Mark Twitchell - SK Confessions

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So see the highlight reel for Instagram because when we're among vinyls, there's no filter. It's time to unwind. Here's your host, Kaitlyn Bristowe. I just want a Tesla. You did. Yeah, but I can't figure out how to charge it. Shut up. So I was parking in this garage and I see there's an open, yeah, like, Oh my god, yeah. And so I'm trying to do all the things. I couldn't even figure out how to open the handle. So I feel like. You could probably YouTube that. I'm hoping this one, which is broken. Oh, like you've tried and it's not working like I kept scanning my card, my phone and everything, and it didn't answer my. Well, hopefully the next one I go to, I figure out otherwise I'm trapped in my life. When did you get a Tesla? It came like two weeks ago. A fun. I love it. So worth it. I drove my Mazda for like 12 years. Yeah, and then I had to rent a car for like a month because the Mazda or the muscles were like, Yeah, yeah. Finally, showed up worth every penny. OK, that's so interesting. So in Nashville, they have like no charging stations. That is a problem, I think. Know, like where you live in Nashville, they have churches everywhere. No, no electric cars anywhere. We've got we've got Katie. She puts the T in Katie. I love when you come on because you literally text me, you go. Nothing is off limits. I was like, That's a dream guest right there. That's a dream. I'm an open book. I like to say, I know you do bring it on. This is why I love you. So I love that we have you in the flesh, face to face. So thank you for driving your Tesla. I knew it. Yeah. Tell me about everything because you were saying and I said, Don't say that yet. Save it for the podcast. Now that you're single, you crave sex more than ever. Yeah, I don't know. Like what it is like. Sure, there's some science behind that. Actually, I was going to say, like, I feel like my body's like, you know, you're 31, you need to find a mate. I'm going to make you extra horny, so you feel extra motivated to match up with somebody. Have you been dating at all? Dating or going on dates? I think there's like a definition. That's true. That's true. I been playing the scene a little bit. Yeah, like, I'm not really trying to get into a relationship. I have my life obviously has been chaos for the last two years. Yeah. So I need to just like, take a beat and slow down and figure my s**t out. But obviously, like, dating is very fun. Dating is fun. Well, depends. I found it fun when I was single and dating, I actually loved it. I loved it. Dating 30 minutes same time. Oh love, that's just the difference. Yeah, that's just it. But are you enjoying it? I asked. Yeah, yeah. And it's fun because as long as you're communicating very clearly, like, Hey, I am not looking for a relationship right now, it just kind of clears any agenda or like expectations or pressure, and it just makes it that much better. Don't you think it makes the guy kind of feel like, Oh, you're down to like sex, which isn't right? I was like, Well, I mean, I just feel no shame. Yeah, you know, I mean, it just means like, look like we can have a great time, whatever that means. Who knows? But just don't expect to, like, introduce me to your mom. Like, I'm not trying to do that. She's like, I have got one foot out the door. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, I just heard about that bd and I just was. Yeah. Was that Kim Kardashian? You guys are not picking up what I'm putting down today. Big Tech Energy. Well, I got that part. I just don't know the Kim K. What kiss? It's like it was like, she's so upset right now. I'm going to pull this one up for you because I think you will know it once you hear it, because it's a trend in sound from Kim K. Yeah. Yeah. Now her and Pete are done. That's right. What a big loss for the country, devastated for everyone, as you know, two big break ups of the year, Katie and John. I'm exhausted and and Kim and and Pete, I'm just I think I'm just Kardashian fatigue. I just can't with them anymore, really? Oh, it's just a lot. I'm just I don't care anymore. Is that terrible? But with the family in general, it's just so much. I guess it's like, you know, why? Can we just take a little bit of a pause right now? It's kind of like when Trump was like tweeting and it was all like a heavy, heavy news. And it still is. But I was just like, I get it there a lot. It's always something. But that's why they're so small now. Yeah. And that's all marketing it. Sure, it's great. I'm still trying to find this. It may sound. Do you think the relationship was marketing? Mm hmm. I think there seems to be something. Oh, it's a thing for sure. Yeah, I have have clients that have had arranged publicity relationships. Really? Yeah. To promote a movie or because projects coming up and let's be seen together, photograph or to press together and get the rumors going. How what happened to you and John? Well, she's like, What? You know now it's like now I'm here for the clickbait right now, and now I'm just going to go there. Well, I I don't know what happened, though. I really don't know how it happened with Johnny. Yeah, well, here's here's what's great. Yeah, it's been like over two months now. I feel like I'm in such a good place to talk about it. Yeah. Had you asked me like the week of yeah, I would have just cried. Really? I never stopped. Really? Wait, I didn't know you were really upset about it. Oh yeah, he don't know if you know that I knew he dumped you. I think you told me that, but I actually thought you were kind of going to maybe dump him. So I thought, what? No. Look, I bought this man a travel ban. I let this man quit his job. I was like, Whatever you need me to be, I will be. Which in hindsight, if that's healthy, that's not good, right? You know? No, that's not. But it is a little like offensive to be like, damn, like, I gave you everything and you're still being like this guy now. So how did he do it? He just was over one day and like, broke up. So actually, did you sense it coming? So technically, we actually broke up twice the first time no one knew about. I mean, obviously, like our very close friends did and maybe like a week or two, we kind of like worked through it and decided to get back together. So I thought we were golden because, you know, if you get back together after breakup, right, you're really like the media. Whatever the situation is. Yeah. And then it just like, I think it's just unavoidable. Yeah, we just don't know how it happened. Like, we just got in on a conversation. And at one point I just said to him, I was like, I know more reasons why you don't like me than why you left. Wow. And that's a really s**tty feeling. That is a s**tty feeling, you know, and