Ep75 - The Pike County Murders

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to another episode of It's Not Only Football, Friday Night Lights and beyond. Today we are talking about season one, Episode 21 Best Laid Plans. Zack Max Get the Hall Pa*s. Big Rig gets dumped. Jason thinks things are sunnier on the other side of the street. Lyla does not agree. Coach goes rogue and makes the decision that Tammy does not accept, and we finally see the depths of Landry and the genius of Jesse Plemons. How is it going, everybody, it's another Thursday morning, and we are so excited to be here with you talking about, like I said in the opening season one, Episode 21 Best Laid Plans, Zac's intros get better and better. How are you doing today, brother? I'm doing good. I got to tell you the one thing I left off of my intro, which I typed up, and I'm glad I didn't just keep reading like a robot, as I said, and we finally see the genius of Jesse Plemons dog poop. Amy, you're staying pregnant. OK. And I'll tell you this. This is why and this is totally this is the beyond part of Friday Night Lights and beyond. Do you guys notice so I keep my trash cans in the garage? Today is trash. OK, any time I leave my cat out and the trash truck comes and gets me trash. If it's in there, if I leave it out for five minutes, it feels like everyone walking their dog wants to throw their dog poop. And they're like, Oh, this guy, never get dog poop in his trash can. I'm going to put him in that and we go, OK, well, wait. Here's the this is a real problem, because as a dog owner myself, when I'm walking around, if what am I supposed to carry my dog's s**t, I pick it up. I do the responsible thing. I put it in his little bag, and if there's a trashcan out, I'm going to put it in the trash can. That's what trash cans are for. Well, I'm told, well, it just feels like people are like, I know this guy's trash cans are never out, but you feel it's targeted. I feel like you hold on to it for Thursday morning, and it's a big conversation on next door in my neighborhood. There's a lot of people that say, Hey, do not put your dog poop in my trash can. That's your dog. Take it home to your house and put it in your trash can. I don't own a dog for a reason because I don't want dog poop in my trash can. So, so I see both sides of the story. Also a dog owner, I try to hold on to the poop till I get back to my house, just because I know neighbors are like watching out of their line. Of course, just hold on there. Just no, no, no, because I know that people are watching me in this, in this neck of the woods, I feel like that's psycho behavior. I'm like, You guys, if you're out, what? Why are we all of a sudden being like my trash can? Only my purest trash must touch. The thing is X, it's not only football today is dog poop, which you know, Hey, everybody, a lot of people deal with it. So yeah, including coach Taylor. When he stepped in it a couple of episodes ago and they kept on filming in a scene, and he just kind of shrugged it off on the sidewalk, on the way up to the front door of the Riggins House. What is your? It's not only football. Well, if it's not only football, which we all know, it's not. I would say for me this episode, it's about to sort of, I guess, equally as random things as Zach's, which is just one that, like Jesse Plemons, is the best actor in the world. And the other is just there's one line that I just can't stop thinking about, and it's not a damn laurel. That's my favorite line from this whole episode. They're just yelling at you and they just say, you can't rest on your laurels. Not a laurel. And he goes, Not a damn laurel. And I think that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. That's awesome. For me, this episode is not only football, it is couplings. It is new couplings, old couplings. It is like the penultimate penultimate episode of this season takes a close examination of the inner workings of all the relationships they set up or the first 20 episodes. You've got Waverley in Smash, you've got Riggins and Jackie, you've got Street and Lyla, you've got Coach and Tami. You've got Landry and Tyra, Tyra and Tammy. I mean, it is. It is just bringing all these pieces back together in just in just small parts. There's not like a huge, like number of massive scenes. I know the roast happens at the end of the episode, but a lot of the scenes in this particular episode deal with two people speaking to each other and very honest, very clear ways, and sometimes not so honest ways. We'll get into that later. But yeah, couplings is what this episode was. For me, this episode is written by Kari Aaron and Carter Harris. Now they between them wrote six episodes throughout the course of the season, including some like, Who's your daddy? What to do while you're waiting, extended families, and more. It seems like towards the end of the season, what they decided to do was just take some of the lake top lieutenants and they're like, We're going to give you all these episodes in the back end of the season where we need to, you know, maybe make sure we get this ship into port. What part of that is actually, I mean, well, insider baseball here, writers rooms, they don't get paid to stay open the whole season. And so people who are higher up are paid to stay on. So they tend to get the longer episodes because they're like, Well, you're still under contract, so we'll have you go write this as opposed to like, why would we pay you more to stick around and write an episode? Exactly. Or writers? We support the writers strike here. Just so you guys know, Oh, you're strong, support you. It's not an attack of like an ASI sign. That's like a we're just letting you guys know, you know, there is a writers strike going on and obviously nothing. Maybe you could tell us about your grandmother's bumper sticker that I think is sort of related to this right, Zach, about the writers strike. It's the perfect description of of the situation. That's not my grandmother. That's my nanny. Oh my God. Oh. But like my nanny, no, my nanny normally takes care of my children. I understand. Yesterday had a bumper sticker that said my driving is worse than the second season of Friday Night Lights, which I thought was hilarious. It's the funniest thing of all time, and it it relates back to the other bumper stickers we've been seeing, which are like, are the signs that some of the strikers have been putting up, like saying, like, Do you want a really? Do you really want to have a repeat of season two of Friday Night Lights? Yeah, yeah. I've seen a lot of signs that say the last time there was a writers strike, Jesse Plemons, kill the guy. Let's not have history. Repeat itself. But I mean, you know, it is what it is. That is a spoiler for season two going forward. But to exploit earlier, Carrey, Erin was the one that was still on to make sure everything got done and got completed, and she was there on set because