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Comedian Jeff Allen is in Studio Chaffetz, a veteran comedian who started back in Chicago many years ago. Yes. Then kind of lost his way, and I've got a little alcoholism and marriage. We got on the rocks and was born again, and I don't even know if that means technically, but found the Bible found religion. Yeah, I remember when I told my wife I was born again, she was, What does that mean? I go, I don't know. I heard it. I have no clue what that meant. And God himself right then, is now risen from the ashes like the Phoenix? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I don't know about Get Myself Right, but I have. I have risen from the ashes. You know, most people would actually know Jeff because they say his phrase. I've heard his this phrase since I've been married, probably every day. Oh yeah, me too. Here come the judge and now the happy wife. Happy life. Yeah. The funny story about that it was somebody was on Bravo TV was claiming it is theirs. So I hired a trademark lawyer. I had a trademark or copyright. Whatever they trademarked. I think I did. Anyway, I sue and I got a $25000 settlement. My legal fees were 29 grand. I became. That's what this case will be broken three years. So I dropped the trademark. So that's it. We're going to have it. So you you started off your comedy career. You were like a knock around working standup comedy still and still am. We were talking about briefly back off the mike about sometimes fame and comedy is a is a curse, right? And I'm not there, so I have to work hard at what I do, you know, and but had found religion at a certain point, and I am much more. I don't know if I've changed my attitude about religion, but I started off kind of atheist family, never went to church, you know, all that kind of stuff. And I started off like most sort of younger and I saw when I was watching Clip your special last night, atheists, you got coached up on calling yourself an atheist, too, which was an interesting description. And you're right, I thought I shouldn't tag myself as an atheist. Agnostic, maybe, perhaps. But there's always that way. And you know the same thing young people do when they're talking about religion. It's just, you know, it causes all the wars and, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. And it didn't help that I installed closets with these four born again gangbangers who got released from prison and now carried the Bible and asked for traveling mercy before we'd go to Encino and style closets and stuff like, wow, they hit me over the head with it. I was like, I don't want to I. I go to the back of the cube truck. We travel, then make a bed out of furniture parts and go, I'm going to sleep in the back of this cube truck on the floor. Wake me up when we get to Redondo Beach to install this closet, and I didn't want to hear about them. One guy, Frank, spoke in tongues. Oh, wow. Yeah, that guy. Everything. I couldn't listen to classic rock stations because that was like the devil's music secular. I just got totally turned off to it. But as I've grown older and wiser, I've while I have not invited it into my life, I'm like everyone else. There's something called the Ten Commandments. Follow them, everybody, right? The rail, your life will be better. I mean, even without a divine intervention into your soul and heart, if you just listen to don't lie, don't commit adultery, don't. Yeah, you know, those things may come. It's just common Bible's version or the biblical version of diet and exercise. Like, just just do it, you know, don't have kids until you get married. Graduate high school diet and exercise. These are just simple rules in life that lead you toward success or a more peaceful life anyway. Yes. All right. So things to complain about now because of course I'm striving here. I'm driving here from a pretty long distance away, and I had a couple of merge onto this freeway, merge onto that where we were. And I realize there's a few things that people don't do in this town and should be coached up on, like use your g*****n blinker for the Lord's name, but use that. I'm passionate about this. But what I is, people have trouble with merging, you know, like I'm trying to merge onto the 101 from the four or five, and I got my blinker on and the person next to me is not speeding up, but they're not slowing down. They're just kind of shadowing me and they see me kind of moving toward them with my blinker on and I'm like, Are you? I always say, Is there a surprise party? And they're not ready yet. And somebody called you and said to stall like, what? What is the plant look? Slow it down or speed it up? But in general, speed it up when I get on the freeway and I'm heading back after this. There's always one super slow a*s who's trying to get on the freeway. Forty four miles an hour and everyone else is doing sixty seven. And now I have to do a move where I try to get around you. But cars are coming. Speed up, speed up. Don't slow down. And let's get the merge figured out. Well, you've been around it long enough to know that the lack of awareness in the general population shouldn't surprise you. And that's all it is. It's a lack of awareness, the surroundings or whatever they're doing. I mean, obviously, I mean, you would speed up or slow down. I mean, if you paid half attention to PEOP-, people do a thing in general. Fearful people where they think slower is safer, but it's more dangerous. Oh, you meaning if you're in the ocean and the water is up to your waist in a big wave is coming toward you. You have to dive through it, but you can't try to shield yourself or get away from it. You'll get pummeled. But it's counterintuitive to dive toward this thing that is going to try to pummel you. So but it's the same thing with the merging. It's like you must accelerate scared person to get into the flow of traffic. You have to dive headfirst into this traffic, not try to prevent yourself from getting engaged in it. That's why I live out in the country. We got our first traffic light about eight years ago. Oh, really? Yeah. If I have to wait for four cars, I tell my wife it's time to start looking for another place to live. You know, I know you're out. You're out in like Nashville, Nashville, about 30 minutes out. Actually, we're 30 minutes from anywhere. We want to be in Nashville, but in that city, you get far enough out and it's changing because of the color. Foreigners are fleeing here like like it's a plague, you know? And I took a picture of of a California tag at my McDonald's, we just got a McDonald's in and I took a picture of the tag and text it to my wife. Three Yeah. Now there were the McDonald's. Are there were were leaving? Yeah, I mean, big time. Even the governor's going to China has gone there, guy. He is. Look, I would say if you run a state or you run a. An apartment, you you you run a business where you take people's dogs for the weekend who want to go out of town. If if the dogs are leaving and the customer stops showing up, then you're doing something wrong and you can talk about what a great kennel you run. Dog boarding center, whatever you could talk about, having the best and having the freedom to love the two day dogs can engage without judgment or even talk about whatever you want. But if people are taking their dogs and going somewhere else, then that's all you need to know about the way you're running your business. Yeah. So there shouldn't be even any discussions with Gavin Newsom about homelessness or taxes or school systems or anything. It's just people are physically leaving. That's an indicator the producers are leaving. That's the downside. Right? Oh no, the homeless people are. They're coming here, right? Yeah, I guess it's like if you have a bad marriage in your house is just in chaos. Why would you want to be there, right? If I ran this state, I wouldn't be here either. I'd be out telling the world how wonderful it was and how great my life is, and I'll go on to be in China. Good, my hair looks, you know, also in a moment of sort of anger and then and then nostalgia. I was walking through my neighborhood a couple of evenings ago and I was just walking down the street at night and a car car went by and I heard of a kind of weird and familiar sound as the car went by, but I couldn't quite gauge it. And then I like, walk ahead another five feet and I stopped. And I looked down and I saw a broken raw egg, and then I thought, Oh, those guys tried to hit me with an egg. And I thought first that the son of a b***h and then my next thought was, Oh, good. It was a simpler time when kids egg things and p things, you know, back we had pickpockets or pizza coming out the window. Yeah, we don't have pickpockets anymore. They come up behind you and smack you in the head. And then when you're on the ground, they try to pull your wallet out, right? It was a simpler time when kids engaged in these sort of benign things. I know you'd be pissed off if you got hit with a riot, but I really wouldn't. I just think that's what I would have been doing when I was doing when I was 16. Well, that's it. Yeah, I we shot bottle rockets at semis. That was not a good thing. You know what is? Let's try to figure out the totality of what we did when we were young, sure to motorists or people. Well, snowballs. I grew up in Chicago, so snowballs was every winter. Yeah. And then the I remember once we were lob and snowballs over a neighbor's house and trying to hit these metal awnings sitting, you know, because they made a Big Bash sound. And then you hear that broken glass sound and everybody scattered like roaches, you know? And then, of course, my friend lived next door to the guy that got his windows smashed. He caved in about eight seconds. We were all at my house sung like a canary. Yeah, exactly. It was like, Holy cow, man, you know, at least let him threaten you with something real, you know? But anyway, I had to pay two weeks of allowance to pay for or pay for the window. My share of it. There was about eight of us there, so you had to buy a pain. I had about pain. I yeah, I got I got the worst night of my life. I was staying with a friend of mine and we knew a guy who worked at a 7-Eleven, and he just sort of let us do what we want. We could come in there and grab a couple of candy bars or something, you know, friend's older brother worked at the 7-Eleven, you know, but he let us get up on the roof and the and the 7-Eleven is on a busy corner. Two big streets and we made 100 water balloons, put them in a trashcan at night, climbed up to the roof of the 7-Eleven on a Saturday night. It was one of those I'm sleeping over at his house, you know, right? And we were just going to check water balloons at cars. Now the 7-Eleven has a has a parapet roof, so it's got about two or three foot of place. You can hide duck duck under because the roof's flat, but it has the parapet and we, you know, car would stop that. The signal we chuck a few and then, you know, duck down. And that lasted for a while. But eventually we hit a guy in a Honda and it was a big dude and he saw us and he showed up and he he didn't stay on his way. He kept Paul, then got the manager manager, came up through the hatch that they have in there. They have a weird hatch in the back room that gets you up to the roof with like the built in metal ladder. And he's like, You guys got to come down, you know, this guy's pretty pissed off. And it's at that point we should have done the move where we, Starsky and Hutch did over the edge into the dumpster full of cardboard boxes and made our way into the night. But we came down that ladder and that dude was pissed. Yeah, and it was about 11:00 at night. And he just goes. Call the cops now, he said, call your parents right now or I call the cops. And I know cops. OK. All right. So I called my dad and I tell him what happened. He's asleep, you know, is pissed off or whatever. He's got to come down in his VW bug and come, come, get us. Come get me. And then my stupid friend calls his house, you know, landline. And his older stoner brother, like, picks up the phone and he's like, Oh, Kurt, Kurt, get mom and dad. All the sudden you hear the phone just like, drop and the guy I pass back out again. Right? So we keep calling back and it's busy because it's stoner brother. Kurt had too many Schaefer's in the parking lot and I passed out, dropped the phone. So now the guys, like, can't get hold of your parents to my friend. And guys. Yeah, my brother pick up the phone, but it's not any. Well, now I'm calling the cops and I'm like, Wait a minute, I had cops or parent. Now I have a cop and parent like my dad showing up and the cops are showing up. And he called the cops and we waited for the cops and the cop my dad showed up. We had to like, wait for the cops. The guy was telling my dad to beat me like, that was a fun conversation. Like you said, you got you got to beat the s**t out of this kid. It was funny. It was a short guy, but it got a kind of Napoleon complex. I was like, 13, this great exchange. And he goes, You guys. If I was, if you were 18, I beat the s**t out of you. And I said, if I were 18, I think I beat the s**t out of my lawyer. When I was 18, I played varsity football s**t. I would've kicked his little a*s. I don't know why I had the balls that I was doing the math like agile that you understand when I'm 18, I'm not still the same size. I am at 13, right? I got whiskers now. Yeah, but that was a good night. Yeah, we we had a kid break into our house. We were we were off at church and we come home and in my son's room. All the video games are gone. So, you know, it's a kid, right? The stuff that goes to video games. Yeah, it left my wife's jewellery alone. He left, you know, all this stuff. So anyway, we figured out who it was. We go over to his house and at that time, we never locked our doors, ever. And I got him. He had a little scraggly beard. He's like 14, and I got him by his beard in his front yard. You little prick. I got. I going to start locking my doors because you see little pieces. And anyway, I know a month went by. We filed a police report. I did it for him. I filed a police report. Yeah, for him, for him to not do it any more, to explain to his father. I said, This is Tennessee. Everybody's armed. I mean, you could walk into somebody's house on a Sunday afternoon. You don't know you get popped in the living room, right? So anyway, about a month, month and a half went by and my son comes home from school, says Joel's bragging about police didn't do anything right, and he knew they wouldn't. They wouldn't do it. So I called the sheriff's department. I know you got this kid. He's in school and he's laughing at you guys because you don't do anything. I said, Get him out. It's the broken window theory, right? You know? So anyway, I get a call from the D.A. like two weeks later, she says, All right. Well, will it take to go away? This kid is scared to death. I said, Good, he should be. And