there's there's a lot of like give and take when it comes to a relationship. But for me, the big tipping point is to this day, will always this off. You know, he said, you know, I just really need someone who can enjoy my passions and wants to watch surf, maybe surfing with me or not. I look at him and I go, You realize I jumped out of a plane. You did for him three times, twice solo skydiving to join him in his passion. Yeah. Eight hours of ground school. All these things to partake in his passion. Yeah. And somehow that was completely ignored. Yeah. And now we're focused on surfing. At that point, I knew nothing I did was going to be good. Yeah. So it was really a blessing in disguise because I think I would have, you know, we're such nurturing people, women, especially, and I think I would have stuck it out a lot longer than I should have. So like now, I'm in a very good place about it. Yeah, then I was probably the saddest I've ever. This was just a couple of months ago. Yeah. Oh, it's still really fresh, but I'm great. Like, yeah, that's good. I cried it out. Yeah, I went to Mexico. Yeah, they say the best way to get over someone is to get under someone. She said it not me, but nice, but a little Mexican rendezvous. Look, I'm just I'm just in a good place. Yeah. You know, I just I realized my my worth. I realize what I want. I feel in some ways like so free now because, you know, you're always walking on eggshells, trying to be someone who's always so dissatisfied. Yeah. And then finally, I'm like, the only person I thought to myself was in and out of the bedroom. The self-esteem must have been low when you were in the relationship. I was like, Why do you think that you were trying to do anything for him to please him? And kind of I feel like you are a very self-aware person. And I don't picture you losing yourself in a relationship. So what happened there? I don't know. Like, I think I was just a little bit maybe in denial at first, you know, it was such a big deal to date him so quickly after ending my engagement with, you know, so already there was like a lot of like public opinions about that's total it. But I was like, Is this worth it? And to this day, it's still a little confusing because since Dani, I got. Two know each other as friends. I was like, you knew who I was before we dated. So why is it that once we started dating, you started to question like, Oh, I need someone who's this? I never said I was that right? You know, like it. It just really caught me off guard, and I just really put all my eggs in one basket with this man, and I don't want to regret it. I think every relationship is a lesson, but it was just six months crash and burn. Yeah, and that's six months. Is that how long it was? Yeah, give or take. Yeah, it's so hard to. Yeah, I feel like the you know, one of the s**tty things about having some sort of platform is people's opinions and like on your relationship. And I always say this it's perpetuated misogyny that they always think it's the woman's fault. Like, you must have done something wrong for him to do that and you weren't enough. And I use that like women America specifically. But in the world that America, I hates women. Yeah, I mean, I get so many comments like you're 31 and single, like, something must be wrong with you. Yeah, why did this song have to be wrong with me? Why is it that I just I'm not going to settle? Yeah. Why is it that I'm just, you know, staying true to myself and I haven't found someone who's going to match that energy? Like, why is that such a bad thing? The tide is turning. It is, but still it's but it's heavy in the oh yeah, the guys, it's always like, what did she do wrong? Oh, even even me not being married, but being engaged for a long time. It's like the the comments are always, oh, it's her second engagement and Jason still dragging his feet. There must be something wrong with her. It's like what? Julia Roberts Runaway Bride? Don't trust her. I was about to do a movie quote, and I know I read my audience. I understand we would have fake laugh for Gimme Gimme. I don't hear it. Julia Roberts, Julia Rob, per se. Do you know from sorry? I know. I want to know it. Cynthia dead. Jesus died for our sin. The US. What you've done? I know. Do you know? Come on, you guys. I'm way. What's it from? I know you've played this clip for me before. It's from. I probably have done this before and I didn't lend. And I don't know why you tried to. I'm gonna get, especially today. Now it's time for you to jump straight. Oh, well, that's why Jonah Hill, he was so I mean, it was a great movie, but like, people see it like one time. Remember he was doing slam poetry. Yeah. As for you guys, OK? So anyways, great relationships. Yeah. But what I'm getting is I'm getting no. I joke that I will hard launch on my wedding day for the next person I end up seeing. That's a good call. Yeah, because really, though, they interpret everything you do sometimes, right? But did John Carroll about social media are like what people thought of him on the internet? Hmm. Sorry, John, you're not going to like my opinions, but it's I think being on TV and gaining a platform does change some people. Yeah. And I was very frustrated with how our breakup was handled after the fact because I do think he cares like what these strangers think about him and us. And it was a little frustrating for me because I'm like, who cares what they think or like, how they're interpreting this? But I don't know if you know, but when I came out with my quote statement, it was literally like statement. Yes, we are weird. Yeah, we are not together. We're not together. I was just I was so annoyed of like having to cater to the public, asking and making a statement and coming out and. And I was literally like cornered into a wall to like, essentially come out quicker than I wanted to about it. So I said fine and I bet sentence and I said, I send it and I was like, Rip, the Band-Aid. Yeah. I'm so done. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And then did you go on Reddit after, Oh, I don't actually know if I wanted to hurt myself. Yeah, I know. Oh, it gets. Oh, it's nasty if you want to cry. Yeah, just go to read it. Yeah, if you want to feel like the biggest failure loser piece of s**t, you read about yourself on Reddit. Oh, I just did like a deep dive on like orcas, there's a good place and read it somewhere, but not The Bachelor right now. Oh, OK, well, people are now questioning where you to stand. Are you friends? Yeah. Or are you? Yeah, I'm getting there. Well, friendship, a friendship. Were you guys just hanging out? So when we broke up, we did all like us and our friends go to a fair together and it was very fine or whatever. But then, you know, like the more time apart, the more those things that we're like working more like, you're annoying. Yeah. I dunno if I could swear yet again. And so we definitely had a lot of like little, I don't know, tiss together. You would love to stay friends. I have friends is a strong word, I think, and I would use for him this time. It's fair but fair. We're on good terms. Yeah, he's paying me back for the van that I bought him, so. That is nice. I offer to watch Dexter, who is just injured by their dogs. Yeah, because John's live in that van life and I was like, Dexter does not need to be in a van recovering from the dog attack. No, sweetie, but acting. Well, no, I'm not. I offered. Oh, it didn't work out. OK? I guess the short answer is like, we're OK, we're good enough civil. And so now did you find a place to live in San Diego? Yeah, I'm moving this week, actually, which is going to be so great because also, I don't know how many people realize this. So when I was engaged to Blake John, actually, I'll pick out the apartment that Blake and I were supposed to live in together. So this apartment just has like bad vibes. I won't let any guy come to that place. I was like, This place is haunted. It's bad luck. There's too many like memories. You know, Blake's been there. John's been there. I'm I'm so done. Apartment. Get me out. Yeah. And you need to do that Tik Tok trend. And if this doesn't fly with you too, I'm quitting my podcasts. Good luck. You know, the Tic TAC is going to right now. It's like, burn it. Yeah, ha. Don't you see that? I say, stand there and look stupid? No, I said, Burn it. That's what you should have a really good idea. Yeah. I do not want it talking about. So you're moving out of this spot in L.A. San Diego? Oh yeah. And you're moving to San Diego. You're saying you're sitting there. Yes, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah. Do you love San Diego? Well, I've only been here a year. Yeah, and I feel like it's too soon to leave and I put so much effort to make connections, you know, outside of the show. You know, I have a volleyball team now and my favorite restaurants and different people I've met in the city. Yeah, yeah. And I've gone and done things like by myself now, and I just want to give myself like at least one more year to experience. I love San Diego. I get it. It's great. Yeah, I have a place to live. All right venues. Let's talk about Hyundai for a second. Everything is better electrified. And Hyundai has the widest range of electrified vehicles on market, including their first ever Tucson and Santa Fe plug in hybrid EVs. Their turbocharged engines have quiet, rapid acceleration, and you can use electric when you want or gas when you need. So it's your journey. Evolve it beyond the pump in the 2022 Tucson or Santa Fe plug in hybrid EVs, visit your nearest Hyundai dealer or learn more at Hyundai USA AECOM call five six two three one four four six zero three for complete details. You don't talk to Blake at all. No, I reached out to him initially. He did not respond and I just am respecting those boundaries. OGA yeah, but I'm like, he's off doing something hanging out with frickin Natalie from What's I love is blind or yeah, was that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, OK. But we don't care. No. And I know Natalie and I personally, I can't wait. You guys are friends. Yeah, yeah. Reality TV people, we all just kind of are in the same pool of its like Sister Wives. Yeah, we really are in the same pool as I was telling Katie about Wells and Sarah's wedding at my table. Oh, Russell's Nick Viall, Chris Harrison, Ben Higgins should have just added Shawn Booth to the table, and it would have been a party. Yeah. A. And this is where I like reality TV is missing because that would have just been great television. Bachelor needs to have other spin off show. Yes, like like competition shows did for a while they had Bachelor Pad and Winter Games. Yeah, Winter Games didn't go over so well. Bachelor Pad was so good, though. Oh, is that like Big Brother? It kind of. It kind of was like, I don't know. So it was so long ago and the ending, I won't spoil it. It's like you could spoil it and find I like the spoiler some time. Will you like you won money? And if you're in a relationship and you ended you, maybe it's OK. You could basically choose to share the money with your partner or take it all yourself. But you guys had to have the same answers, so the girl showed her at first and agreed to share it. And have you guys had the same answer? Like, let's say they both said, take it that no one won. So it was like, Hmm, yeah. So she said, share it. And then he flipped it, and he said, Take it, which was so risky, so shocking. And it was like a quarter million dollars. Yeah, and he took it, and I felt so that was bad for her. So I'm really getting her name. Rachel was her name, Rachel. It was. I don't. No, her name was so long ago that was on I go. She did not deserve that. It was so shocking. I wonder, like after the camera, then if he's like, Let's share it now. You know, I don't think she wanted to even speak to him after that. I don't know. And I think it might have been the last season, but was I mean, was it it was such a good show. It's good to end on a high note. Yeah, because that was great television. They did. If you're a fan, if they did another show, a dating show, would you do it? Oh hell no. Oh hell no. No, no, no. What about any dating show? No, no, I don't think so. I mean, I think reality TV can be fun, but dating reality now. Do you have a non-negotiable list for your next partner? Because I love that question. Oh, really? Yeah, that's great. A non-negotiable. The Bachelor franchise. I am not dipping into that pool anymore. Why? Everyone online, general generalize that much, but it's a certain type. You know what I mean? It's they're all to a certain extent, either they're a certain type or the show changes them a little bit and they become a certain type. And obviously, yeah, how you set it. You know, I've already done place like, yeah, I just I'm not interested. And there's been some that's led to mediums and just, yeah, but like in talking to them, it's just like, it's so trendy. Yeah, right after you talk to. No, I don't want to like I want out that I will respect their boundaries and see, Oh hell, no girl have a screen showing that soap box and sending it to you. Oh hell yeah, I knew you would. Oh, that's OK. That's fair enough. You have to respect their privacy, but I can't wait for you to tell me off. So no one on Bachelor or reality TV in general? Yeah. Is that an obligation to you? I mean, I I wouldn't say that. I just know for sure, like the Bachelor franchise is, we're just we're too like interchangeable everyone. I feel like it's like, Yeah, it's too close. It's too close to explain it. Yeah. Well, is there anything else that you're like, this is a hard no for me. I feel like I'm like so open. Yeah, like I. She doesn't like cats, OK, that's obviously like a hard knock and a red flag like my yeah. Or doesn't like animals, you know, even that's it. That is a monster. Well, what if? What if there's a guy? You hit it off? Great. Maybe he's just not comfortable with cats. Very allergic. Would rather you not have one. I just don't think it would. Wow. I mean, I can't see that like. Yeah. Like, John was allergic and we live together, and it's not how it works. So it's like they have to compromise. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still alive. So line in the sand. What would be your number one quality you're looking for in a partner? Oh, by the way, you'd be alone, too, because I won't say this because I find somebody I should say. I'm actually very, very excited to be single, and I've been doing this thing where I'm like dating myself and taking myself out and going out alone and some of the best things that happen when I have had the courage to just do something alone. Like so many fond memories, yeah. And so I really am just focusing on myself. Truly, am I open to like finding someone? Sure, I hope so, but it's just not a priority. Yeah, I love that. But they don't have to be confident. I think that's a big, a big one, especially given like my background. It's really awkward to know that like, Oh, you've dated 30 guys on TV and I could like watch that and you and secure for sure. Yeah. So they definitely you like confident and whatever we have. Yeah. So yeah, confidence is OK, let's the spilling the Katie. I'm sure everybody always says it. Like, I'm like, not that creative. But one of my favorite things about you is how nothing is off the table and you're just not afraid to tell it like it is so obvious. I'm like nervous now. Her face, you know, her little devil horns just popped out reading there. What is the hottest you have right now? Oh, you should have happened. Like at least thinking like, I know so much. Oh my gosh, tell me. But I'm going to be and I don't know any team. No, see, the hard part is 70 is like you can share and then some teams like you have to like, say it without saying it, but then people can interpret it and then, you know, well, I want, I would. I just want piping hot. Yeah, just straight up, like fresh out of the kettle. Yeah, a little bit of honey or not. The tea? Yeah. And it could be tea about anything. Anything DfT. Oh, I bet dehydrated right now. The liquid. You'd think I'd have some tea from the sweating. I was just that. But I don't because it was like there's helicopters swirling around for paparazzi, really? Yeah, but stressful. Did you guys have to sign like an NDA? No, I think they just trusted us. But I'm the wrong one to trust when it comes to, like, leaking photos. I just was like, you can't post that. They have to wait for their bug to come out. And I was like, Is she doing better? Yeah. Oh, wow. No. I was like, Love that. We're taking a photo. And it was like all bachelor people and they're like us. It was just like US Weekly and they're like Vogue. I'm like, Let's take notes. They go, Yeah, I'm like, Vogue. Wow, you know, I really fell in love with your ex wife. Oh my god. Were they there? Yeah. OK, Derek, in this weird roundabout way is the reason I ever applied to be on the show. Why? So I know it's so random. Random? I know. So I was a fan of the show, just as a normal viewer. Yeah, I remember the first season I watched. It was a long time ago. Yeah, Ashley's actually Herbert at the time. Yes. And so anyway, I was also on Facebook because that was also active at the time. Yeah, I was part of the Badges Facebook group, which is like The Bachelor. Yeah, yeah. And Derek used to be a moderator for it or like a group called Yeah. And so I never really participated. But one day I randomly commented and I was like, Hey, I see they're still looking for contestants for Matt season, doesn't that seem like a little late? And he responded, and he never engages with this group, but he just so happened to respond to that comment and say, Yeah, it's not. It's not uncommon for it to be this late. People can get picked like a week before filming Derrida if you're wanting to apply it. And so I did. And if it was like, gosh, if it wasn't for that because I truly thought it was like, This is too late, this ad is old or whatever it was that I was watching. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. I've never talked to him, though I've always like, thought, Hey, you should. We've never met. But because of you, my whole life has changed. You should tell him that. Yeah, yeah, I like those of him and his wife. They're really awesome. Do you think anything, you know, because I get a bit hesitant he gets me in so much trouble and sometimes it's not worth my mental state and I'm in a great mental state. OK, that's fair. We don't want to hear. You did get some nice, I mean, some tea, just talking about your relationship. I mean that. Yeah, those are unfiltered thoughts. Yeah. OK, well, let's bring back up the NIC drama for a second. How did you reach out to? For that, of course not. Oh my gosh, I thought for sure. Actually, the actually drop, he's black, so maybe he did, but I doubt it. Tell, tell him then I'm sorry just to catch me so dumb. It's so it's soda, OK? I was on a live on Tik Tok, which I thought was like a secret little part, and for like 60 seconds. I happened to mention that Nick is blocked from my phone and I go like, I kind of forget he exists. Like, which is, I think, a fair statement. Like, there are people who are not in my life. Why would I remember that they are around now anyway? It was whatever, but it was screen recorded and then posted. And the amount of content it created from Nick's podcast, other podcast media outlet Instagram Account was jumped on while yeah. Oh wow. Wild over this like literally 60 seconds of you just saying I just talked. Yeah, yeah. And so now people were really dissecting what happened to Nick, especially? Yeah, you took it. He took it to the pod and then as a three part series girlfriend, spent, I don't know, 20 minutes. I heard just. I don't really know breaking it down, talking about it, whatever. And then you're OK here, like you said, I found the OK, I'm happy to show, OK, I'm happy to ship. OK. So let me give you the background. Little miss Natalie is all up in arms over her man. OK. The girl she decides and Nick doesn't stop her to read a text that I had sent it, which was about my feelings of Greg's back during, like when my season was airing. And he reads or allows her to read it, and on a podcast, on a podcast, a private text sent to net as if some way to like, I don't know, destroy me, who knows because I stand