Breaking the Rules: Insider Secrets from a Former CIA Agent and Author of 'Company Rules' | Mike Baker

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Yeah, yeah, that's kind of a good idea. Yeah, that's next step. Oh, a barn. I want a barn. Yeah, I want a barn. So I'm going to get a horse. I don't have a Studio Ghibli cause I don't think I could handle a horse or a dog is enough. We'll take you for drinking rosé with me today. Of course, I'm really doing OK, but I was so sick yesterday and I was like, No, I'm drinking today. And then I felt better today, and I was like, one night and I don't drink for me, you know, drinking for me. I'm definitely drinking for me. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you. You're in Nashville and you had a show at Zanies? Yeah, I heard Hornick. They told me they couldn't get enough of your wine that you just completely sold it out and that you recommended we need more wine. And they were like, No, this will be enough in your audience. That did happen. That did happen. I'll call everyone. I think, you know, the vinyls and every time they just blow my mind like something. I was at the Taylor Swift concert the other night, and she said something so cute. She was like, I just always have this fear that you guys are all going to get sick of me, and that is my fear. And every time they just show up, I'm like, You're not sick of me yet. Yeah, what is that, though? What's that? Have you like labeled? Is it an imposter thing? Is it like you're waiting to figure out that I'm not who you think I am? Maybe or this goes deep. I did a like really deep kundalini yoga therapy the other day, and she got to the root of 18 year old Kaitlyn from when my parents divorced and it was like a whole thing around. I felt shame in their divorce, and I was like, none of my other friends. Parents are getting divorced. And this must mean something is wrong with my family, and I went into like a shame spiral at that point in my life. But I never really like healed it because I was I was like, What my friends are? My parents are best friends and they still do Sunday dinners, and that's like a healthy divorce. And that doesn't affect me. But I buried it. And now I think I feel like I'm people's like what they look up to. And I feel like, what if I bring them shame? Or what if I all of a sudden do something where they're like, that doesn't seem like Kaitlyn anymore? And I'm like, They are just sick of me and I is this this is really no, because it's natural that the audience is going to project the best in you. You're like, Yeah, but there are days where I'm sick. There are days when I'm snappy, where I, you know, hate what I'm doing. And I think I that's why I try so hard to show that kind of stuff on social media, too, because I don't want I don't want to be an unrealistic version of myself to other people. And I want to I feel like I'm on this planet to like, shine a light. I'm not high right now, I swear to God, but I feel like I'm supposed to shine some sort of light on imperfections instead of trying to be perfect and like even I'll have imposter syndrome. I posted a bathing suit pic the other day and I was like, Oh my God, that's not me. But then also, I guess it can be. I can be both. Yeah, you certainly can. Yeah, but yeah, so often will. We won't resolve our previous issues because we just move on to the next thing in life. You're 18, you're becoming an adult. You're moving on. And then finally, we get to an age because we're about the same age where you start to like, have some, some space, you're like, Oh yeah, I'm so over. I'm so overbearing to my mom emotionally, and I'm not. And you realize where you could have been better and realizing that things don't have to be perfect. Yeah, all that. Do you go to therapy? No. And you know yourself. I said it like I. I've done the therapy hack where I just talk to people about their therapy. That's actually pretty genius. That would save you. A lot of my therapy is listening to you. Talk about your inner child or, oh s**t, that's really the most. Every I've had is three years. When you really start to talk about like, you're not your mom's this, I'm like, You great, Dave. Basically, what you're getting at is, you know, a lot more about me than sometimes I think I know myself, I you have to use your research I've done. It's so creepy. I feel when I meet people, I'm like, I know a lot about you because I mean, yeah, you're I don't just say this you, you're unapologetically authentic. And so many people try to be the opposite of that that they just want to please everybody and do especially, you know, they're on a show where people are going to scrutinize you for every move you make. And you know, you probably have to apologize more than a lot of people. Not not you specifically, but when you're authentic, everyone's not going to vibe with that. But when you keep that like you said, you want to be someone who like spreads love when you keep on that path. People's energy will shift to rise to you in a way. I appreciate you saying that because that's something I think I want to see happen because I feel so proud of this community that I've built. And then on top of the community, they've built their own community of people. And I just always want people to kind of like, grow with me and fall with me and fail and like, see my ups and downs, but then still be supportive. And you know what I mean? Like, I never want people to just turn on me and be like, You're canceled. But you know, it must be tough for for someone in your position is you're allowed to feel your feelings, but an audience that doesn't follow your every step and move, they might go, why? Why does she get anxiety? She's got it all. Yeah, and that's got to be a hard place because to some people, maybe you do have it all, but you're still a human who's battling all the emotions, and you really do realize all the things you're researching. You know, you got the Mirrorball trophy, you know, and that's great. But it's like, OK, now what else do I have? I not resolved, and you know, you're still going to feel your anxiety and things like that. I'll always feel that. And it's crazy that you say that because it was one of those things where and I remember talking to Hannah Brown about this, too, where she thought once I win the Mirrorball, like, OK, then I'll be happy. Or once you do this because then you've accomplished and you've accomplished and everybody always thinks, what's next with my accomplishments? What am I doing? But for anyone listening, you could reach your highest goal and you still have to deal with all your inner demons that come along with those where that is fun in the moment, but it's fleeting and it's like, OK, well, now I did that, and then you get that addiction to it where you go, what can I do next? So do you have something like that? Or you're like, OK, I did this. Now I want to achieve this. It's every day. It's every stand up bit, you write, and it's a dopamine thing. I'm a huge sugar addict, so it's dopamine because you want it in some people, channel it through sex, through drugs, alcohol, whatever, but you're just chasing this high. And if you think you finally got to the finish line. News flash, you didn't in that for your bank account might look crazy good, but you're not there. That's going to wear off. You know, most like lottery winners blow through their money because they just realize that ain't it. And you can. Still, you still it's still good to pursue all these things. But like whatever that itch is you want to scratch, you have to find like the healthy way to do it because all the superficial ways are not going to lead to any sort of like feelings of like, like long lasting, why do most people can't figure that out? Like, why do you think? Because I'm in there, too. Why do you think it's so hard when we know what the right thing to do is? We know that it's not the numbing, the addictions, the next big thing we know that's never going to solve our problems. Why is it so hard to dig that deep and figure it out? I think you're more of an achiever than a lot of people. I think a lot of people, you know, I'm it's a tough place out there right now for a lot of people. Yeah, they're realizing they're, you know, we have our health care dangled on our employment, which as a Canadian, I don't know what you think of that, but it's like ridiculous. It's like, Hey, we have good health care perks, so you should work for us. The Caddy here with it. But it's like most people don't get out of that rut, so they don't even get to the creative fulfilling side of things. So they don't even know what will come when they get to that level. So for