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Writer Mark Danielewski and Bret Easton Ellis discuss The Martian, House of Leaves, creative immersion and Show Me a Hero.

CONNECT with Jonathan Mark
00:37:07 1/26/2025

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Today at Centreparks, I didn't multitask. I saw the gleeful look on my teenager's face as she conquered the zip wire. Today, I didn't juggle meetings and packed lunches. I helped my little boy paint a cute squirrel pot. Today, I didn't stress about a work deadline. I swam underwater aquajeting with my 10 year old. Life moves too fast. Precious moments last longer on a short break at Centreparks. Cherish every moment. Welcome back to Connect with Jonathan Mark. We have a great episode and a recurring guest. It's Nicole Schmidt, Gabby Petito's mom. But before we even get into the episode, I kinda wanna pick up where our last episode stopped, and it was a crazy episode. Now I've been filming episodes pretty much once a week, and I've never and I'm telling you, never had a technical issue where it would cut out, the camera would stop every 5 minutes, and that was happening during the first episode. And Nicole and I literally talk about it because it never happened to her, and she's done plenty of podcasts and plenty of, like, talking engagements, and it's never happened, and same with myself. Now I believe because we were talking about Gabby and the case that she needed to come through so much to talk to her mom, to share her story, and to share some stuff about the case. Now in this episode, it's an even more special episode in my opinion because the documentary trailer of Gabby Petito came out today, and it's on Netflix called The American Murder, The Gabby Petito Story. Now you guys need to stick around because it's going to be an episode where I drop some hints of something that happened the night of the murder, missing objects that has not been public at all, and Nicole validates it all and also the more important one. Nicole has publicly come to peace with Brian and has forgiven him, but she asked me, hey, can you connect to Brian? I want to hear from him. And, typically, when I do cases, I really don't connect to the murderer or any criminal in that sense. But I'm starting to have a little bit of a, maybe I should crack the door open. Stay tuned and listen. Maybe I do it next time she's on. Maybe I don't, but you need to hear it. Alright, guys. Let's jump right in. Welcome back. Now last time you came on, I don't know if people will remember this. I'm sure they will. The amount of times the Internet went out, the amount of Mhmm. Right? Wasn't that insane? I think it was Gabby because it didn't happen to me with anyone else. It had to have been. I mean, like, I was sitting there, and I was like, oh my god. It was a lot. Yeah. And I was thinking I was like, Gabby definitely wants to come through. She's definitely, like, trying to barge through, and that was her way was tampering with the Internet, I feel like. I mean, it was nuts. I'm not gonna lie. It was nuts. Can I tell you a quick story? Please. Yes. We were just at a friend's house doing a podcast, actually, at his house. And luckily, he lives close. And we were eating dinner afterwards, and the lights started flickering. And I was talking about Gabby at the time, and then the electric went out, the whole house, and then, like, a whole bunch of houses on the block just for, like, a minute or so. And then it came back on. I was like, that that was Gabbie. There's no explanation for it. I asked. I said, did you find out what happened? Nobody knows what happened. And it's funny too because we don't have even an explanation on our end too because every episode that we've done, even before, after, or just like when I do normal readings, never happened. Never happened. And when we did it, it was just in and out, in and out. But how have you been since then? How have you been? It's been a long well, not a long time. It's been, like, 2 months, but I feel I feel like it's been a little bit since we reconnected. I've been good. Well, you know, we got through the holidays. Yeah. That was that's always rough. That was the 4th Christmas without without Gabby. So crazy. Time seems to be flying, but we're I feel like with each year comes new, experiences and new learning opportunities. And we're expanding and growing as a foundation, the Gabby Petito Foundation. And as people going through grief, parents going through grief, we are learning so much. So one step at a time, one day at a time. And I feel like things are happening and we're making changes. Yeah. Because I've been watching you guys. Obviously, I know you, your husband, and and everyone. And I watch you guys, and I'm so impressed with the amount of time you put in aside from the foundation. You go on social media, try to bring awareness to different cases, to different situations, and I think that's really amazing just because people can, I think, relate into some sense because I feel like people know someone that maybe was affected by domestic violence or maybe someone that is a missing person or whatever the case is? And a lot of the times when I speak to just families with unsolved cases, a lot of times people are afraid to speak up. Like, that's the one thing