by everything I say, like he read it. I was like, I've been saying that. So like, I don't know. It kind of like, aha moment that you thought that was or whatever. But anyway, the reason, ironically, he is black is for sharing my text to somebody else. Oh, and so it's so funny. He drove the point home, so funny that he was like, Wow, that's crazy. Like, he didn't. I don't think he knew the reason. I don't. I don't know. Yeah, we hadn't spoke about it. And he tried to, like, defend himself. And I'm like, You know, why do you care? Yeah, but OK, so there's the T. The reason he is blocked is for invading my privacy and sharing my text. A year ago, and then here he is, doing it on a huge platform, his girlfriend sharing his text. Yeah. Yeah. Oh gosh. OK, crazy. Fair. Not now. So I'm like, Well, you exactly like. I feel very validated. Thank you for that. All the validation I never needed. Down crazy. Yeah. And look, I'm going to say it right now, and it's a frickin politician within Bachelor Nation and everyone knows it. That's why he doesn't like to text. He likes to call people so that people can't do exactly what he did to me or just share what he's saying. It's it's true. You heard it here. Oh, OK. It's political, like playing the game. Like he's just he's just a politician, you know? Yeah. Like, those people are just like doing whatever's best for them and them only and doing whatever needs to happen to make that work. Mm hmm. Even if that means you're going to be dragged. Yeah. Like, I'll probably be dragged out of this. Oh yeah. Oh, I get dragged on everything. Oh, sure, deal. That's because you read. Read it, though, so you OK? I'm careful. OK, like I know when to read it and why not? I like to read it when it's not about me, because they're actually very funny people. When they're hilarious, when they're happy and they're happy and not judgmental. You just told me it's dark. Well, I never go before. I never I've never even been. I told Katie this. I've never read a Reddit article about me. I've never searched, but what I've seen is screenshots. People have taken and said, Look how funny this is. And somebody said, like, what a s**tty data of eyeballs. And they like so. And I was like, I recycle that line all the time. Now I'm like, That is funny, you know? And it's so interesting because I actually think I would get along with Reddit for the most part. Yeah, but when it's about me, I really do try to avoid it because I've I've worked so hard to get to this happy little mental space that I'm in. It took two years, but I'm here good. I'm here thriving. And yeah, I have you guys right? I have arrived in my bubble. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I've seen you go through some real ups and downs. Oh yeah, I'm that's I wouldn't do it again. Like I'm. It took so much to get to this exact moment. Well, it's nice. It only took you two years. Took me about five. Yeah. What does this mean? It said, did Greg actually reach out to Cabe to ask about Katie? Yes, I know he's claimed. What does that mean? You remember how you told me because I know it was true that he had reached out to you to ask. Oh, oh yeah. Oh, he reached out. Yeah, to ask if you were engaged? Oh yeah, he did do that s**t. I was reading this thing like, I don't know what she's talking about, but I was thinking, like, recently. Yeah, when the season was airing, wow. Yeah. Greg reached out to me and said, Oh, and said, Yeah, and you know, here's the like. That's cue. Here's the crazy part. So we're not supposed to talk to each other after the show. No one is like, that's the rules, right? But I do think that Greg and I had the opportunity to have a private Dylan conversation just like no cameras, no producers, no whatever. I feel like everything could have been very different. And I don't mean, not romantically. I just mean, like at afar, it was very intense. There's still like this like chaos. I mean, time. I literally like for the word Greg, like the internet explodes. It's insane. Yeah. And it's really unfortunate because I just feel like I really believe that we had a private talk, which I will say. I kind of wonder if I've never asked. Obviously him, I don't. But you know how when you click on someone and there's a message and it says, like, accept the message. Yeah. So I happen to like message. This is look. Yeah. And it said that message. But there was no message that was to deleted. And if I wasn't, there could be a glitch. I'll give him that. Of course, I've never I've never even sent him during a glitch. I don't know. I'm just saying it's just I hate all the negativity that continues to surround the conversation of Katie and Greg. And so like, I'm done. I'm not going to say anything negative about the end of the day. I knew him for a very short, yeah, you know, but I always do wonder like what would have happened to him and I would have just broken the rules a little bit. Yeah, I had a little chit chat. Yeah, right before we were then filmed. And it just seems like very peaceful like we've been talking about, you know, that's not good television for really boring. That's why they don't want you to do it, you know? Yeah, but are you watching the season? I am. I'm a little bit behind. Yeah, it's a little tough to watch because there's I don't mean as a disc to anybody. No, I know it's just you've got two women. Yeah, multiple love stories. It's already hard to tell a whole story with one lead and 30 guys. Now you're trying to like be this like two for one deal. Yeah, it's just I just feel bad for everybody who is going through this. Not like a full real, especially Rachel. Yeah, I agree. Are you watching LOL? I'm I'm not. I know. Yeah. Yeah, I need to catch up now. One of my favorite things in the world was when you tried to do a Bachelor in Paradise Paradise recap and you have no idea you just like fake. It was hilarious. I just called them out. I was like, You have to do something else. They have you. Have you ever heard of my podcast? Like, it's like my fiftieth time I've been on set. You know what I do, right? Well, it was a it was a recap episode. Yeah. So it was like, Oh no, it was basically like when I tried to make these jokes with you guys. Yeah, it was like a fart in church. Anyway, the follow up time that I was on, I redeemed myself a bit like a historian for Bachelor. So it was I had read it and everything. Yeah, he had and he knew everybody and everything, and it was. I got super into it. Yeah, life hack. There are some great YouTube channels that will summarize it 40 minutes or less. I'll break it down for me. Really? Yes. I think that I should sit on my couch watching commercials and hours. 