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Welcome to another week of connect with Jonathan Mark. We have quite an amazing guest this week is Elizabeth Chambers. She's a very well established TV personality on her spare time. She has Bird Bakery and she helps out so many different families from all over the world, different organizations. Wow, it's really amazing. There's so much to talk about, so let's jump in. Hi, Jonathan. Hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I've heard wonderful things. Thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. I just want to ask you a few questions if that's OK. Yes, I want to ask you about the Bird Bakery and everything about that. Like how you managed to do that TV and being a mom, that must be absolutely insane. It's a lot. I think I managed to do it all with an amazing team like I think people are the greatest asset. And when you find good ones, you don't let them go. You know, and I just I feel so blessed and so fortunate to be exactly where I am now, exactly in this moment. Bird was something I've always wanted to do, and I knew I was going to do it. I just didn't know what when. So I was really I was in TV. I was working a lot and then I had like three shows that were canceled all within two weeks. I was twenty seven and I was like, Wow, like, you know, I was going to work every day. I was showing up. I was doing my job, but one network went under the other like we weren't renewed and entertainment. And just really, you can't really control anything, as you know, as you'll soon find out. So I feel like I said, OK, well, I knew I was. I thought I really would start my bakery what I was like in my 60s. Thank God I didn't, because it consists of like 9000 all nighters, and I could never have handled that then. But yeah, so I opened my my restaurant, which was like my first baby, and it is was the hardest thing I've ever done. I have two amazing children and I parent so hard. I mom so hard. Yet my company is still harder. So, you know, building this baby bird from nothing and creating, you know, places where everyone comes and enjoys every day like, I think we have to take moments to really sit back and just like good job to ourselves, sometimes like, so I do. I am so grateful. I'm so grateful for the opportunity. I'm so grateful that everything happened, and I'm so grateful for our customers to come and enjoy every day and my team that serves them. And just to have like a living, breathing thing, a place that exists where I'm serving our family recipes. And, you know, Amazon, a legacy of my grandmother and my mom's recipes and mind like food is truly, for me, the key to the soul and experience in hospitality. So I feel so grateful for Bird, and I feel so grateful for my career in television and I feel so great with my kids. And I don't know. I'm just in a real moment lately of just gratitude. And, you know, I don't feel like we're always in that space. Like, sometimes we lose sight of that, but I'm just really grateful for everything I am for everybody who's made it happen because nobody does anything on their own. It takes it takes a damn village. It takes a lot of damn village's historic role. All of that, like, it's so funny you say that because I have like cousins that have kids. I'm like their uncles, and I'm like, I feel like I'm like a fun uncle. Everyone's like, You know, it really is like a whole separate, like an intense thing. And, you know, I wanted to touch on like food does bring everyone together, you know, like, I feel like when there's a good restaurant, people always want to go and there's a good bakery, people always want to go, and it always brings people from different backgrounds or just anywhere together. So there must be so cool to see so many different people. I come from all different backgrounds and just everything. And like, we're a full service restaurant now, but we started as a bakery and just like celebrating milestones with our customers, you know, like we have, we did the wedding cakes that we do there, baby. We did the baby shower and we did all the birthday cakes. Like, it's like we're living life with these people. And I think that's what the correlation between journalism and in bakery like people don't really make that connection. As much like its stories, its life, its moments, its milestones. It's like all of that. But it's through food and it's through, you know, chats and conversation and getting to know people. And that's like totally my passions. I feel so grateful that I'm able to do both of my work study, marketing and journalism and the fact that, like I do both. That was my majors and business and like the fact that I do both in every day and such a fun way, just like it feels, it feels like a pinch me, mom. I know it's so cheesy, but it really does every day. But it's all cool because you because you really get to do the two things that you're passionate about. And that's like the coolest thing I always tell people, just like even my friends are just like anyone in general. It's kind of like when you do something that you love, like, really love and you're passionate about, it really is like the best feeling, at least from my perspective, because it's, you know, I'm sure, you know, people just like I do to you, like they go to work and they're not particularly thrilled with like, you know. Whether it's a nine to five or whatever job that they do, but the fact that you get to change people's lives