then he said, Well, what do you want? I said, I want an apology, a little jerk, you know? So anyway, he walks, or he can't even make eye contact. He's one of those kids. He was his parents were 60 when he was born, I think, you know, I mean, they just let him run. But anyway, it was just one of those things. Culturally, you they did. They took the time to make you call your parents, call the police, and they put something in you that says, I never say that again. Well, that's it. Yeah, that's the point, though. This is what I'm saying. They gotta let go. It's just the hump. And the next thing you know, is it robbing a liquor store? And the next thing you know is, you know, our our governor just passed a law that says you can't suspend kids in high school or junior high, like no suspensions, no expulsions, you know, disproportionately affects black and brown, blah blah blah blah, blah blah. That's what they always do. But it's for them, right? That's the point. That's right. Do you think I want to go through this crap? I grabbed him by the face. You're right, you don't jerk, right? You're got to do all this stuff. I mean, you know, just for what? For video games? And by the way, have you seen I mean, the way criminals act in these places that don't have these rules, it's total impunity. I mean, they're walking into stores with bags, casually filling them. They got bolt cutters to cut the chain. You nervous at all. They're just taking whatever they want. They're walking out because this is the message they got from us. Yeah, I did a joke. The other night I walk, I didn't get it. But because they don't live here, but I walked out with a sport coat and I says I went to Nordstrom's to get a coat. Anyway, nice fit. I'm leaving. He goes, Where you go? And I said, Oh, you have to pay for that. I go, I do. Yeah. I said I thought there was a non payment plan. Apparently, that's just a group plan. Yeah, you get like twenty guys. What we do here, I mean, we watch it at home. We just like, look at Tammy, I just go my way. And it's starting to happen in Nashville now. You go to the the mall and the Louis Vuitton store has a security guard, and they only allow three people in at a time to shop. Well, this is the new world order. You can buy cartridges for your razors here without getting a clerk to unlock the cage that they're in on a. On a different note, I was sitting with my son, who's no juvenile delinquent 17. And. We're having dinner the other night, and he loves music, and he likes that good 70s stuff, he likes me, he likes Pink Floyd, he likes to, you know, he likes all of the Rolling Stones. I mean, he likes all the classic stuff and Beyonce, listen to Coltrane and stuff like that. Getting into jazz. I mean, he's he's really trying to be unpopular. He's all, yeah, he's anything to not get laid. Yeah, well, not I'm not going to cut my hair and I'll listen to Coltrane there. That'll work. All right, so fine. But it's like talking to a middle aged guy about music and as he's old soul. And so I always tell him when we're sitting having dinner, I go, get up and hit that thing on the wall there that plays the music and just play like 70s classic rock, 70s rock music or whatever and will. And then you start hearing some Fleetwood Mac and some Rod Stewart and some stuff like that. And the very first song that comes on is the worst song of ever heard my life, and I've never even heard it before. I mean, I first off apologies to Lou Reed and his estate. I've now heard worse music then than the the. It's the greatly missed Lou Reed. Yeah, I and my son was kind of like, I kind of like it as like, I don't know. I don't even know what this is. So I never even heard it. I've know music. I've heard a lot of done radio for a long time. I'm right in there. You can play some. You got torn curtain by television. I had to get up and look it up. I'll also have no idea why it's on the. 70S Channel. They're like an avant garde. By the way, you know, your bad band when you influenced a lot of other bands. That's. I don't hate it. How you may learn to make a picture, I'm sitting there trying to eat some chicken thinking I was going to be listening to Journey and I'm like, First, I'm just sitting there eating and I'm going, What on earth? And then I just don't put on the 70s channel, right? And it's like, Yeah, just put on the 70s, the Spotify 70 channel. Like, no wonder who's getting this mailbox money. It's like you say, guys. Yes. You want me to change it. I go now. Now it's too bad you have to listen. Back. I like I don't know. That may have been during my masculine phase, you know, I don't know who's making the decisions over Spotify, but how does anyone want to hear this song? That's what I'm saying. Now, look, it's interesting that we're on the chart how many views are placed? So how many places is forty four million? Their most famous song, which isn't this one, but you've never heard of that one either. So I'm not just sitting there staring at sunny and sunny skies, and I don't get it. You hate the song, but you don't want me to change it up like this. Now you know exactly where daddy laughs. We are going to ruin our dinner. I've done that with movies that are so bad you can sit and watch them. And it's just it's an hour and a half. You'll never get back, but if you think it can't get any better. And I think that's the mindset. It's just can't get any worse. Conversations with young people all the time they go, you always watched a Partridge family, right? I go, Yeah, you love the part of it? No, I don't like the Partridge family, but that's what all of you watch. Yeah, I know I'm studying it. I'm studying it, you know? Don't you want to watch them enjoyable right now? You hate a lot of things. Yeah, sure did. All right. Well, when my kid was and this is bad, is it not? And usually it's kind of interesting. But then when the guy started singing, Yeah. I hate to be a millionaire, but I find it interesting, yeah, I I don't hate it when you say you find a pile of dog s**t that looks like Abe Lincoln. It is interesting, like it falls under the heading of, well, that's interesting, but it doesn't mean you want to hang with it. And I appreciate it, though, and I would appreciate that dog s**t expensive to have the hat. There are New York, you know, a Velvet Underground. Lou Reed on the scene, you know, very fluent. Oh, that makes Mrs. more skillful. Yeah, it's more skillful than Lou Reed. No. Eighty seven and Rolling Stones, that's how guitar player. These are both better guitars. Oh, that's a bad, so. When I informed Sunny that Lou Reed was on the top 50, he spit out his jacket. Look, if I can spread, you know, people go, What's your greatest accomplishment with your son? You know, what's he done? Well, I've got him to hate soccer and hate Lou Reed. But those are my accomplishments with my son. That's worth bragging about. And I'm sitting there and I'm going. It's just so good and like it does meander. Like, I could see this in a movie soundtrack by background of I would dare any wedding DJ to put this into their mouth so any weddings in the world. This is if one of these guys from the band television was getting married to be pissed off. All right, let's welcome the bride and groom to the reception. The song is seven minutes long. Oh my lord. That's too long. But it's all right. All I'm saying is these guys, parents who are pissed off when they drop this right, right? You're not going to school because of this. My son, I came home and he was in high school listening to the angry rap in his bedroom, and I stopped and listened and I walk in and I said, Look, I'm going to be one of those fathers to tell you what to listen to or not listen to because I'm going to follow you around. But I said, let me say my piece and then we can move on. I said, all art. All art should fit a part of your soul. Hmm. And I said this art was created by people who have felt that their boot of the man has been on their neck, their entire lives. They are hitting back. At the culture, they are pounding back forth fists, and as a white suburban kid that I'm raising, I S. What are you hitting back at? I mean, what part of your soul is being fed by this? I guess video games ripped off? Well, that was, yeah, that's true. Well, that's true. That was true. That's right. I don't wish that to my wife. I said I'd love to be in my son's first therapy session at Nike's. He got me Reebok's, you know? And so anyway, I anyway, I came by. About three days later, he was listening to Aerosmith. And so I stood at the door and I started singing along with Dream On. And he goes, You know, these people know, have you seen Steven Tyler? He's 109. I mean, I said I made out with girls in the backseat of my car to this stuff, so I was glad he chose to turn his Aerosmith and everything else. So he actually heard, I said, and I just wanted to know what your what part of your life was getting fed with this kind of art, you know? And it does. It does have a place, but I just didn't understand it and somebody I was raising at the time. Well, it was. I tell you about an Italian that door yesterday on the show. I can't remember now. I didn't see it. The problem with us, it's not the fact that kids are spoiled and they got Grubhub and they get whatever they want. They use their Apple Pay and whatever. It's not that it's the chasm of how we were raised versus them if I was raised with somebody that had a couple of bucks. And what took us out to dinner, everyone? I mean, well, I was raised by people where I would say to my dad, like, could I have a quarter for that? Do you know how much a quarter is you going? You think you take this quarter to try to run me the poorhouse? But Drew Dr. Drew always used to go. His dad was just cheap to Dr. Turns dad to go, you're going to send us to the poorhouse. And you know, he said that to me that his dad would say, damn, and he'd go, Did your dad ever say to you, you're going to send us to the poorhouse? I'd say, no, we were living in the poorhouse. He knew we were already had arrived. There was no place to go. We were the sole inhabitants of the poor people coming to us, and I'd say to my mom, You mean we could get Broecker? Yes, we can get broke or get a ride to Teddy Lewis's house in Van Nuys four and a half miles away. And she'd go, You know how every time you start, the car costs money. It's not just about gas, it's tyre where it's oil you like, it's like, that's where I come from. Right? And now I have this conversation now. This is a great one with my daughter. She we have a door that's downstairs. First off, your home has levels. I never had any levels in any home and there's no upstairs. That's nothing up there. But there's a roof. There's no I'm heading upstairs, you know, our head and downstairs to the theater, you know? And so she comes to my office and my office. There's a door downstairs by the garage and it has electronic open air on it. You can use you can use an app and like, hit it and bring, you know, like open up, you know? And she, like, comes in and she goes, my butt. You can lock it just by walking up to it and turning it. You know, she comes in, she goes, My phone's on the fritz. The can you lock that downstairs door with your phone app like one of her friends left or something? And I go, I don't know. I don't know how to do that. I don't have the phone app. And she goes, Oh, OK, I'm sitting on the selfish stand in the doorway of my office. She goes, Can you just then just get up and go down there? Get up I go, You are the app. No, your friend will have your I said, You're closer to the door than I am, right? You're eight feet closer to the door. No, go walk over there. Use the legs app. You walk over there. Could you imagine pitching that to your parents? Oh my lord, no. Now it's not their fault. That's that's who they are. That's that's how that's the world they live in, believable, even as they think. That's impressive. It's impressive. The problem is, is that the chasm? Oh my God. The greatest discussion is when she's like, tomorrow morning. This is like a year ago. Like, Tomorrow morning can give you a ride to Becky's house. She's taking me to school. I go where speculative. She's down the street about half mile. Well, let me pick you up and take you to school now, she didn't, because the traffic is so bad going against traffic. She lives three quarters of a mile from here. Yeah. So you want me to get up in the morning, get dressed, drive you to her house and then you'll get in her car and then tell her to take her and a couple of vacations and pay for the food, like tell her to swing it on by now. Actually, it's the traffic, whatever it's like. These are actual conversations while actual conversations being had. Yeah, we live in the country. My nearest neighbor was a quarter mile away. Our grandchildren were a quarter mile away for a while. We used to bring cookies over at night, telling my granddaughter she was six. Tell your parents she got it from a guy in a van. You know, I get a call, you know, five minutes later and said, You give Hamilton a cookie. I don't know how it makes you think, you know, I mean. Wow. Yeah, it was. But anyway, they moved, they moved them as well. But yeah, it's again, I hate to sound like one of those, you know, walking we are. But I did a mile and a half two miles to school. We were too. We were just out inside the bus range. So I remember getting frostbite more than once as a kid in Chicago, yeah, going walking to school for two miles and 12 below 15 below zero wind chills and stuff. But if I had grown up not like an animal with the worst paws parents on the planet, I would. I would be closer to where, you know, when they were complaining about, you know, not going to Hawaii or something. I would then go, Oh yeah, I went to Hawaii when I was a kid, like if I had that experience. But mine, I I yeah, I grew up like Jeremiah Johnson. You got to watch the movie. I grew up like outside in a whole dirt with like twigs over it. Like, that's that's how I grew up. So this is patently insane. Yeah, to me. All right. We also and by the way, I got to give Jeff a plug. Are we there yet? My journey from a messed up. To oh, sorry. My journey from mess that should say, a messed up to meaningful life. You know, a messed up to meaningful life. Sorry, I screwed that I wanted. Are we there yet? If we lived here, we'd be home now. But the publisher, they always get involved. Don't know, it's none of it. It's available wherever you find a finer books. Yeah, on this subject, Michael Irvin, playmaker, weighed in. But I think we'll take a break. We'll come back. 