Mike O'Hearn

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Give us a shout out, and today we're talking about someone we've actually talked about before. But let's be honest, this guy deserves another episode, if not a whole series. Honestly, I would absolutely do it. It's my personal hero. Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, everybody. Well, we are going to get into Aaron Rodgers again because we didn't do him justice the first go around. Well, yeah, I feel like, well, there's been a lot that's evolved, a lot that's happened for him, and I do think it's one of those things where he really at first, I think when we first talked about it, which were mainly talking about the fact that he loves ayahuasca, to me, one of the core tenets of your mental health is that self love. And that's what ayahuasca did for me. And I'd heard about ayahuasca. And you know, I think there's so many myths and rumors about it. The fear around it is, you're going to treat yourself. It's just a big throw up fest. The negative framework of it is that that is the experience, not the deep and meaningful and crazy mind expanding possibilities, which we'll get into in a little bit. And at first, it seemed like it was helping his career because he won two back-to-back MVP's. Now, it seems like it might not be helping his career. And so we're trying to figure out, do our little detective work here? Should he keep doing it? Should he not? Maybe he should just go to hard cocaine. You know, it's I don't know. It seems like ayahuasca this year made him to OK with the fact that he might suck. Yeah. So five letters here. Just for everybody out there in Packer Land and yourself today. R e l a x. Relax, we're going to be OK. That's the kind of the problem. Being with spiritual is like, you come super enlightened. You're like, Well, nothing actually matters anymore. I can just suck at football and everyone. Wisconsin's like, No, no, you can't. Yeah, actually, we need you to go back to being the a*****e Aaron Rodgers. There's heroes and villains in sports and entertainment. And I think because of my stance on COVID and maybe some other things, I've been cast as the villain, especially the last few years. This world culture wants to be offended by everything. You just go online and find something they don't agree with. I am offended. How could you possibly say that? I don't really care that we know and love. Yeah, so and that would win. Yeah. The one that doesn't believe in the COVID vaccine, the one because he wants to have kids, you know, of course, the COVAX thing we know makes it so you can have kids, Brennan. You can have kids. I have 48 doses just roiling through me right now. No, I don't have. My mom found that out. She would come here and try and save me. But I do think that Aaron Rodgers, yeah, he had a very interesting year. I also want to get to the bottom of the fact of why is this guy on The Pat McAfee Show every five minutes? Dude, I think he has a deal. He must have an advice. He is a commentator. You're playing football. Why are you on a podcast? Talking loves it, man. OK, OK. Like, I mean, if you were, we had a regular on our podcast. We love it. Yeah, our regular on our podcast is going to be Pat McAfee, but we're excited because we we've got a lot going on today. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers, the one the only, yeah, ayahuasca enthusiast know and love and love to hate and all those in between. We're also going to talk about, Hey, what's going to happen? Where is he going to go? Is he done? What's his team? Is he going to go to the raiders? What will Derek Carr do? Is Derek Carr still good here? I don't think so. I mean, he did throw like a perfect what do you call it? He was the quarterback drills. It was like a quarterback drill. Oh yeah, he got like thirty five point skills contest skills contest. That's what it is. I also want to know, do you think that Davante Adams every night goes to bed manifesting Aaron Rodgers back in his life? Is that is Aaron Rodgers Davante Adams specific person? Let's check with the community. Absolutely. Let's talk about things that our audience doesn't know about sports. Let's do it. All right. Well, we're going to get into our honorary hammered here of the week. Our honoree hero of the week, just you guys know, and also for our new listeners, is someone who exemplifies heroic ness. It could be the every man or woman could be you. It could be you. And today's probably not you. If you think it's you, it's not you. But true heroes usually don't call themselves heroes, but this one is is an absolute hero, isn't it? It's truly like when you go, Yeah, that's a hero. That's I hear that this is one of my favorite stories that I've heard in a long time, Sophie. And this is 100 percent real. It was a 22 year old Virginia basketball coach has been fired. This came out about two weeks ago after being accused to pass herself off as one of her 13 year old players during a game. What is better than this story? Nothing. Nothing. 