like like honestly, because when people go to you for like a baby shower cake or a wedding cake, you're going through those like intense milestones with people. And that's such an emotional connection. Like I will always remember, like I just got engaged and the cake we got like, I'll always remember where we got from because it was a unique cake. It wasn't just like a regular cake, so it's like these milestones that people will always remember. It's it's incredible. Congratulations. Where did you get your cake? We got it at Audrey's bakery on the island. I'm from Long Island, so I, I have to be honest, I went there because my grandmother's name was Audrey. So I was like, I like, Yes, this way. And I love that. Yeah. So I I kind of was like, you know, she's definitely looking down, you know, and and all that, and I want to make her happy since she's not going to be with us. I want to do something in honor of her and stuff. Do you do you do like a bunch of like when people come in for, like the big moments where they're like, I want to do this in honor of someone or like an art works? Yes. And if they have a certain recipe that was on our menu, if like if you wanted to do like your grandmother's cake recipe, like we could do that, I don't know. I say that's all we have right there. Sorry interconnections like that one million percent. That is why we are in business and that's why we do what we do. And I love that. So cool. And I think it's so cool, like you just mentioned before that you do it or you have your grandmother's like recipes and you use that. I, you know, I wish that I went back and I took some of my grandmother's recipes for like things, and I don't think I even thought of it when I was younger. I don't know. I always thought like when I was younger. I know it's going to sound also silly and maybe cheesy to people, but I thought people always lived forever, you know what I mean? Like, I never viewed my grandparents not being there, like later on in life. But yeah, it's it's so it's just everything is just very crazy and connected. Everything's so connected. Everything, everything is connected. And like I always tell people, it's like when you least expect something like a sign or whatever you want to call it always comes just like the Audrey thing. We weren't even looking at that, and that place just came up. It was like a new thing that, like the wedding venue uses for like whatever. And I was like, I have to go there and I have to like, I have to give them this like, it's for my grandma, like, I have to do it. So now you have to have your wedding cake from them. I know. And then your baby shower and then your gender reveal. When Audrey customer of her life, no matter how good or bad that cake was, it was just meant to be like, you know, no matter if it's like the worst thing ever. Like, I'm sticking with it. Well, yeah, you're in. You're in it to win it out over the long run your life work. Tunnel vision right there. Like, I can't like move at all. But but I want to also ask you because I know that you always give back and you so much are like dictionaries and stuff and know what are you passionate about, like helping out because I see you do give back like a lot to like a lot of different organisms and stuff. So, you know, that's our that's our duty, right? Like, we are not operating in a vacuum. It's about community. It's about we, by the way, like, you could have an amazing product. You could have amazing marketing, amazing recipes, customer service. And guess what, if your community does not embrace you like you have nothing, you have, you have nothing. So we are nothing without our customers and and part of that is is giving back to the community. And I think I think Blake, mycoskie started Toms a long time ago. I think it was like 20 years ago. I think he did a great job and and really encouraging, empowering and challenging businesses to to have that, to have that responsibility like, you know, you can't just to whom much is given, much must be returned. Like, that's just how it is. So I think the more success we have and the more we are embraced like, the more I just want to continue to build up the community that supports us. So yeah, and there are different causes like this month we're doing polycystic kidney like, you know, whatever it is, like, whatever they need, whatever people need, like, I hope that I am in a position always to give. That is the coolest thing, like always giving back to like different things like like the kidney thing or like St. Jude's or or whoever, right? Well, I think that's the best thing. And like, I've been really trying to do that as well, too, I think at this point, but I see you're doing such a big scale. So that's why I was like, I mean, I could learn a few things like, honestly, I'm always trying to learn like with so many different things, it's just very I think it's really awesome because like, people need people. I think like at certain times, like no matter where you are live. Great that whenever like people always they need people like you are giving back more than, you know, I mean, you are really like showing people you're opening their mind and you're opening the way and you're showing them like something that they can't do for themselves. You know, like people can eventually figure out a way to find money or whatever. You're actually giving a gift that that day that we are not able to give ourselves. So and then but also in that process, you have to