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She would go four inches and stop four inches and stop four inches and stuff that's going to slide it to scoot. What did we have? We had a six storey high solid steel structure. Mix. McSally would hit a temperature of about two hundred eighty five degrees, you lose two layers of skin on the way down another layer when you hit the ground like a flat rock on a pine, come back picking gravel out of your thighs. Yeah, I wanted to shove it down the slide did I wanted to shove her so she know what an exhilarating feeling of sliding? And I felt six iPhones on my back. Go ahead, old man. Dare you? Jeff Allen is on the Adam Carolla show. Jeff's going to hang in with us and we'll do some news. Chris brought this Michael Irving thing, who I know a little bit outspoken man. He grew up in. One of those families was like nine kids dirt poor, blah blah blah. Right? Turned himself into something. But yeah, so he was recently on Skip Bayless show undisputed. He is talking about his son, who was trying to start up a rap career under the name Htut. Tarantino, Todd Tarantino. Yeah. Here's a here's a Michael thing all elaborated more after I got a son, he raps. This is rap name is Darren Tino. If you ever listen to some of his raps, I'm like, Oh my god. Where does this come from, son? You grew up in a gated community your whole life. But he yeah. So yeah, he's so he's see to keep going or it gets cut off mid-sentence, but you could play the rest if you want to hear you're more up in my life because we romanticize and fantasize about that old thug life, ghetto life and all of that stuff when we're. So he's saying when they were, he worked so hard for a son to get away from that, and he's wrapping himself back into that life. Yeah, he's taking offense to it. I like I, but we can hear him keep going, right? That's that's the that's the clip online. So oh, but it played a little more once we did it right? Yeah. But that we just heard all of it. Yeah, OK. But I have the full quote here. Yeah. But you're not allowed to anymore talk about your wealth. That's a that's so bad when you get into that. We've been getting into that a lot on this show. Everyone's round and down. Now there's Britney Spears. She started her book off, saying, you know, her brand new book, by the way, the number one celebrity memoir of all time. I know she started off saying how poor she was, right? Yeah. But so here's the thing about poor, and I've said it many times because I have to deal with a lot of these housewives, especially in Hollywood, because everyone there's two things people wish, and especially Hollywood types. They they they and they do some sort of retrograde historical correction, which is they wish they were poor. And if they're of a certain age, they wish they got more involved with the civil rights movement back that back in the day, you know, back in the day when you hear Joe Biden speak as I was marching in Selma of Selma, Alabama, I I went to the black side of town and worked as a lifeguard for the kids in the pool. I remember when I was going to visit Nelson Mandela in prison and I was arrested right in Durban. Like, I know you wish you did all the same, but my dad was a young kid and he saw two fellas kissing. He said, Son, that's men love each other. Nineteen fifty seven, right? You're the bad part of town. That's what your dad said to Joey. Joey Joey said he believes the most he was the most evolved human being in Scranton in 1957, in between going to Torah classes at the Puerto Rican side. Yeah, that's right. That's right. I know we all wish. I wish I did more to everyone wishes, but it didn't. Right? And you wish you're poor because now it seems like you did all this on your own. And he lifted yourself up by your own bootstraps and stuff. But here's the problem with poor when you're talking to an actual person who grew up poor was me. You don't get to say we grew up poor and then explain that. You spent your first year in college abroad, studying in France. You don't get to explain that you drove a Porsche in high school, but it was only a nine 24 hour, nine 14 and it was years. You don't get to talk about going to astronaut camp in Florida when you're 50. You can't talk about recitals, rehearsals, tutors. You know, we were super poor, but my dance coach and my and my, my music, my cello instructor, when you're poor, you just f**king poor. That's just poor. You don't have any of that. You don't have the tutors, you don't have the classes, you don't have the travel, you don't have the space camp, you don't have the college, you don't have the meals, you don't have you. It's called being poor, right? You have a lot of choices. Well, that was a joke I used to do years ago. People would come out and say, Why do all these poor people having babies? They said, You ever been poor? Not a lot of choices for your free time. You only want to go bowling, but it costs money. You want to go to the arts you're in now and it goes, well, let's touch each other. That's free. Yes, we can. And should we use your condoms while it costs money, right? You know? And you know, nine months later, you got the fruits of your labor. But I actually understood. I mean, we were broke. My son asked me was, you know, are we poor? I know we're broke. Your father is a lousy manager of money, and I make plenty of money for us to, you know, to do things. But we just don't. All our vacations were around my work. Oh, you go do a corporate job to, you know, a cruise, you know, go do a cruise. And you know, I'd say, I'll waive the fee, just bring my whole family, you know, go to Alaska for, you know. But that was it. I mean, we we look even now and you know, and I have the money and I just go, it costs a lot of freaking money. I mean, I mean, I look at the cost of going to see one of my shows in a club, you know, and because that's where we were at years ago, we, you know, I went to see Harry Connick and it was $50 tickets and I thought, Babe, I don't know if we can do that, you know? And then I get there and the the red Baxter, he's he's going through his funk phase, which is a funk. And he played a medley of the songs we played to hear, you know, and I just I walked out and I said, Tammy, you know, if if I ever do a position where people are paying to see what I do and I don't do it, slap me just to get off the stage, smack me. I have a similar story you should know is as much as you may have ire for Harry Connick Jr., I'm guessing. Yes. Yeah. His birthday is nine 11. Oh, and so he can never celebrate. No, he can't, can't get a pinata and crank up the tunes because everyone else is gone nine 11 and he's out there drinking and smoking it up a little. They're going to take selfies. So his birthday is nine 11. I know that I had the same experience, which is the Playboy Jazz Festival was a big deal in the Hollywood Bowl. And Bill Cosby would host and all that. It was really one of those things you just dreamt about going to one day and my dad super poor. But you loved jazz. I always love jazz. And one day when I got older and I got a little celebrity and I, I met a guy who ran the Hollywood Bowl and he came up to me and he just went, Hey, man, and he shows you want to see, you want to do anything. Here's my card. Just give me a buzz. Put your right in a box up front. I'll get your VIP parking any show. And I was like, Oh good, I took my grandma to see like a show and I took my dad. So I said to my dad, Playboy Jazz Festival, How about because that? Yeah, that was a big ticket item. No way Jim Carroll is ever going to for that. But he loves jazz, so I think goes on all day. Well, this show up at 3:00 in the afternoon, we'll hang out for a few hours, watch some crazy jazz and my dad. He likes jazz the way we think of jazz. My dad, my dad, was a jazz musician. Oh, OK, so perfect. Yeah. And the funny story I. He was part of it, was a construction worker, and he would take his horn to work and he would play the black jazz clubs on the south side in the early 60s and then the racial strife hit and some owner of a club came to him that he'd been playing it for a couple of years, he said. I can't protect you anymore, can't keep an eye on you. So anyway, my father goes to work one day and he gets laid off because of the quotas. I remember the quotas. Well, he blames all his black jazz artists. He starts throwing his album so it gets drunk. Wow. So the neighbor scoops them all up. This is this is the summer, right? So they get to winter and Christmas. So they always put the bicycles together at each other's house parties house because his kids were grown. Anyway, they're putting the thing together, and Peggy pulls out these jazz albums and my my dad, I can just see him now just sipping scotch and going, Wow, I used to have that one. All right. I said, I'm about the third album because I didn't know you were such a jazz guy. It was three years you asked why, but yeah, my dad a big, huge jazz. He turned me on to Woody Allen from the Mister Kelly's and the oh, and playing the clarinet. Yeah. Well, not that it was his comedy. The story I know. But Woody does go memory whatever night in New York. And yeah, so anyway, I take my dad basically to his version of Disneyland, to his version of Disneyland, and this is a son who's now successful being able to do something for his dad who doesn't deserve it. But it's a nice gesture. Well, it definitely doesn't deserve it. But you're hot dog. What are you going to go broke or not? So I we sit there in the first band is like world music, you know what I mean? It's got the 70s. It's got everyone who stood behind Paul Simon's, you know, wearing Kofi's and beads and stuff, doing much percussion kind of world music. And my dad's like my dad thinks he's gone there to see, you know, I'm trying to think of like, you know, quartet, you know what I mean, stand up bass, you know, Trump of the mood and, you know, like, like jazz. Keith Jarrett Jazz is is is he? He knows it, you know? And the show they do the world music that's like the first 45 minutes, hours of world music, world music. Then the next act comes up and it's I don't know who these guys are, but it's good looking dudes, good looking white dudes playing like the bass guitar with no neck and no head on it. You know, like the jazz like fusion doing fusion in modern guys got the synthesizer out and my dad's just looking at me the whole time going, where's Dave Brubeck? Yeah, when I hear Dave Brubeck and I'm like, I don't know. I thought it was a jazz festival. I didn't know it was world music and gay guys with slicked back hair playing stance and stuff. There's about an hour that little more world music. At some point my dad just looks at me, Hey guys, can we go leave? And I'm like, Yeah, oh, that's sad. And we're just credit for you now, credit. We just laughed. Oh, that was that. All right. So what do you got there? Max Payne? All right. Well, just a couple of other things about Britney Spears book, so she did say that it starts off with her being poor. In fact, it's it's all about what it's like to feel trapped first by poverty and by fame than by family. But the full extent of her poverty has never fully been told, but there were some periods so dark and desperate that she would go to the fridge and find it bare. Mm hmm. So that's that's kind of what she called that period would be my childhood. Know that that was a two year period. Like, I wish I had one of those well, that got laid off from the mill. So there were some lean times, right? It was. That was the only time. It was just always nothing. Right? You're a scavenger because of it. So I went to everyone's house. Eight So but she doesn't worry about that now. So it's being reported. She's getting 25 percent of the net profits from her book, which is in addition to her twelve and a half million dollar advance. Wow. Already over 400000 copies sold initially reported, but it's going to be north of a million any day now. Wow. Well, I've sold 400. Yeah. Exactly. She doesn't look like that anymore, I'm guessing. No, that's an old. That's an old pick, but very nice pick. All right. So let's let's get into some news here. So Malibu, your neck of the woods. Adams news recently because in ex Star High School baseball player was barreling down PCH at over 100 miles per hour in Malibu last week when he killed four Pepperdine University sorority sisters. So the family that was right by Wurm Ma'am live in walking down the street, also known as Dead Man's Curve, it's where Caitlyn Jenner had the accident. Yeah, well, people are OK. Here's the thing about PCH. It is dangerous, and I'm not. One of these guys that talks about this stuff much because I'm a speeder and I like fast cars and I love all that stuff, but I won't speed on PCH. There's there's usually tons of cops there and people get in accidents all the time and get killed all the time on PCH. And it's sometimes it's windy. It's Damien's crew. I mean, there's no banks like it's it's yeah, it's not my wife and I did the PCH three years ago from L.A. to Seattle. Oh, really? Yeah. Killed 18 people. Twenty five and twenty five. We didn't stick around. We have to figure out it's just, don't you think? Yeah, they said. Young, beautiful girls in the prime of their life. I know so. So he was allegedly being 104 miles per hour in the 45 mile per hour zone. In an interview, he admitted that he may have been texting when he crashed, though his attorney is saying that the guy was texting at a stop sign when another driver started yelling at him. So he accelerated to escape the irate driver, who ultimately caused him to veer off the road. They identified the driver, but investigators were uninterested on who that was. I mean, the new world orders just say you're fear for your life, for everything, all the time to reflect the fact that this year that's your alarm. Go to man. I will say this. I said the other day I said I got an all electric car now, and it's a big, beefy Audi e-tron, whatever. It's all electric and there should be different speed limits for electric cars because it doesn't make any noise. It doesn't have a feeling of anything. You don't hear the gears shifting and stuff like that. You're not looking at attack, you know, revving up and you look down, you're going eighty five miles an hour and you don't on the freeway. You don't know it. You have no idea. And I proved my my point, which is the other day. I was going to meet Drew out for a steak in Pasadena, and I told my nanny, Long story, Olga. I said, Drop me off, just take my car, drop me off and I'm going to have a few drinks, you know, so I'll uber back. And she said, fine. So she just got in the car. She got my leg crushed. Never driven it before. And we're just heading down the freeway, Pasadena to 210, whatever heading out. And at some point, I like I nudge her and I go, you know, ninety one miles an hour, really? And she's like a little Guatemalan lady. She's not, she's not Tom Slick. She's she just didn't. She couldn't feel that she was. She was. She looked down. She was like, Oh, why? Oh, wow, you can't feel it. No, we no electric Tesla. And the same thing. I'll look down on me doing ninety and I'm like, Holy cow ! Right in in the parking lot, I was target. I was made. I made a reference, one that was talking to some guy who I was doing a photoshoot for, for the book and got