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It's hard to follow these love stories like I just watched the hometown date and I was like, so invested in this one. And then it swapped and then it was Gabby's turn, and then I was like, Oh, right now I've got to get invested in this relationship, like I was just so into that one, and now I have to flip. And then they go back to her and it's just it's a lot. Yeah, I it's hard. I don't think people are as invested because they're like, I just got to know him and we are at hometowns now. It's tough to get invested in in it because it's so flip flopping. Do you think they'll do a two bachelor? I mean, season? I don't. I just feel like they should just to make it fair. Don't you think Mike Johnson and Peter Kraus would be perfect, OK? I definitely would vote yes for that. Yeah, I really do. Or a Tyler Cameron? Yeah, he'll never do, though. Hashtag Cameron Tyler Cameron would be the perfect bachelor. The girls would do anything, anything for him or the like. That's what I think. It's a producer dream. These girls will literally be like I will salvage, and I need to know if that feels like it's a one on one. I will do it. What kind of a power? And Tyler Cameron? Yeah. Is that in demand? Oh yeah. I mean, all right, that is frickin six four. He's a giant. Beautiful. I've seen him so kind. Do you think he's a 10? I guess, like textbook. Like, sure, he's a 10. Good luck. Jupiter, Florida. I'm good. He's a four. So it's just that I like a little bit more spice. I think he's just like a beautiful white dude. Yeah, that's bachelor. Yeah, exactly. Oh, he's a really good looking. He looks like an Abercrombie model. I'm sure he was. So does Mike Johnson think he's really beautiful? Mike would be great. I've been wanting that. People have been wanting Mike Johnson for a long time. Yeah, he's I just feel like they did the whole thing or they're like, Look, we did what society is telling us to do, but now we're going to go back to the old ways again. Yeah, yeah. Because that's well, rumor has it. It could be Nate. Oh, you had Nate. Oh yeah, I love Nate. Yeah, yeah, a little bit of a scandal following him around, though. So what's the scandal? He's dating two girls at the same time. He's a boy, so and he dated one girl for a year and a half and never told her about his daughter. And now, I don't know if this is true. This is coming from a girl who allegedly it's all allegedly, but I don't want to not believe her. Yeah, no, no. I believe her. Yeah, I just don't know. Like the story. Like, why are like, you know, and I don't know. I think I'm just so like unfazed by boys. I'm like, Of course he's a boy. They all are like, I don't know. That's fair. I it sucks because like, I obviously am always going to be like, Yes, another black bachelor. Let's make it happen. And it's just really unfortunate that this story is kind of following him around now. I don't know how they're going to handle it. Again, rumors, I don't know. You know, when I saw Mike Fleiss standing up for him on Twitter, I was like, Oh, they probably want him to be The Bachelor. Yeah. Well, and you know, they were looking for, you know, single moms, whether that was like their Michael or Britney, I don't know. But they the dad. So have you seen any of the San Diego boys out and about there? Logan, I heard, was a big boy in San Diego. Oh, I've talked to Logan, actually. Really? I just I just reached out to him when I saw one of his posts talking about like mental health. Yeah, I think I just always will have a soft spot, no matter what your at it was, no matter how I was feeling. If you talk about mental health, I'm going to reach out. But like, are you OK? Yeah, like if you like, just know what you're feeling is very normal. We all go about mental health. Yeah, it was a pretty like one, but he seems OK. Yeah, I don't know him to know. Like, is this his normal way of talking or is he still a little like scarred or whatever? So yeah, he just got a tough edit. But I still when when I broke it down, I talked to Charlene, and when we broke it down, we were like, Is he a villain? Like, Not really. Oh, he wanted both women. Shame on him. So it's a yeah, it's a hard thing for everyone to navigate, which is why I just hope they never do this double bachelorette ever again. Yeah. I don't think they will. I don't think they have ever had a Bachelor or bachelor that had children. Yes, yes, Jason. Jason Resnick. And he was successful in his. Well, that being his final choice and then going with his runner up, Molly. But they are now married. They live, they're actually in Washington. Yeah, they've been together forever. They've gotten together. Oh, and so he had kids, previously had a boy, a little boy who's now like seven feet tall. That's crazy. Yeah. They've lost children. Aging makes me feel old. Same. Like what? No. I saw a little girl that is not a little girl I used to teach dance to, and she was like three. And now she, like, is drunk at a bar, got drunk at a bar. It's so weird. I want to do OK. If you can make a Mount Rushmore of past Bachelor contestants, would it be? That's cool. Mm hmm. How many? Like five people right to judge me. How many pieces right now? Four places. Yeah. Or have I say something so I'm educated. I get so far, it seems, is. But I also only know because I went there once, twice. I think at Mount Rushmore twice. It's so weird. It's OK. Men, women, anyone. Oh, your favorite four of all time. My favorite? Yeah, OK. Kaitlyn, honestly, and I know I have DMs to prove that, OK, I was I was a cute little super fan. Yeah, she was. So yeah, yeah. OK, so that's one Kaitlyn. Matt James. Yeah, he deserves the platform. Yeah. OK, so now you know what? I love Claire. Claire deserves the platform as well. OK. Yep, yep. And then let's put them, this is not like, OK, let's just because these aren't like favorite, but I just whose face is deserving of this. I like that. Yeah. Rachel Lindsay. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, I love me some Rachel Lindsay. I don't want to spice it up. Or like Colton Underwood in there. I saw him today. Oh, you did. Not on purpose. Oh yeah. Absolutely not. Yeah, thank you. I feel like he's he's just probably like a little out of the loop. But yeah, absolutely not. Look, Krystle's now. Yeah, OK. Now you just had Oh, how much wine have you have you like for Mount Rushmore of crystals called so white boy white boy. I looks your fame and you know, I'm Jesse Palmer. Oh yeah, yes. Well, oh, and then here's one that everyone hated. It was a good one, Pablo. I'm Juan Pablo. I want a scandalous Mount Rushmore. It was so weird, Jason. I were driving back from the winery today and we're like driving through somewhere to get here. And I was like, Colton's right there. He was just like walking down the street on the highway. You know, it was like it was like walking down a mountain that we were driving through. Oh, wow. Did you honk? No, because have you met? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he was. And Jason, we're like, we're tight and then kind of went through some drama. But we were like driving and he was walking. And I just was like, it took me a second for my brain to process and I was like, Colton. And then Jason was like, Oh s**t. And then he's like, Well, we should turn around and say, hi. And I was like, Nah, nah, nah. We just kept driving nuts because I was already late, though today because my time zones. You're asked to go on Family Feud. You needed two men and two women to play with you from Bachelor World. Who would you choose? Two men. Two women. Okay, so I'm kind of like really smart people, which is hard because. There's not a lot that no shows that when we're filming now, I'm like on the quick wit two for Family Feud. OK, Michael, a for sure. Yeah, that was my first like, that was just Michael. Yeah. Or anything like who led the show like the franchise known for being just so smart. I like that one target. Oh, that's actually a good one, too. Yeah. OK, Jason. Okay, so my two guys are gone. Yeah. Two really smart women. I think, Rachel, I was just about to say Rachel Lindsay. OK, great. I like. No offense, but I think Kaitlyn Bristowee now you don't have like, who's smart? I'm looking at Kaitlyn. You know anyone is anyone at all online pick someone that could be standing right in front of you? I don't know. No, I actually have played Family Feud twice, and I'm really good at it. Yeah, yeah. 13. One book that was on your team andI Dorfman. Me, Jade. Oh, Ashley, I. I got my first look at it. It's from the archives a little bit. OK. Ashley Spivey Oh yeah, she reads a lot of books. She's she be great. I feel like people book. I feel like people who read a lot of books are smart. So a family feud isn't about smart, it's about literally knowing the math. It's getting your garden answers kindergartens. It's about how fast you can answer ants. Well, you know, I'm sick and I did must be a millionaire and I did. Pretty good. You did. She's still not going to pick you up for this job that she did. I tried to sell it so hard. You need someone that has like a podcast that like entrepreneur who's been on. Who wants to be a millionaire? OK, I'll first say I don't have a college degree. Me, either. I was going to ask. I don't either, either. I don't. I lied on my application and said, I did. Really? Yeah, we only bachelor application. I think so. Why did they don't give a s**t about that? I don't. I don't. I was just really up selling myself as a contestant, so I don't know. Then there was me. I was like the honest Canadian. I was answering everything. So honestly, they're like, Have you ever had feelings for another woman? And I was like, It's still down. Yeah, they love that. Yeah. And the therapist at the time, I think they fired her because she's like, so legit. But she was like, Oh, I'll. Oh, do you like protected? Oh, something that's true, I mean, we won't go there, but yeah, there aren't certain things you have to keep close to your heart. Yeah. First of all, oh, because they don't want to risk you just want to be taken advantage of or like. Yeah, no. But producers wouldn't want that because they don't want Kaitlyn wouldn't want that. But the therapist was trying to protect. Imagine bringing this lover to crash a date like great television. Like not great for my mental health. Yeah. Oh yeah. Bringing with your lesbian lover. Yeah. Oh yeah. What advice would you give to people that are listening right now on how to get into their happy bubble place where you're at right now? What kind of things did you do to take care of yourself? So whatever is causing you pain, if whether that's following something like strangers or friends, family, you have to be OK, blocking it, deleting it, blocking it, remove it. Like I know that sounds so obvious, but like if you're having like issues with how you feel about your body and then you're following all these accounts that are making you feel that way, why are you following know so that you go on a muting spree? Block spread? I delete it. I block. I've muted. I think there was a time where I unfollowed a lot of bachelor accounts and then the ones that I do enjoy, I like them, like a I'm unfollowing you, but don't take it personally. Actually, Michel, just that. That, yeah, that was shared recently. Yeah. So it's really unfortunate. But there's a lot of, I think and total recovery after being on the show that you really had to remove yourself from just bachelor content, you know. And then I think the biggest thing that I've accepted, especially being introduced like so many strangers, is if someone doesn't like me, I cannot take it personally because there's a pretty solid chance. If you don't like me, I bet I probably wouldn't have liked you either. So it's actually a mutual benefit to just cut the connection of whatever that is so that your hate. Follow me, please unfollow now and just not to take it personally. Yeah. So now I'm just really embracing me and like what I want to do. I believe in what I want to say, and I'm not trying to like overthink what strangers are saying or the internet. Was it most mostly to do with social media? Your mental health? Oh, social media is huge. Yeah, yeah. Because everything you do, it's like ten people love it and people hate it, and you're so focused on the ten people that hate and not even can be one in one freakin person that could kill your vibe, despite the hundreds of compliments about the same. Yeah, this is hard, but I think I've I've definitely gotten better. Yeah, right. It helps. It numbs the crowd. It makes me less sensitive. It really does help because you're okay. That's true. They're just exposure therapy that actually, yeah, perfectly describes what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah. Thank you to the community for you letting me to shreds. Yeah. Hey, you know what? They wrote me in and shreds do, and I would also like to thank them. Thank you. And you've made me stronger. Yeah, they're they're their own little community. Good for them. That's nice. What is next for you? What's mom? Well, how do I say this? What I would like to do now? Yes, I would love to start my. Yes, I would love to start a. Yes. Well, you had a podcast, didn't you? So before I was ever on the show, I did like Ticktalk stuff. The title was that, yeah, I built this great little, and that's that's really what I'm trying to do. Yeah. Regardless of what direction I can go and there's certain processes in place to like what I can do, I'm ready to find my yeah. I was handed a million people from the show and thank you to the show for that, thanks to the followers that you guys are great. But then they are like, You're