writers are infinitely important, especially to a show like Friday Night Lights that you all love. So we support writers here. The opening scenes of this episode are very interesting in the script. The opening scenes of the episode solely deal with Coach and Tami. There's a wonderful scene Coach Tammy are in bed. Tammy wakes him up. It's the middle of the night. He's like, I missed my flight. I missed my flight. She's like, No, you didn't. But I just had a bad dream, and I need to talk to you about this. And if you go to Austin today for this TMU interview, don't accept the job, please. I have. There's a bad feeling I have about Fitz and coaches. Just like you're having cold feet, I'm going back to bed, I'm going to bed and he closes his eyes. The alarm goes off and he says, I'm going to kill you. Just like, we've all had that moment where you're woken up and you don't even if you had only two minutes left to be asleep. You get so angry about not having that two minutes you guys snooze button or you're not. Well, yes. Yes, must, it's a must. I was going to say that me, I thought, was, no, it's OK. I was going to say, I thought, May one, what what do you think about me? Do you think I'm a snooze buttner? You. Yes. No. Yes, I am a student. I feel like you launch. You are. I'm like, I can see you just like launching out of bed ready to go. No, no, no. Zach lived with me. He knows that I'm a little bit of a procrastinator. I'm learning Zach is not a snooze button here that gets a lot of behind the scenes button in my life. My wife would like more. So like, you know, you guys have had four a.m. call time sometimes. So you know your alarm set for 3:00 a.m. or whatever. So that means my wife is like, Well, I'm smiling for two and headed it five times until 3:00 a.m. and I'm like, I'm sleeping here. So you have a partner. Don't news button or go sleep in another room. When I am getting up super early like that and Kelsey's sleeping next to me, I will just I do just get up or I turn it super low and I put it just on the other side of my pillow. So I'm the only one who hears the alarm going through my pillow to try. I tell myself that she can't hear that. Whether it's true or not, I'm not quite sure. But it all leads to coach heading out to Austin to TMU, Texas Methodist University completely made up university. And you can kind of tell when they're walking through the stadium because I think there's some CGI, whatever stadium there and there's like a big like press box at the end of the stadium that is so out of place. It's CGI. I think we are the we are pressing the edges of our budget by putting a CGI press box up on whatever studio, a stadium he's walking through. But that, in his words, he gets hot, boxed and he gets forced into taking the job. How about this in my history? I don't know. Do you agree with me too? Because it's me, both brother. You know, I was like, Don't take the garbage out talking to you. And he's like, I'm sorry. I got high. I'm like, you. You guys just like smoke weed in a car, and you made this decision and then said yes to a job exactly like you were high. Like, that doesn't count. I think we're under the influence. Acceptance under the industry, not under the law, but it's not viable in court is the word I was looking for. I think the coach means he was not boxed in this regard as though he walked in and it was kind of an ambush and everybody was like, Look, we gave you the offer a couple of weeks ago. We've got another guy. He's gotten offers from other universities. We can't lose our second place guy. So you got to accept the job now or walk away from it for good. And as actors, we I mean, we get this sometimes like, you're you're you're just waiting for the universe to give you a sign like in the middle of pilot season where you've got a couple of projects, you're like, This one could go, Is it this one? Is it this one? How do I make the right choice? And someone says, we're going to walk away and you're like, Oh, I need to take it or I'll take it. Yeah, we've been there. We've been there. So I understand Coach's dilemma here and his his decision to take a big job without talking to your family, for God's sakes, especially she just woke up. She had a nightmare about it. It's like you're making your wife's nightmares come true. Jesus. Yeah, literally. Well, that does send us down the path of the rest of the episode. I figure we'll just we'll just stay with Coach and Tami throughout the rest of the episode here. And this gives us some of the best Taylor. Married couple conversations, I think that you see in Friday Night Lights this episode, and it mostly is just on Tammy's side. I mean, some of the some of the finest work that Connie Britton has ever done on the show was amazing. And the conversation, when she's like, she's like, Well, what if we serve them jumping around? But what have me and Julie say here? This is no, she's like, No, just no. Yeah, just no. Because I think I'm a jerk. Well, then in that in that situation, I'm not I'm not mature as a mature. I'm not a mature. I'm not mature that way. It's like, Yeah, well, it was so amazing. Yeah. Coach comes home and tells Tammy she's on the phone trying to get in touch with Tyra, who she hasn't heard from for a couple of days, and we'll get to that later. But he comes home and he's like, Look, they ambushed me. I took the job, but this is going to be great. And then he so and it's such a tone deaf manner in the scene that Zach was just talking about walks into the living room and says, I'm we're celebrating, I'm taking you all to dinner. This is like, and this is the tough thing, you know? In coaches field, he's worked so hard, so long to get to a point where he earns a job that could really support his family in a whole new way. And so he is rightfully excited about it. The same thing happens to us when we take a job and then they tell us in Toronto, I'm such an a*****e about this stuff. I'm like, I got this job where I mean, my family and I moved to Vancouver for a year and a half for some bulls**t I was doing. And then my wife is like, I'm up for this show and she's in Toronto. I'm like, Well, I mean, maybe I should stay home with kids and you go to Toronto. She's like, No, we're all going. I'm like, Well, like, we're all. I'm just like, I'm so Coachella. I'm like, No, it's my, it's my ride. We're all on it. Get off my right and get on my wife. I mean, you know, it's it's it's tough in this situation because you are you're fighting for success in this case as a couple. They've been kind of driving towards the same goal, but at some point it diverges a little bit and you have to be able to roll with the punches. I loved that the solution that she came up with, I thought it was so chic to be like, Listen, all I can control is my needs in this situation, and I this is a solution that if he's if you are, if he's not willing to budge on what he needs for himself, then why should she have to