to talking to the guy, the photographer, and he's also a filmmaker. And I was talking about they got to keep the muscle cars just for movies, right? I mean, the chase scenes. And yeah, and he goes, What's funny? Say that we're doing a short now, and I got two guys that can do Tesla drift. I guess that's what they call it. Yeah, yeah. So it's a drift. Sounds like a game position. Yeah, I don't. I said, I can't imagine what that would look a sound like. I carry, he goes. Well, we're hoping that it changes the way they do. I go, You can't. I mean, you just can't have a car chase. You can't have with no sound to it. Hit him Vin Diesel in a garage talking about his dead dad standing next to a Tesla. No, you can't pull the parachute off and it's a Tesla and then open the door in slow motion and see him come out. It's like the last thing that says America is the muscle car. I mean, that's yeah, that's they've killed everything else. Let's at least let us have that. Yeah, that's all we got, right? We got mass shootings and muscle cars. That's about it. Yeah, that's about all we got. So Halloween is tomorrow as you hear this and there's. First off, let's talk about SAG. So they they posted some guidelines initially for their for their members, don't don't break strike rules, don't dress up as anything that would resemble any of the movies or roles in movies or TV or anything like that. Choose costume inspired by generalized characters. Imagine adults having to have these conversations like you've got to find your union rep. Listen, Bob, I thinking about Fred Flintstone, but I want to know said I never said No, go son. So my wife wants to do. Oh, Betty, I know I thought, you're going to do once Fred's wife anyway, Fred Flintstone. Thumbs up. Thumbs down. Yeah, that is this. OK, I'm fifty two. How old are you? Sixty seven, OK, but we're going to have this weird discussion about how about the Green Hornet? I know it was a movie, it was a TV show, but it's not really popular now. Could I go, is Kato? Oh, wait a minute. Is that some sort of cultural appropriation? There's going to be a long conversation. Yeah, yeah. So they actually said, Just go, is the generals character like a ghost, a zombie, a spider? Yeah, don't do anything specifically, stay home. Yeah, to stay home. That's the new world order. Just don't forget someone's going to get pissed off. Yeah. My line all the time with my wife. If I'll ask you a question if it starts to get convoluted like that, I just go, This is turning into a project. I'm out right now. I just wanted a yes or no. Right? And yeah, can I dress up as? Right. So you have to have an adult so they don't you couldn't dress up as Spider-Man. Correct. That would be an issue. So, but and also an issue. There's a school district in New Jersey that canceled the official school wide Halloween celebration. I love this story, citing my friend. So they canceled these celebrations, citing its diversity, equity and inclusion values and the purported potential for the festival to be offensive to people from various cultural and religious backgrounds. Right by the black guy who's the diversity expert. Right? And would you go as a kid? Because I we never had the money for costume. I would take a cork cork and I would black in blackface. Yeah, kind of. Like, Well, I was like a hobo. Yo, I did the cork. I went an Al Jolson. I went to see Mr. T with Cork. Yeah, yeah, OK, I'll do that. It was pretty straightforward. My sister won as a playing card once, which is just a big piece of cardboard painted a playing card on it. It was pretty straightforward for a number of years when I played for the East. That's me as Mr. T.. Back in the day, she never had Cork face, cork face. When when you can get rid of the. This directly, my sister was a cheerleader for the East Valley Trojans, and I was a football player for the East Valley Trojans, and so for a number of years, we just switch it up outfits, right? Oh, that was didn't cost anything. The rule is it couldn't cost anything, right? Well, that's the point. You know, it couldn't cost anything. A cork you just hit. Yeah, it just stole and went like, you couldn't spend money on stuff. Yeah. Four or five. I was invited to a Halloween outing last minute with some friends from work, and so I go into target to find a costume and they were totally out, just bare shelves. But the dog section still falls. Oh, I got a dogs bumblebee costume and I put I bought that and I wore it. You couldn't tell what I was from the front because there's just two straps going across my chest, my belly. But from the back, full bumblebee. I, my son, is exactly who I am. He doesn't care. This doesn't care like I. My last costume Halloween costume was a Zamka chicken employee. I had a Thank-You chicken T-shirt and I just said, That's my costume. It's much effort. I put it right. I was on a slow pitch softball team and we all got danku shirts as our uniform. Yes, they make a great chicken. So what just say it took more than 30 seconds to think and put on. It was that was I was my son. My son comes walking into my office the other day, a few nights ago, and he goes, He's just wearing pants and a shirt, you know, T-shirt, shorts and a t shirt. And he's like, Do you have a shirt with checkers or something on it? I said, I don't know. Maybe because you got a baseball hat. I'm like, Yeah, for what? He goes, I go to a costume party and I'm going to be like a truck driver. I'm like, You can't just put put a baseball hat on that doesn't make you a truck driver. It's like anything I get. Yeah, I got a wig on now makes you a woman. So light it right or grow beard and you're your woman, like. So his whole thing is, I have to alter my normal luck in some way, shape or form. And then I'll take this party and I will claim that this is what I am. You know what I mean? I guess you could be a Trader Joe's employee with the hat because they might wear hats, right? Right? Or a serial killer? Yeah. I mean, you could really get into the hat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you could just claim it doesn't delineate a lot. It doesn't know it's anything. Well, speaking of SAG and actors, though, what are your thoughts on all of them? Hold on. f**k this douche. That's that's the whole thing. This guy saw a picture in his makes two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year and diversity equity. By the way, these people, yes. And and. And someone who wants to cancel every party like first, the diversity guy or all of the problems prior. I mean, it was a really a reason to hire these guys. Now there's much more problems because they're they're sniffing it out, creating like, Listen. Well, it's funny. I got a friend of mine. It warms up for these television shows here, and he's been called on the carpet two or three, and he's been doing it 25 years. And in the last year or so, he's been calling the carpet three or four times for stuff that he's been doing for a long time. Right? So anyway, I got called out on a corporate show for making fun of people to judge, and they they weren't. They were upset that I made fun of poop. Well, this was a show I said, so we make fun of to judge. But I called my buddy, are you believe that he goes, Jeff? He goes, I could go through your show and find things that would get you bumped off. If you're looking at, yeah, yeah, he said. If you were out here, you have no idea. Nashville is not L.A. and I said, really, I mean, just I couldn't get over the fact that it was just a crack. You know about him. I mean, it was like, are you kidding me? I mean, I'm so aware in corporate settings. Of course, that, you know, I just kind of confine it to, you know, nothing opinionated. You know, those are for my club shows and theater shows. So anyway, when I did the crack about booted judge, you know, the lady writes a form and I, my manager says he goes, My God, talk about softballs, right? You know, he said, What more can you know? What more can you do? And I did say, I do a thing on. I say I play well, golf. I said, That's where you hit your tee shirt, pick the ball up and place it where you feel it should be. Yeah. So anyway, I get called out and they're at a corporate wow. Have you got a little political, a little closer? And that was it. I thought I told my wife. I said if they didn't pay. So, you know, I said to give you an idea of a w***e like nature of me. Yeah, you're talking to the wrong audience. The last corporate gig I did was for the Asphalt Convention. All right. And that's a rowdy crowd. Yeah, I first got up there. I could imagine everything I said, you know, ball caps, all truck drivers. I walked out, I said, I've been waiting to tell this joke for 35 years. I've never said it on stage, but I thought of it on a construction site when I was 20. Yeah, I said, if I ran one of your companies, I'd say, you know, you got to use Acme Asphalt, and if you don't, it'll be your a*s and not our fault. Which I thought of on a construction site when I was 20, but I'm never going to do it. I was like, I've been sitting on this joke. Thirty seven years, right? Understand. Thirty seven years I've been sitting on this joke and it killed, right? Oh, they love it. And then, you know, I mean, it was it was I was like a Trump rally. That was nuts. I could hear guns being loaded. They laughed at every damn thing I said, as horrible as I said, You're going to the wrong crowd. Yeah, right? You got to get with the asphalt. Yeah, those people get your get your drift. Yeah, big fundraisers, you know? And that's what they are. So this a*s and it is his fault once that shut down Halloween. And it's a perfect metaphor for what these guys are you? You say? I'm here to solve a problem and you quickly go to work on anybody who disagrees with you or wants to celebrate. Or once they have a little fun or frivolity, you immediately set your sights. And the thing is is, you don't want to fix problems. You want to get rid of everything that existed before your fat a*s showed up. How do you think canceling all schoolwide Halloween celebrations like? That's the only think the little good part about being in the sixth grade, right? And who is preventing Halloween? Do this thing all the time. Well, there's a lot of poor kids. Yeah, I bet their mom has five tattoos. Tell him to take some of that tattoo money and put it toward a Snoopy outfit for the kid. Or how about you get out some foil and some and some cardboard and a Sharpie and you just make them an outfit? I think who? Who are they talking about? They get it disenfranchised. Get kids like who who can't afford in a world of Amazon and Target doesn't. No one has $11. I could go to any of these so-called poor people's houses and see a bunch of big ticket items that they've got no business owning that they bought. Yeah, you go to any thrift store, you get scrubs for like a dollar. Right? Yeah, I know. Well, the consequences. I think we've raised two generations now that the most humorless generations that America has ever produced, and now they're in these positions. Of diversity and whatnot. Yes, it's academics. But what they don't say is we hate all of you. We hate white people and we want it to all go away. They say, I'm here to help this group and I'm here to protect that. This doesn't happen, but that's not what they do because they keep veering way out of their lane. Like, Hate b***h, you're here for diversity, not Halloween, right? And you're getting paid a whole bunch of money. And now you found it. All right. Where's Tim Poole? Is he here? Is he not here? Is there a thing that anyone wants to mention on the screen or anything? Or are we just going to think they're chicken? Kind of. Keep going. All right. Well, all right. What do you think about all the celebrities who signed the no hostages left behind letter? They're all douchebags, the celebrities that say the things that are patently obvious. You know, I got no child should go to bed hungry and everyone should have a seat at the table and everyone deserves health care, right? All right, sir. Okay. Well, we'll suspicious. All right. They're all douchebags, right? All of them, because you say things that everyone once makes you a douche bag. I don't like it. I don't. I don't. Even, you know, if some you know Richard Roundtree shaft, you know, died the other day, I didn't take to Twitter and go, Hey, he's going to be bad. I don't know Richard Roundtree. I wish he was still alive. But but he's not. But I don't need you to know my feelings about Richard Roundtree now. Norm MacDonald dies. He was a friend, you know, so I'll say Norm was a friend and a funny guy. We'll miss him, you know? But I don't feel the need to weigh in on the obvious all the time, which, by the way, always makes you sound like the good one in the in the crew too, right? And it's of course, it's like, I don't really want to take a side. So I'll just say we just don't want hostages, because even people say, if you call for a cease fire, that could be right. Take this and sign something or get my publicist to sign something that says work and start taking. All right. And that's the phone call where they call people and go, What do I think on this? Yeah, yeah. I'm against gonorrhea. Is there something I can sign a f**king idiot if I just shut up? By the way, you think Hamas is taking its marching orders from Mark Ruffalo because Hamas is on the phone with Mark? Hey, Hulk, how's it going? Good. Hey, how many hostages per tunnel would you say? I mean, just of thumb, just kind of kicking tires here. Don't care that that Joaquin Phoenix played Johnny Cash. They will f**king kill him. Right? That's right. They do not care. Hamas would not tell me that funny is funny, though, is the the gay community that, oh, they're Hamas. That's that. It's like, Yeah, you should go over there and be a one way ticket. You would need a round trip, right? And, you know, just hold your hand as you walk down the streets of Gaza. Yeah, see how that works. All right, the book. Are we there yet? My journey from a messed-up to a meaningful life. And that is Jeff Allen. And the book is available. And I will say that if he can get through the first six chapters without killing yourself, it's actually an uplifting tale. I watched the video last night. It's very inspiring. Tim Poole, it's going to be in and we'll do that right after this. 