20 to 30, she passed herself off with people who are pre braces. How awesome is that this morning scandal on the court in Virginia and this junior varsity girls basketball game with a coach posing as a player? The biggest thing that we heard that we felt disappointment. The player in the black jersey wearing number one with the slick move, scoring baskets and the high fiving other players was no player at all. She's our Lisa Boykins, a member of the Churchlands Truckers coaching staff, according to North Fork Wave TV 10, when one of the members of the Churchlands junior varsity basketball team in Portsmouth was out of town earlier this month. Our Alisha Boykin stepped in and impersonated the absent player in their game against Naismith River. OK, hold on. We got to pause for a sec that is so good. It's great. I mean, I do love the idea. It feels very 21 Jump Street. Oh, you know Channing Tatum trying to get in there in pass? Off as a as a f**king high schooler, like, I don't know what must go through your head if, yeah, and how desperate do you need this win? I understand middle school can be life or death and I understand I mean, I was on a middle school basketball team and even though a second string, we were the favorites to win the county tournament in Marshall County tournament. It was probably one of the best thing that happened to me for like five years. So I understand the groundwork. We're trying to play for these guys. Yeah, but then at what point do you go as a coach? OK, I know this means a lot. So I volunteered tribute and I'm going to I'm just going to hop in the game, my f**king lace up. And if you go back in, what if you were bad, you know, then what happens now you're in a whole new realm? But it would be amazing. Like, imagine watching the Golden State Warriors. You see Steph Pass passing back and forth to Klay all of a sudden corner pass Steve Kerr, and he's just on the court, just general and shots. And and then if they act like Steve Kerr's not on the court. Steve Kerr, not almost 60, and it's just fine. I love this story so much. This coach got fired, which come on fired for just being creative. Get the f**k out of here. It's awesome. It's middle school. Also, it's awesome. Middle school. The fact that she was like, No, this middle school team, we need this so badly. I also love that all the coaches were also in on this too. Clearly, not just her, like they have a full staff. Yeah, I was telling you there had to be a moment before she comes in when like everyone's looking to the bench and they're like, Do it, Boykins. And she's like, Don't worry, and she rips off her shirt. She's got the jersey and they're like, Operation Boykins. The play is on. And yeah, so one of the things that sports Bible said that they go as if this wasn't bad enough. Instead of playing it cool and going under the radar, she decided to put on an all star performance in the footage shared by local news outlet Wave News. We mentioned them. She can be seen absolutely balling, getting her blocks in, driving the lane for a layup and nailing free throws. Of course she's balling. She's going up against kids that haven't hit puberty. 13 No one can have braces yet. She's twenty two. She's not. Of course, she is f**king balling. Of course she's balling. I do love it, though. It just kicks in. You're like, I got to go Sicko Mode. There is a part of you that I feel like if you're doing that, you don't think you're going to get away with it. So you might as well put on a f**king performance. You know what I mean? Don't go on these hoes. I hope she f**king dunked. I think she dunked. Yeah, the legend moved to just to say, Yeah, I'm going to go in. I'm going to pa*s. As a 13 year old, I fully accept the consequences may come. But this is this is for the good of the team. I'm also pitching her in a future job interview. They're like, So you've ever been fired from a job? Yeah, for what? I'm presenting 13 year old. Anyways, I'm excited for this opportunity. That's actually what's even better for me because I thought originally she just like they were down a player and for whatever reason, and then she just went in as a player that they made up. But no, she and she impersonate impersonated one of her kids. Did they contact the family? Did they say, did they get permission to say, by the way, I'm going to go as your daughter? Oh, no, actually, that's a great point. The father has said publicly. Coaches always preach to the kids about integrity and those type of things. So I was just shocked. The father of the 13 year old, who has been impersonated by Boykin, said. I just need an apology. You played my daughter well, but that's never been better. So maybe she's going to maybe she's going to be able to get on versus maybe she should be your daughter. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, oh, that's incredible. That's great. She starts living with the family. She's just living with the family now, and I think you have a great Disney movie in the works. That's all I got to say. Listen, man, I was thinking the same thing. Call us. All right. Well, we got to get into our main hammered hero the day we are talking about somebody who we've already discussed in an earlier episode. But because he had such an offbeat, somewhat controversial season, it is worth a second look. Today's hammered hippie hero is none other than Green Bay Packers quarterback and series regular on the Pat McAfee Show. Ayahuasca enthusiasts the dying king himself, Aaron Rodgers. The king is back, he has got a haircut, so he looks like he's ready to take the throne, retake the throne. Yeah, he looks pretty hot right now. Yeah, he looks pretty good. So I just want to really quickly. I know that Aaron Rodgers catches a lot of flak right now. Yeah, a lot of Joe Flacco. But let's not get it twisted. OK. Despite being a con air wannabe, he is incredible. Let's let's talk about his stats really quickly and gets important. According to Wikipedia, we can always trust Wikipedia. Yes, Rodgers has led the NFL six times in touchdown to interception. So which is kind of the most important stat, I would say. Yeah. What do you think is the second one of them? How many times do I ask in a season? Okay, great. So he's six times and lowest pressing interception percentage. That actually might be. I think that's my favorite because you didn't because then you know, you can trust him because I hate it when I can't trust a quarterback and I think they're going to throw an interception. Looking at you, Skyler Thompson, you think I forgot about you? Because if games past help, you finally bought a f**king clock? Yeah, I hope you're worn out six watches right now. Thompson, you're on blast. So then he also has fled the NFL four times in passer rating, four times in touchdown passing percentage, three times in total touchdowns, twice in touchdown passes and once in yards per attempt and completion percentage also leading the league. And holy s**t, that he just really throw that Hail Mary off his back foot 90 yards. They are going to bring pressure again. Rodgers is going to roll away, throws it up in the air, says a prayer. And Janice, does it stop and flames? That's insane. Oh, my God. One of the great throws ever made, I mean, three times this motherf**ker has thrown insane Hail Marys like this isn't going to happen every time, it's every time it does. Let's also not forget he also owns the Bears. Just things happen that are on. They're not planned. You know, I didn't plan on telling the crowd that I own them. I think based on the statistical reference of my career when I was down there and against them, definitely our teams have done some good things. I know what I used. I a few times, but I do feel like it's a wee thing, really. Since Barb took over, we've flip that entire series on its head. I think before we took over, we were double digits in the hole in the all time series, serious been going on for a hundred years plus and now we're seven up. So shout out to that, actually. He owns 80 percent of the Chicago Bears in addition to owning part of the Milwaukee Bucks, which he does own, he also owns the Bears. He is second on the NFL's all time regular season career passing rating list with a regular season career passer rating of over 100. Wow, the first to ever have a career rating over 100. Take that, Tom Brady. Yeah, well, also having had the highest passer rating, the best touchdown interception ratio and the lowest passing interception percentage in NFL history throughout the entire 2010s decade. Wow. So this is what I love about him. If you watch the tape, man, if you go into the film room and you watch the tape, me and Jon Gruden. And so if we were watching tape recently, you got to ask Jon Gruden was saying some racial slurs. We look past it and pretended I left the room, but that's a it. Let it be known. I left the room. But Aaron Rodgers is great because he can throw the left side, he can go the right side. He can throw in traffic breaking tackles while being tackled, tight windows falling away. He is the Hail Mary King, as Brendan has already said, and he puts it on the money every single time, like moving to the left, falling away. They are like darts. He threads that needle better than a grandma on a Sunday afternoon, and he does it by himself. Because what I think is important is that he doesn't have the system like Brady had, which, by the way, guys, this whole. This is already old news. At this point, Brady has announced his retirement, but what is the new news is by the time this airs, he will already be back in the NFL, already playing on the raiders and coaching them at the same time. So. And also on Fox. Yeah, it's a big thing. But will he offer to this great trade where he said, I'll charge you three of my children if I can play for the raiders in the NFL was like, Absolutely. Sounds good to me. Great trade and or Mahomes. And you know, I love Mahomes. But Mahomes has a great system with Andy Reid and so arguably one of the best offensive coaches. Yeah. So, so he has this like he's he's always like the Lone Ranger. He's like a cowboy. I will say, though, I mean, come on, we can't forget about how good Devonte was, so we need to do that up. We do need to talk about the Devonte factor. Yeah, and it did. Yeah. And then this year it showed that he really needed that. But I guess I'm just thinking systems itself. No, I hear you. And he's also had multiple coaches as opposed to the guys you just named, for sure. Exactly. And also my favorite was really impressive. This was during training camp, not this season, but last year he he threw a 50 yard dime into a two foot hoop at practice. He also, I think, has broken packers, receivers, fingers because he's thrown it so hard. That's true. That's true. Yeah, that's pretty dope. And this is a dude who just goes to Barnes and Noble a