budge on what she needs for herself? I love that this whole arc, which is there's so much going on and it just comes down to she's like, No, yeah, no. Like, I know you get the big wig, whatever. It's not an option for all those compliments of like I wrote, it's like, I love you. I respect you. I'm proud of you. I'm madly in love with you. And she's like, Cool, cool. I'm not. Yeah, and our family, like, I have to go, she says. All that nice stuff. You're the best. We love you. And he's like, Great. So we're done fighting and she's like, Of course. It's like, Oh, I don't know to not be the boss. Yeah. So, you know, it's it's the way that carnie approaches these scenes. First of all, the the scene where he comes in that Zach had mentioned a couple minutes ago and they're sitting on the couch and. He walks and he says, we're going to dinner. Julie walks out of the room and he says now the door's going to slam. And then it slams and he goes wild. No, actually, I do. I never know that's going to. I know it's a very quiet closing of the door, though. Actually, I hope it's so funny because I actually thought like it didn't slam like she's landed. I heard her slam it. It's way down the hall. It's down there. It's not a door slam in my house, all the time in my face. I literally do our view like Gilford Door slams. No. Sounds like that's not a door slam. That was a closet. And that's what I actually thought I loved in that scene because I thought, like, he's like and now the door slams and it doesn't. It's like Coach. You don't know what you're talking like. You're so out of touch with your family that know it slams. They just they just under mics, the door slamming Harry, Aaron and Jeff Reiner. And as we know, it's difficult to mix audio, you know? You never know. It's hard to get the levels right and know in the comments. If you feel out the doors, I'll show you a door slam. I'm going to yeah, yeah. In the comments below. Tell us whether or not you heard a door slam. Let's get to the meat of the scene where Dean is demanding plain pour of wine. Jesus Christ. As usual, he gets more and more and more throughout this whole. It's to the brim. It's like you never do that. You're like, Oh my god, look, I can make like my drink, go over. It sits on top, and because the is over the glass, I'm like, You don't need to do that with wine. Like, there's water the bottle. You can refill it when you're out. You don't get it. We go over to the counter honey wine. OK, OK. Connie looks at this and says, Honey, come sit down with me. And it comes down, he sits down next to her and she goes, hi. And she smiles at him. She takes his hat off and he gets so immediately scared. He's like, Oh no, what is happening? I don't, I don't. I don't like what is happening here. She's like, Why not? Why? Why? What's going on? It's OK. Everything's fine. And then she does. She pitches in the idea and his his immaturity in that moment is driven just by his. Yeah, but he doesn't want to be away from his family. He said if you're if you're not together in the same house, how can you be a family? But it's also like you have to have that conversation. I feel like he could have had that in a more mature way. He could have been like, Listen, I hear you. I respect you. And that's a really interesting thing. I'll think about it. I have serious reservations about being away from you, and I want to really get into the whatever, whatever, you know, not being like, No, I'm a baby now. I'm a big baby now now. But you know, he's a big debate coach we know is reactionary and just needs a couple of minutes. And then he starts to really get it at the at the roast. You know, they do like this little little party to send the team off to state where they're all, Oh, how about a roast? I have such I have. I really got to say, unless it's drag queens, reading me a roast is like off the table. I don't find it appealing. OK, we're on to the roast for a minute and I have to throw it away. Why is it just like sausage, sausage, sausages, the sausage fest? And I mean, figuratively, like everyone shoving sausage in their mouth? And I was like, thought, because you're in Texas and Texas and Texas style pepper sausage is fake roast. It's a sausage, bro. What do you think there's going to be brisket? May I'm too literal, so we're all analytical book club thing, OK? And. I laughed my a*s off out loud to the point where I was crying. And Taylor Kitsch goes. How about Saracens leave with coach order? It's really good. This is what happens when you make an athletes your comedy line reading of the whole season. Yeah, that to me was like, Oh my God, this joke is so gold, I can't even get through it without laughing. And then, like, the crickets are obvious, but like even without the crew, even if the whole crowd went wild, like his reading to me, it was like I left my a*s off to. And here's the secret about all of this. That's not the scripted line, so. So Kitch had held on to that. He'd known he wanted to say that probably four days, right? So we like it bursts out of him as though he had been waiting for days to say that line. It plays the actual line that is in the script is he gets up there and he like grunts and he like shuffles and he looks at coach and he's like, I told you, I can't do this. And then he looks at he goes, Everybody on the team are jerks, and then he walks away. My God, that's what those big break ins line, but instead get to know me. It just took me back to a time like just working with Taylor. We're just like when something is funny to Taylor, it bursts out of him and the way he delivered that line. Just how did you not burst out laughing when they did it? I mean, if you were in the room, I'm pretty sure we did. And then Tony, our first agent, ran around. I'm sure Tony ran around to everybody of us like guys, guys, guys. It's like everyone just needs to be. I know this. I know this role was funny, but just we need two minutes of just you sitting there like awkwardly, you know, having your eyes filled around the room. Hey, guys. I love this time of year. Spring going into summer, it's time for renewal, and for me, that means reconnecting with friends and family I haven't seen for a while. You know, we're all getting time off soon, and when I do, I want to make sure I plenty of wine on hand for us to celebrate with. That's why I have firstly. Well, you know, at this time of year means to me, it means it's hot outside. Yes, that means I'm drinking that white wine. And guess what? I'm not drinking a chardonnay like Tami Taylor. I want to get into some different stuff. Do you know what a Mueller third goal is? I don't, but I bet the people at first leaf do. Oh, well, they told me all about it, and it's basically Germans white wine. It's a cross between a Riesling with no one wants to drink, except it's actually good at first. Leaf gives you the right wine. I'm telling you first leaf is the bomb of not just drinking Cali Pinot Noir anymore. I'm all. I'm in Germany drinking their white wine because it was so easy. I gave them the quiz. 