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He's got a new podcast, the Culture War podcast with Tim Poole, and you can get it on YouTube wherever you listen to find our podcast could see it, Tim. Thanks for having me. You're an interesting character in that. I hear about you a lot, and I talk to guys like Dr. Drew. Come out and do your show and lots of interesting guests. But I don't exactly know how to describe you or define you. So maybe we could talk about that sort of set the table at that and we'll get on to some subjects. Yeah, sounds good. What you want to know? Well, I know you kind of rose to prominence during the Occupy Wall Street era. And what were you doing before that? Mixed bag, principally, careerwise, nonprofit fundraising. What I would consider turning, turning, trying to turn activism into a career and had a rude awakening with that I had spent, you know, growing up, a lot of my friends are into computers, computer hacking and things like that. So I was typically active with punk rock skateboarding, computer nerd types. Pretty, I don't know, stick it to the man type individuals. And so when I got involved, obviously through, I guess, through the punk rock stuff gets me into more into politics as a teenager, which then leads me to trying to figure out how to make a career out of being active and working for change with without getting into politics. I despise politicians and politics. Did fundraising for some nonprofits found them to be deceitful and decided to work for other? I'll try to be vague. Due to litigation and you can see where this is going. But then I worked for some nonprofits that focused more on humanitarian efforts and realized that it's all one big game, I guess. And I was rather disheartened with that after my stint working as a nonprofit director focusing on fundraising. I found myself at Occupy Wall Street and with my background in technology started. I guess for me, it was rather accidental, but working with technologies that were shocking to the average person, which allowed us to get information out of many different areas in ways that had not been done before. So notably with Occupy, it was live streaming and live streaming aerial drones. And this is, you know, 12 years ago when these were first coming out. So that was that was a big moment for me. And then the rest is, I don't know, more typical career stuff. And where are you with what's going on today? Look, I that's a very broad question, but I mean, I've had a lot of trouble with traditional media outlets these days, especially through COVID. I just don't feel like we're getting the story and they're not getting it right, and I don't think they're trying to get it right. But I don't know what your opinion is of that. You would be correct. And it depends on who you ask. I guess there's a whole slew of individuals who believe it's much more conspiratorial. They'd say things like, I think it was but a mockingbird when we had those hearings all that long ago, long before I was born, where we found that intelligence agencies had infiltrated news organizations and were seeding stories for it, for propagandistic efforts. And so there's a lot of people who believe that much of the media is manipulated by U.S. intelligence agencies, and they would say things like the Hunter Biden laptop story. You know, how many 70 officials come out and claim it's fake? And now we know actually it was his laptop and that had a major impact on the election. But outside of that, my experience going from, you know, sort of outside the system and then to a certain degree, inside this system, I, you know, after I after Occupy Wall Street, I had this independent streak for about a year and a half where I was traveling around covering conflicts and crisis. I say that because it's like lower level hurricanes in the United States, flooding, but typically big protest movement things I would get on the ground. I'd live stream. And then after a little while, I had the opportunity to work for Vice, which is now, I guess, bankrupt. But at the time, very promising, and I was the first person I was the founding member of Vice News. And you know, back then we were we were trying to bring in a new, a new and cheaper way of getting the story out of different areas. We were able to live stream from Ukraine at the start of the conflict back in 2014, using just a mobile phone. And what I ended up discovering not so much with Vice, but it seemed like it was going in that direction. Was that in an effort to chase after clicks and revenue, there's a lot of shady practices going on. I found myself joining a company called Fusion, which was ABC Univision's joint venture. And that was where it became explicit. I mean, you know, probably at the end of 2014 into 2015, you know, this company started out with some promise and they said, Yes, we want to make news appealing to younger people. We want to be nice vice. That's why they hired me. And then it turned into we just want to say whatever we think it is will generate traffic and won't offend our audience. And, you know, it resulted in me actually asking the president of the company, Does that mean if there is a factual news story, but the facts would offend our audience? We don't report it. And he told me, I think that's fair. Yes. And I'm like, OK. I tried to break my contract. They said, no, they put me in golden handcuffs. Eventually contract breaks, I leave. And you know, the rest is history. The company is bankrupt. Failed. Similar things happened to Vice and for for a variety of reasons. You see these companies, they've they've they've not gone down a path of building a customer base in order to survive. They've gone on a path of trying to get as many clicks as possible in this this maximum viewership ad model system, which seems to be in decay. You know, and I'd warned these companies, the subscriber models, probably the better model. You want to create a product, a good product, a quality product. You want to sell that product to to individuals who would like to buy that product and the path forward is likely going to be convincing people, you're worth supporting you. So, so BuzzFeed made that move, I think, last year or the year before where they started saying, OK, maybe we should bring in subscribers. But the big issue is it's particularly complicated into how these media organizations and many of them end up putting out the most absurd and fake stories that are blindly are just just completely obvious to the average person. And it's because of pure desperation, monetization, increasing competition and just one final thought on this. An example of this would be Politico.com reported January of 2017. I believe that Ukraine interfered in the U.S. election to assist Hillary Clinton. And then a couple of years later, Politico EU reported that the claim that Ukraine interfered in the election was actually Russian disinformation. So you have politico in two different regions reporting contradictory stories, or at the very least, calling itself Russian propaganda without having actually retracted its initial story. Not any regular person who looked at that going to say, How could you report both of these things? And it doesn't matter. They made money. Either way, they put out a fake news story. I say there isn't anyone in the media. They'll write a headline, say, you know, Adam Carolla kicked a dog. And that's not true. It doesn't matter. It's a million clicks the next day when you send your cease and desist, they'll put out a retraction that says, Adam Carolla did not kick dog. We're very sorry we got that one wrong. But guess what? The retraction gets a million hits to both sell ads. Both make money, and this is one of the big problems we have with me is that. What was your take on COVID in the media? Well, I suppose in what capacity, I mean, there's a lot there, right? You know, I I'm not as sophisticated as you and I haven't had your your background and your experience. I just my general thought is that organizations sort of take on personalities and and and and politics. You know what I mean? And so they become like, Look, if you are a Trump supporter and you think you're going to get a job in the writers room on Stephen Colbert's late night show, it's just not going to work out for you. And and so what happens is it's it's a self-selecting group. It starts weeding out the people and or people. You know, I would if you ever go to any set in Hollywood, there'll be two or three Mariano's. Those were people in Spain, I think, who were pretending not to be Jewish or something, but who were Jewish or something. You'll have two or three conservative people come over and like, whisper to me, like, say, on Tucker, you know, keep doing what you're doing and then they'll look over their shoulder because they literally fear for their job. Because that's this is the personality of the L.A. Times and the New York Times for CNN. And there's the world there, and there's a version of it on the on the right to other. The right is more tolerant in general, like if you talk to. And the reason you know it is, is because it's it's diverse. Like when something happens like the war in Ukraine, there's plenty of people on the right supporting it. And then there's a lot of people that say this is a bad idea. There's not a uniform way of thinking vaccines. Half the people on the right were like, Get facts, you idiots. The other half is it's poison. I'm not going to do an experimental thing. But CNN didn't have any diversity. MSNBC had no diversity. It was all. So first things first when when you have a whole bunch of different personalities with different backgrounds and they're all saying the exact same thing. That's a tell. Oh, it's a red flag. It's a red flag, right? Yeah, I think the people who whisper to you keep up the good work, I support you. Those are the worst man, you know, I actually think it's more than that. I think it's more than two or three people. I recently went to We're Out in the eastern panhandle of West Virginia as our main studio, and I went to Reston, Virginia, just outside of D.C. because we're like an hour out. And I had some guy come up to me and my friends. We're eating dinner and he's like, Hey, you're not going to get this a lot out here, but I'm a huge fan. I was like, actually, like four or five people came up to me and fist bump me while I was in this restaurant and he's like Reilly. And I'm like, Yeah, the bartender said he was a huge fan. I think people, there's a there's more of a fear than a reality. Yes, everyone. Everyone fears that everyone else is, you know, part of this intolerant woke cult. And so they keep quiet, play along. And if only they didn't, they'd probably realize, oh, actually, it's only like 10 percent of the people who are actually this intolerant. Maybe we should have just spoken, been speaking up the whole time. Yeah, it's like Scientology. 20 years ago, everyone was scared s**tless of saying anything. But the reality is, is, once people did, they never did anything. And it turned out most people hated Scientology and on this side, but it was effective. Scientology has no power to wield, but you're too young to remember. But I was doing radio when Scientology was at the height of its powers, and if something came up Scientology, it was do not say anything about science tells you they will get you, they will screw you. It would have been like late nineties, mid nineties, late 90s, and I was due back then. OK, well, thanks. Yeah, yeah, you and Dr. Drew, of course. CHICAGO Killing of one love line was on every night. Oh, Q one on one. Yeah, yeah. Oh God. Yeah, you're yeah, you're 15 or something. But that was like twelfth pretty. Yeah. But it appeared to be this menace that, as you say, there are many more people that quietly agree with you. But it's quietly because the small percent is in charge of the culture. And so you think that's where how everyone thinks and that's I guess what happened with COVID? I don't know. Well, I don't know. I don't know. That was tough. I mean, interesting thing happened with COVID in the very beginning in January of 2020. I remember seeing news reports of this mysterious illness, people collapsing in the street. And so I put I put out a video on YouTube use of a slightly different format. So I put out half an hour podcast on YouTube four p.m. And I get flagged by YouTube demonetized, not allowed. And I'm told by a YouTube app that we're deemed monetizing or taking ads off of content that talk about what's going on in Wuhan. And there's no real reason or explanation given. And this is before anyone knew what company was going to be. This is the first initial reports and videos come out. So initially, you have more anti-establishment forces and independent media outlets, conspiracy theorist types all whispering about what's going on with this illness. And then all of a sudden the narrative inverts all of a sudden. Now it's no longer a secret it becomes mainstream. Everyone's talking about it. Masks following a similar trajectory in the very beginning, it was the right that was saying, Everybody get your masks, wear masks. And it was, you know, even Fauci said, you don't need to be wearing a mask. Famously, many public officials were saying, no, no masks aren't going to do anything. But then strangely, at some point it flips all of a sudden the the corporate narrative, the establishment narrative, the government narrative is get your masks, wear masks and people on the right. We're not saying, what's the point? You don't need a mask to mask, don't do anything. And so there really is this weird tribal element of it that I don't quite understand. But I should say I probably have some ideas as to why it's happening. And you see this again with Donald Trump. Donald Trump announces he's going to work on this vaccine and everyone's like, Whoa, Trump is going to save the day. And then you get these Democrat personalities saying, I will never take an experimental Trump vaccine. And then at some point it flips. People like saying, I'm not going to do it and the left saying they're going to do it. So the media follows very much these, these these tribal elements. But as you said, it is true. Whatever they describe the media describes as the right, it's seemingly makes no sense, but it just means if you're not the left. Yeah. So the left is basically what I would describe as the social orthodoxy of establishment forces, meaning cultural institutions, TV shows, etc. They all follow the same path, whether or not they actually agree they they just say the same things. And then what is described in media as the right is anybody who is not that right. And so what we understand is really interesting, like you're describing with the COVID stuff, a rude wake up call to these people who thought they would keep their mouths shut was Israel. And you've got a number of prominent actors and actresses and personalities who are now speaking up in defense of of Israel after what Hamas did. And they're finding. That they're being cast out for it. Notably, Tara Strong was fired for a famous voice actress, was fired from a role on a on a show because she was tweeting in support of Israel and criticizing Hamas. They, without even sending her a phone call or an email, just publicly announced she had been terminated from her position. And you know what? I feel bad a little bit. But these are people who blindly cast their lot with with with people who had publicly stated their positions for years. Going back to 2015, Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation founder co-founder Patrisse Cullors had stated