I've been like, I think a common thing that I've been seeing is, like, speaking up and also having the courage to go to someone to say that something happened. They were there. They were scared. And I think what you guys are doing from what I'm you know, I always tune in. I always watch. And I think it's awesome because you guys are being voices for people that really are and it's not a shame to be afraid. It's really not a shame to be afraid, and you guys are voices for those people that are maybe a little afraid. And I think that's amazing. I think that is, like, truly amazing. Can you explain some of the stuff you've done recently, like going to DC, doing all that? I feel like we've done so much. Yeah. First off, I I the the reason why we do what we do is to let people know that they're not alone, and they can reach out for help. And if we can't directly help them because we're not direct service providers, but we have a lot of connections now. We can lead them in the right direction. Going to Washington DC, that was amazing. So I got an invitation to go to the White House, and that was really cool. It was great. It was amazing. I wish that all 4 of us could've went. I don't know why we only got the one invite. I think, eventually, we'll all be there, all 4 parents, fighting for some kind of law, maybe signing some new law in the place. That'll be that'll be the day that we are all inside the White House. It was just I don't know. DC is really cool. I I I could go there anytime, so I'm hoping to go back. We have just done a lot of speaking engagements. We're developing a whole new program with the website. The website's getting all redone. It's gonna be education for free. We want everybody to have access to free education about domestic violence prevention and, what to do if a loved one goes missing. So it's not just gonna be DV. It's gonna be a little bit everything in there. And we're gonna partner with other organizations that have, programs in place already that we can add to it. And I don't know. It's just gonna be it's a lot. And I'm I'm, like, probably high on caffeine right now, but, there's so many things because I have to, you know, to get through the day. There's so many things to do. So it's a lot of exciting stuff happening. I think 2025 is gonna be an amazing year. We have a lot of things going on. So yeah. Do you have any moments where from the Gabby Petito Foundation, from your speaking engagements and stuff that stick out to you where you're like, oh my god. Like, I can't believe these words helped this person. I'm sure there's a lot, but has there been anyone that walked up to you, said something to you personally? Because those are the stories that I love. I would when people go out of their way and talk to you, and, like, I want everyone to hear them. It's unbelievable. It happens almost everywhere we go. I was just at, a couple of months ago, a it was we were advocating for a missing person in Orlando. And this this woman comes up to me and she says, I've been meaning to to talk to you. She was kinda standing there the whole time, but she she kinda came up to me when she saw it was safe. Yeah. And she goes, I really wanna let you know that, you know, I I left my I I think she said it was her marriage after a long, long time, years of abuse. And I and it was because of Gabby and and what you guys are doing. She was a little bit of an older lady, so I was just like my my heart was just like, wow. We like, we inspired that? I mean and I always tell people, you did the work. Don't don't give anybody else the credit. You're the brave one. You decided to make that that move to get out. And as long as you do it in a safe way, I mean, I'm glad that we inspired it. But remember that to give yourself the credit because people say, you know, oh, it was it was you or it was God or it was this one. And I'm like, you did that. Right. You did it. So yeah. But it's cool though because you gave and you give people the, like, courage to really look at a situation maybe differently and not as foggy as, like, sometimes people are in. And, you know, just I'm sure, you know, people will understand this where you're in a situation, whether it's DV or anything, really, and you just sometimes look at it very differently because you're in it versus taking a step aside from it and looking at the whole picture versus you being, like, dead center in the picture. And that's amazing because I'm sure you know, I know when I read clients and just stuff like that where later on in life, people don't really get you know, I I do think it's generational based on, I think, me doing readings. I can kinda tell. Mhmm. But the older generation doesn't really like to get a divorce. Like, that's not what Mhmm. They foresee as, like, an outcome. Like, a lot of times, they'll just bite their lip or bite the bullet and just just kinda push through, and it's pretty amazing that someone of an older age came up to you and said because of you you guys speaking, because of Gabby, that she got the courage to do it. I think that's pretty awesome because it's not I mean, to me, it's not normal. Like, from me doing readings, I don't really see older women or men do that. They typically just stay in it. Mhmm. You're absolutely right. I think with, like, Gabby and