not the best at for you're not like dancing or. And suddenly it shifts and it's like these people liked me for a moment of time for the wrong reason. And it was because I was the bachelorette on TV, you know, and I and that was fun. That's great. I'm ready to find my yeah, I'm tired of of being myself and getting the state because they don't believe in my political opinion or whatever it is. And I'm just ready to find my people, and I think the only way I'm going to be able to do that is kind of starting fresh. Yeah, with podcast, I just start from zero and just people who want to join that can. And if you don't and don't, I think that's the nice thing about podcasting and YouTubing is that's a lot of time that people would have to spend with you if they didn't like you. So then either way, it's like a win win because you're like, Oh, you just subscribed for an hour to me. Thank you. Yeah. But like the people who want to be in your community, that's where they're going to show up. Like, I can't even describe the community of Vine. I was like, I'm sure your face lit up. It's it. They're incredible. They are. They are that little community is. I feel like my family and little about that to me. It's a big old community. Yeah, one of my little weirdos. And I just. Yeah. And that's what I like. I just want to find my people now and really move on from the last. And you will show, yeah, you will. So what would we see? Well, I don't know. Like it would just be. Had to like literally like me talking, yeah, you know, but in a more like deeper like, here's my opinion, I used to do lives for about an hour and people would stay on them all night and we would just chat. I don't know people just hanging out, and I think that's maybe that's what it is. I think I really enjoy catering to to a community because right now people's mental health is so impacted by what's happening only. And I would just like, I don't want to be some elite person that they view as like my obtainable. I want to be viewed as like their online friend. You are good at that. I tuned into those lights. The idea? Yeah. Well, secret stalkers. She never told me so. Sometimes I do well. I love when people go live and I think I think that's kind of part of it. Like, you just feel so like close, like you're hanging out with them and you're like, Ooh, this like, it's not for us. It's like they didn't try and put on the story where it was like, this practice redone it. You're like, just what you see is what you get. Yeah, I love that. And this ra ra. But it's real reality. I don't know if anyone property for this, but you have a confession for us before we go. Going on a date when I leave, here you are. Yeah, with you and how are you finding these guys? Dating apps? Oh, this one was in person. The dating apps. So I am on Raya. Yeah, trash. Really? Sorry, yeah, I was like a sponsor. Anything? Oh no, I can't if they want. But but the one thing I like is that you can't like screenshot like our conversation or the app, whatever works on which you're feeling bad for the man. But he was on. I think Bumble and his profile ended up on Reddit, and I was like, I would die. I do not want people dissecting my profile. I don't want people sharing my secrets. So as a bonus, that Raya but racetrack, OK, so it's just someone I bet for, then that's nice. Where did you meet this person? Trader Joe's. It was actually on one of the nights that I went out by myself. I'll just say that I love that. Yeah, so it's really cool because I went there by myself and looking at lots of girls like, just like Larry, here's my advice. Anyone who's thinking of going out alone on it go out and then you see a group that you want to like. Just be so honest, like, Hey, I came here alone tonight. Do you mind if I sit down with? Do you mind if I sit with you, my top? And more often than not, people are like, Oh yeah, come on over, you know? So I rejected somebody the other day. Well, OK. But he was like a creepy man, don't you think? I said, Absolutely. No, no, you can't. Well, it's a group. It's creepy, dude. He was a creepy do, though. Well, you know, I said more times than not, yeah, you can't win them all. Yeah, but that's so sweet. And that's the amount. But as I mentioned, no one, take this out of context. I am not trying to be in our relationship. No, I am going on eight. I am not dating. And where are you guys going? L.A. San Diego, I don't want to give too much details in my mind because the internet is so smart, they will start dissect oh, right, right, they'll be like she tagged herself at L'effort de los Steg themselves. You know, whatever it will go down a deep dive, they'll find them. Yeah, they will. I'm not like I said, I'm hard launching on my wedding day. But this guy, he's not even like a public figure of any sort. I'm not answering any questions. I need to see Latino. I cannot disclose. Oh my God. Time name is Miguel Gutierrez. OK, and then we get off this podcast. You can tell me who the guys are that's in your DNA and who you're going on a date with. Oh, there's a one big theme, though, that I don't like about after like, I'm an actor. But I. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, privacy. You got a privacy respect. Yeah. You don't want to Nick Wilde. No. Okay, well, thank you for driving out here and you know my orders. I'm excited for YouTube and podcasts for you. I feel like that will be. You're going to find your little community and you're just going to be there little queen. Well, I don't want to be anyone's queen. I just want to be their dad. Oh, that's so nice. I was like, I want to have like, I want to be. I want to be their leader. I want to be their queen and their leader and their friend and a friend. No, it is. It turns into like a little family. It's quite nice. It's quite nice. But thank you. And where are people going to go to find YouTube? Jeff is already available to subscribe to. What is it? It is YouTube.com slash show. OK? There's nothing there at this time, but the first because then you'll see, Yeah, yeah, well, I'm following my processes and procedures. See what I can and cannot do. Hoping for the best. And that will be extended. Your contracts, which I did not say that I did. But but what I'm saying is, you know, you've got to respect the rules of, you know. Yeah, I do not love life. I do no outlet network. Well, wait and see. But we all get to do this podcast. I know. I'm so glad we did. I'm so glad we did. OK, let's turn this off. So I think, you know I'm Kaitlyn Bristowee. I'll see you so. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Off the Vine. Don't forget to rate review and follow on your favorite podcast platform and will see you next Tuesday. Hey guys, I'm Sam and I'm Taylor. 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