her mission to end Israel. And I'm not saying to take a position on Israel-Palestine, but if you're one of these, if you're somebody who is deeply supportive of Israel, but you kept your mouth shut because you were scared to get fired. Well, I'm not surprised. Now you're finding out that everyone you align yourself with is not your ally and is in fact calling for very horrible things. Well, here's a thought experiment. When you're talking about flipping and flopping because I was talking about this with Dr. Drew earlier in the day and he found it interesting. So I'll try it with you and my audience, which is if you've been around long enough, it seems very bizarre to see my mom was a very progressive hippie type, and she would have never supported the FBI and the CIA. She would have never supported going sending munitions to Ukraine. She never would have supported lockdowns, you know, and all the all the stuff that now the left supports. Essentially, she would have traditionally never big government, big pharma. Are you kidding me? There's no way a 70s hippie would be in the Big Big Pharma, but now they are now. Now they're. Here's my theory or my thought experiment, if you would have got hold of me in 1995 and said there was a horrible terrorist attack on Israeli soil, they burned kids, they beheaded grandmothers, I made vicious, brutal not against the army, but against citizens, and it was barbaric and brutal, and they kidnap a bunch of people too, and brought them back to their terrorist tunnels. And so people here on college campuses and in New York City and so on and so forth are putting up pictures of the kidnapped kids. Many children, women, anyone who was kidnapped, they're putting up the pictures to see if somebody can identify them or, you know, has any leads. It's more symbolic, really, than than anything, but they're putting it up. And now this is nineteen ninety five and you're telling me. But there is a group that is in coming in after them and tearing the pictures down of the kidnapped kids. Who is this group? I would have said, Well, it's got to be the Klan. Right? These are Klansmen who hate Jews, and so they're tearing. It's despicable, but they're tearing these pictures down. No, no. It's not the Klan. Then it's a bunch of white Republican type, you know, Ted Nugent type males or something, they're just pissed off at it. Now, now, now it's mostly women. I with a card. The f**k are you talking about women and their progressive, progressive? Yeah, progressive women. You know, Democrats, mostly probably all Democrats and progressive women. And then a lot of college students like dirt tearing down the pictures of the missing kidnapped kids. Yeah, that's who's doing it. It's not the Klan. No, no, no. It's progressive women. Yeah, that's the fascinating thing. I mean, my politics have mostly been relatively static, except for Second Amendment five, six, maybe six, seven years ago, I was more middle of the road. Like, maybe there's some, some reasonable gun control we can try and figure these things out. And then, you know, the past few years, I've based on constitutional arguments. My attitude is more Look, yeah, if you want to do that, the first thing to do is amend the Constitution first and foremost. And that's about it. I mean, when it comes to abortion rights, my parents have mostly been the same when it comes to gay marriage. I stand in the same spot. What is interesting? What is your abortion rights stance? I call it traditional pro-choice. Hey, look, I grew up listening to shows like Love Line on You and On, Right? I'm a little kid. And this is where a lot of my views are forming. And I grew up in Chicago with moderately liberal types. My dad was more conservative, my family Christian, but not super devout or anything like that probably average 90s 2000s kid. And it was, you know, up to a certain point. We don't want the government involved. It's become it becomes very, very complicated. There's questions of constitutional liberties. Roe v. Wade seems to make a lot of sense. The way I typically describe it is in the simplest of forms, up to a certain threshold in which we probably need to agree. A woman can get an abortion of her own volition and privacy without government intrusion, but after a certain point, like probably the viability of the of the baby itself, can the baby survive on its own? Then then there's an entirely different question of of of rights. There's also a question of consent, which is why you often hear the rape and incest. But typically I'm like, Look, if the baby can survive, there's no reason to kill it. Meaning if even if it's very early on and the woman wants to terminate the pregnancy, there's no reason to terminate the baby itself. Right? Let's just if a baby is born to be placed on a post office or fire department steps. And that's like the safe haven programs they do. And so, so so why just terminate the baby? What you end up seeing today? And so, so basically, I wanted that traditional Democrat safe, legal and rare kind of space. But today, I'll give you an example from my show we had on a conservative Catholic individual, very, very pro-life. My friend Seamus was very much in the position of all abortions, all of them, no matter what, should be illegal. And then we had a progressive on who said no abortion for any reason should be illegal. And I'm kind of in the middle on that one, but the progressive calls me pro-life and I'm like, No, no, no, I'm saying a woman, you know, seven or eight weeks, whatever goes to the doctor and there's no government involvement, it's not illegal and it's, you know, pro-choice, right? That's what it always was. And he was like, Yeah, but you're saying at 22 weeks or whatever, she can't do it. And I'm like, Well, if the baby can survive, why kill it, right? No answer. None, none whatsoever. And so now you have the progressives have become pro-abortion where we had one guest on the show. Just say the most confusing thing imaginable that a woman should be able to get an abortion up to the point of birth because it's her body and it's her choice. So then I said, OK, what about meth? Can a pregnant woman do math? And he goes, No, because that intentionally kills the baby. And then we all kind of just like, Whoa, whoa. I'm not sure I follow your morals. Your logic. Yeah. Well, it's that it's that anyone who has any kind of nuanced thought about anything just gets painted as pro this or anti that, like, you know, I I have an elderly, I have elderly parents, and I think they should be vaccinated. I have a young teenage son with no pre-existing conditions. I don't think he should be vaccinated. That doesn't make me an anti-vaxxer. It makes me a realist who can study statistics and try to weigh out risk versus reward and and arrive at a sober decision. There's there's no part of that. That's anti-vax. It's facts. I don't I don't want my kid vaccinated for malaria, either, but that's because there's not a high likelihood of him getting malaria in 2023 in La, Canada, California. But if he was traveling to the Philippines, then maybe I would say you should get this shot. Does that an anti-vax, but that's what they do because their arguments are s**t. That's the problem. Well, I think here's what I think. I had a great argument with Dr. Peter Prigozhin several years ago, and the argument persists today and had this argument with a lot of political commentators about what caused the emergence of what we describe as wokeness. This cult like social orthodoxy, which seems to have a. No, no clear logical pathways. And the argument from many, many people, like Dr. Bogosian, is that it arose in the universities, and I would argue that's technically correct. It did rise in universities, the universities, just by those ideas. However, there are many ideas spread in universities. There are more right wingers, classical liberalism, all over universities. Genealogical morals and utilitarian morals are taught widely in universities. Why assume the universities are the cause of this? So to your point, why are they calling you an anti-vaxxer when you say something nuanced algorithms? It's social media. In the late 2000s with the emergence of Facebook, Twitter and all these other platforms, as more and more people began to adopt them. Facebook, as a great example, started to realize, Hey, you know, Adam's following too many people. He had 300 friends on the platform, but now that we're we're up to 100 million, he's got a thousand and his his news feed is just fly and pass them and he's not clicking anything. Their concern was that you would not stay on the platform if you were not interested. So they began to implement algorithms that would try to capture your attention. That's when your newsfeed turned into what you were more likely to click. The result today, most prominently as if you want someone to see your post. You have to write the first sentence. I had a baby and I got married, and that is always placed on top of people's feed because that is what's most likely to get interaction. But then underneath it, you point, Hey, the parties at my house tonight were going to have beer and pizza. I want to make sure make sure you saw this. I'm not actually getting married. What happens is a great example of of how the media turns. Wacko is a website called Michael Missy. When it originally started, it was pro Ron Paul libertarian. They were posting a lot of police brutality videos, getting a lot of traffic, but then within a few years it became progressive leftist blacklivesmatter. How does that happen when you post a video of police brutality? You get a million hits. Facebook's algorithm and others are the companies started saying, Wow, we got to share these videos more and more and more because it's keeping people on the platform. This resulted in a website that was dedicated to nothing but police brutality videos and during the top 500 global websites, which seemed like that's kind of crazy. This ends up where you end up with a generation of young people who their entire newsfeed, they're 13 years old or on Facebook for the first time, and the only thing they see is police brutality. These people are the ones now calling for abolishing the police. But the reason why they call you an anti-vaxxer when a news, a news company would write a story saying racist, you know, police officer called racist racism as a keyword generates a million views. Then someone writes an article that says Police officer is sexist. This article generates a million views. Someone got smart and realized that when they call the police officer racist and sexist, it's not just x plus y views. It's X times y views. The more views you get in the first 10 minutes, the more the algorithm will share your content. So what ends up happening is why are they saying Adam Krause an anti-vaxxer? It's a key word that will generate more algorithmic marketing. So if they read an article and put Adam Kroll, it takes a nuanced position on vaccine. Get nothing if they put far right racist bigot Adam Carolla, who is friends with Dr. Drew. Dave Chappelle. They want to get as many names in as possible to get as many clicks as possible, and that's why they put all those buzzwords in it. That was a mouthful, so I'll know that's enlightening. And I've got to say I'm naive in many, many ways. I just I I never really thought I never believed any of the conspiracy theories, you know, I was I was just sort of naive. Why would CNN lie? You know what I mean, like or what? That's how I thought, Ah, you know this guy's Fouchier Rochelle Walensky. She's a heads head of the CDC. She's obviously a very serious person who she would never say anything that wasn't true, and it was just I was naive. So the question I'm going to tease you with because we have to take a quick break is I now understand what the government is up to and what MSNBC is up to. My question is what are the people up to? When? When did the people become so pliable? Maybe they're always just pliable. How did we get so many people to go along with so many things that were so clearly untrue and an obviously untrue? And yet they marched like lemmings right off of that cliff. We'll take a quick break. Come right back with Tim Paul right after this. All right. Let me tell you about The Jordan Harbinger Show, a different kind of sponsor for this podcast that is The Jordan Harbinger Show. If you like fascinating podcast and interesting people, then you should definitely check it out. 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Every single time, every time you said there, report piles up. So I just want to tell you, you can leave us a message at eight eight eight six three four one seven four four. Tim Poole is with us. You can. You can check out the new podcast, The Culture War podcast with Tim Poole, and you can also go to his website. Tim Cast Dot Com as well. So I'm very sad that people lost. I live in L.A., so I I see the worst. But, you know, people yelling at people to pull their mask up and the person that's yelling at you to pull your mask up, their mask is down around their balls, you know, and and out alone, hiking, somebody walks by and walks around. It's just the complete insanity, but also just a general lack of curiosity. Like, you know, something you brought up Hunter Biden's laptop, you know what I mean? Well, that's Russian collusion. And like, well, how about you ask a couple of questions like they physically planted the laptop? I mean, there's a bunch of pictures with Hunter Biden on it. A lot of dick pics on there isn't. That is Hunter Biden's dick, isn't it? Like. Well, but then what part did they plant that they get the where they get the dick pick and like couple a couple of bass lines sort of rudimentary questions about these things and in general that we seem to completely be disinterested in. But how have the people get turned inside out this fast? I think they're always turned inside out, right? We just have the internet. So if you go back 30 or 40 years, there's very few people who are allowed to who are. I shouldn't say a lot, but technically but capable of speaking to large audiences. When you know, at the advent of television, you have a handful of networks. And so the narratives are mostly agreed upon, and it's easy for a network to say something that appears fair and balanced because if there's only three networks you want to maximize, you have the lowest common denominator. You don't want to come out and say, Hey, we're conservatives, hey, we're liberals, because you alienate half the country, you lose a lot of money. But with the internet now, anybody can make any specialized channel. I mean, there are YouTube channels. I was just watching one dedicated to nothing but tortoises. And I'm not not turtles. No, they're excluded. Just tortoises. I talking about. And you know, I mean, come on. The idea that 30 years ago, you'd be like, turn on the turtle channel. It's like, Wow, I mean, this discovery where they sometimes talk about