how her case got so internationally huge Oh my god. For whatever reason because she's just a spirit that's crazy. So she touches so many people because I think she humanized domestic violence Mhmm. In the public eye. So, like, everybody thinks it happens to those people. Mhmm. You know, it doesn't happen to regular people. Happens to some other people that we know. You know? And it's like, no. No. It happens to everyone. And you could clearly see that Gabby on the screen, it's playing out in real time. Like, here she is, a real person. So I think a lot of people connected with that, and that's what made them realize, oh my gosh. That is me. Yeah. You know? Well, she's so relatable, I feel like. And I I I feel like when she was going through her travels in the van and, you know, documenting it, I feel like people, at least from my perspective of my age group, and I'm sure many people will could be like, I wanted to do that or I wanna do that with someone, and you can live through that person showing through that experience. And to me, you know, she was and, you know, when she comes through and just, like, in general speaking, she's such a strong person, and she has so much light in her, and she is shining light. Maybe the purpose of the Gabby Petito Foundation is shining light, at least from my perspective, on situations from all age groups, men, women, whoever, and she did that from, like she did that her like, with you guys obviously sharing the story, but I think, you know, what she went through was, I think, very difficult, obviously, but she's also very strong for it at the same time because she I mean, when she comes through, she comes through like such a loving and forgiving person. Like, she always is a very forgiving and, like, kinda seeing, you know, both sides. Like, that's kinda how I see her. Just, like, a very light spirit, like, someone who's strong but very light. And I will say this. From the last reading that you and I had, there was a point where what came up was she was looking to leave. Like, after a certain point, I'm sure so many people get pushed to a limit where they're like, I just need to whether it's leave to take a step back to breathe or just to leave in general, and I thought it was interesting when she was coming through. She was showing to me she wanted to go back to you. She wanted to go back to, like, the home roots, like, the roots of her home and just to get her stuff together. And can you share maybe some of that of, like, the interactions before that? Like, her wanting to come home and just to be with family, really, just to, like, reset. I mean, we all wanna do that. I always wanna do that. I wanna go back home, reset everything, and just then reassess what I have to reassess. And that's what I remember seeing, and I still do see it. So it's one of those where it was a very pivotal moment. I mean and she had already done that at one point. She she moved and came home because she got she got home sick and then moved to Florida. When they planned this trip, she was really excited about it. But when they were getting ready to leave for the trip, she had come home to New York before the trip the cross country trip was to start. And when she was in the driveway, like, ready to go, she gave me this hug, like, with and she was crying. And I I've told this story before, but I'll never forget it. I asked her why she was crying, and she said, I don't know. So and I was confused because I'm like, well, she's so happy and excited. I guess sometimes you get excited and you cry. But Yeah. My mom gut told me something else. That's why I asked her. I was like, are you sure? Like, are you okay? She was just like, yeah. I'm just really excited. And it was almost like she wanted to tell me something. Mhmm. And her way to tell me was through the crying, but I didn't I don't know. Like, I wasn't listening because I was so excited for her too. So but, yeah, I don't know if maybe she, at that moment, was like, I don't wanna go. Yeah. You know, it's it's funny because I I've I mean, I definitely seen people get so excited where they, you know, cry. They hug their parents and or whoever before they leave. But, you know, when I would tap into her, like, even the numerous readings that we've, you know, have have done, a lot of the times, what she was showing to me is, like, people don't break patterns. Right? Like, she keeps showing to me, like, a cycle. That's what she always shows me a circle, like, a cycle. Maybe you're good, but then it always reaches back to where you originally started. And what she was showing to me with that at the time and still now and, you know, the numerous readings is, you know, maybe the violence wasn't so physical at first. Right? Like or maybe it was just manipulative or just, like, mental abuse. And to me, when this comes up in readings, actually, I always tell people, you know, sometimes mental abuse is just as difficult as being hit because they're both leaving scars on you. Maybe not physical where you see a bruise, but it stays with you. And every time she smiles and is always giving a second chance, that's, like, that's what I see. It's always giving the second chance, and that's why I find, amongst many reasons, why she is amazing. It's always that second chance that she's saying, like, maybe