me, you know, I do stand-up. I yeah, you write a joke. The feeling of new laughter is that that's like new sex. I guess you just like that's that's this new thing, and it's amazing. But then once you know the joke works, that dopamine doesn't hit the same way. And it's like, Let's write the next thing. Yeah, and that's probably a healthy way to go over. As long as I don't bash myself when I'm writing new things that don't work, it's like, No, I'm growing, I'm experimenting, I'm taking risks. You're going to businesses that fail, but you're going to try and you're going to ones that succeed. So when you were younger, were you the same way that I was like, You have always been this achiever and you wanted to like, do stand up like, how did you grow up as a kid? I didn't think standup was an option because I only saw Chris Rock, YouTube and the internet has made it so people can see the growth of, like getting to a place like growth mindset. Yeah, it's just amazing. You just didn't know. That sounds like Chris Rock's amazing. You know, he sells out, you know, Madison Square Garden, and that's the only stand by. So it wasn't until I went to an open Mike and I was like, Whoa, you're right. Which, by the way, we're going to get you into stand up. That's my main goal today is to get you anything you want to get a healthy dopamine fix. I mean, there's some unhealthy aspects of stand up, but yeah, there's a lot that scares your freaking hilarious. I'm get you. Just don't worry. That's the best compliment anyone could ever give me. You need to do it, but not attach your name to it to show up to an open mic, as Kate does Kate and then show up, do your thing. And then next, you know, you'll be doing a spade and sparrows at every comedy show across the country and you'll lose my number and in the midst of all way to try and spins on this back to me, I still want to know about you. OK, so I will get to that because got my single mom left my dad when she was pregnant with yeah. So Daddy issues, not really. Other than he wasn't there, but it wasn't all like he left divorced. None of that, like none of that toxic thing that can come with the divorce just didn't exist, right? Sister and I didn't talk much growing up. Good relationship now. Irish twins, which means we're 11 months apart. So like my mom was busy. Oh yeah. And then and then left him because he was a Vietnam vet and he just was like, he wasn't healthy for her. Yeah, she was actually on a trip to see my family. He was from the Midwest, and on that trip, my uncles were like, You're not going home. She was like six, six months pregnant with me. Yeah, PTSD. He passed away in the last decade. I didn't say not well. Didn't know him, right? I met him when I was in my early twenties. My mom showed up. So you did know them well. Well, I met them like a handful of times, but my mom came to my sister and I was like, I have news to tell you guys and we were like she. She had just had she got remarried to my great. My stepdad is great. But then she she had had a couple of kids, one of which is eight years younger than half brothers. Love them to death. Just love them. But this was a couple of years after that, or a year after Jack was born. And I'm 19 and I go, Oh man, is she pregnant again? This is so embarrassing when your mom's breastfeeding, when you're on a high school baseball team, and she was in left field like a lot of moms who breastfeed. But at the time I was like, You know, and she's like, You breastfeed and she she prints. She had these printed out pieces of paper because this is twenty three or whatever, and she didn't have the internet on her phone, so she printed out these emails. Like the boomer like she is. And it was messages from a sister I didn't know I had a sister. I didn't know I had found us, which is a little easier now. But this is like Facebook didn't exist. This she googled. They knew my aunt was an actress. My aunt was a soap actress, so they knew that from from years ago, from before I was born. And they and this was these are my siblings from my my father's previous marriage. And in that in Googling my aunt, they found my uncle at the time, who was a comedian, a stand up comedian, and they messaged him on his fan page. He never had a relationship with his father, so he was just like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing, family wants to reach out. And my mom for the first time told us we had this whole family we didn't know about holy. You said you're 19, 19 or 20? Yeah. Now, was that something that you were like, What the f**k are we like? I'm excited. All good. All good. Yeah. I mean, you could tell my mom was like, really emotional talking about it because she was early 20s when this all went down. Wow. So she had left that which when we talk about like just moving past our traumas and not addressing them, right? He was too busy. She was a single mom. She raised, you don't have time as a single mom to dig into your childhood trauma like you're too busy trying to survive from survive, put food on the table. And she did, and she did a great job and we never asked. We never ask. We had family. I don't mean they never thought about it. Yeah, why? I mean, why would you be brothers, sisters? I'm an uncle. All these things. And now you guys are all close as a family like your son came to my wedding last year or some didn't. But they are all. They're all in touch and they're all in Missouri, and they're just this amazing family. So I didn't meet my father on that first trip because they wanted to. They really wanted to protect me and say, Hey, we don't know what it's going to be like. And so I was afraid, not necessarily. My mom never talked trash about him, but I didn't know the nuances of PTSD. I mean, he, you know, he served in a war where they weren't they weren't respected when they came home. The troops and people didn't understand the scar tissue that existed. PTSD wasn't a term back then. They called it shell shock. And really? Oh yeah. Anyway, I eventually got to meet him, and he was just like a, you know, an older version of me goes, If I look like I smoked two packs of cigarettes a day, just like older beat up versus me. And he was a good guy and he still played. We both played baseball. We had all these similarities. 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Yeah, I think we we sort of carry on the story of what his life wasn't. And that's why that's where it becomes easy to take big sort of risks in life because you're like he would have he'd never got a chance to do any of this. I like that perspective because you've taken this route where you're doing stand up, like, did you ever see yourself driving around in cars with celebrities asking them questions like like, you took this turn in life that I think a lot of people wouldn't, because everyone thinks you're supposed to do this blueprint of, you know, you get to go to school, you get this job, you get married, you have kids like this is just how we do it, where I don't have those same beliefs of the blueprint, but I don't think you really do either. Yeah, I tried. I tried the college, got a business degree and I was months into a job and I was like, Oh boy, this the saying it. I got into advertising because I thought I wanted to be in advertising. Turns out I liked the movie. How to lose a guy in 10 days. Yeah. Matthew McConaughey was an advertising guy, and he was this big wig. It doesn't work that way. So it's like, I just wanted to be a Matthew McConaughey. That's a lot of movies ruining everything for us of what we think life's going to be in romance and work and jobs. And yeah, it's just like. But I think what people, what people need is just a window of hope to what they can have. And this is what, like guidance counselors, at least mine never gave me like this just wasn't an option. But through that advertising job, I met a bunch of filmmakers because they all worked in the creative ad world and they introduced me to the film world. I got into acting, was in SAG and got on a pilot and started working in acting, which led to improv and standup. So I I failed my way into what I now love. But see, yeah, maybe I would have had a job that was better and I would have never gotten to that. I mean, the job sucked so much that it was easy to learn at the age of twenty two. Like, this ain't it. That's good. A lot of people, though, don't don't have the mindset of failure until you find something you love. That's a really cool mindset to have. I feel like there's so many of my listeners who, you know, have certain jobs that they're like, I don't know if this is for me or how do you manifest your dreams or go after what? And but that