The Head & The Heart

Episode 22: "The Divider" with Peter Baker & Susan Glasser.

Ed and Perry welcome back their first returning guests, renowned journalists Peter Baker and Susan Glasser for a conversation about their new book: 'The Divider: Trump in the White House 2017-2021,' which chronicles the sobering events of the Trump years. In this definitive inside-the-room account of what is perhaps America's most controversial and divisive presidency, Baker and Glasser deliver never-before-told stories about Donald Trump's four-year war against the Washington establishment, his own administration officials, and democratic norms. Their impeccably reported book offers a dramatic view of the chaos, confusion, and relentless inner conflict of an administration unlike any other in history. Peter Baker is the chief White House correspondent for the The New York Times, a political analyst for MSNBC, and the author of "Days of Fire" and "The Beach." Susan Glasser is a staff writer for "The New Yorker" and author of its weekly "Letters from Biden's Washington," as well as a CNN global affairs analyst.

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