someone's having a bad day or maybe they're just not doing well, but there's always the bright side. And that's what I always love about when I connect with her is, like, always seeing the glass kind of half full. You know? And with that to the after the whole, like, Utah situation happened Mhmm. Like, after that whole situation happened, you know, what I find interesting about Gabby just because when I connect with her is the second chance thing. It's like always the second chance, and she she would always show me that, you know, people have bad days. Like, people can have bad days, but after that happened when they were going towards Wyoming, Did you hear from her in that time period, or was it just like a gapped time where she was just gathering her thoughts? Oh, no. I spoke to her almost every day. That's what I figured. Looking back and I and I tell people who always ask me, like, well, did you did you know what was going on? Did you see any red flags? And what I tell people now is I didn't know it at the time. I thought she was just stressed out. But her attitude and mood was just so I I could use the word bipolar almost after the incident, especially that time period right before, Wyoming. She was, you know, doing the YouTube video and stuff. It was just anger and aggression. She would call me, crying. She would call me she was just like, I'm stressed out. I'm stressed out. And then Brian had left her there alone for a while. You know, she was in the hotel. So, if people don't know the story, they can definitely Google it, the timeline, and see what those dates are. But, yes, she she was off. She wasn't herself. And that is a red flag if somebody's off. So I I tell people, think about the person that you love. Don't necessarily look at the abuser or who might be an abuser as what what are they doing. Look at how the actions and the mood of the person that you think something's wrong and something's off and your gut is telling you that, then start asking them questions. I mean, at the time, I didn't know anything about domestic violence, so I wouldn't have known to ask those questions. But it would have been nice if I could have said, hey, is everything okay? Is there anything you wanna tell me? Just been open for her to talk to me. But yeah. It's it's so hard, like, in the moment. Like, people, like, including myself, if there's anything, it's like shoulda, coulda, woulda. Right? It's like, you know, you and it's I always tell people, like, you can't you can't really harp on that because you're looking at a situation from a logical perspective now. But when you're in the moment, it's in the moment. You're not like like what I've been saying, taking a step back and looking at everything for what it is. And I always tell people you can put blame on yourself just in any situation like that because, you know, you're in the moment. You're in the moment. I wanted to ask you this because this is interesting. That's, like, coming through Super random. You know? I can't control when stuff, you know, comes through, obviously. And, of course, she would. So Yeah. Yeah. Was there missing things in the van? Because she keeps showing to me, like it's really weird. I know this is a weird comparison to use. Have you been following the fires in LA? Yes. Okay. You know how Spencer, Pratt, and Heidi are like they're, like, all over social media right now about it because their house unfortunately burned down in the Palisades, and he's been, like, kinda like the voice, it seems, of you know, he's doing a great job. He's, like, always bringing awareness and being real about the situations. But one of the things he's, like, really known for is like a crystal, like, he's known for crystals, and Gabby keeps putting crystals in front of me. You do you know the rock that's like a circle, then you cut it in half? It's like purple crystal. I don't know what it's called, and people, please, please don't judge me because I don't know. I'm so sorry. I'm not a crystal judge. Crystal guy? No. I'm not a crystal guy. I'm not a crystal guy, but Okay. She keeps showing me a couple things, which is the crystal, and it's like a mattress or an air mattress or something. She's pointing at the mattress, and she's taking that rock that, like, he always has. He used to always put it in his videos. It's like a purple it it's big, and it's it's it's you can tell there's girth to it. It's a it's not a shallow rock, Crystal. I don't wanna I don't wanna piss anyone off if I don't know it, but she keeps pointing at that, and I'm not really sure why. And she's smiling and pointing at you and kissing you about it saying, like, you you can put the pieces together, but she keeps smiling at me and saying, like I mean, they couldn't be more different if I were to try in the grand scheme of things. Do you know what that means? Because I really Mhmm. Don't. I do. I do. I don't I don't wanna elaborate too much on it, but, yeah, the there there was a, similar to what you're describing. It was a crystal, and it is I this I didn't get it back. I don't have it. So that's gone. I'm not gonna say anything else about the rest of it. But yeah. But that does You're you're right on the money. Right on the money with everything. Yeah. No. I just wanna know because, like like I said, when