lot, apparently. He's like, all I do in Wisconsin is I go get groceries and I go to Barnes and Noble. No, he doesn't say yes. This guy reads books, apparently. OK. Yeah, he's a free spirit. OK. He calls himself a hippie. Whatever. Maybe he needs to read that in a little bit because packers need to win. And also Packers fans have a very short memory, and they do not give a s**t about your spiritual practices. We're trying to win. Let's not forget Packers fans. I don't know if you remember you were in London last year. Yeah, you were in London wearing cheese hats. So even though the Packers definitely had a down year this year and everyone started going after and Rodgers, they usually always do. He's always the first to blame. I remember when they were struggling a little bit and he was dating Olivia Munn. I went to Green Bay to interview Jordy Nelson at the time and everybody I talked to locally. All of our Uber drivers, everybody was blaming Olivia Munn. They're like, What is she doing to him? Everyone was so invested and so only mad at Olivia Munn. It was insane. But he did really start ushering a pretty awesome comeback. I feel like midseason where you're like, I think the Packers are going to make what he did Olivia Munn this season. No, he did this. This was about seven years ago. OK, because I was like, She's with John Mulaney, Olivia Munn. It was before Shailene Woodley. Wow, that was before he dated Mike Birbiglia. Great. Yeah. OK, cool. Well, we love that, and I'm glad that, you know, he's really seeing his sexual fluidity these days. But yeah, so there was a point this season. I don't know if you guys were were remembering it because, you know, at this point, a lot has happened in the playoffs. But the Packers were one win away from going to the playoffs. All they had to do was beat the f**king Lions man and do it, man, Goff source off. Often us Jamaal Williams is doing too much anime and they ended up not being able to go to the playoffs. So yeah, it's interesting. So he again, just to go back to the hammered heroes part. Yes. So Rodgers made headlines last year for doing ayahuasca before two of his MVP seasons. The Packers QB on a podcast this week admitted to using a psychedelic drug called ayahuasca while climbing Machu Picchu. You in Peru in 2020, calling it a life changing experience gave me a deep and meaningful appreciation for life. Rogers says using ayahuasca is the reason he won MVP on the field back to back two years in a row, so that means he went to Peru because that's where he does ayahuasca. He did ayahuasca. He tripped his balls off and then he won the MVP, and then he went back to Peru, tripped his balls off and then won the MVP again. Like absolute goat s**t. I don't care what anyone f**king says, like Tom Brady won't even have two eggs in a day. Yeah, he won't go past like an avocado toast. Is him going off? You know, so I don't trust Tom Brady, but I do trust a guy who does Ayawaso and goes, Yeah, I'm going to go on the field and to sling it. And then Aaron Rodgers did what only one can call the Ayahuasca Media Tour this last summer. Leading into this season, we're doing on every podcast and was talking about ayahuasca. I really feel like that set me on my course to be way more free at work as a leader, as a teammate, as a friend, as a lover, imparting a blessing of love and forgiveness for myself and gratitude for this life. I mean, here's the thing I was here for it, and I was like, I loved it. I would be c**ky to. I'd be like, Well, I mean, it's kind of the opposite of ayahuasca, but like me, like, yeah, I did ayahuasca, and I am God, I am God. But unfortunately, they didn't do good this year. They finished eight and nine didn't make the playoffs. And the Packers have previously reached the playoffs nine out of 15 seasons when he was their QB. So yeah, he was on that one podcast talking about doing it, and he said how he had like the Dragon Brew. It's like maybe men maybe have like the medium brew that's like, like the lizard brew. The Dragon Brew has to be the hardest roast. You know, when you go to a coffee shop, you got three options. Sure. Sure, sure. Let's go with the lizard or maybe the salamander brew. I think let's go. It sounds like Pokemon cards. I don't want to do ARD Shahzad's too much. Too much. Take it down. So, yeah, but recently he was on the McAfee Show and again, getting super spiritual. No, I don't think people realize how significant this is, right? No football players out there talking about their souls and their identity as a person. I mean, I watch the flag football game. Everyone was just like, you know, take a photo. I got like, Go to you. Tyreek Hill is just like surfing all over the field, literally. Rogers is on the McAfee Show recently said I had to ask myself, Who am I outside of the number 12 you see on the field? And also then he said he started referring to ayahuasca Sophie as a new term applied medicine. OK, which is really funny, and I think it's hilarious that it's just a really nice way of saying drugs, which is just if you call applied medicine, then it's not a drug. I have no problem with doing ayahuasca. I don't even know that it is a drug, but I just think it's hilarious that he started using the term applied medicine. So we have to get into what ayahuasca is. Again, just