protect your own energy because it is a gift. And I know I'm sure you've already done this, but I'm going to give you my mom speech because I have a mom and you're not that like, yes, you are. You have this incredible gift and you you do have a responsibility to give back. But also like you have to make sure that you are taking care of you. Is the oxygen mask theory like you put your oxygen mask on first before you help others? And it's easy to burn out, so don't burn out. Take care of yourself. Take care of your fiancee. But like, nobody can be taken care of if you're not so well, it's it's actually ask for. I know I need it. I need it because like, I'm kind of going on all cylinders at this point. Right, right. Right now because like, I'm like a bunch of different like, you know, readings and then this and then, you know, working with the law enforcement stuff. But I wanted to ask you, like, what do you do to decompress from like a hectic day because like, I still need to learn. So any advice I could get even on that frontier would be so grateful. Yeah, I know. But I think that's the thing. I I have so many friends that are really spiritual guides and and I am constantly reminding them like, you are taking this on. So I am taking on very little logistical things. I feel and obviously and stories when a lot of times like I have a show coming out, I'm discovering I.D. That's very much, you know, we're spending hours, 11 hours a day talking to victims and of. A multitude of of crimes and basically like it's all matters of the heart, right, like this is basically what it comes out to and and it's easy to to take that on yourself, but I do feel like I've really mastered self-care like I really do. I love I love, like I'm very I love a car. It's like, give me a snack in a car, sit and a mindless roll. I'm very I love boundaries. Boundary is my favorite word, and I think that that's so important when you are in a position, you know where a lot is being asked of you and you don't want to let people down and you have you have to. At some point I always tell myself, I said, I know you can do this 100 percent, but I would rather you do it 70 percent and not burn out. So delegation is key. Self-care is key. Balance is key. Like, I love a night out. But guess what, I'll be like on it and on point the next morning. So like, have fun. It's not like, what is the point of all of it if you're having fun? So like, yeah, just like joy, joy, joy, all the joy and and taking those moments, because that's what it's all going to get done. I think that's great because it can apply to so many different people, too, with whatever feel that they're in. But I wanted to touch upon your show and discover it. Can you share some about that with lots more? Yeah. First, I think you'll appreciate this considering all the magic that you create. I went through a crazy divorce and I in the process the biggest my biggest focus was just making sure that my kids were not only OK, but great, right? Like, I think the in of itself is trauma. I mean, I don't think it is. And the last thing you ever want to inflict on your children is trauma. They don't ask to come into this world. They don't ask for parents that are splitting up. Like, that's not anything like I would ever wish upon anyone. So for a year and a half, I made it my life's work to do all the work not only for myself, but for the kids. Like every single child psychiatrist, every single family separation therapist, literally from the Bronx to Norway. Like I was, that was my job. That was my six hours of zooms, of reading a podcast. I was. It was my obsession because I felt like I had one chance to do it right. Like, right, like, you're engaged. You have one chance to get your engagement right. You're welcome. And that's put pressure on ourselves like you want to do the best that you can, right? So I learned so much in the process. I learned so much about patterns. I learned so much about childhood trauma. I learned so much about the work that we should do. And so it made me want to do this show. It made me want to do this show that is about toxic relationships that have ended tragically and why, and really dive into why people are attracted to certain dynamics. Why are you attracted to this person and why do you keep creating this pattern over and over again, even though you've already of two years in jail for something you were set up for, like all of those things? So our season one is beyond riveting, and obviously they're very big examples of a lot of small things that can happen, you know? But I hope everybody ends every episode with an eye on this relationship. Is my sister in this relationship. How could I never be in this relationship? And just looking at patterns and like red flags is so overused, but like messages. And that's something that you can appreciate. Like small little signs that you need to pick up. And I know, like there's like the red flag and the programming and all the things that we have, you know, read about and take talk and said, but there's not really a show that shows like this is what happens when you really don't do the work and when you are in the same pattern that's not productive. And, you know, at the very worst case, toxic. So, yeah, our show amazing. I'm very excited. I hope people love true crime. You know, I hope it's entertaining. I hope it's helpful in the end. Like, that's all I I really hope. It's just helpful if we can save a few lives because obviously we