those are coming through, they couldn't be more polar opposite if they, like, tried. So that's why I'm like, I don't really understand it. It's interesting how you made that connection and, like, how that works. It's just crazy. Yeah. Well, Gabby's like, he'll recognize this because this is something going on now. So that's how she showed you. Mhmm. I I wanted to let people know too, like, you and I have spoken before where I always wanna help families and you always wanna help families. Yeah. And we're still trying to figure out how we can do that. But I want people to know, like, since we last spoke until now, how many more families do you think you guys have, like, helped and because it seems like a lot. I there is no number that I you know, it's it's I I talk to people a lot, and I hope that I help them in some way. As a lot of the times, we guide people to different resources because that's, you know, where our connections are. Right. But, when it comes to like missing loved ones that are still missing, like we work with quite a few families, and we try to help them with, just keeping the story alive and keeping their loved one out there. All they want is resolution. A lot of families, especially after years years, know most likely that their loved one is gone. Right. But they just want the answers as to what happened to them. So that that's the hardest for me is working with those families. There's, like, a lot of DV families out there. Obviously, there's a I'm I'm I've connected with a lot of moms out there. So but as far as you and I, doing something together where I think that you really could help so many people even if even if it's just The closure. Little things to remind them that their loved one is still nearby. You know? That always helps people too. So I think that I have to ask the families if they're open to it, first of all, because you know with who you are, you know some people are not gonna want that. Yeah. But they might. And, if we can give them some kind of something. I don't even know what the right word is. It it maybe it'll it'll help them in some way. And it could be, you know, even just the moms or the families who have lost a loved one to DV too. Like, maybe they wanna hear from their loved one and make sure that they're watching over them and and they're doing the right thing. And I I know that helps me. You know, what's interesting is a lot more people, I think, and maybe I could be wrong, are more open to this than now, like, more now than they were in the past, and I just see it just in in general with other mediums or other people. And what I always tell people, especially when I work on cases is is, obviously, my goal is to be as helpful as I possibly can, but the reality of it is I try to at least bring one key piece of information to them, just one. That's all I want to do because it's Mhmm. Like, I don't go into cases thinking like, hey. I'm gonna find the person. I'm gonna solve the unsolved or I'm you know, like, that's not what I go into a lot of them with. And I think people misconstrued that a little bit where they think when law enforcement or families reach out that I give them who did it and why they did it, and this is where you need to go. And it's it's really not like that. It's just, like, one piece of information that keeps the ball continuously rolling for them, and I would love, obviously, to help any family that is okay with it for 1. And 2, if they just need something Mhmm. My goal is just to give them something. And, yes, on the closure side or the reading side, but mostly information. I try my best. That's just all I can do, I tell people, and you do too. You do your absolute best, and that's all we can do in these situations, really. I always feel bad if somebody if if there's somebody that we we really can't help because of whatever the situation is, and I'm always like, I just wish there was a way that I could help you, but, unfortunately, that I can't. And I can't help everyone. That's the other thing. It's like, I wish I could help everyone. Well, I I literally wanted to ask you this before, but how many people like, you must get, like, a lot of people reaching out probably asking you numerous questions, but one of the questions that I'm curious if they ask you is, do you know the recipe to make a case go national? Do you know the recipe or the secret sauce? And I'm sure it's, like, so difficult to, like, pinpoint exactly how something goes crazy national. It because if it was a perfect science, then I would assume a lot of people would figure it out and do it. But do you get that question a lot? Like, were were people like, what's the secret sauce to it? Yeah. People like, how did you do it? Right. I I always tell them, like, one, as a parent, I just did what I thought I had to do. And, you know, the first thing that I did was blast, her missing flyer all over Facebook. And I said, help me find my daughter. She's missing. For whatever reason, there was a perfect storm of of the timing, the circumstances, and, of course, Gabby having her videos and all tons of photos and being very present on social media, that was very helpful. There is no rhyme or reason to that. It just happened to fall out on the right time. I was told by media that that weekend, there was nothing going