for a little recap, ayahuasca is a plant based psychedelic that is consumed like a tea in some South American countries. It's used as a healing medicine to treat physical, mental and spiritual issues. The active ingredient in ayahuasca, known as DMT, is illegal in the United States. I'm all for it. I think both of us are down with ayahuasca. It seems a little bit like burying the lead, though, calling it applied medicine. Especially said some people who do ayahuasca sometimes see the literal devil. So here is Tim Ferriss talking about the drug. Tim Ferriss, author of Four Hour Workweek. I felt like I was being torn apart and killed a thousand times a second for two hours. This was followed by hours of grand mal seizures. Ferris had rug burns on his face the next day. Good Lord, I thought I completely fried my motherboard, he said. I remember saying I will never do this again. But then later on, Tim Ferriss said that it actually will hold on. Hold on. Yeah. In all fairness, who the f**k is Tim Ferriss? Vernon No, I can't. We're not glossing over this. You said who the author of what the four hour workweek. This guy is incredibly influential on the self-help community service. Apparently men apparently who call it out. I'm going to call it out for a guy. Word a Daniel Jones Jones. Who am I outside of this number eight jersey? It's a question I have to ask everybody. Who am I? You've been wearing that for the past three weeks, and only when we do this podcast and also when I go to sleep. So, yeah, let's talk about Tim Ferriss. Oh, come on. He's pretty influential in the wellness self-help community. He wrote the four hour work week, which basically more or less revolutionized how people work. It doesn't matter. I'm just OK. I'm looking at this guy. The whole point? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, or I'm not letting you get past this, this guy. Yeah, I don't know. I don't trust this guy. He's got an untrustworthy face. Any guy who wears a mike that goes over the ear like you're in a musical. Oh, that's rare, though, when you're at when you're doing like a TED talk. Yeah, I mean, come on. Everybody in that community goes to see whether there's going to be a Netflix special about that has a microphone around their little mouth. I was just using him as an example of like a trip that you actually could have on ayahuasca. So like, sure. That's why I'm saying calling it applied medicine. OK, well, if you have grand mal seizures, maybe it's not really applied. Maybe it's more intense than an applied medicine. But so, yeah. Tim Ferriss goes on to say after, you know, after he had this awful experience a couple of months later, he said nine. Percent of the anger he had and he held on for decades was just gone. So an Aaron Rodgers case when he did ayahuasca did 30 percent of his talent disappear. This is a real question we have to ask, Do you think Sophie? He had enough of a drop off this season to cause concern in your mind that ayahuasca affected his performance? Hmm. Stuff. It is really tough because it is tough because I do think it really helped him. I genuinely think that it helped him because it made Aaron Rodgers let go of, you know, what people thought of him. You could just go and play the game like, I think that's really important. But then, you know, I think there is a sort of mentality when you get into this like super spiritual headspace of like, well, if it's not working, don't force it. And they really weren't working. So there's a part of me that's like, Well, you know, the receivers aren't as great. I can't force them to catch the ball, right? So I'm just not going to like, it's not that I don't care. It's just like, I can't be. I can't be overwhelmed by it. Yeah. For example, there's an Atari story of Michael Jordan being so competitive and non spiritual that during a celebrity softball game, a local Chicago radio host, there was a line drive in the first base line. He didn't die for it. Jordan came over and screamed at him. So you lose a little bit of that when you do ayahuasca. For better or for worse in athletics, it's hard to say. Like because that's also psychotic behavior, but sometimes it's helpful. Right. So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's going to be interesting what happens this season because it is all about intention. Yeah. And he does look healthier than he's ever been. Yes. Like he especially says of the haircut. Yeah, the haircut. The haircut, my god, I was just dying. King had chunks of hair falling out, and I was like, Dude, yeah, this is this is really, really bad. But ayahuasca, the whole idea of I was because you're intentional with it, right? So you're very intentional with what you're doing. And so maybe we just ask him. Listen, I'm not trying to, like, tell him how to live his life. I may maybe a little intentional about that. You want to be the best quarterback this year? You know what I mean? Put that into the universe, right? Maybe it's time to like, make that the intention versus just we can all agree that no matter what, getting a haircut as the intention as he does do ayahuasca this year, and when he asked to see what team he should go to next, it's definitely going to be not the jets. That's going to be the answer, right? Doesn't matter. Everyone knows