went very extreme. It's that's just a macro version of what can happen in a micro way and an unhealthy relationship. So I don't know if we have the happiest life. You have to be in healthy relationships, whether it's a friendship, a work dynamic, you know, a partner or like, whatever it is, it's just having those healthy dynamics and relationships all around you. It's so great. I can't wait for you to see it. I will tell you like just from my experience of stuff, which is probably not even like, who cares, right? But I hear you because I work a lot with like the law enforcement, like I was saying before, and a lot of some some of the cases that I I've worked on has been from domestic things. And what I struggled with, just being 100 percent honest, is that people still make excuses for their other partner, whether it's male, female, whoever. And when I'm working with these detectives and, you know, with the families and stuff and I'm giving them information, but because I don't know what it is, but they're so kind of like tunnel vision that I could tell them, like, it looks like he did this to you, did this to you or she did this or this, and there's proof and they'll be like, I never happened. They'll be like right away. And I think whether it's a male or female, I I don't know. It's it's it's been a humbling experience working on those cases just because like, I'm sitting there, I'm like, sometimes I just want to shake these people and this being like, like, hello, like like, look, what just happened? Like, this person's not here anymore because of something that happened, but it's very it's textbook, though your experience is very on point. These are some ways that they feel. I totally interrupted you. Oh, no, no, no, it's OK. But it. I don't know it like kind of shook me a little bit at times because I was just like, it's like pretty clear as day, like certain things that happened, but they need additional information about things and they will make it very difficult for anyone to take a step further in a situation or a case because they're still protecting this person's like image or whatever it is like. And they're not physically like here anymore. Like, it's kind of crazy and. I just want people to know, just like on a big scale, like this happens everywhere. There's been times up and I have like in my family that this has happened and it took someone in my family some time to really pull away. Like it didn't just happen, like it was like a long, long time. So I think it's amazing what you're doing with this show, and I think it will help so many people feel comfortable or want to take a step aside, but also to to realize like one plus one is not equal to right now. Like this, you know, like, you know, and I'm sure you witnessed firsthand too, like when you're talking to someone about that, they're going to be like, I never happened or like, No, but it wasn't like that. It was like, I did it. I started it. I'm the one who did it. And when they when they would say that to me, I'm just like, What the heck is going on? Yeah, I guess, maybe because and maybe you can like, shed some light on this just because I don't know, like fully since you have the show and you know, you're, you know, seemed really like like expert in this and stuff. But it just seems to me like they want to protect someone when they did something pretty bad to them. And I just I don't understand sometimes maybe why, maybe because they're scared. And that's what I saw. I saw scared and brainwashed. I saw two things I saw that I saw like the brainwashing and people being like frightened and stuff. But did you experience any of that? All right. No. One hundred percent, I think like, well, for example, it takes seven to nine cases of domestic violence for somebody to actually report it. And that's just that's physical. You know, I think what what really is, what we're diving into is there are so many types of abuse. There's financial abuse. There is an obvious there is reproductive abuse. I know of cases where people are putting bovine. Birth the opposite of birth control, bovine hormones and their wives coffee or their partner's copy to make sure that they're pregnant and then sedating them like the level of the multitude of abuse that can exist in a relationship and in any dynamic right, like everything's a relationship, is it? It's it's endless. And I think that if when a victim is making an excuse for a perpetrator, it's not only physical, I mean, they have now that's that's yeah, that's you know, it doesn't even take years. That's mental, emotional, so much, so many different types of abuse. And I think that that's like that is what is so important for us to shed light on is the fact that it doesn't come alacarte. It really comes like it's all, it's all part and parcel and and recognizing those warning signs and recognizing those warning signs for loved ones. But the fact that it takes seven to nine the mess physically domestic incidents for somebody to actually report, I mean, that's just too far and it's so indicative of something deeper. And you know what, I want to touch on to you a little bit because you said this so perfectly. At least, you know, when I do readings and stuff and I see abuse, I always tell people that it's not as cookie cutter as we see on TV, right? Like you see on TV, stop. And I tell them that sometimes you know you don't. It doesn't have to be physical for it to be abuse. Abuse will go away, but a mental abuse and