on. Really? So this became the big story because it just fell get into that right moment where there wasn't any other big stories going on. I had no idea. Yeah. I didn't know either until so somebody told me that, and I was like, that makes sense. Oh my god. Because if there was something crazy going on, say, like, the wildfires, this presidential stuff, whatever, it might not have caught on. It might not have. Another thing I wanted to bring up just to circle back because, you know, I my my mind can always go in 1,000 different directions and stuff. What did you think about when we did our first, episode, and then they took such an insignificant part of the whole thing, and they blasted it. I mean, like, I was on my honeymoon, and we were texting, and you were like, he's reaching out. I'm like, he's doing what? And I looked, and I was like, what the heck? And I was I was like, so like, Blake, where did that come from? Well, I guess people wanna hear what, Brian has to say. So maybe we'll have to do a reading one day where you try and bring him through. So I will do this. So, like, typically, I'm I like, when I work on cases and stuff, I stay away from those people. But if this is something that you want and it's only for you, if you want it, I'll do it for you, and we can do it however you wanna do it. But I will do it for you. We I'll connect to Brian for you, and we can do our thing. I think it would be interesting. I think it'd be interesting. I want people to understand, like, I I had a very good relationship with Brian. I saw he was you know, in my eyes, he was a good guy. I saw the good guy of Brian. So I don't want people to think that, and I did forgive him. You know, that was public knowledge that I I did forgive him. Yeah. I think they picked that up too. Yeah. When people see me, like, talking about him and or laughing and, talking about him and Gabby, like like like, I'm fine about it. First of all, I can't change the past. And secondly, I wanna live my life as best I can right now, and I can't be angry all the time. And I'm not gonna hold on to anger. I did forgive him for that reason so that I can go on and and help others. And, laughter is just some a way for, 1, for me to cope and, 2, for me to to get through the day. So Well well, laughter always makes everything better. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm I know people that in really bad situations, they laugh because they don't know what else to do, and it lessens a blow for them in Mhmm. Whatever capacity that it is. So I I get it. You know? You wanna try Yeah. And, you know, to hold on to anger for a very long time must be draining and tiring. Like, just to be angry It's not good for you. It's not good for your body, your brain. It's just it's it's sometimes, it's good to let go. And you may you don't have to forgive, but, it's good to kinda cut the ties there and then move forward with your life. Absolutely. Anger isn't gonna help change what happened. And I'd like to let people know. I don't remember if I said this on the last show, but, Brian did come to me in a dream. You didn't say this? Dream I had. Well, I'd love to tell you about it. Please share. But he came to me in a dream, and he wouldn't talk to me verbally. But, you know, in dreams when you kinda like mind read. So he he was trying to ask me for forgiveness. And, but he kept he was in he was afraid, and he kept looking over his shoulder. And I believe he was afraid of his mother. It just it was that's what I felt. I didn't see her. Mhmm. But I felt like he was afraid to talk to me, like he wasn't supposed to be talking to me. How dare he come talk to me? That dream is powerful. I woke up the next morning, and I'm like I think that was when I decided to to let it go and forgive him because I wasn't gonna hold on to that anymore. You know, it's funny you bring that up. For one, that's an amazing, like, experience that you had in the sense that it was so vivid for you that you can remember it. And I always tell people when you have dreams that are visits, if they're talking, it's a repressed memory. If you can see them, their mouths moving and talking, then you're like it's a repressed memory that you have. But if their mouth is closed and they're not speaking and you're doing a telepathic, like, mind reading or you can tell the situation, that's a visit because they come through showing images majority of the time. Like, sometimes I tell people in dreams, when you have a dream with a loved one, it's too overwhelming to not be so happy and over the top, whether it's like a family member or someone. But I tell people to take a step, again, take a step back, but look at the surroundings because the surrounding is the message most of the time. Like, they're putting you in a place with certain things, and that's the message. And then if you're getting that telepathic or that, like, you know what they're they're saying without their mouths, like, opening and closing, that's a message. That's like a visit from from them, and that's really powerful. That's very, very powerful. So I think that's amazing, and thank you for sharing that. But to wrap everything up, do you have any projects coming up? Anything you wanna share? Yeah. 2025 is crazy. There'll be a new site launching called the Gabbie