to me in the room. They offered all their support and whatever. So I don't have anything bad to say about anybody personally, but they should be ashamed of themselves. They really should. The things that people have to go through to protect their own safety and the people who are supposed to protect you. Are just going through the motions is pretty unforgivable. And I think that wearing that badge should mean more to you than that, but again, they're part of a bigger machine who like they might come into the force with the best intentions wanting to do that. You mentioned earlier how grateful you are to have had the access to top level resources in your case. What advice would you have for someone who may not have access to those resources and they're dealing with a stalker god? That's so tricky. I mean, I think the thing that combats this form of abuse is just awareness. So I would say just shout it as loud as you can from the mountaintops, tell everyone. Because there's power in numbers, and that's also why I speak out, because that makes me feel safe. Awareness and power in numbers is what keeps people safe. And so I would say if you don't have access to a private investigator and the cops aren't taking you seriously, get to a safe place wherever that is. Whether it's with family, friends, a center, I don't know. Find a center that will protect. I don't know if it's like, I don't know, go somewhere where you can get to some kind of safe place and start to speak up and someone will help you do something. What do you hope the impact is of sharing your story with us? For anyone who's listening, I hope that the impact for anyone listening is that you. Don't live in fear, and you don't let these bullies get away with their s**t. Handle it. Stand up for yourself. That's easier said than done because these people have mental issues, so you're dealing with something that you are not. You do not understand how to handle this ultimately, so you cannot do it on your own. But I hope that I can lead as an example of being brave in the face of something like this. I stand for living in the light and shining a flashlight on the c**kroaches and making them scurry away back into the darkness. I stand for standing together and speaking up. And not letting that win. And that's that's that's what I hope I pass on. I've been through it. I know what it's like. It's different for everyone. Like you said, it's a case by case thing. You can't tell someone what it feels like or what to expect. I was hearing somebody say this about grief yesterday. Everybody has all their advice to offer when you're in grief. Oh, I've been there, I've been through that. No, you haven't because you haven't been through what I'm going through. So I'm not telling people that I know what you're feeling. I'm just saying spin. Just just just f**k them. Just be brave. Be brave and careful. Lucy, what's next for you? I'm in the middle of of a lot of transition. I have my own podcast, The Lucy and Annabel Show, and we're coming back with our Season three premiere right now. We'll talk about this another time. But when the stalker happened to me, I was in the process of leaving a high control group that I'd been a part of for 10 years under a narcissistic abuser in the form of an acting coach. And recently, I was a part of a Hollywood Reporter article that was shining a light on that abuse, and I contributed on the record for the abuse that's gone on for 30 years with this acting coach, Gloria Gifford. So I am speaking out about that as well. That's what's next for me. I'm doing some advocacy stuff there because I believe these things need to be talked about. Like I said, and that's how you hold each other up is by letting people know that they're not alone. None of us are alone. So aside from that, I'm just really busy as an actor and a musician. I'm performing all kinds of shows, and I've written a few television shows and feature films that I'm starting my production company to to follow through with. I've been in tons of pitch meetings. I'm auditioning constantly and I have a few jobs coming up of two films in the next couple of months and a television show that I should be hearing about any second or recurring role on a show. So I'll be so busy. I didn't plan on that. I wanted to kind of chill out and relax for the rest of the year, but it looks like it's not going to be for a while that I'll get a vacation. That's a good position to be in. Yeah, I am grateful. Lucy, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much, Jamie and Jake. I really appreciate you having me. Yeah, thank you. If anyone out there is in need of help or is a victim of stalking, please reach out. You can find a list of resources on our Instagram at Strictly Stalking Pod if you'd like to share your story with us on Strictly Star. You can reach us at Strictly Stalking Pod at gmail.com. That's strictly stalking pod at gmail.com. As a listener of Strictly Stalking, please leave a review and write us five stars on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music or wherever you listen. I'm Jake Deptula and I'm Jamie Baby. Thank you for joining us and today's episode of Strictly Stalking.
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