perspective of failure until you find something you love is actually really cool. Yeah. And sometimes you don't know, you know, sometimes you don't know what your thing is and just feel the energy. What makes you wake up early and want to do something? And, you know, maybe you liked it represents and see people's joy is and you started gift wrapping company like it doesn't. You don't have to. It doesn't have to be something that already exists. That's true. You know, here's what I love about having followed your career is to hear your story of being, you know, working in in in the in the in the restaurant world and most people in restaurants are trying to do other things. And I found this through other gigs that I've done, and there is this you can get stuck in restaurants that are high paying, like if you're a bartender. Oh yeah, it's hard to break out of that. And then from at least what I've heard from your story, you had that moment where you, you hit critical mass and you're like, I guess I'm done with that. Yeah, yeah. I honestly, I could have kept working my way up. I eventually was like, Well, I guess, you know, if all else fails, I'll just be the GM of a restaurant. But I knew, like my soul knew that that is not what I was meant to do. I knew I could. I learned so much over the 11 years of working in the restaurant business, but I just knew that wasn't like my legacy. That's not like what I was put here on this planet to do, and I just feel like it's people. People underestimate their intuition and their passion for something, and people think you have to have these business degrees or, you know, all this education to do what you want to do. And I think it's like social skills and passion. I say this for stand up comedians, but I really mean it for so many other people. To have a platform where you get to have an audience now is so cool for you guys that you don't have to go grind like all the time at, you know, standup comedy clubs even. I'm sure that's such a fun part of it. It's glorified. It has. It has its nights, is it? It has its nights and there's nights where you're just like white knuckling it on the way home. What's the worst? What's your worst stand-up experience where you're like, What am I doing? There's this audition, Mike, that I was doing, and you got to do three minutes in front of the bookers and you're up on stage and they cut me off. I knew they cut me off early, but you get to you get to realize when I was like, Do seven minutes, you just know when it's six fifty five, you really get good at that. Like, give me a three minute light because my last bits two and a half minutes, you know, that type of thing. And they they lit me early and it was like, I shouldn't have auditioned for. I was already touring and doing other things, but they they just like and I and I was so pissed. Like, I didn't know I got off stage and I saw they let me add a minute and a half and it was like, Oh, sorry, three minute, Mike, you can barely do a joke. Yeah, I got out of there like doctor like by. I was kicking doors on the way out, and I just immediately drove across town to another Mike just to get the stink off of me just to be like, OK, I you need it's with standup and with most things you don't have control over a lot of the environments that you're in. So you have to you try to control everything you can. Yeah, I know comedians have opened for they want to know exactly what the temperature is in the room and they're in, you know, all these little things because, you know, they've done shows where it's too warm and then the audience gets a little tired, like there's a specific environment you want to curate that you want the light to be right, you want the mike to be right in all these things. I don't really. I mean, it's whatever everyone's got their own thing they are trying to control because it's like you can't control, like you're not that funny, then if you need to worry about that, yeah, actually, he was a he was a killer comedy, which is the crazy part because some people are that locked in on all the things, but it's like you don't need to be like, that's just you trying to control things you can't control. But I there is some sort of system to that, though, because I went to a comedy show at Zanies actually not too long ago, where it had been pouring rain all day, everybody had waited outside in the rain. People were grumpy when they got in. And then he did a show like four nights in a row after that where the weather was good. And he was like, the show you were at was the s**ttiest one because people are in a bad mood above. And I was like, I guess that does play into it. There would be nothing, nothing worse than if you saw me at a show that wasn't at least a decent show because then I know she's going to think of me as that guy that, you know, but that's what happens. Sometimes, you know, sometimes because we're so hard on ourselves. Like, I would hate if you walked out of here and you're like, Oh s**t. The bar was so high and you know, like that would suck. You have this way of laughing. And I said, if I can, if she can laugh once this way, then I'll feel OK. Oh, it's that you do this like now. Know you just gave it to me now you're already everything. I swear to you on everything that was genuine because I didn't know what laugh you're talking about till it came out and all that. It's like this. Like, Oh, you know, I have a few different laughs that was very specific. That's when I look for, I guess, OK, so I'm not. I'm not just going to give it to you for giving, but yeah, I swear it wasn't. I think anyone can do standup. I think everyone's got a unique way. They look at the world. Well, now I don't take your compliment from before when you said, I need to do something. I'm funny. You said every week. I think you're right. I think you're ready to go and just start telling stories. I think people see comedians with how precise they are with their punch lines in that stops people from trying it. But I think if you mind your own life, you know you've got hilarious ways that you look at your own experiences like self self-deprecation and very self-deprecating, which I feel like can be good as a comedian. But you know what, I think I would thrive at, and maybe this is just me and I would actually bomb at. It is crowd work. I feel like my fiance always tells me that nobody should step into the ring with me because I can, like, get you in two seconds and I feel like I would be really good at that. I think that's I think you should start doing it. That's it. Oh my god, what if that is my next thing? I want to don't light and it can be through laughter? Make it your own thing that doesn't have to be, you know, that doesn't have to be something that you're just trying to sell tickets for. Just go to some open mics. I went to one last night just to see some meet some comics, and it's amazing how kind and you see the community of everyone hustling. Everyone's got a story. Everyone's like working their butts off to survive. I mean, we've all done it. Everyone in L.A. is an Uber driver. I did it for years. Oh yeah. For driver story, everything you can think of. And it's just so that you can free up enough time to go, do stand up and and figure it out. And then one day really is a grind. But that's so I like growing up. I always wanted to dance, and in my twenties I would just work at different. That's why I worked in the restaurant industry, so it could have certain hours so that I could go to auditions and dance and do all that. But that never worked for me. Well, it did. It didn't until it did my mirror balls right there. Isn't that weird, though, but that's like in your greater biography. How beautiful? Yeah. I mean, like because dancing is dancing. You got to do it on. I mean, you got robbed that it was pandemic. Yeah, I say, I need you for me. You've got robbed because he lost. But the other night at the Sports Illustrated Party, and he was like, Still, I unfollowed me on Instagram and I was like, Dude. And then I, I unfollowed him because I saw that he had hold me. I'm petty like that, and I walked down the stairs and I see him standing there, and I was just like, I have some weird thing, and I think I've said this on podcast before where as soon as I unfollow someone on Instagram, I run into them. I mean, how do you even navigate your DMs? Like, how do you even sift through who needs to talk to you versus who's just chirping you? I am so woo-woo in this where I go. If I'm supposed to talk to that person, it'll happen somehow. Like, they'll email my media account or they'll get in touch with the right people to get in touch with me. But I, I try to not go too heavy into