emotional abuse sticks with you for a lifetime. Or you can suppress it for 20 30 years and then something so small can trigger something. And it, you know, shows its ugly face, you know, and it is like a trigger for people. So when I deal with that stuff and it's and it's interesting because some some of the cases that. I've seen ah, mostly. I mean, yes, there's physical, there's a lot of macho abuse where like someone will encourage someone to do something horrible. And it's it's insane to me because like people get brainwashed, like I don't even know how to read. I've also seen that like when it comes to these like large situations and stuff like I come from a like a nice family and stuff. But as I started doing this stuff with like the museum stuff, I was learning things about my family that I was like, Wait, what? Like, like, you know what I mean? Like, I viewed this person in a certain way and then I, you know, saw stuff and I was like. It was and then it explained how someone in my family was still today, like because I thought that they came from like just based on in my own family. And, you know, I think people sometimes need to like peel back like, like, you know, they always they like, peel back like the onions and whatever. I think sometimes people have a very good poker face and they can walk around smiling and, you know, whatever they do. But then something, you know, you peel back that one layer and you're like, How are you still smiling? Well, that's the beauty of our generation, and that's the beauty of the conversations we're having now. And that's the beauty of this show, is that sunshine is the best disinfectant. And every family has its skeletons and every family has its history. And our parents and our grandparents love to brush that under the rug. And now we're empowered actually, by having these conversations and realizing that, like legitimately, nothing is perfect. And even if you think it is perfect, is boring. Like, Show me the mess and I love that and I love the only way that we're actually gonna have real conversations are real healing is by being super open and honest, but it is not their fault. There's a book I love so much is by Rabbi Stephen Leader, and he wrote a book called The Beauty of What Remains. And he said, You know, we always think of building the next generation as creating like, we're creating right. We say, No, you're taking away, you're taking away what doesn't serve you. It's a block of marble to build the statue, but you're not building the statue you're removing, which doesn't serve you or the statue. And I love that so much because we are in such a place, you know, social media has its negatives and, you know, whatever. But at the end of the day, it's a conversation and it's a conversation where everyone feels open and and willing to talk about their trauma. And if only and again, it's no fault of their own that our parents and our grandparents, they were just taught that. But I do believe sunshine is the best, in fact, and I do believe this is a new era and a new chapter of healing because the conversation is happening. You know, I agree with that. And I also think too in this generation, I guess, like social media has its pros and cons. You know, like just like everything has pros and cons. But like even with this generation of being more like self-aware, like emotionally about things because my grandfather, you know, bless his soul and stuff, he was a very tough man. And no matter what kind of happened, he would never speak about it like he just wouldn't address, like a situation and kind of what you said and brush it under the rug or whatever. But like, I always use this like term with like like he said to me when I was a kid, any time I got hurt, throw dirt on it. I don't talk about throw dirt on it like and and unless it's broken, don't go see like, you know, like you were just saying, always throw dirt on it, just always get a dirtier, you know, like that is so telling and so terrifying, right? But that's only you know what we know, right? And like, you know, like, you know this or I would get cut too. But like when I was younger, like, I'm broke. Like this bone here. And I didn't tell you because I didn't want people like in my family to like, you know, throw dirt on it and stuff. And then as I got older, you know, when it would rain and stuff like with like I would lay on my stomach and I couldn't move. Like I was like kind of crippled and I went to the doctor and they did like an x ray and my bone healed, like, kind of like this. And he said he goes, Do you know, like this bone's been broken for like so long that the bone healed itself and wrapped it like this. So he's like, There's bone on this, and he's like, You know, the only way to fix this is like surgery, like intense surgery. And I was like, Why would we grandfather? It's like, I'm so mad because like, now I have to live with this because I'm like, it was just ingrained in me. I do not complain. Kind of like. And like, that's why I think being a medium to you is like, so different from my families because it's like now I'm doing like the emotional side of, like connecting with people like, you know, and everything. But I was raised like very differently. Like, you know, I was raised like I had a loving mother and I have a loving father out, both parents that are the best. And but I was raised, you know, like a certain way, and I'm just thankful that his gifts kind of opened up. You know, I think