Potato Alliance. It'll be connected to the foundation page. It'll be the same same web page. But in there, we'll be we'll house all of our education for free. So you can go in there and learn about a whole bunch of things that have to do with domestic violence prevention, what to do for loved one goes missing. I'm gonna be doing a webinar on how to make a what to do if I go missing binder. That's good. So you can actually have something for people to have in case because people go missing All the time. Over 600,000 a year. So Yeah. I mean, you think passwords, how to get in your phone, things like that is important. Yeah. And we're going to be partnering with Light the Way for the Missing. It's an organization that she's amazing. Her name is Shaina. And we we're gonna be working together a lot to help families. Just speaking a lot, we're gonna be at the National Conference for Crimes Against Women, which is in Texas in, I think, May. My months are all screwed up. But yeah. And a bunch of conferences will be in California. We'll be I think we'll be in Denver at some point. We're gonna be at CrimeCon Denver in September. So, yeah, a lot lot going on. Busy busy busy here. That's awesome. Well, I just wanna say thank you for coming on again. This isn't gonna be the last time you're on, obviously. I think we all know this. Of course not. Nicole, I just wanna say thank you so much for coming on. And, guys, if you have anyone in your family, friends that has been suffering from domestic violence or a missing person, please go to the Gabby Petito Foundation. It's gabbypatitofoundation.org, and you can get all types of resources there. They're trying to help all families, and, also, don't wait to call the National Domestic Violence hotline at 1-800-799 safe. Now, guys, the trailer came out. Go give it a watch. It's going to be a very eye opening documentary, and please watch it when it comes out. And do not forget, Nicole is coming back when the documentary officially comes out. But once again, guys, I just wanna say thank you so much for joining me, and please do not forget to rate and review the show 5 stars. It helps out so much. Alright, guys. I'll see you next week.

Past Episodes

On today?s episode, Jonathan is joined by David Ferrugio of the Dead Talks podcast for an in-depth conversation about the nature of death and how to cope with loss. After sharing his harrowing and heartbreaking personal experiences with the 9/11 terrorist attacks as a child growing up in New York, David and Jonathan discuss how the cultural conversation is finally evolving to better help men deal with and understand grief. Later, Jonathan shares some insights into what it is like for him to perform his readings, how he started working as a professional medium, and his methods for overcoming skeptics. Be sure to check out David?s podcast, Dead Talks, at deadtalks.net or wherever you get your podcasts. And as always, if you want to connect with Jonathan, you can follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or drop us an email via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:44:05 3/10/2025
On March 31st, 2024, David Gibson was shot in his home in front of his eldest daughter. Today, Jonathan speaks with his wife, Anbria, to tap into the late father of three. After reviewing the night of the murder with Anbria, Jonathan is able to identify a person of interest to the case. Finally, Jonathan and Anbria discuss how this terrible crime has affected not just her family, but her entire community. If you have any knowledge that might help the investigation into the death of David Gibson, please contact Detective Terry Butler at tbutler@ci.mansfield.oh.us or by calling 419-755-9725. And remember, if you want to connect with Jonathan, you can follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or drop us an email via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:00:00 3/3/2025
In this episode, Jonathan dives back into recent true crime cases with our first international guest. Today?s guest, who chose to remain anonymous to protect the integrity of the investigation, lost her mother in 2022. On February 17th, Traie Olsen was last seen refueling her car at a gas station outside of Brisbane. Her abandoned vehicle was later discovered, but her body was never recovered. Now, Jonathan taps in to shed new light on the case. If you have any information on the case discussed in today?s episode, please call Crime Stoppers Australia at 1-800-333-000. Finally, if you want to connect with Jonathan, please follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or drop us an email via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:00:00 2/24/2025
Jonathan meets with Lacey Allen to tap into her husband?s grandfather, Richard E Jackson. Richard died under mysterious circumstances in Gloversville, NY on Mother?s Day (May 10th) 1981. After explaining why this case feels personal to him, Jonathan connects to Richard to unearth new details about his suspicious death, and understand why only perfunctory investigation was done at the time. If you know anything about the death of Richard E Jackson, please reach out to connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. And remember you can always follow Jonathan on Instagram via @jonathanmarkmedium. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:00:00 2/17/2025