the DMs because they're nasty. Yeah, there's some really mean ones in there. Well, Instagram. First of all, yeah, you're the audience is way too close to you. Yeah, and in some ways and you want some people to be close to you, but you know, when there was a, you know, because obviously I I make bachelor content. There was someone who who was not looked at well after their season, and I messaged them to say, Hey, you know, hang in there, you can be OK. And it was a friend of their and I noticed, you know, I think he's talked about it and some guy was like, Hey, this is Tina's friend. He I'm like moderating his account right now. But just so you know, he I told him he was like, Thanks so much. And I was like, That's a friend. Yeah, that's someone who's like helping you out through a situation nobody would kind of want to cry. How sweet is that? God is still a real person like he pissed off one of my closest friends, and he was kind of a mess, but like. I still don't want him to get hate like that, yes. The Wrecking Ball never stops at its target, and that's the problem. It just bulldoze is the collateral damage and nobody who hasn't been through the public scrutiny understands. I've got like the vaccine from it because I've gotten a tiny bit of that. But you know, I was going to ask you because I'm sure there's no such thing as hecklers at live shows and all that. But have you got trolled on your social media? YouTube seems to be kind of a scary place for trolls. You know what? My My YouTube is pretty good, but it did get to a size where there is some hate out there, but it's not attached. And almost it almost sucks more when it's like you can click on someone and you can see like their history, and that makes me feel like it's real. I never once in over a decade in standup, felt a certain way from a comment only through the through the Bachelor audience. Did it feel like a hit personal and we fought. I mean, like, you learn you sometimes you'll fight with someone and we had this this my what? My wife, when we were just dating before we got engaged, posted something, you know, supporting a political candidate was 2016, right? And someone commented on it, You're not hot enough to have a political opinion, right? Because they were, like, posted that bikini photo that was like, We support this person. It was like a cute, cheeky thing. And I went down the rabbit hole. We found out this guy was a coach at a college football program. We messaged him, his wife, his daughter being like, Do you support that? We, we didn't publicly shame him. We just went after him and they all sided with him and whatever, and it went back and forth and like we like, I was like, I'm going to start commenting on this guy's high school football or his college football roster. Like, you're not hot enough to score touchdowns. You never did, really. It was like, I can't be doing this anymore. Oh, because that gets that's a slippery slope. That's very fun. But then to a certain point, you're like, Well, now I'm just I'm I say this on the podcast. I'm all about sinking to their level. I really am once in a while. I like to go down to that level and just like, do a little jab back and be like, and that felt really good. For example, the other day this lady was like, You've got so many mental health issues, and it's no surprise that you're posting about being depressed again. And she just like, went off and I looked at her page and she had her beautiful daughter as her profile picture and her bio was just, I'm a mom, and I said, Please do better for your daughter. Like I said, I just showed this to my mom and thanked her for raising me right to not bully other people with mental health and do better for your daughter. And usually they'll come back or apologize or clap back silence. And I was like, I think that one. And that felt really good. Yeah, I mean, you just no one would ever talk like that to someone else. I've never had anyone had a stand up show. Talk to me that way. OK, your girl loves coffee. I do. It's a staple in my house every morning, but I do sometimes get anxiety when I have too much, and I know a lot of you guys can relate. You get the old jitters. I also am trying to drink a bit less and put healthy things in my body in general. 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It was like there was this and everyone goes, Well, we need to teach people a lesson. It's like, you're this is this is not it. No. And you're helping people. And like you said before, when you want to spread love, that ain't it trying to shame people into feeling a certain way. When I look at things like the way, the way we treat each other and the way we try not to, we were OK. We've all been guilty of it. But one person at a time learns, Oh my gosh, I didn't realize that this message would get to you. It's like, What were you doing? Then what did you think was going to happen here? These are humans. So when I start, when my channel started to take off, I start to make some money. I started to talk to people about it. I know Jason has addressed these sorts of things where people get very weird. My channel's been very lucrative in the last couple of years. It's changed my life. We're going to buy a house. We're going to get a kid now. Things we didn't even think of, because why are we going to have a kid in a studio apartment? You know, our worlds have just enlarged in so many ways. It's very weird for some people who are, you know, living a minimum wage world. And I've been there. I've done all the gigs like I said, Uber and all that. And I understand that. But like, I'm not your enemy, right? You know what I mean? You have the tools to to try your best. You everyone's got a phone. Just start talking into it if that's what you want to do. Find a way to get some equity in, like all these people that are online spending their whole day commenting about things you can monetize that have an opinion and go out and share it right? Isn't that interesting? But people's brains don't work like that. If only we could just be presidents of the United States of America and just change the world. I don't think I could. I'm Canadian. That should be on my bucket list. You can't be president. Sorry. What if I'm dull? Now you have to be born in the U.S. or territory? It's a whole thing. I act like I'm actually thinking about this like, Oh, that's too bad. We could maybe get you like a Senate position. We could work on that. Maybe, Mayor, I need to know about how. So you got into all this reality TV and you do stand up and you have all these platforms and channels where you every day you do a pop. What is it? Pop culture? I mean, I did three videos today in a podcast from my hotel room. Yeah, you did three videos today and a podcast from your hotel did a video on you. You did. Yeah, you had grocery store Joe, and you were talking about Bali and the Maldives. And I was like, I've gone to Bali and I'm going in the Maldives. I'll talk about this. I from the content I aggregate. What's interesting to me, I promote it, and then I just run. How many hours a day do you think you spend on research for reality television? I'm only it's your job. It's I try to make it. I try to like, really? Oh, thank you so much. I try to compartmentalize because I did get obsessive. So like if if there's a breakup that happens as I leave here, if I can't make it back to my hotel in time, I might just cover it from the car. You know what I mean? Like, there are certain stories that are so pressing and viral. Yeah. Aside from those which only happen maybe once a month, it's usually when I'm away from my computer. I to do one in line at Disney World with my family. Yeah, when Katie, when Katie Thurston was doing her 12 days of mass, my channels. Oh yeah. I mean, people are going nuts. It was Thanksgiving weekend, so like, no one had anything better to do. Right? And you're like, If I don't do this now, like that helps you. Oh yeah. And people love the sort of blue collar in the moment aspects of like, we're going live in this kind of manic. And but I try to do like eight a.m. to 12 p.m. to one eight one p.m. I try to make it a four or five hour grind done. And it's like, that's my that's my day. And I do it. I do it. And when we were in Bali for our honeymoon, as much as people would roll their eyes that I would spend a couple of hours a day doing that, it's I enjoy it. And my wife is an introvert. So when I'm doing that, she's reading a book. She's happy that I'm not bothering her. I would be like, Ask, but I was like, Does your wife do this with you? Does she enjoy it? Like what? So her personality is more introverted and she's like, You do your thing. She's an introvert