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There's another line in the row that I just isn't scripted, that I was like, wasn't sure how it played. You're not the father from smashed to. And then there's a room full of adults, all like cheering and laughing at the fact that the 17 year old kid doesn't have many children at this point. I don't know. That kind of threw me a little bit. That was funny. I'm a monster. I was like, That's a good one. I was pretty good. That's pretty high. I appreciated that. Yeah, it's a special skill to be able to read people and have it be funny. Toe the line between funny and true or like mean and true and not funny. And it's just such a specific skill. And that's why I again like when they do it on Drag Race. I mean, you just there's no better readings to get roasted by than like a drag queen who's like, excellent at doing it. That s**t is brilliant. But when you're watching some like sausage fest, no events like roasting. Oftentimes I'm like, Oh my god, this is really not funny. Well, you know, I think, you know, it depends on the environment, even Erin. And I think, you know, a team environment is a pretty easy place for a roast to happen. I feel like these guys do it to each other, probably every single day. I mean, on my football team, in high school, our team's motto was mountain movers. The year that I was there because they had lost so many seasons in a row and out of nowhere, we made the playoffs and made a deep run and they're like, we can move mountains. And so like, we had this celebratory banquet, we'd have a banquet, but we would give out superlatives, and a lot of them were on the, you know, laziest side or the, you know, least likely to know his playbook award or like whatever those were. So it was a roast in a way, but I feel like a team environment lends itself well, I think, to a roast situation. I don't think you ever want to be roasted by complete strangers. Maybe the people that's been roasting you is is if it's going to ever happen in a positive way. But leave it to Tammy to turn the roast into a. A teach kill them with kindness. Kill them with kindness. Jab in the coach and Tami fight about. I like she kind of like threatens him. No, I like that she doesn't like. She's like, before it goes on, there's this like threat of like, is she going to say something? Is it going to be whatever? And it's like, there's like, I like that she kind of keeps him on edge of like this. There's just like this danger there until it actually goes down. And yeah, of course, she does it in the chic, best way possible. Yeah. And she does it by reminding him just how much everybody in this community has meant to them and does still mean to them, right? And kind of like saying her goodbye before saying goodbye. Go ahead. When she realizes do like, nope, not doing it, we're staying here. I mean, there's so much that I honestly like. This cheesy roast is kind of such a pivotal moment for so many of the arcs. And the thing I mean, you know, we kind of talked about the end scene where Tami says, No, we're not going. And there's also this is like the culmination of like Smash. He's got his hall pass and you know, he's when he gets to be smashed like, you know, I don't think we need to like, dwell on this too much. But like he like, Oh, I get to be smash. And like he finds like the emptiness in it and he misses Waverly, and he's like, Oh, I could go party with this young woman, but I want to go bring. I wrote in my notes, I was like, He's going to go deliver some sausage. Oh, okay. He also is going to bring her up was. Yes. But you realize this being the smash is in all its hyped up to be, yeah, we crave this human connection. And then he goes, and you know, we see the connection between them. And then it's kind of like how in Europe, the drinking thing, where it's like kids, like younger people are allowed to drink. And so they're kind of like, and I don't want to it's sort of like having that freedom to make their own choice, not trying to fit the infrastructure of what they're supposed to do, according to someone else. That kind of is the thing that actually allows them to find their own truth and realize they don't even want it. Exactly. And so then goes to Waverly and we see like, Oh, this is a real connection, and where's this going to go? And we'll find out. But then it's also and I want to like, hit this. It's this like one of my favorite moments and one of the most amazing moments between Jessie and and Annie. There's a lot of emotions at this roast of a lot of storylines, and it's kind of. It's really impressive how well the writers did it and the directors and everything, but one of the most moving scenes to me is the culmination of this episode story between Tyra and Landry. I love them. I love them together. I'm like these two, the two smartest, most interesting people with the most potential, the most expansive thinking. I just like the fact that they found each other. And again, it's a testament to the writers and the actors of sort of like creating these really full people that you think are sort of on the opposite on the surface, like ends of things. And then you're like, Oh. But it actually makes complete sense that they would find each other in this situation. And seeing them together is so beautiful. You know, it's just in this town. So often somebody needs someone to talk to or someone to be there for them. And a lot of times somebody doesn't step up. But in Tyrus case, in this episode, you know what happened to her last episode? Jesse and and Landry really do step up for her. He goes to check on her. She hasn't been in school for a couple of days. We hear that Tammy's been trying to get a hold of her. Julie's been trying to get a hold of her, so we get the sense through other people's storylines that she's really isolated herself. And when they enjoy shows up at her house, she's like, Look, I just don't want to talk about this. I wanted to all just go away. And and that's just it. It's not that big of a deal. My mom's out of town. I'm just taking it a little bit of time. And Landry immediately knows, No, this is this is a big deal. And he goes to you for advice. He goes over to Grandma Saracens house with with Matty there and there's a there's a great scene where you're you're just you're like, Wait, you weren't even at Mudville. Like, where you been, man, I need to know what happened with you in the land. You know the the Landry Collette date. Like what happened with that? Did you profess your love? And he very quickly lets you know that, no, this is actually serious business. It's so difficult. I mean, to hold something like that that is someone else's most intimate truth. I have been in this situation in high school and I where I was the only person that someone told about a situation and the way