jet as jets, jets, jets. Whether you believe in God, whether you're Jewish, whether you're a Buddhist, every deity that you know will tell you do not go to the jets. It's pretty simple. So if he goes to the jets and I'm like, Ayahuasca is taking him back, Wilson's even going to say he's going to pop up, he's going to be a manager and he's going to be like, This sort of goes like figuratively like, don't go to the judds. Don't do it. Don't do it. Oh, yeah, I don't know, man, what do you think? Do you think that affected it? I do, actually. But I also think two things happen ayahuasca. He got more chill with the fact of like, Hey, maybe this incomplete pass doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of life. And also what you said. He lost Devonte and also the Packers offense seem to be kind of rebuilding, and both of those things happening simultaneously makes it hard for me to tell. Was it the ayahuasca? Was it the fact that he needed a haircut? Was the fact that he's out of the State Farm adds. A lot of things were going on, but maybe also we can't forget about how much s**t he took last year for the vaccine thing, too. That probably took a mental toll that probably took a mental toll, too. So, yeah, I think I also think that maybe there's a point here. Yeah, maybe it's actually good at. He didn't care because there are a lot of things out of his control this year. He knew as a rebuilding year. Yeah, so it was no sense in trying to get to up in arms about it because, you know, like, I'm not saying that you can't go through on a rebuilding year, but it's very unlikely. And so it's like, what if, what can we achieve this year with the tools that we have? What can we achieve? And let that let the pieces fall where they're going to fall? And maybe that's actually going to be good in the long run, right? I mean, ayahuasca is helping. I think that's really good. And also, let's never forget that no matter how bad of a mental state Aaron Rodgers is Muhammad s**t. He gets in the media, how much drugs he does, how they have no receivers, 10 receivers, no one on the field, horrible coach. He will still beat the bears twice. It does not matter. It does not matter what this man is going through. He'll be doing ayahuasca on the field at Soldier Field. He'll just be like lying there on a mat with the dragons brew in his mouth and he'll still beat them. But actually, I want to say really quickly, let's talk about the time you did trip. So this is the time that Aaron Rodgers tripped on ayahuasca. So he did the dragons brew. I started deep on a journey where the ayahuasca is usually described as a grandmother spirit, and I met her and walked with her through past, present and future lives, not the house brew. And that was the real s**t. That's the real s**t. So to Tara, who I believe was the shaman. Oh yeah, had a house brew and which is what they typically serve. OK? And El Dragon, I'm again, not sure who this guy lives in. Wisconsin is so good. Wisconsin, I thought, You're talking about the shaman, but also the Shaman, a shaman from Green Bay, Green Bay, shaman. We should start calling him that. It was a shaman. That's great. And El Dragon brings his own brew, and one night Rogers saying it was so thick, you can hear it falling, which it kind of makes me think Brendan of the poly juice potion and Harry Potter. OK. Do you remember? Probably apologies, potion. No, I don't. But I trust you. Wow. I didn't read it. I was too busy reading Tim Ferriss, the hit self-help author. Oh God. OK, so Paul, just potion, guys. It's like there's like all kinds of gin. It's just like, really, really f**king thick. Yeah, it's what they it's what they drink and Harry Potter to transform into another person. Wow. I mean, we're talking about rebirth, so it actually makes sense. But then so after he drinks the dragon brew, then he's like lying there, setting his intentions. And then he was like, and then the purging starts, which I think purging is a really just like hippy way of saying throwing up. Yeah. So I talked to somebody who did ayahuasca. They went on a weeklong retreat last year. I've talked a lot of people have done it. She said that there is a term in Iowa. It's just a given you're going to throw up, but there's a term which I'm already out. I don't want grown up. I know Amadeo also like just to walk into that be like, What's up, guys? Nice to meet you. I'm going to puke on you later. If you throw up and s**t yourself or get diarrhea, it's called double platinum. Yeah, I'm dead serious. My friend told me this. It's called double o. I did a double platinum. Grammys were out here up last night and double platinum in the worst way. So I'm Harry Styles and I'm double platinum. Double platinum. That's f**king great, man. Yeah. So it's crazy. So then after purging, maybe he Oh, I love to think that that Aaron Rodgers did a double platinum. I love to think that he threw up and s**t himself. He probably did. Then the rebirth is the sunrise, and then you start anew. So that was the time that Aaron Rodgers did ayahuasca one of the many times he's done it, and it was a very spiritual process for him. So spiritual that he threw up and s**t himself. So basically, the deal is because a big question is, is he going to do ayahuasca again before he decides? Will he