who can mask as an extrovert. An advert? Yeah, yeah. But she well. Well, yeah. But she she gains her energy from being alone, and she can. She can be fine in a party, but it's like my train her the next day. OK. So I so the fact that I go to do standup, I kind of burn off this thing and then I can come home and I try to scrub that energy. Yeah, sometimes I'll come home like hot, kind of like Halo. And she'd be like, Whoa, yeah. Oh yeah, sorry. Sorry. Let's break it down. But you OK, so you do like five hours a day. Then you put out content every day on this. What did you think about? I mean, it's kind of old news now, but I'm still curious about what happened between Brandon and Serene. Yeah, that was one that I think people saw for a little bit. Oh, it's coming along. Yeah, I mean, yeah, at least a month or so because they weren't posting together. The internet's so good. So, so are the internet freaks me out there? They do most of the work for me now. Like I always tell people, Don't just tell me if you like a podcast, tell me what minute I should be listening. Just help me out there because I can't listen to it all. And, yeah, they were kind of on top of that, and I knew from some other sources they were going to break up, but those types of stories, you just kind of wait because it's like that's their moment to share. Yeah. And then you write you for that. You know what I get pissed off at is on TikTok. Anybody out there who does this? I'm mad at you when they go. I listen to the podcast so you don't have to. And then they give you all the breakdown and I'm like, You can I respect the hell? If you're listening to my podcast and you give pointers out of like what's happened in the podcast or whatever? Know there must be something I worked. I listen to it so you don't have to. I'm like. But I worked at it so that people can listen in my podcasts. I don't want you to listen so that nobody else does. I read this? I made this podcast, so you don't have to read about it from someone else. And I work really hard in the end, even even if people say that it will be good promo for you because I feel like most people. So, yeah, what I do if you have an hour long podcast, I might share five minutes of it. But you know, you don't. Obviously, it's like it's commentary is not about ripping off. It's like a fairy, you swear where I'm just trying to promote. So you're you're convo with Joe. I'm sure the Bali conversation was really had nothing. But for me, I was like, Oh yeah, I'll talk about Bali. But, you know, I'm just kind of f**king around it. Yeah, that's fine with me. But sometimes you'll hear someone like you. You had a recent episode where you mentioned your ex. Yeah. And I was like, Oh, this is something they're going to go off of this. And of course they do. But we are we are talking about it in the long form where, you know, us weekly these titles, they write, they they take quotes and then they summarize leading up to the quote. Yeah. And it's like, journalistically, it's it's ridiculous what they get away with because you because you don't know no hurtful bone in your body, you're just sharing your life experience. And OK, I'm going to say. Oh boy, OK, so I've talked about this before, but we always edit it out because you'll hear why soon. But when you say that, you're like, you know, the media always has this headline or something, they pick from it. But really, so it all the last few podcasts I've been, I've tried to be conscious of how I speak about my ex because I think it's because of inner child work I did. I wrote a whole letter to him in like this inner child work because it was to people who you still hold resentment against or people that have hurt you and all this stuff. So I, as everybody knows, I'm such an open book, so I talk about everything. I still talk about my ex from Germany, where people are like, We've heard it a million times, Kaitlyn, but it's how I process things. It's how I work through things, and I'm also an open book so on at the latest few podcasts. I don't know if you've heard that I actually kind of try and speak highly of Sean where I say, like, I have complete compassion for what he went through. And if I see this, this is me. This is my feelings. I'm not saying it's true. Like, I'll try and really have empathy and compassion for his side because I'm like, you know, it's been so much time and I don't need to speak negatively anymore and so on. Jason's podcast, I had said something about how I felt like he used me. I don't even think I said fame, but media took it that way. I felt like I was used at the end. He was hanging on to the relationship to open his gym. And to me, I'm like, Well, I was hanging on to the relationship because I don't want to lose the dog tucker, like we were both hanging on to things. Yeah, yeah, he's he's working on building this thing like, right? Yeah. And I said, this is probably on me and my insecurities and blah blah. Who knows if it's true. But the media, of course, took it and said, Sean hang onto Kaitlyn's fame until he opened his gym. Well, then fast forward. A few days later, I got a text from Sean and I even talked to him in years. And he goes, Hey, first of all, the message was very interesting. He goes, I hope you're well. I don't know if you're still living in Nashville. I'm like, Bro, I've run into a few times. I don't know if you're still living in Nashville, but I'm like, he's tired of media reaching out to him and asking for comments. And he goes, You know, I've moved on with my life, and I would prefer to not speak negatively about a relationship that ended five years ago. And I was like, Oh boy, did you ask him if you actually listen to it? Yes. Side note he now started a podcast and has spoken about me, and I'm like, Well, sort of. So I took some time to process what he said, and I wanted to be like, OK. I'll be cognizant of this for next time as I'm talking about them, but not negatively. So I wrote him back and I just said, Hey, yeah, you know what? I've I've been in your position, maybe not in the media, but I've had people around town tell me certain things that definitely offended me about what you've said and done. I've never known how to go about that because I didn't know if it was necessary to reach out to you because we have both both moved on with our lives. But I understand that that must be frustrating hearing those things. I just need you to know that if you actually listen to the podcast, I try and speak highly and not negatively about you. And happy to chat any further if if you want to hear in context what I said. But I'll be cognizant moving forward about how I speak and I love how corporate it said it best. Warm wishes titles to Tolu But he also said in the first message like, I don't know if you want to get together and talk. And so I said, I don't know how you want to go about it, but like, yeah, I've heard s**t too. And then it was just silence. Yeah, I mean, this nuance goes away in print media and and again, I'm no moral barometer for it. I make clickbait thumbnail titles. I'm trying to get clicks, too. But like, we're trying to have the conversation where, oh, come on. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, of course he's opening a gym. He's not going to try to like, get all this publicity in the other direction. Yeah, I mean, you're allowed to tell your life. I mean, what's interesting with you is obviously as a public figure, those are things that will come out like articles and everything. But it's never in good faith because everyone, it's all. It's I always talk about like corporations being like psychopathic, right? So like magazines, they don't feel emotion. Everyone's just trying to keep their job. No, they're like bachelor producers. There's a special place in hell. Yeah, because everyone's self-serving. Everyone's like, Yeah, they might like you. But if they can cross you and it gets them a promotion, hey, this is The Hunger Games. I find that really hard to do because so with my podcast, there's so many podcasts out there. There's so many different people I could consider competitive and I could, you know, completely use people for headlines. And I just can't do it. Like if if a media headline picks it up, sure, I can't do anything about that, but I am like so terrified to use somebody's pain or experience where it was like traumatic for them to be like, Oh, and then make that a note. Like, write that down for a headline like, I just couldn't do it. Yeah, well, it becomes it can be. It can weigh on you when when I'm covering certain heavy topics, I'm like, Oh man, I just I just try my best to talk about people as if I'm going to see them at a bar. You know