that it like eight me up inside. It was so complicated and so difficult because the level of trust and the level of feeling like, Oh, this really isn't my thing to open up or discuss. But at the same time, it's really I know that it's not something and you know, you watch you watch what ends up happening, you know, at the police station and you go, Well, yeah, no wonder people don't come forward. I mean, my God. And that's life. And that's like a light example. You're in there for like 15 hours getting poked and prodded, and it's like it couldn't be more of a traumatic experience. So it's like adding knowing that you're going to be adding that trauma and opening up this can of worms, it's really not yours, like it's a really difficult place to be in, you know? Yeah, I remember. I just want to say two things quick pin a the scene between me and Jessie. I was watching it. I was like, Man, this could have been such a TV moment and totally like, it just was like so honest and cool and like, that's all Reiner and the writers. And then I will say, because we're not going to go back to scenes later. So it's like Landry shows up with this terrible news about Tyra. And then like, later that night, Julie shows up with me. Like, That's just like, Yeah, you're getting Landry shows up and I go through this. I'm like, Dude, this is good. You got to do something. And then you're like, Finally, my girlfriend, I'm going to go back to that. Oh my, Grover's here what? You're moving away. Like, I was sitting there and you got yelled at earlier, like in football, they said, Not a damn royalty, the rapper. Why do you just call little matt thereason in front of? You're not even allowed to have a single, literal world. Anything like this is just another example. Wait for state before you wait this day, I'm waiting. They're their. Gets his comeuppance anyway. Back to back to Landry. Entire. But even when Saracen tried to go to bed at 7:30 and then Landry showed up at his house, he was able to give good advice was he was roused from his slumber and he said, No, you have to talk to someone. So Landry goes to Tami, which I think is the right person to go to in this situation. And Tammy kind of takes the reins. And where to go now? Yeah. Be ready to go to coach. That influences. I think this situation is is a huge influence on what we just talked about, about Tammy being like, I have to stay here. This is serious s**t. And like, I'm glad you have football. And you know, she's respects his football seriousness, but like, he doesn't even know the severity of of what she's dealing with and how much these people need her and how serious that is, you know, and and she really feels a responsibility to these kids of being like, there isn't anyone else they can go to to talk to about these things that knows how to handle them, you know? Yeah. And the way that Tiger is treated, it's like her worst fears come true, they go to the police station and and she's getting grilled about everything. She's the one that has to get photographed and and when she comes out of this experience, she's frustrated. She's angry. And what is she? Say, Scott Landry here? And Landry Landry's, like, you know, can I give you a ride home? And she says, you are nothing but apathetic, smelly geek and I don't want I don't ever want to talk to you again. My feelings would be so hurt I would. I don't care if someone would call me the worst names on the planet, but if they said I was pathetic and smelly, I'm like, I think that is like, that is better, smelly geek. But this line that I'm fine, that's fine, but smelly, smelly, smelly is that I know, and she doesn't even later say, you're not smelly, which I was like telling me is not smelly. Come on, we're all waiting for the resolution there. You know, when never comes. It's just it comes out in a way. And this is nanny, just, you know. She was fantastic in this episode, as she is all the time. But with her and Jesse working together, there is a different kind of chemistry than we are used to seeing in the show. And this one is is it's just interesting to see the two of them work together, and they're both so fantastic as actors. But yeah, that leads us to the roast. You know, there's some other things that happened in between. Tim Tim's had a tough time this episode. Jackie broke up with him. He he, you know, he's not going to be able to hang out with his new best friend, Beau, anymore. I know I'm like, That sucks because he's like a good dad. I mean, I get that. He's like 11, but you don't want to hurt Beau. But what? You know, I agree. I think that's right. You got to put your kid first. It's just s**tty because you keep forgetting because Taylor Kitsch is actually thirty five. You're like, and why he's making he's a good dad. Like he's treating the kid well. Thirty five or whatever, you know what I'm saying? He's also not 17. Yeah, that particular scene for Riggins and Jackie, there's a lot more to that scene when she breaks up with them at the truck and says, You know, this is just for Beau. We can't do this. And in the in the script, as he's mine, we're like, Yeah, duh, you're done. As you might know and say, no. And like, I don't even know he's your son. And the script as she's walking away, he says. I'm happy and she turns around and she says, I'm sorry, what did you say? And he says, I'm happy. Like, is it really so hard for anyone in this world to believe that I can be happy? And that's what I am with you and with Beau. I'm happy and I'm good with a question mark. And then he looks at and he goes. Beau likes me. You like me. I can be a father figure for him. Yes, girl, when I'm with you, I'm I'm good and I can do this. Is that so hard to believe in? Because if you're going to be a good father figure, you'd wash your hair. You are not wrong. But the point is it's just they didn't lean into it. You know, what is she saying back to that? She says, great, I just can't, and then she walks away, I mean, it's the same ending as you are under. You know? Yeah, right. But it's it is like, honestly, we've seen little moments of Reagans like seeming like he's truly happy and a kid who has like a normal life, like when his dad and him hit it off for like a single day together. There's like this light, and Riggins and I see why the audience just so wants to root for those moments to be he's not drinking. He's like, he's responsible. He's taking care of him. I love that sweet moment where he's like, where he's, you know, when he's when Beau's like, Let's hang out because my mom says, you can't because you're football, but maybe I can't, because we're friends. And, you know, Riggins is like, No, you know, she's right or whatever. And she he's like, Oh, OK, Riggins? And then she goes, You know, hey, who pushes Beau around? And he's like, Nobody pushes ball around. And I was like, Come on, give me a break. So that was our that was our show motto, and that wasn't actually scripted. That was just simply our show motto. Nobody pushes us around, and that was the two of them working it in the script. And it does make my heart breaks for Beau because the entire time you've seen Beau on this show, he's always doing these play scenarios where he's always talking about Beau passing to Beau and Beau catching it and Beau shooting. And you could tell he's an only child who's played alone for so long. And then he'll be all right and he'll be all right. But but friends? But this leads Riggins to to try and reach out for a different form of connection. And yeah, he goes back to Tyra and she calls a spade a spade like she always does. And he's like, I just want to hang out as friends. And she's like, Do you know what a friend is? Let me define a friend for you. And she puts it, I'm going to sleep with you to make your life better or whatever it is. But he says, I'm not here for that, and I believe him. Do you believe him? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, if it happened, you know things that you lose yourself in the moment. I really do. So there's a story there. I mean, he's just a pathetic, smelly, hot guy. Okay. Then smelly. But that's you guys. Yes. Pathetic, smelly geek. And I get ready for this smelly geek to smell his way right into your loins is about the pathetic, smelly, hot guy. Yeah, the the show. The show to this point has built up the Landry Clarke proclaiming his love for for for Tyra Collette as a joke. Whether it's Saracen or anybody else that's referencing it, whether it's July, whether it's Tyra herself. It's just been built up to this point where the audience can't possibly buy in on a declaration of love until Jesse Plemons kicks down your doors and says, I can act my a*s off and guess what? What he says to Tyra after the roast. The things that he says, the way that Jesse delivers it. You know, I have to believe that there's somebody out there better for you. Somebody out there who won't cheat on you. Somebody out there who won't come home drunk late at night. Someone who will show up and say, Oh my god, like Jesse crushes that scene. I have a little tingle, makes what you thought was going to be a joke into one of the most honest, most impressive proclamations of love and I buy. So I saw anybody falling for somebody like that because he's not just words. He is action as well, and he should be. And that's also like you could see like any like, you know, it's acting without talking. You see her here. What do you say and you do that, Eric, or make a realization of like the change? Oh my god, I deserved a nice. I would be nice to me, but like a yes, everything you just said may but be also like, Oh my god, this person sees me and like, I see them in a whole different way, right? And I see myself in a whole different way. I see the possibility of myself accepting a love that's actually equal or to me or greater or something that I deserve, as opposed to me thinking that I don't deserve a better love or a love like that. I mean, he's telling her, this is you can have that and you should have that and you deserve that. And I feel like you can see her sort of like open up to that possibility. And that's that's a life changing moment. And if I may. And I'm sorry if we can, I may Segway. But in that moment, like may I have I heard that one before I felt the same thing in the scene in the car with you and Susie Q Wow, I'm a poet. I don't even know it, girl. These Segways that are happening. Go, what was it about the car scene when you're in the car? And I see and she's like, You're fine, you're fine, too. It was just one of those moments where I'm like, This is an 18 year old who, yeah, he's married. He's the best guy in the world, but we've all been there. We were like, Oh my God, this is the most like, this is the stuff movies are made of. It's this moment where, Oh, I happen to run into this girl when she's buying a ticket, there was a chemistry that she lives in a different town. But now we're together, we're in this car. It all seems magical. And I'm telling you in that moment watching that scene, I loved it because it seemed so real and I bought it because I was like, I've been there. I had that moment when I was 18 17. I'm putting knowing the fan card down, which is, you know, I think everything that you guys are saying is for me as a fan and the voice of the fans here, for me, this is such a huge part of why I love this show and what draws me to this show. And it's like, it's almost like it encapsulates that magic, that nostalgia, that feeling that you have when you are that age and or any age, that moment, like you're saying, you run into someone, there's. The wind blows in a certain way. It's a summer night. There's a thing. There's a connection, there's a magic. It's like there's this very specific feeling. And I think we all like long to feel it. We've all felt that we know what it's like. And there you're able to really tune back into that nostalgic feeling in a really honest way on this show. And I think that's really hard to to genuinely capture that in a way that doesn't feel manipulative or saccharine. And I feel like it's what it's personally. What really makes me love this show so much? Yeah. And for me, it's a surprise that they're able to bring all the time. They do it in such a fresh way that it does still feel surprising. I I couldn't remember if Suzy came back after after Stonehenge, too. Yeah, I really couldn't as lasses at all. And then, you know, she shows up and I'm filling out some paperwork because I'm new gainfully employed coach for the Dillon Panthers, which is that's pretty exciting. And like you said, there's like a whole new sister lives in Dillon. Yeah, there's there's a whole new you're right to be here. Well, the point is is that the fridge for delivering the fridge to her sister now makes a lot more sense. Her sister moved to Dillon. She's got to help her. You know, I didn't even get together. All that was like, Whatever, you're here, just make out bridge in the car that had it. Yeah, I'm going to use that one. I sorry, I got a fridge in the cart. Where did you say you just go? So, yeah, no, I got to do it. Chris, what are the odds? I have a fridge, but this is where the whole, like the editors, reigns supreme on this show as well. Like, I mean, they won an Emmy on this show before anyone else on this show, before any actor, writer director won an Emmy on this show? Our editors did. And you know, that has a lot to do with Reiner and what he's choosing to cut, but in this? So alone, there is a huge scene with Leila and Jason where he goes to break up with her, and she has just come from the family meeting and her parents have just told her they are officially getting a divorce. And in that moment, he doesn't do it, whether he can't and he should. But like, what is that is an impossible choice. I still we have to end even though all this stuff is happening, you know? And he he chooses not to