different. Like things and me, like emotionally and stuff, I think I became a little bit more emotionally intelligent when it came to certain like things like than I probably was when I was younger and like, that's why I'm saying like this generation it now, like kids that are like 16 or whatever. Like the medium stuff or spirituality, like it's it's grown to a place where people are way more receptive than like our grandparents age like, you know, my grandma, my grandpa would be rolling in his grave right now. You know, like, you know, just one of those so well that you're really thought of you. But I mean, first of all, I am, so they can't imagine the physical pain that you were yet living. Also, that's a euphemism for so much emotional pain that they were right. That's all they knew. And yes, I mean, I do. I think we're in a really magical space in terms of this. Of course, there's good with the bad, but about the good. But I think we're in such a magical place that I think you are in such a relatable way, like you're a medium that is very in touch with with the younger generations, and they're receptive to it. So not to put more on you, but like you are. And this is a moment and this is a gift and this is exactly, you know, it's a gift. But I just think the timing is also something that cannot be understated. No. And and and I agree and and thank you for saying I was really so nice. And I, you know, I don't know how to say compliments to because of my like, you know, upbringing and stuff or dirt on, yeah, I'll just throw some dirt on or whatever. But you know, it's it's interesting to you because like with the whole working, just in general, what this like people are way more receptive and open that I, you know, people don't know this, but I read 50 percent men and 50 percent women like it. Yeah, because a lot of people are a little shocked by that when they ask me, because I like it issues predominantly more of like a female thing. But I think as time went on and stuff, it's 50-50 now. Like, like for for me, and there are people that work at Nassau, like scientists that come to like, it's crazy, like athletes, everyone like people that if you look at them, there's no way this person will go to a medium or spirituality stuff. And that's why I think this time, you know, really is special for like everyone to really connect, you know, just in different ways, you know, and that's why I'm very thankful that I'm able to do this. But you are right. It's a big responsibility, and I don't take that lightly like at all because I want to be able to help so many people respectfully too, because I don't want to be shoved down people's throats too, like I don't want to be that person. So I'm trying to do it like not being annoying or anything, but it's finding that happy medium, no pun intended, but like media is a medium of medium now, but that is that your your timing is right, right? And I also do believe that no accident and I'm sure you believe the same. There is no such thing as an accident. There's no such thing as a coincidence. Like the world, I think is is ready for this, especially, I hate bring up COVID and everything like such a downer like post-COVID, like people really are re inventing themselves are refining themselves. And and that was a moment of reflection. It was a moment of darkness, a moment of reflection. And now you go white light and answers. So I think this is exactly your time to shine. I don't think you need to shove anything down anyone's throat. You know, it's it's actually interesting you bring up COVID because I have these personal conversations with my family and stuff. But I think COVID changed everyone's mind when it comes to spirituality because it was such a darkened time for everyone could relate to this. Like, like everyone was affected by it somehow, whether it was, you know, they lost someone or they were just in their house, like, stuck. But, you know, honestly, I'm just shocked with the change like I really am because everybody for are not, I don't wanna say everyone, but majority people have kind of, you know, they want hope, they want faith like it's it's something that we all need right now, just like I needed to, you know, like I'm no different from anyone, you know, like, I want that hope. I want that faith like, I want, you know, to see that light and stuff. Just I will, and I want to spread it for everyone to see. I don't know what's best for you. Are you really are. And I think like as long as we're doing that while taking care of ourselves and having boundaries and perspective, then we're like, You are doing it. You are you. But you have to preserve yourself. Hey, that's my last long drive through today, and I need it. But I would love to give you a reading. I would love that so much for talking if I could talk to you. Well, I said I do. I learned, is that I love God so much. So like, I was like, said a prayer before because I do love reading and I am very specific. There are only two other people that I ever have done readings with. And I always pray and like these at his heart. It is mine that show me what I need to know because I do believe that. Like extreme faith in God. And like, I think it's very simultaneous, I think it goes hand in hand. And I know some people disagree with that, but I did. I said, like a big prayer on my knees before this for guidance and for openness. And I'm so grateful for this opportunity. So thank you. On. You're someone with an Emmy name, whether