what I mean? I'm trying not to talk s**t, but if someone doesn't like, if I don't, if I disagree with someone, I'll argue their point and not the person. Yeah. Nick Viall had some really bonehead takes, I thought on his recent talk about mental health. And look, look, I think he's done a great job of building his brand in his business and all that. But like, I disagree with that, and I think we should be OK disagreeing with things and I agree with you. And a lot of ninety nine percent of alumni move on with like, don't aren't able to monetize it, do you? Because I always tell people like monetize your wine. I mean, it's all brilliant stuff you guys are doing here. Do you get do you get like this shame from people that you are like, Oh, so-and-so is 15 minutes of fame or up? And it's like, Oh yeah, well, so who says who? I I used to get that a lot more. Like every time there's a new bachelor and bachelorette on, they always tell me the main comment they get when they're done the show, and then they show up back on the next season for, like, you know, a cameo or the producer like, Hey, we're going to pay you to come back on. You're like, Sure, everyone's a get out my TV screens, you're done. You're 50, but like, they love you at one point and they will just chew you up and spit you out the next point. And you never know what they're going to do, and then you have to like, build them back up to grow with you and be like, Oh, and what was the question of just that? Just just when you when you monetize and start making money? The 15 minutes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your 15 minutes, you've created an empire. I embrace the empire and don't worry about that. They were able to extend it. You just took an opportunity. You were like, you would have been you would've been successful. Regardless of Bachelor. You didn't. You saw it. No. Maybe I'm projecting onto you. Sort of correct me. But like you, you saw a world. And this is why I'll be honest. I I tell my wife this all the time who I just love so deeply that you your story is very much like hers, where she she was Midwestern. She's from Kentucky, and she took a look at it, almost an internship in New York City and never went home. She had to prove herself outside of this world that she existed in, and she needed to be more than that. And she became that and she succeeded and she taught herself something that you just wish. You can. You wish you can teach your kids this one day. Yeah, and I always tell. I tell her, like, we might start trying to have kids. We don't know, but I'm like, We want that Kaitlyn Bristowe's. We want our kids to have that sort of be what you want to be and create that. But I don't know how my mom will cry listening to you say that because she'll be like, I did it. Yeah, but that's just the world you saw and you created so like. Whether Bachelor or not, I mean, you would have figured it out. I do, I do think I would have. I have very much like all of my friends, all of my family would say the same thing where they're just like, you had no backup plan, like you were just like, I'm going to make something of my name. And that's that's Plan B's. Are there just a thing people talk about so that they feel as a sex tape? They go. If all else fails, you heard it here, cancel the music and put out raunchy sex tape and tactile sex tape. Or you just start talking just how much I share. Some, you know, some start talking about all of your exes. US Weekly is going to like, What do we do with all the sex tape? Oh yeah, I'll make it into OnlyFans account. Yeah, you just stop me selling my house. Some wine, these my feet and talk about my ex boyfriend. I spilt spade and sparrows all over myself. Yeah, yes. Oh, I do think part of parenting and what my parents did a really good job at is they never had an expectation of what they wanted me to do ever. It wasn't like, Well, you need to go do this and you need to get a good job. You have to go to college. I pick where you're going. It was never it was. What do you want to do? What are you passionate about? Be who you are like. They very much brought my sister and I up that way to just, like, live the most authentic life. And that brings happiness, which is really cool. It's hard to tell people. I mean, a lot of you have to, you know, there's there's someone who I was thinking of. Her name's Alisha. She sells because she makes crocheted items. Yeah. And she. And that's what she loves to do it. And you know, like I bought, I made her. I commission her to make a little YouTube play button for me because I was like, I love you can do that. You can do that. You can create with a world you want and work really hard. But it doesn't feel like hard work when when you're building equity and doing it for you, not working for somebody else. Yeah. And when you talk about no Plan B, like yes, some people get in situations where they have to provide for their kids or there's there's always something that can get in the way, but find a way to work really hard and make it work. I always say a leap in the net will appear, but you have to go and do it. You have to like, get up there and do it, and then you'll see the world conspire around you. And it is a friendly world and things start to line up like, where did it line up for you? When, like before Bachelor, like, did you start to see this? The CS open up? Like, What do you have a moment where that it's always the rock bottom? So it was always it was the crying on my parents couch, getting addicted to Valium because I didn't feel feelings anymore to then just like, build myself back up. And then once you hit that rock bottom and then you build yourself back up and you see, whoa, that was like the lowest point in my whole life. And a year later, I'm like. Working and making so many new friends and built myself back up and feel like I could do anything, if you could do that in like a short amount of a year is quick, I mean in the grand scheme, but the quantum leap does not exist like linearly. Time allow it. Now the quantum quantum leap, right is the idea of like an electron goes from one level to another, and they've done studies. They don't see it go from one level to another. It disappears and then reappears. Yeah. And it's that idea that lightning can spark and you can change your energy and can flip like a magnet can flip on a dime. And then boom, I figured it out. It's almost like a rock bottom is almost like scrubbing the shame off you and you go, Well, I've really messed up. Was like, Yeah, I might as well just do what I want to do. That's how I felt after Bachelorette, where I was like, Holy s**t, I can't believe I did it. I'm the Bachelorette. I'm going to do this. I have this name for myself now and then after everything I remember in another just a complete downward spiral. Like, you don't like this feeling, Kaitlyn. You piece of s**t. Everybody on the internet hates you. And I was just like, and then I flipped it where I went, OK, everyone hates you. People are slut shaming you. You like to empower women. Like, let's turn this negative into a positive and like, use your voice for something. And then that as soon as I did that, it wasn't like the rain clouds and everything's, you know, a storm. It was like. Everything was like this light coming in, and I started getting the right jobs and the right brand deals and certain things started happening, happening for me, and that's happened a few times, like not a dog on my ex. I'm not saying that. But when that breakup happened, it was I was in a very toxic place. And as soon as I got rid of that energy, everything started. I'll never forget he, like, moved out. And then the next day, the CEO of my podcast company Thank you. Oh, R.I.P. Norm, he passed. But he was like, Look at you, my private jet, and I'm going to fly you out to this place to speak on a panel with me and Jewel and Mario Lopez. And I was like, Whoa, OK. And I'm just sitting on a private jet, reading a book and like doing emails about my own wine label, and I'm like, What is happening? And then everything just started flowing in the right way because I just got rid of a certain energy and it doesn't mean he's a bad guy. Just once he was, you were like, you know, together. Yeah, yeah. And that's hard for people to cope with, because especially if you're like an overachiever, you want your relationship to work and you've got this public relationship that it's like, How bad do you want the public perception that this is good? And how long can you keep up? That's why, like with Katie Thurston, her and Blake, they didn't work out entirely. Like, We're done. We're just we're not going to try to fake it for three more