Testing the limits of his abilities, Jonathan tackles his coldest case yet, the unsolved murder of Odessa Meister. After her body was recovered in 1952 with signs of blunt force trauma, her husband was considered a suspect despite being the one to report her disappearance. Today Jonathan is joined by that suspect?s granddaughter, Anna Zambreny, to try and exonerate her family and unearth new clues about the murder of Odessa Meister. If you have any information regarding the case of Odessa Meister, please contact the Maryland State Police at 410-653-4211. And as always, if you want to connect with Jonathan and possibly be a part of the podcast, follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or drop us an email via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:00:00 2/10/2025
Today Jonathan speaks with retired FBI agent Richard Frankel. After some background on Rex Heuermann and the Gilgo Beach murders, Jonathan dives into a fascinating conversation about the view from inside the bureau. Richard Frankel shares details about how the FBI academy training is like ?college with guns and driving,? his involvement with the Long Island serial killer investigation and other major cases, and how social media can hinder or help an investigation. If you want to connect with Jonathan and possibly be a part of the podcast, follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or drop us an email via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:32:21 2/3/2025
Today, Jonathan catches up with Nichole Schmidt of the Gabby Petito Foundation. Together, they discuss how to spot the warning signs of domestic violence and why the Gabby Petito case resonated with so many in the true crime world and the wider media. Later, Jonathan reveals that he?s ?not a crystal guy.? If you or someone you know is dealing with domestic violence, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline 800.799.SAFE(7233). Finally, if you have information on the Gabby Petito case, you can reach out via X (@gabbyfind) or Facebook (facebook.com/gabbyfindthemissing/). You can learn more about the Gabby Petito Foundation here: Website: gabbypetitofoundation.org Facebook: facebook.com/gabbypetitofoundation Instagram: instagram.com/gabbypetitofoundation/ X: x.com/gabbsfoundation Tiktok: tiktok.com/@gabby_petito_foundation YouTube: @gabbypetitofoundation And remember, if you want to connect with Jonathan and possibly be a part of the podcast, follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:37:07 1/26/2025
Today Jonathan meets Yvonne Devries, whose son Max Devries disappeared in 2004. After detailing the persistent mystery of what happened on the waters of Aruba that fateful day, Yvonne and Jonathan discuss memories of Max. Later, Yvonne and Jonathan detail how to keep attention on a case after the media spotlight has moved elsewhere. If you have any information on Max Devries or if you want to reach out to Yvonne about the case, you can contact her on TikTok at @ycdevries or on Facebook via the Max to the Millions group. And remember, if you want to connect with Jonathan and possibly be a part of the podcast, follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or drop us an email via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:27:08 1/20/2025
Today, Jonathan connects with Francie Wayland, a private investigator, to discuss a case with great personal significance to her. Her friend, Tara Breckenridge, disappeared from the Houston area on August 3, 1992. Police had a suspect, but Tara?s remains were never recovered, and no arrest was ever made. Now, over 30 years later, Jonathan taps in to Tara in order to uncover new leads on where the body may be hidden, and why it has taken so long to find her. If you have any information on the disappearance of Tara Breckenridge, please contact Francie at ATX Investigations, 512-900-5817. You can also email Francie at Francie@ATXInvestigations.com. And remember, if you want to connect with Jonathan and possibly be a part of the podcast, follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or drop us an email via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:31:25 1/13/2025
On today?s episode, Jonathan meets with Amelia Courtney, a podcaster investigating cold cases in the Tennessee area. After an unexpected reading, Amelia gives some background on the murders of Carla Atkins and Vickie Stout. Later, Jonathan and Amelia discuss some of the challenges unique to bringing true crime cases to public attention, whether that is dealing with a mixed reaction from law enforcement or a sudden avalanche of dubious new tips. If you have any information on the murders of Carla Atkins and Vickie Stout, please contact the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation's (TBI) at 1-800-TBI-FIND. You can hear more from Amelia by following her podcast, Murder At Land Between the Lakes. And as always, if you want to connect with Jonathan and possibly be a part of the show, follow @jonathanmarkmedium on Instagram and send him a DM, or reach out via connectjonathanmark@gmail.com. This is a Redd Rock Music Podcast IG: @reddrockmusic www.reddrockmusic.com
00:35:17 1/6/2025

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