Fall is in the air. The apple trees are flush with fruit and while the kids love hot apple cider, those of us old enough to partake 21, have fermented cider to look forward to. But this isn't really a seasonal drink anymore. Coming up on this episode, a cider revolution. We're not talking about the sweet stuff, but rather, drier, leaner fermented cider that's made by top-notch brewmasters. Rick and Steve are joined by Hayley Shine, the "Lady of Liquids" at Eris Brewery and Cider House in Chicago, then Kim Vavrick, Communications Director for Virtue Cider, joins us to talk about their style of cider.