it. And so what ends up happening is people can now choose their information silos. And so this results in some good and some bad to the good being. Now we can challenge a lot of these narratives. Now we don't just blindly march behind whatever it is the media has told us or what they believe to be true. And this actually created a problem so big tech companies began to censor people even to this day. YouTube will they will shut you down for having a wrong opinion about vaccination, even if you're a medical doctor, even if you're a doctor involved in clinical trials and all of that stuff, they will they will shut you down for this. If you're a doctor who is prescribing certain medications and showing your practice doesn't matter, you can't say it. Only they're approved. Doctors can. And you know, that's that's an attempt at narrative control. Why that is? Don't ask me. A lot of people think it's a conspiracy or whatever. I think it's particularly it's very strange that YouTube takes a medical stance above medical doctors, but they do. But I do think when it comes to people who are captured in March March in lockstep with like, everybody must wear a mask no matter what. I'll tell you, I was in Frederick, Maryland, because it's pretty close to us. Went to a sushi restaurant in downtown Frederick. Very small place. Most of these places are more like boutique restaurants. It's an old old town with small buildings, and I walk in with my girlfriend. We are standing five feet away from a table and we walk in and they say, you have to put a mask on. No one in the building is wearing a mask because they're all sitting down, eating. And I say, I'll just sit down. I don't want to waste a mask and they go, No, put the mask on, and I'm like, I'm going to sit down right now. And I said, no, and I said, Are you serious? All the staff go, Yes, we're leaving. This is weird. How does something like that happen? I mean, we've been given these lessons throughout history. You look at all of these countries of ideological Captur. You look at the struggle sessions in Mao's China, where all the young people are screaming and pointing at the guy in the dunce cap. There there is this dangerous mob mentality that overtakes humans for a variety of reasons. Some because people are scared that if they're part of the outgroup, they. Will be victimised and killed and, you know, could be or lose their job in today's circumstances and others because they enjoy it, they enjoy wielding the power and now finally, they get to bully others. Yeah, agreed I. So what do you think? I don't know. I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up the Kanye West. Milo Yiannopoulos thing. How did that whole thing come together? Simply. I've known Milo for a long time. Not well. Like, I'd seen him at events and ask him questions sometimes. So we knew a lot of similar people. Cassandra, who handles booking here note, has known him for a long time as well. And when word got out that he was working with, yeah, she said, You want me to reach out to Milo and see if they'd want to come on the show, and it was literally that simple. I, Kassandra reached out. Milo said, Yes, we want to bring Nick and year on. Yeah. Agreed. It actually was surprising to me. It was one of the easier bookings we've done. I mean, we have people here where it's like, it's so difficult to get him to come out. One guy is like, I live 3000 miles away. It's like four flights. Oh yeah, came out. But I do think in my personal opinion, it was a publicity stunt because they had a private jet waiting for them at the Frederick Municipal Airport right after they stormed out of the show a half an hour in. And the way he was acting on the show was a 180 from how he was acting before the show. So I think. My personal opinion, which is, you know, I could be wrong, is that the strategy was, you go on Tim cast iron rule, it's our nightly show and it is consistently typically the biggest live show on YouTube every night. We got close to 200000 concurrent viewers at one point and at the peak, which is usually about half an hour, is when you get the highest highest point, which then stabilizes. He storms out of the room, seemingly for no reason. And all of a sudden, he's getting the front page. I mean, you're asking me about it, right? Still a year on. And so people ask me, like, why would you do that? And I said, Look, Kanye West. Yeah, doing an interview on a podcast is not news. You might get some clips storming out of a podcast is front page. It's TMZ. It's it's the biggest story in the world. And here we are. You're on. It's still a story. And I honestly, I get asked about this quite a bit. A lot of fans of the show always want to ask me what happened with, Yeah, and that's I think that was the plan. They left here at eight, 27, 27 minutes into the show and a paparazzo was at the Frederick Municipal Airport, filming them board a private jet. Anybody who's flown private, which is very few people, know you don't just book a private jet like that, right? There's crews have to be put on standby, which is like an eight hour wait period of federal law. It has to be fueled and able to depart, you know, East Coast to West Coast. We track we checked out the plane's tail number and saw that it came from Mercer in New Jersey, landed in Frederick. And so it's possible that he called a buddy who had a flight prepared to fly to L.A. from D.C. or from the East Coast. And he said, Hey, let me let me let me get that plane from you. Because if you if you call to charter a plane, the moment the private jet charter contacts the ground crew, that the flight crew, the pilot, they have to wait eight hours. At least that's what explain it explained. We made several different charter agencies, so it would seem that they had pre-booked a private jet to leave. During or at some point on the show, I don't know what it was about, but I will also add the I was here for several hours. We were hanging out with them and we filmed him for several hours. And his demeanor was very chill and very intelligent and very calm and very direct. The conversation before the cameras turned on as he's touring the studio in the offices, he's asking me, What have I got to do to be president? That's how he said. He says. What do you think I got to do? And then I gave him some, you know, non-answer. I was like, I have no idea. I mean, look, man, we're blah blah blah. And then he goes, I asked you a question, what do I have to do to win the presidency? And then I said, OK, you want to? You want an honest answer about harvesting. He goes about harvesting. What's that? I said, Look, it doesn't matter how many people you convince to believe in you. It matters how many votes you get. Democrats know this. So they they go door to door, they knock on doors, and it's legal in most states. And they they tell people, Fill out your ballot, I'll take it from you when you get universal mail in voting. And then he goes, And this is before we're in the studio, we're walking up the stairs. The studio goes, That's it right there. Ballot harvesting. I got what I needed. He sits down. He writes it down, has a calm conversation with me. He's talking, we're talking about Mike Pence. We're talking about Donald Trump. We're talking about Elon Musk. Of course, he brings up the Jews. And it was all totally chill. And he's like, Yeah, it's interesting. I didn't think it that way. As soon as the camera turns on your man, shall I? You know, we got these people and I was just like, What just happened? Like the thing he claimed to be mad about where he's like, Y'all, if you keep talking like that, I'm going to get me a PJ and fly out of here. But I don't know. That means private jet. I was like, But we you already asked me this question before the show started. You weren't mad about it. Now he's acting like he's mad and he storms out. And I'm like, Is this for real? And I'm like a publicity stunt. Then I saw course a couple of hours later, the clip of camera guy filming him board the private jet. And I'm like, I think he's a genius. I think no one is better at PR. No one is better at getting attention or being famous than he is. And the idea that he had a private jet waiting a paparazzi waiting with a camera to film him, do it, storming out attitude and everything. I'm like, he knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was going to make it. He was going to make himself the biggest story in the world. Once again, he knew how to do it. He did. And like I said, a year on, here we are. Still, it's a story. Yeah. Well, he's certainly clever. I'm trying to think, I mean, smart, clever, creative possibly suffers from a few things as well. But I don't know. I mean, you hang out hanging out with him off the show. It was. It's people see this public persona version of him and they think he must be suffering from something and talk to him in private. And you're like, OK, this guy's a genius. He's not talking. He's not talking like that. When the cameras are off, he's talking like this. And I was I was with we filmed a lot of it. I mean, it's it's it's remarkable. And then the camera turns on and his demeanor turns into this, yeah, character. I think it's it's part of the being making his name bigger whenever he feels like it. And an interesting that ended up happening as one of our staff writers, Shane Cashman. Huge fan tracked. His career has written about him quite a bit. As he's leaving, Shane goes up to him and talks to him and says, Hey, look, man, I believe in you. I know what you're doing. Talk to him. Yeah, said, hop on a plane with me. Fly to L.A., I want you to write it. And so, you know, Milo is like, Whoa. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Next day, Shane is on a plane. Yeah, yeah. His invitation to interview him and what Shane mentioned is that if you track his career, he does this. It's it's a pattern of behavior where he says something shocking gets everybody to hate him and then waits a period and then drops something big and comes back into the limelight with a resurgence. And there's numerous examples of how he does this. And so that's basically what he was saying to. And he was like, OK, I come out to L.A. and I'll let you interview me. I think that, you know, a lot of people who are like, why would he say these deeply anti-Semitic things and whatever? And it's like, I think he. I don't I don't know if he cares about your feelings. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I think he's he's looking at this more like, you know, neo in The Matrix when he sees all the code and he doesn't think of it the same way you do. You might not like that, but he's he's got something going on where he knows how to get that attention. Yeah. Well, we're just processing him through our brain and our brain thinks who would jump up on stage and grab her Grammy from Taylor Swift or whatever? Who would say that about the Jews into a microphone, you know? Whoo hoo hoo. But. You also can't create what he creates, you don't have the same brain that he has. So maybe there is some there's a little crazy like a fox, but there's also maybe he's operating on some level that seems super counterintuitive to you. But we're talking about him and he's a he's a millionaire 10 times over. So he was a billionaire. I was there. I would say most people project their world views on to everyone else. Yes. So their their moral framework of what they see is right and wrong. They assume everyone else must agree with them. But that's just not true. And whatever world he lives in, I don't think he's crazy at all. I think I think he's a very calculating individual. I think he plans this, but he doesn't. I don't think he takes offense the same way other people do credit. He had his Adidas came out and said he's not anti-Semitic. And you said Jonah Hill made him realize that he likes Jews now or. Yes, I'm like that. And a while, OK? You know, he he he did his thing. He kept his name there. He doesn't want to be a has been, I suppose. I don't think I'll ever be so. On a more current politics, what do you what do you think's going on right now, Trump, Joe Biden predictions? I got Gavin Newsom in China. Yeah, I think Biden's out. Yeah, I I don't know. Let me let me just put it this way. Based on what is happening today, if this is the track that continues, Joe Biden is not the nominee. Kamala Harris is not the nominee. It will be Gavin Newsom, and maybe not even Trump could theoretically even be Trump and DeSantis. We don't know for sure, however, if as of today, everything stays where it is or if the election were to be held today, Donald Trump is president. I don't know what else, but you know, there's so many variables that could happen in between. It's really interesting to see what's going on with Trump's fraud case in New York City. The scarier thing to me is. I'm not sure that this country will survive as, say, someone like you has remembered it or experienced it most of your life. I'm younger. And so of course, as a millennial, I have a certain view and a normalcy bias and optimism bias. But I think the younger, younger generation Gen Z in particular probably more likely to see this country being ripped apart by extremist forces on both sides. And what I see is I see an untenable situation. The they're arresting the president's lawyers. They're criminally charging the president's lawyers. These charges, clearly by anybody who's actually tracked them, make no sense. You've got what's going on with the Jan. six defendants is is absolutely insanity. People who to this day have been in solitary to to varying degrees for two and a half years without being yet given a trial. And you look at the extreme nature of the what's going on with the current frontrunner for the presidency of this country. It doesn't matter if you like or hate Trump, by all means you're allowed to hate him. But the idea that he's been, I think, what is our 91 indictments? He's got the fraud case. He's got, I think, two different federal cases the documents and January six. This is unprecedented. And Mike, the question that I often ask people is, as you pointed out, you said you like that thought experiment, go back to 1995 and say, you know, if you thought this happened, what would you say? I like to do what I call the time travel test. If you went back to 2018 and told your friends and family in a few years time after, let's say you go back to 2015, you say, Hey man, in in in eight years President Donald Trump will or, you know, in five years, President Donald Trump will contest the results of his re-election campaign, which will result in a thousand people storming into the Capitol. There will be people on May two on twenty twenty in May, firebombing the White House and firebombing St John's Church. There will be thousands of people arrested, the largest protesting in 50 years. There will be law. Trump's lawyers will be arrested. Numerous individuals will be accused of seditious conspiracy to overthrow the United