months. It's a good I mean, how much? How much are you going to put yourself through hell, just to please strangers? That is so important. I think a lot of bachelor people do that. I did it. I feel like it's like you feel like you're responsible to have a glorified relationship to your viewers because that's what you're known for. And when you fail at that and you don't have that anymore in their eyes, they're like, What the f**k am I following you for us, for the love story? And that's just all you know in your head, but you do feel a responsibility to all these loyal bachelor. And imagine if that was real life like in real life, you can be someone at the bar and it can fizzle out. Maybe the sex is good, but you didn't have the and it just you move on. And then really the Bachelor franchise, that proposal is just the the start of something. Yeah, that's the the real life comes in and you go, Oh boy, like, I'm a hard worker, you're not or whatever. You know, you're all everyone's going at different speeds. You almost want to find somebody in life that you can grow upwards with, but not one entangles the other two trees next to each other, sharing the sun. Yeah, that's what you want, and you don't always get that when you're in some fantasy world where everything's perfect. Oh, I know. How did you find that? Did you go through bad heartbreaks? Oh yeah, you did. Yeah, I mean, I just it was either it was either I was super casual and I always say, like now casual sex with my wife is like, No, that's when you when you're married. Casual sex is when neither participant wants to get on top, and that's casual sex just leaning there being like, Are we going to do this? You have socks on me. Like, This is casual. You're your retainer still in, you know, you're like, This is just like a release like we just got to do because it's been a while. I think things change a little bit when you're married. But but when? Yeah, when you're single, like, I would project and be super codependent and think someone was perfect because their family was wealthy. Yeah, you just start doing these crazy things and you paint red flags white and you try to make it all work and then it doesn't and you got to. And in most of my relationships, I was the one getting dumped because I would be the one that would fight to the point where I was. And it's almost like a lot of times in a breakup. You don't want the other person to break up with you because you just want to date long enough where you can find out why you wanted to break up with them. Yeah. And that's like, that's not healthy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I've had those moments super embarrassing. I'm writing love letters. I'm saying typing, but I'm like writing love letters and sending them to them. After I've been dumped, it's like, OK, come on. You know, I know we've all we all. It's so one of my favorite lines now is if they want to, they will. Yeah, because that's just so simple and so easy to digest. If they want to, they will. And like, if that person wanted you, you know, wanted to write you back a love letter they would or if they wanted you to be their boyfriend or like, you have to always just remember if they want to, they will. And if they don't, you'll get over it. My wife and I had plenty of times where I thought we were going to break up. You know, if she doesn't meet me at this was like Noah's bagels in Hollywood. I say, if she doesn't meet me at this bagel place, it's over like either. It's not cutthroat. Well, not in a way where like, no, no, no. And I don't even mean like if you don't get here, it wasn't. If my mentor Mary, she was like, Oh, I need to see that it doesn't have to be 50 50. It can be 99 one. I just want to see that there's some sort of. And because, you know, she's like, counter dependent and I'm co-dependent, so I want to smother her and you really get away from me. Pretty Woman whose had who's had obsessive boyfriends? Yeah. So she's had she's had that before, and I've had to realize that I can't hug my way out of things. I got to take a lap. You know, the dog loves and I take him for a bath or walk. You know, he loves it when when you know, you know, when I'm trying to save space. Yeah. And I had to learn that because I'm not a space giver naturally. So you and you like obviously words of affirmation, as you said. But what is your love language? How you give physical touch? Well, it's hard for me to know what. I try to give four affirmations, and those are like, give a pretty woman affirmation, she's like, who cares, just a stranger. When I went to go get the mail gave me affirmation. I mean, and so hers is quality time. She really loves quality time. And, you know, I could. That's just not it for me. So I remember not just time quality time. So we have, we call it device free time DfT. This year, I stopped bringing my cell phone into the bedroom and glorious. I haven't broken it once, although in the hotel I did so. But that's like, I'm a lover. Whatever hotel, that's fine. Yeah. But yes, it's I haven't done it yet is what, five six months into? Yeah, so. And tell me what it's done for you. I go to bed. I go to sleep. I still turn the TV on and put on some like boring. I put on like boring wilderness shows like some guy trying to kill a turtle. You know, like, you know, some boring nature shows to fall asleep. I love it. I was alone. Have your love allowing on me to huge alone. I started during the pandemic and I was just like, I'm like feasting on potatoes, like fattening myself up as I watched these people starve, trying to catch tilapia. Yeah, but then you're like C. But I like when I do it, I go, OK, I'll take in what they're doing. I'll just eat my own delicious food, but I'm going to take in what they're doing in case I'm ever in case about that celebrity alone. Would you do that? No. I mean, unless they pay me like a million bucks. You've said before that you wouldn't do a reality show that you didn't have executive control over, which I think is really smart. I you're done with that. I just can't risk it anymore. I'm too proud of where I'm at. And maybe that could be my Plan B of things. You know, if all my listeners turn on me and just get now like, you're you're a funny person. So sometimes you go for a joke and you can't take it back if it doesn't come out well, reverses on stage. You can tell right away if a joke doesn't come out. Like, wonder if I can pull up? I wonder if I can pull up a hilarious moment on The Bachelor, where I told a joke on night one of The Bachelor, and when I was watching The Bachelor season one back, I'm like, Oh, they're making me the villain. I'm going to be the a*****e, I gonna be the jokester. I'm going to be like the person that everybody hates from my edit on night one, and I remember in night one getting along with everybody. And but the way they can edit is insane. And I told this joke and. When I watch it back, I was like, no, everybody laughed, but they edited it and they made it look like people were looking at me like, what the f**k she just say? And like, Chris gave me a dirty look and and I was like, Yeah, but everybody really laughed in that moment. They just edit it in a certain way. Yeah, and you can't control it. I mean, they could have made me look like, I say this all the time. They could have made me look like just the worst. I'm guilty of having judge people for the villain edit they got. And you just have to realize you're like, how much could they actually edit that person? But then I think what I'm like you could be could be repeating back something someone said to them. There's just a million things. And not to mention, you know, the lack of sleep in the social pressures. I understand social pressures, my sense of humor. I I could come across as a huge dick, especially back then when I was thirty twenty nine. Like I, my sense of humor was poking at people. Yeah, and it's a way to defuse the situation. And if that's not edited in, you know, in an honest way, you know, they can take the laugh out. They can do whatever. Hold on to someone's response from a different thing. And yeah, it's like, No, no, no, that killed. That was good. Yeah, I always say that too, because a lot of times with standup, your record, your record from the back of the room, which is good, good for the video, but then the audio gets everyone laughing away. So it gets there. It gets the amplified sound coming to the camera, but not the audience. Yeah, this was funnier than for me, you know? So now, like, I bring my phone onto the stage and record from the stage and I will absorb your laughter. Yeah, to make sure that this is a good that's a good point, though. That's a good