it's Mary, Maureen, Margaret. When someone taps out and they flicker their brain, I mean, I know brain issues come and many different facets, whether it's like M.S., Alzheimer's or Parkinson's or something that's like neurological, that stems from the brain. So I know someone with this unique name and I don't know. You know, do you know someone named Die Young, my uncle, because I have a very close family friend named Guy, and you're probably the second. Literally the other person that I don't know anyone with the name guy, I could flourish on my phone. I just call them like last week. He's a family friend of mine. But. The person who's coming through keeps relaying something about we so you. At the bakery, but the person who's coming through, I think this is this. I'm assuming this is your grandmother who's coming through if I'm being honest, but. He seems very well established and that they are almost in a baking community, but in the restaurant community or like some type of food industry, whether it's restaurant baking or something also to. She keeps putting like around like Globes, I don't know if she's a very well-traveled person before he passed away, but she seems very well well-traveled. She's also this is family to you who's coming through because they're not going to find out, but there's someone named Mike that's coming through. I'm just going to push that person aside if that's okay, just because it doesn't seem like it's blood to you. So I want to stick with people that are actually like family to you, if that's what you can tell me to go back to the one. I'm just a that you don't want, you know, because they're not blood to you. So you must have been pretty young when she passed away, or you must have been like. A young adult. She seems like a very tough woman to I'm being honest, like a sweet but woman. And it's interesting you bring up the faith and the religion stuff because she keeps talking to me about the religious side of things like being, you know, I'm not saying she was a like a nun or anything like that or whatever. But yeah, who had the Alzheimer's, the Parkinson's of dementia, something with the brain, something this year. She had Parkinson's. My grandmother, Parkinson's. That's so crazy. That is wild. So also to I wanted to ask you this because she keeps relaying this were you in college when she passed away or like end of high school, like like around that time when you're on a college time, like, is this on the internet anywhere? I'm like spiraling because I have members of that. Hello? Yeah, I was in college. It just seemed like you were just like, Yeah, it's I don't know if you like an early college or sophomore college, so why does she keep bringing up this person guy, like before she passed away? There's something with this person. I mean, it's her only son. So it's my my mom's brother. And I know, like, if she was your mama's boy, he was among those. Why did she go with him? She did well, she did down. Well, she's putting a roof over his head in her head, which just I would assume that they live together at some point. Not like when he was young, when we're like, no, like they were, they had a company together and they live together towards the end of her life. That's so wild. She she keeps saying how fast things progressed. That's what she keeps showing to me, because the thing that's confusing to me, she is a strong woman. She's come up with, like, very like she doesn't seem like you throw in any type of like how or why or anything. But she's saying it became very she keeps using this term like this for years or so. She's just showing estimates. She's going to had me grabbing a Gatorade bottle or a drink became very difficult, like simple task, because what she keeps talking to me about is, I guess that your uncle guy. Really taking care of it, because as you keep talking about the full circle type of moment of like how she raised. Knelt down and then he had to take care of her, like in the most intimate type of ways, what she's telling me. She was tapping herself and saying it was like a hard adjustment to kind of like, have a child like her child. So, you know. Really do very intimate things to help her, you know, like the intimate things that we take for granted, I think at times what she's also saying to is. You should know how much she loves you, I just want to throw that out there because she's smiling from ear. I mean, you don't even need me to tell you this, but when she's talking to me about you is like how much you learned about her after her passing and she's laughing about it because she sails in shortly after her passing. You start to learn like the nitty gritty, like personal stuff about her by and what made her her is what she's saying and. I have to be honest, she has a very interesting life. It's not like a life that like I think I lived at all. It's a very interesting life. And she's also. But she's saying this to me as like a joke like I need to experience more is what you keep saying to me. You know, I stay in my bubble at times and stuff. It's kind of like if you go to a foreign country, right? And that country like that. I don't think people would go on for like vacation normally, I would assume it's because what? But what was she sharing with me that she's experienced different, like very unique cultures is what she keeps all day that we grew up in India, her father or her uncle, I believe, or a father, uncle or guy. It was Guyanese physicians. So