States. I mean, no one's going to believe you. They're going to be alive. You're absolutely insane first. President Donald Trump never going to happen. They laughed at Ann Coulter when she said it. So my question to people now is, if come 2024, let's assume that Donald Trump, these these trials against them, they possessed. I don't see them concluding before the election happens. If Trump wins. Do the Democrats just say, Well, you know, good game, everybody. We're looking forward to Trump 2.0. If Trump doesn't win and it's say, Newsome or whoever else Carmelo or Biden. Do you think Trump supporters will say, Well, you know, we tried our best, and that's it. I can't see that being a possibility. I think that's that's that's an absurdity. If you look at 2016, as soon as Trump gets elected, you've got all of these Democrat politicians claiming that Donald Trump is a secret Russian agent or that Russia colluded to put him into power. Jonathan Chait on MSNBC argued Trump may have been a Soviet agent going back to the 80s. I mean, that is an unhinged conspiracy theory. And then you get 2020 when Donald Trump loses. And of course, I mean, maintain the position that the Russia narrative, OK, well, we need some proof on this one. And then when Trump lies, I know Trump lost this one. I don't believe these weird conspiracies about dominion and spy satellites or whatever, but it doesn't matter to very hyper polarized parent factions in this country are not willing to accept rule by the other faction. So I don't see how in 2024 we get a period of calm. I don't see how with them trying to put Donald Trump in prison, you get Trump's solid, you know what, 46 percent support base. Ever accepting a former president being jailed? And I'll tell you, the biggest challenge is when I was at a family dinner and I was having a passive conversation with a with a gentleman who was more more red, I suppose. And I mentioned China getting access to our DNA for COVID tests to what caused a family member in law to say, That's crazy, you can't say these things is a conspiracy. It's unhinged, yada yada. And then I picked up my phone pull up the NPR article, which said this and showed it to them and said, it's NPR. The challenge I see is when I go to the average person who is voting in Democrat politicians without thinking about it, and I ask them something like, Do you know what Burisma is? Do you know who Viktor Shokin is? Do you know Poroshenko? And they're like, No, I don't know any of this stuff. I'm like, OK, this is this is this is a challenge for us. If you want to complain about corruption in the Trump family, you got it. I'd love to hear it. Donald Trump was trying to have the G7 at Trump Doral in Florida. He. Is trying to get governments to basically pay his resort to hold this, he claimed. What? It's going to save money. No, no, I don't want to hear it. OK, don't do that. The State Department was advertising Trump Resorts again. No, I don't want to hear it. You've got arguments about Ivanka getting patents in China. We can complain about all these things. But then when it comes to the Hunter Biden laptop, 10 percent for the big guy, Tony Bobulinski saying they were selling Joe Biden. Now we've got a report from the from the GOP that Joe Biden directly received a check for $200000 from his brother. And then you've got the reports of Viktor Shokin. The prosecutor was fired, and I could run through that whole thing for you, breaking down how what Joe Biden did. Warren's at bare minimum impeachment criminal investigation. And I would say preponderance of evidence suggests criminal charges. You want to have a trial to figure out the rest? Yes. But Joe Biden is on camera saying that he's going to withhold guaranteed loans to Ukraine unless a prosecutor is fired who just so happens to be investigating a company where a son is on the board. We know this from the Hunter Biden laptop. Burisma. Yeah, Burisma. Hunter Hunter Biden's partner Devon Archer, said Hunter called DC and asked for help in this matter. Now if if the average person doesn't know that. How do we make sure we keep corruption out of government out of the White House? I see it as an impossibility. And for the people who vote for Trump because they either aren't as concerned about what he may be doing, I certainly think Trump is. It's a lesser degree with Trump. I think there's varying degrees of personal interest that come from any family. But I think I think Biden is and the establishment neocon, neo liberal, I see these as as evil and dangerous forces leading us to World War Three. I don't see how either side is willing to accept a rule from the other, which leads us to. I mean, look, if you like January six was bad, if you thought I'll say this as well, I know that when I say May 29, nobody knows what I'm talking about. Trump supporters know what it means. It's when far left extremists firebombed the White House, forced the president into an emergency bunker and set fire to St. John's Church across the street. And for some reason, that was never in the press. But I see I see both of these things, and I say it doesn't matter who you think is right. What matters is neither of these people are going to back down. Neither neither of these groups are going to back down on this one. I hope I'm wrong. But all I've seen over the past several years is escalation. Yeah, I yeah, the whole the whole Biden syndicate with the pay for play first off. The craziest thing is I will sit around every once in a while and I'll watch like I was about three weeks ago. I was watching the young Turks and they'll have the commentators on there and they'll go, Hey, listen, Joe Biden's not my dad and I'm not related to the guy. If you can show me any evidence at all that he was involved in any way with any of these business dealings, you know, then I'm in, but I haven't so far. There's nothing I haven't seen the thing and it's like you could do reams and reams of papers and documents and emails and text and talk interviews under oath with business partners. I mean, I had Tony Bobulinski in here and I talked to him for four two hours about it. So that's the crazy part. And in terms of the election being stolen, I'm with you. I wasn't so much about stuffing ballot boxes. I was like, You had a guy who was who's credibly involved with the activity that he's accusing the other guy up. So you got Joe Biden, Joe Six Pack, Scranton, Joe shucks kind of guy, you know, everyone real dinner table issues. And he didn't grow up rich and he doesn't have anything. And he's accusing Trump and his family of being a basically syndicate of family grifters, and he's engaging in that same behavior. And if people had found out about it, they may have changed their votes. Some say 17 percent or to change your vote. But all the Big Tech and CNN and all the powers that be squashed that story, even though they probably knew the truth and that was really the stealing part of the election, not dominion. That's yeah, we know. We know from leaked emails. We know from several lawsuits that U.S. government agencies were. Not only did they have direct access to these Big Tech companies, they had backdoor portals for submitting takedown requests. And so they try to masquerade it as, Oh, but they're just normal. They're flagging rule violations. It's like, OK, yeah, when the rules are set up in such a way that you can argue the rules were broken, the government need only say it looks like the rule was broken. They argued the Hunter Biden laptop story that it was hacked materials and must be suppressed. It wasn't hacked, it was discarded property, which the data becomes discarded property. And the book I held up just a moment ago was gifted to me last week and it is. I don't know how many pages, but this is not just this is the Hunter Biden laptop report, which is 630 or so pages, each of which outlines criminal activity discovered in the laptop, not just what's in the laptop. And they they had intelligence former intelligence officials coming out saying it's Russian disinformation. Social media companies Facebook and Twitter specifically were suppressing the link. You couldn't even share the story, and this was the New York Post. So yeah, that's how they did it. That was that was the the upfront collusion. You know, a lot of people are thinking that it's like secret ballots were printed in China or whatever, and it's like, Oh, come on, come on, come on, come on. No, that's not necessary. The FBI had the laptop for months and months before the election. They knew they could verify it. They warned Facebook. I believe I believe it was Facebook. I got one. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they had a meeting and the messages got leaked right where they were like, heads up on this one, I think. Mark Zuckerberg admitted that in a podcast. He said they contacted us and said, Hey, this is going to be disinformation that's coming your way. Make sure you watch for it, which is basic. We know what that means. It's like when the mob boss comes in your store and says, you know, you're going to you're going to pay the tax. If you know what I'm saying, that is they're not liking you. That's tampering with an election. And I don't know why more Americans don't know that or seem to care, I guess. You ever have you followed Trump fraud lawsuit in New York? I know some something about it. And you read what? Read one page and you know that it's fake. The whole thing is fake. They it's remarkable. They're. Their argument outright first, Trump didn't get a trial. They the judge issued a summary judgment that Trump did commit fraud on on his tax filings and his business filings, and now the the current trial is to determine whether or not he falsified records. The judge claimed that Mar a Lago is worth eighteen to $20 million. Right. Despite being seventeen and a half acres beach to beach property in Palm Beach, the most expensive real estate market in the country where a third of an acre goes for something like $10 million. Oh yeah, argue the J.Lo. J.Lo just sold her house in Beverly Hills for $38 million like yesterday. And if you'd say to any human being above the age of four, would you rather own Mar a Lago or J-Lo's X X home? That yes, obviously it's an insane allegation to say what it's worth. I don't know why they don't see you when I talk to someone like you, and I talked to guys like Dr. Drew and I talked to a lot of people there, they're sort of careful what words they use. You just said a moment ago, I think it's Facebook, but I may be wrong. Someone have to check that like, you want to be accurate. You know what I mean? And so if the idea is to make Mar-A-Lago worth less and it's probably worth eight hundred million dollars, then make it $600 million, but don't make it $18 million. Now we see that you're lying and that you have an agenda. But you know what? I think they're going to try to do. I think they're going to try and seize Trump's properties. So the judge already summarily ordered the Trump Organization to be disbanded, as well as several other companies, which would require require those companies to basically give off the assets before being dissolved. This is, I think, tens of thousands of jobs being destroyed overnight in this order. Of course, Trump is appealing, but the first thing the judge does is says, yeah, that $500 million property you got, it's only worth 10. So be it. I say it bangs a gavel. Then Trump loses his lawsuit against the state. The state then says Trump, you are liable for $200 million to the state of New York. If you don't pay, we will seize your assets. Aha. Here's a building. It's worth $10 million. Now you almost 190, right, so they claim it's worth nothing. Sees it, claimed Trump sell. I was for it. Yeah, it's it's a time. And by the way, look, whoever I've said this before. Donald Trump and Alec Baldwin. Alec Baldwin famously played Donald Trump, but no two people further apart on the political spectrum. I don't want to live in a nation where there's some power hungry D.A. in New Mexico trying to make a name for herself, so she's going to keep retrying Alec Baldwin. And I don't want to live in a nation where somebody is running for D.A. of New York announces during her campaign that if you, if you vote me in, I will get Donald Trump, I will find something on Donald Trump. I don't think any of us want to live in that world. The problem is, is the people that hate Alec Baldwin would cheer on the person in New Mexico, and the people that hate Trump would cheer on what's going on in New York. You can't base it on that. And that's that's exactly it. For some reason, the people who are in defense of Alec Baldwin tend to be Democrat leaning, and the people who are critical of Alec Baldwin tend to be right leaning. And I honestly, I think the defense of Alec Baldwin is more so. Look, I view this more of the culture war, the left, the social orthodoxy. In my mind, I can't comprehend how a man can shoot and kill a person. And then you have the gun control proponents arguing he's completely innocent and should be let go. It's true what he was. I mean, the story. If you if you go into the full details of how that all went down, it's more complicated than people realize with fighting on set. But at the very least, we can say, you know, if you're running the show and there's live ammo in Alec Baldwin had live ammo in his gun belt. At the very least you've got, you know, manslaughter or something. But the people defending him are also the people calling for gun control who are arguing to me. My argument was, I'm a Second Amendment guy. Anything you point a gun at? You're responsible for no matter what. If you think it's not loaded, too bad. If you if you if you wield a weapon and it results in death, that's your fault. You're responsible. If you point a gun thinking it's not loaded and it is your fault. I think you should be responsible and that's, you know, part of responsible gun ownership. But the weirdest thing to me was the gun control people saying, No, no, you're allowed to point guns at people. It's not your fault if it goes wrong. And I'm like, what? Yeah, it's hypocritical. It's also hypocritical to want him not to be prosecuted because we like his politics and Trump to be prosecuted because we hate his politics, which are also the same people. Tim, let me give you a plug. Tim Cast dot com. That's the web site, and the new podcast is the Culture War podcast with Tim Poole. This has been a enlightening conversation, Tim, and I hope I can come on to your PodcastOne day soon and continue the conversation. Yeah, very esoteric a bit. I should say both, but very esoteric. I would say I look forward to it and hopefully we can make it happen soon. Although I don't have the PJ that Tanya has, so I have to figure this one out. Runner, thanks Tam's. Great catching up with you. Thanks for having me. Soon, hopefully in person. All right. Also, Jeff Allen, are we there yet? 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