point. So what do you have coming up? I know you're doing what do you call it in the cars, what you call it, driving with drivers, Dave. And it's just a eight car ride is a is a like movement, is always good for creativity. So when you're driving the car, you're just in a place where, like, it's kind of like being by the river. Things are moving in and you can just have a nice conversation. So I set up three cameras in my car. It was lovely mikes and I just have been driving people around. It makes it hard for people to say no because I'm like, I'll pick you up. Yeah, yeah, I'll be there for you. I'll drive you to the airport. What do you know? Like, where are these dogs coming from there messing up the cameras? I just love that I've seen you do it with Suzy and Katie, and I was like, That's so fun, because it's just, I mean, again, things I love, just an honest little comedy. I just pick up coffees or whatever. And yeah, no, no, no pressure. It's just it's it's been fun. I started doing it because I was only doing YouTube. YouTube took off. The AdSense was amazing the way that YouTube pays, and I've been, like, annoying on videos like yours from like Kaitlyn needs to be on YouTube. You're too funny. Your visuals, all of that. Thank you, because I did get pushed in the right direction, and I'm glad I did. I feel like you've been too successful in other reasons that you haven't needed to be on YouTube. Was my ego why I was like people that I'll get no views and people won't want to, and I'll feel my fears will come true. Oh no, I mean, YouTube's it's Google, right? So it's the biggest search engine in the world. That's true. It's the best way to reach new audiences. And yeah, no. I mean, I'm not trying to give you advice. You're crushing it, but I need YouTube advice. Well, that's where I started. So that was working. It's like, I don't need to do a podcast because that's just going to take away from the YouTube. But I started the podcast in the fall. It's it's become a major revenue stream, and then driving with Dave happened because I was like, I don't have a studio right now to host people, so I'm just going to drive around with the acoustics are good in cars and I've got all the camera gear. My third GoPro that I just bought, I bought off some random person on Craigslist and I showed up to them and they had all this like travel gear too. And I was like, Huh, I like, I look, look up on Instagram. And she had all these bachelorettes that followed her and I was like, Who is? And I texted, I was like, You work with The Bachelor? She's like, I'm a producer. They're like, Just body. I'm a city of 10 million people. I don't know if top my head, but I was like, Oh, is there? Did the camera come with like a memory card? Like, Imagine me because, you know, they strap these cameras to a bunch of horses for like the one on one dates or whatever. There was no memory card, but I was like, Oh, what a weird world that I needed a quick camera and I purchased enough of a bachelor producer. Wait, that is so funny. This is going to lead me into confessions because. In the first week, I think, oh my God, I hope they don't take my Mirrorball away for this. In the first week I, they gave me an iPad and for some reason all the clouds were linking up to mine so I could see everybody's dances. And I was like, Oh my God, what do I do? And so we had these iPads everyone gave us because it was the pandemic. We had to do interviews virtually for everything. And so all of a sudden, all everybody's dances were being sent up into my iPad, and I asked somebody else, I was like, Have you looked through your iPad? They're like, Yeah, and I was like, What's on there? And they're like my dances. And I was like, no one else's. So I told Chrishell, I was like, I get everybody's dances on mine. And she was like, Shut up. And I could see everybody. So I was like, OK, they're doing really good, OK? The world gave it to you, you know, like, Hey, what can you do? I couldn't do anything I wasn't going to do. I said something eventually because I did feel I'm very much like a guilty conscience where I can't. So after that first week, I told Artem and I was like, I think I need a new iPad, or they need to know. But for that first weekend, your guilt got to you. Oh, it was. I couldn't sleep at night like I felt terrible because I really I felt terrible because I took it too far, was literally studying their dances and being like, Well, they're doing that move better than me, and I could work on that and they're going to OK. And I don't really like that song like I was getting in my house benefiting me either. Yeah, that's yeah, that's it's like, OK. I had probably the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened to me. I had a zit and I had never watched the Pimple Popper, so this might not have made the highlight reel for, like the real pimple popper. But she was like, Don't pick it, you know? And I had some like film shoot, so I just like, left it alone. And it just was like, this factory in my job, just this factory of just like pus factory in it. Normally they both done whatever this was like it. It was probably like an ingrown facial men men's facial hair is is a wicked thing. I know because you can shave clean and then it grows in the wrong way. And next thing you know. So I there's a photo of me with this thing. My left jaw looked like a cartoon like hero, like a full thing here. But like if you if I did point out, you wouldn't know it's on my Instagram. If you'd go back years, it's really. But like, I mean, like a tuxedo for this like fancy thing. But there's one side and I'm like, Just don't touch it. Get through it. Like, don't make it worse this whole deal. And then she she picked my car, broke down or whatever, so she picked me up from the shoot. I'm sitting in the passenger seat. That's how I know it's on my left side, and I done a good job for a few days of just not touching it. Yeah, and I probably scratch scratched or whatever the volcano erupted, she squeals all over her. This is the most I've never shared this publicly all over her. I was like, Well, nice knowing you. I guess I'll move to another world now because I'm like, I'm the type who up with the door closed. I'm so far removed from anything cool with body functions like I would never let you look. Let me pop no new to continue new and I'm just so like and so but I couldn't do anything. I was like, Oh my gosh, I feel like it's already happened. I am. So yeah, there's no stopping. It was a disaster. I would like to know, like, like a measurement like how many teaspoons look at the vault? How voluminous it was? Yeah, I don't know. But I'll tell you this. We I got back home and we, you know, clean things up. And again, some somebody eating like fettuccine alfredo in there, like, they just unsubscribe from me. Hey, Kaitlyn, I want on your podcast and lost followers. But I got home and it was and I had a show that night and it was days before this thing recovered. Oh, days, or if not weeks, it was because it was an infection like it took for whatever was in there. Whatever facial hair had to come out and in the year, it was a brutal nothing's ever happened like that in my life before, and I tried telling my dad, my stepdad, he was like, what? I was like I was. I thought that I could talk to family about anything he's like, knew that I went to the therapist and I don't want to hear about it. But she she was like, very much in that moment, like, No, no, no, it's OK. Like, she was very kind of happy and maybe five years, and she'd be like, What the hell was, right? But she was like, very kind. And I was like, Oh, she still loves me. But it was, yeah, I was. I'm like, Oh yeah, a heartwarming pimple popping. I mean, it was a cyst. It was a it was a real alien came out of my face. Oh, that must have felt so nice. It was amazing. Wow. It was amazing. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Thanks so much for being in Nashville. I really want to drive with Dave, so we can't be sure. What is it? It's I'm driving with David on my podcast, Bachelor Rush Hour, which is daily. I've made it. So it's like rush hour commute time, 30 minutes or less. So I pull together all of I listen to all the podcasts so you don't have to know I promote other people's content and it's just and also I share about my life. So because in the end, I don't want people to follow me. And just for the information, if they don't want to be along for my ride in my journey? Yeah. So for all the people that want to come see me standup wise, I'm going to be in New York City next week. Seattle End of Summer Phoenix, L.A., San Diego. 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