she grew up in India. Yeah. Was Danny's physician. Hmm. Wait. I'm like, Sorry, I have to get back. I don't know. I always heard your father. But my cousin said it was her uncle's. I would love to know it was her uncle, it seems. It seems like it was her uncle, I'm sure. Maybe her father knew who flew around with, and we'll just she's just saying as she experience very different cultures and she was like, pressing me to like, really do that because I don't do that. So you as what her husband was like about. Just if there's anything she wants. Oh, OK. OK. I don't know if there's anything specific. Oh, just like any is passed away before I was born. Yeah, he seems like he's been there, unfortunately for for quite some time. He's also something that had like a crazy life to your grandparents, had crazy lives like. But his passing from at least what I'm seeing and or death is tragic from my perspective, but has seems like pretty and like fast paced is what I'm I don't want to get in. I don't know if you want to get into it. That's why we didn't do it. I was thinking, you know how we pass vows to talk about it? Yeah, it's the only thing I've never talked about in the press as far as asking you is what you? I'll just tell you what he's showing to me about his passing is that because he keeps. Thing is like with someone who's on top of like health, it seems like he was like he knew about like health. Obviously, if you're asking about it, he was in position for Gandhi and stuff. But why does he keep saying it was a very he's pointing like someone else had something to do with something is what I'm trying. I don't know how you want me to say it. Well, no, I don't know. I heard us, but I don't really. Nobody really talks about it. I think he, like, maybe ended his my grandmother's as maybe ended his own life. But I know, like if anyone ever really talks about, well, that's why I'm trying to. I was trying to figure out how to say it without, because that's like, that's why I was trying to say, like, it's very intense and I always try to be careful with that. Now, of course, I mean, there's a lot of it because what what he's bringing up is, I'm not saying there was anyone influencing him to do anything this hour, I'm saying. But what he is bringing up to me is that in a time that was chaotic, it's like all eyes on you. And it was a very hard time. Just in general is what he keeps talking about. But he's also saying, and it's interesting because he keeps using the term like you like, like what our conversation was about is what he's like saying it, too. It's like speaking about emotion and holding things back. Hmm. Kind of what he's. That's how it knew it was something like mental health related. If you're saying like speaking about emotion and stuff, that's why I was like pause, and I was like, I don't know if you want me to say this. No, I wouldn't have, really. I think I heard he was like most medicated for a thyroid condition that they gave. But I don't. I mean, listen, I open, but I just want to hear everything your world like. That's why he says, like his death is due from someone, from someone else. But there is mental health. Things I like like from it is because. It seemed like it was all eyes on him, and that's why he also and I kind of imagined before, it's like the physician side of things like you should like when someone knows about the doctor stuff and the medical stuff it's. You know, it's just like if if I messed up with the me himself or whatever, it's like, I should have known kind of. Yeah, but like, that's, you know, kind of what I am trying. I was trying to tiptoe with things because not very intimate stuff that, you know, if you wanted out in public, no, be very careful and respectful, I guess. So are they together? Can you see if they're they're side by side? But the reason why your grandma probably comes through more is because you had more of a relationship with her. Like, that's typically what happens is like the people that you have the most relationship with are like a longer relationship will come through just so you can validate more things, because if you don't know someone, it's hard to value I. People can say things. So that's why. So that's why I try to go towards that, but. Yeah, you had someone also named Mike to come through, so I know my girl. She was the one I definitely thought would come. Well, she's just one. You had the most relationship from what I could tell that was coming through unless there was someone else. But from my perspective of who was coming through, was that so as crazy? Thank you. That is a wild love that I do. I always feel like she's with me, and now I know for sure. Oh, definitely, she's definitely. I mean, she's with your family and everything, too. So it was amazing. You're amazing. Wow. Yeah, Jonathan, that was impressive. What an amazing episode this was. Guys, all these topics are really important. And I'm so happy to have a platform to be able to share, you know, everyone's different experiences, everyone's different backgrounds, different stories. You know, we all have something very important to say. And with that being said, guys, you know, I would really appreciate if each and every one of you would go to the Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts and please rate and review it, it helps out so much. But guys, thank you so much for listening. It means the world to me. I'll see you next week.
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