tell her. There's a big scene with Leila and Waverly shooting guns out in the out by the quarry again, where they're talking about their own personal worth, their own personal value. And and then there's one last scene with with Herc, and street and Street is like, I should not be going to get a bite to eat with Susie in the midst of all of this. And Herc is saying life is to be lived moment to moment. We should know better than anyone else. Everything you think you know now can change in an instant. So you got to trust your gut. And so like, there's a lot of advice like flying around a lot of moments where this break up should have happened, quite frankly. And and it's just a shame that it ends the way that it ends. I wish to close the door and when, especially when you're that age, I feel like closing doors is so scary because you haven't done it enough times to know that like, it's OK and that you know, you never there's never anything you can't completely move on from or take back or adjust or whatever it's like it's. And I feel like I know when I was a teenager, especially, it was so scary because you feel like you're making these huge choices that are going to affect the rest of your life, and you don't know if you're equipped to do that. And especially, I think with men, no offense. I've noticed there's like it's sometimes it comes down to if unless I absolutely have to. Why would I? I don't think it like necessarily the emotional weight of, you know, all these things is maybe playing and zooming around in your head at all times. Not all, not all. I'm, you know, I get it. I understand, but I'm just saying I thought, You know what I mean? There's like this like, yeah, there's this like thing where it's sort of like, you know, the the the concept that, you know, maybe you're not as good at multitasking. It's like there's this direct line of thinking of being like, why would I go out of my way and do this other thing when I don't even know for sure the thing or whatever? It's like a kind of like, especially when you don't have the tools and it kind of gets this door just gets slammed for him, you know? I mean, I mean, the thing is, at the end of the day, I feel like this is a I feel like Lilly's discovery of this moment of Susie and street in the car. I feel like as though it was a relief for everybody and the fact that nobody could. Nobody could be honest to the point of just ending this thing. And so it was almost done for them. And and I think it was a relief for the viewers to to kind of be like, OK, this saga is done for now. You know, St Lila Riggins, the trauma that happened after ST's injury, how they all dealt with it. Mistakes were made. Lessons are to be learned. But I feel like coming out of this, maybe possibly the role changed for the better. I think Lyla maybe understands her own worth way more. I want you to be free. Yeah, 100 percent and street needs to street needs to stop holding on to everything that he was pre. I mean, he even says it when he proposes to Lyla. I want to be a better man despite my injury instead of being the man I was before it. And and he still hasn't done that. He said it, but it's as though he's not brave enough to step out there that the fallout from this hopefully makes them. I like it when Lyla throws the ring. I love a good ring. Yes, I think that is so cool. I know it's like, I hope I never have to do that. Like in in my first time she did it. First time she did it. She caught me right in the side of the head. That kind of hurt, kind of hurt. I told her she needs to do some better aim. But the second time she did it, she threw it into the wheel. Well, the car, it's just so it's so appealing. Like it, just there's no better button on a like. It's over than like a regular gloves around, and I could take them off and slap him in the face with that. That's the version, because no one's giving me a ring to throw it. I mean, I guess I could throw my way with my wife, but maybe we'll get you like a little ring that you can toss around the studio for when you're a plant? Yeah, I mean, like flag on that play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we I think that's mostly it. I mean, we touched on almost all the storylines, you know, the Smash and Waverly saga where we released not breaking up a smash, but kind of like letting him try and ended on his own. And he he comes to his senses and stays with her. Zack mentioned that and we we talked about pretty much everybody else. I think it's safe to move into overtime, and I think overtime might be just a little bit longer today because the thing I want to talk about in overtime involves two of our hosts here today. So I'll let. I'll let the other overtimes go first and then I'll bring up my not with that kind of. Yeah, no panic. It looks like your significant other being like, we got to talk after work, I'm like, No, no, I can't f**king work all day because I know there's some s**t we're going to have to talk about. OK, so I mentioned some of the under review stuff. And, you know, the editors, the way that they worked on this episode was pretty incredible. I mean, the the buddy Garrity. Divorce situation happened right after the credits, but they lifted it, put it towards the end of the episode, so it happened right before Lyla discovering St and that the impact that that made on the episode was huge. Quite often they cut a ton because the writers seem to not know that we shot our long episode, so there's no way that we could possibly fit anything in here. There's a big scene with Mayor Rydell and Tami Taylor, as Tami is still, here's a storyline we've forgotten about her campaign manager for her re-election campaign. You remember that episode happened in a long time ago. Mayor Rendell invites the Taylors over to her house. Oh, that's them, you know? Yeah, that whole thing that came out. And Mayor Rendell seems to know that coach is probably accepting this TMU job and the cut that they cut. Like I said, the big scene with Lyla and Jason, where he's he's trying to break up with her, but her parents are getting divorced and she's getting ready to go cheer. But one scene that I was really bummed about actually is a part of a storyline that we didn't talk about today, and that is Jason Street actually becoming the quarterback coach for Matt Saracen. One of my favorite scenes I ever worked on on this show, and I. I roll into Coach's office and he unscripted, and he did this to me every single time I wrote the door said something new to me. The one that made the episode was, you're 15 minutes late. And I was like, What do you talk about, though? I'm I'm here. What he said. I was like, No, you're 15, but don't argue with me. I'm like, OK. And then he brings Matt and he's like, This any government you so crabby? Yeah, that that scene is that was one of my favorite scenes ever, ever to work on. And the rest of that scene goes as scripted. Actually, the laurels don't rest on