use ayahuasca as a decision as to where he's going to go next? He said there won't be another sitting and ceremony before the decision. I can tell you that when it comes to his life away from football, Aaron Rodgers has always operated from a unique playbook. That's one way to put it. And he has just announced plans to take a darkness retreat as he weighs his NFL future. So what does that mean? He says, laughing, perhaps after druggy. There's a two way like a little slot that they'll they'll drop in some food for you. But it's it's isolation and darkness. No, you know, no music. No nothing. After decades of Bart Starr and the Old Gunslinger, Packers fans have a quarterback who follows the zodiac. But the reason why you do not get in trouble for this is because the drugs are actually not banned by the NFL. The hallucinogens ayahuasca is not banned, and it's actually considered acceptable, so that's why he was able to be open about this. But Sophie, if he did do ayahuasca again this season, I think we would go a little something like this. OK, great. You be the shaman. OK. Erin, I am Morningstar. But I also go by Britney, your ayahuasca shaman. And today I'll be leading you in a holy ceremony to reconnect you to your true inner being cool. The first cup of ayahuasca is the Dragon's Brew, its bitter, harsh and unpredictable, much like the season you just had. Sorry, what? The great mother protects us in the space just like your offensive line protected you, but you still lost to the Detroit Lions twice. Why are you talking twice home and away? Who's he? No one knows, but he's a big Packers fan. Take a sip of the brew and take a deep cleansing breath. Repeat after me re tire o re tire. It's time to give Jordan love a chance to f**k, bro. I didn't come here for this. Hey, I'm Britney, I do love. They're all white. They all all the shamans are white and seen. No, they're all like, they all have to deal with horrific white people. Name Britney, though. Yeah, they're all like trust kids. But anyway, yeah, I mean, that's pretty much how it goes. So I think it's pretty interesting, Sophie. I think it's good to talk about what where do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to go as it stands right now? The talks are he might go back to the Packers, but his contract's huge. You might renegotiate his contract, he might go to the Raiders. Where do you see him going? What if I could? What Aaron Rodgers went to the Raiders and in Devonte Adams, I went back to the Packers. That's what I actually feel like might happen. That would be so good. It's so good, dude. I would love it if they reunite. If Aaron Rodgers goes the raiders, I mean, Las Vegas doesn't seem like a place for Aaron Rodgers, like he does seem like Wisconsin actually is a great for a hippie. Like there's trees, there's the wilderness. So we'll see. Also, every time I think he's going to leave, he always stays. I know. I think he's going to stay. He always stays. It's always like a year. It's like a four month process of him being like, I might leave now. Yeah, you know, but I don't know if I think he's going to stay, but I'd love him to go the raiders. I think it'd be great for him to go back with David Adams, and I think the Raiders have a great team and I think a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers could take them the whole way. Yeah, he would just have to be flown back to Wisconsin every weekend so he can reconnect to the soil and the cheese. Yeah, don't. I don't know how he's going to. Although just maybe I'll just dry out in the desert. That's a good point, so here are some possible trade destinations for Anna Rogers. Number one, we already mentioned this is the jets if he hates himself. Number two is the Raiders again. Will Davante Adams goes back to the Packers? That sucks. Man who was so close is just like a, you know, two ships passing in the night. Number three is a silent retreat. Number four is to be a yoga instructor in Costa Rica. Number five is a CEO of a hacky sack convention. Finally, and number six is a community theater where he is doing the production of the Exit King, which is because he's a dying king. So those are the possible trade destinations for Aaron Rodgers. So we talked about this earlier. Aaron Rodgers is referring to ayahuasca as applied to medicine. And Sophie, I'm going to make the argument that it's a drug and it's fine. But let's just call it a drug, so let's time to play a wonderful game. It's called applied medicine or it's a drug, bro. Great. So we're going to say the names of some substances, and we're going to tell you if it's applied medicine or it's a drug, bro. I wish we had like some sort of like team that could like when we say this, we just like here, it's drug bro. It's a drug, bro. Or we just here, you know, sponsored by Purdue. We are not associated with the Sacklers. Purdue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's fantastic. So shout out to the Sackler family for poisoning the United States of America. Anyway, let's go see dope sick. It's great. It's f**king good also. And then talk s**t about ayahuasca after you see that s**t. Which one's worse, bro? Yeah, that's Michael Keaton. So number one, heroin? It's a drug, bro. Have you seen it? It's a drug. That's drug, bro. No, to cocaine. It's applied