your laurels. You don't have any laurels. All of that scripted, beautifully scripted by Carey Aaron and and Carter Harris here, that back and forth is awesome, but but the street is got his like. He's got his little khaki pants on, like at the end, he's like, I'm the new girl in town. I'll take care of Julie for you. Don't worry about that. We're going to have lunch. I usually have lunch with Julie. It's like, Yeah, it's a girlfriend who gives him like, Of course you do. But this is, you know, nobody knows everything else that's going on. You know, she's leaving, you know, coaches already taking a job. So Saracens got a much different look at this. But there was a huge scene on Page 32 of the script, and it was a big film session scene between me and you. Zach and I wish I was in the studio to the listening audience. I unfortunately have COVID, so I'm at home right now. I wish I was there, but we're breaking down film of Texas and Oklahoma and it's about two pages long and we're going back and forth with each other. And and and I miss this in the episode because it's a reminder of because and this is the beauty of the show, and I don't miss it for this reason. I don't miss the scene being here because we don't need a reminder. I think people at this point are starting to see Jason is just a character on the show, as opposed to see seeing Jason as a character with an injury. But this was a reminder of of everything I say. Look, the only difference between you and me is that I would learn everything I could about every team I played against, and then I would learn everything I could about every player on that field. When I walked on that field, I knew who was fast, who was smart, who got tired, who got frustrated, who I could pick on. I knew I had to respect that's being prepared. You don't understand that at some point in every game. It would all come together. You think you're working, but you're not. When life throws a puzzle at you, you have to be able to put it together. And it should be easy. It should be like pieces falling into place. It should. It should be like you being able to create order from chaos. And I would know exactly how to win that game. And that's why you're not ready. So anyway, the scene. Because that's a terrible monologue, and they've worked in time, like you done under review, like Smash said, that's a Riggins like you. It's like we find it. We did it the one time where we kept you like, Oh, Saracens, different, he listens to Bob Dylan. That's always exactly what we get. Slayer understands all the play like they've done this speech a thousand times. It's not a good speech. It's just meeting TV. You don't need it. Well, we see you where the Landry to your Tyra Saracen? We see you. We know what you're you see. We know you love to listen to alt rock. It's it's okay. Yeah, but because they hear Mr. Right side, we get it. I don't know how strong, you know. I loved it. I loved the monologue. But you know, at the very end of the scene, I say, if you're just going out there to. Run plays and playbook, you're just a kid in a pretty costume running drills. You want to be great and sit down and understand that this is how you win in life. But yeah, you're right, it's a monologue that's not needed. And it's why the people making the decisions on this show were so, you know, invaluable because I see all these monologues and I think they're all great. But are they all needed? No. I think the show did a fantastic job of making Jason Street a character that you saw as just a character in the show and no longer a character who was injured or a character whose injury was his only storyline. I feel like Jason offered so much more, and that's because of the people that were writing and the people that were in charge and the people that were making decisions. So my over time was just bummed that we lost a scene. Zach, but I'm so grateful to everybody involved in creating Street that they were able to so let people just see him as a as a human being and as a character and not a not a walking injury. I think I know that's why all the time. I think what I was trying to say about that scene in the car, I know at times you were like, Oh, people are going to like me or I don't like street or whatever. But that seemed to me really. It was like, this is like it just was so authentic. And even though you were doing the complete wrong thing, I was like, I got it and it was OK and I wasn't mad at you because I was like, this, we've all been there, and this is exactly where you're going to do, and it's a magical moment. Life is messy. Yeah, life super messy and serious issues like crime up your nose when it comes to mental note. Life's a mess. You never know when your nose is going to bleed. Totally. I my over time is that I one time was driving to Disneyland and I got a bloody nose and I didn't have any tissues, and all I had was a tampon and I had to put a tampon in my nose. Oh my gosh. Pretty funny. Anybody listening who doesn't understand what that particular overtime is in reference to, it's Zach got a little bloody nose and he has a big stick out of his nose. This is the episode gone to YouTube and check it out. Our little tapioca pudding got a bloody nose in the middle. Zach, what was your overtime? Oh my God, I don't know. I, you know, we kind of hit on everything, and I think it was, Oh, well, I did have one, but I don't remember. I think I just I was really impressed by this episode. I, my wife came downstairs as there was literally like 30 seconds left and she's like, Are you crying? What was they cancel his plane? Of course I'm crying. Yes, that was good. I like to hear that took me back. I was I was less of a killer's girl and more of a Jose Gonzalez girl. That is, I think the third time they've used that song in the show, and it always seems to hit it super hard. I don't think we have time for press box today. Apologies, everybody out there. That has been so many questions. We see them all and we are very excited to get to them. It's just this episode was so jam packed that there were eight scenes that were cut that were also very meaningful and we didn't even get to all the storylines. So we're going to end it after over time today and next week, we should be having a special guest on with us. Next week is going to be Gaius Charles, the smash himself on with us to talk about his time on Friday Night Lights, so we will get an idea of what Gaius is. Journey on the show was and we can't wait to share that with you. We can't wait to see you next Thursday for another episode of It's Not Only Football Friday Night Lights and beyond that, until we do, we say Texas. Forever, forever. Oh my gosh. Now. Hi, guys. I'm John Glover. Emmy award winning researcher John Glover, and I'm a recipient and critically unexplained TV writer, Marisa Pinzon, and we're the host of the new podcast on Brand with John and Marissa. 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