medicine, but only in the financial district. Otherwise, it's a drug bro. Marijuana applied medicine and the only thing powering Seth Rogen and Snoop Dogg. No, for coffee, it's applied. Medicine means if it's our only medicine, it's our only medicine. Why I'm here right now. I went to the doctor. They said, Do you drink? I said, no. They said, You smoke. I said, No, they said, You coffee. I said, I have to live somehow. I screamed at her and give me something. I was like, OK, maybe we should get you on more medicine. K-pop, it's a drug, bro. I mean, it's such a drug, bro. It's really even if you don't like it, you start watching it. You're like, kind of into this. I'm really into it. I'm I'm high. I started acting like, I can dance like that. It's a drug, bro. Number six White Lotus Season one Applied Medicine Season two. It's a drug, bro. The guys are killing me off the case. They're killing me. It's this addictive drug vaping part. I mean, it's nothing to talk about. It is so stupid. One thing I do want to talk about quickly, Sophie, because we're killing this, but I think an interesting thing to bring up. We love shooting on Tom Brady on this podcast. I actually think that I prefer to shoot it more on Josh Allen if we're doing a shooting on context. But one quick thing I want to bring up. Aaron Rodgers got a lot of s**t for doing ayahuasca publicly and also the vaccine. But Tom Brady has had an equally unconventional trainer this entire time, doing some very eastern s**t that nobody ever seemed to really care about and ever give Tom Brady s**t for. His trainer's name is Alex Guerrero. And he actually was banned from being a doctor because it's because of some of his practices. But this dude hung out in the Patriots locker room, and then a lot of the Patriots started going to him and of the team doctor. It got so bad to the point that in 2018, Bill Belichick banned him from the locker room because he was like, OK, so it says Grill is Brady's spiritual guide counselor, pal, nutritional advisor, trainer, massage therapist and family member. Let's just say he's his boyfriend. Yeah, I mean, guys, if that's the only thing I don't like, guys, I kind of tuned out. I was like, When you said Spears were great, I was like, He is the one. He is also the godfather of Brady's son, Ben. But yeah, so girls had this controversial nutrition call godfather. That's a game of any time you named a godfather godmother. I'm like, Yeah, you guys f**ked, right? Like, that's how I feel. So he had this company called Sixth Degree in nutrition, and it was supposed to be supplements that were projected brain related, traumatic brain injuries and was Walker and Tom Brady both advocated for this product. Then the FCC shut it down in 2012, saying it was unsafe and not of code. All this to say I don't care about unconventional stuff that much. I'm not really bothered by this that much other than the like why you hang out in the locker room. That makes me feel a little weird. And why are you his spiritual guide and pal? But I just think it's interesting that nobody really said s**t about this, and Aaron Rodgers caught all kinds of s**t for ayahuasca, and I think ayahuasca is more natural than what our boy Guerrero is doing over here. Yeah, no, totally. I mean, again, if it comes from the ground, I'm definitely a big believer. I think my take is it comes from the ground. If it's something that's like a ritual process that's been done over hundreds of years, thousands of years, maybe like if this is something that is, you got to go to Peru to get it. I really trust it. I trust it way more than what's being manufactured and sold on the f**king shell. That's what I'm going to say. And a guy who creates his own fitness nutrition plan because he doesn't believe in the other ones like that s**t shady to me. Yeah. And no one. Yeah, no one ever talks about the Brady. But Brady did make some headlines because he is retiring once again. Once again, when this podcast airs, he will be back. Yeah, he's playing a play for the Packers and it's going to be writing. He'll be writing the sequel to Eddie for Brady, right? Which we cannot wait to see as much as we're talking to Tom Brady. We will see you at the theater. Jane Fonda, call me like, seriously, you're still hot. So anyway, this has been great. It's really been great. So let us know, do you think ayahuasca is applied medicine? Do you think Aaron Rodgers did not as well this year because of ayahuasca? Or do you want Aaron Rodgers to just keep doing ayahuasca because it makes football fun? Why not? Let us know. Just see the devil on the field. It's fantastic. Yeah, the vine of the devil was in the vein of that. I think actually it's called the vine of the dead. My God. Anyway, shout out to everyone using the vine of the dead and we'll see on the next one by. All right. If you enjoyed listening to this podcast, please like subscribe, share with your friends. Share with your drunk uncle. I don't know and give us a five star rating. You can follow us at Hammered Heroes Pod on Tik Tok and Instagram. Or you can follow us individually. Sophie Santos at Sophie East Santos on Instagram or at The Real Sophie Santos on Tik Tok. Or you can follow Brendan at the Underscore Brendan Fitzgibbon's on both Instagram and Tik Tok. Bye bye now !