Aubrey O'Day Has a Mouth Made for Podcasts

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mhm. Welcome to the inevitable. A podcast by motor trend. Hi there. This is the inevitable, this is the new podcast from motor trend. Where we talk about what's going to happen to the future of the car. We're talking about E. V. S. We're talking about cars that drive themselves. Cars that don't even have steering wheels. Where are we going And how are we gonna get there? I'm joined as always by my co host the lowest of the low mr Motor trend Ed Lowe doing it. It's weird. It's weird for L. A. It's really weird. I drove here in a jeep and I'm leaving in a plug in jeep. I'm leaving in the jeep four XC. Hopefully the battery is full so I can enjoy the electric experience today though. Really interesting guests because it's a guy I work with every week. Not you. Spike Feresten so spike for those of you who don't know. Uh he's a tv writer by trade comedian, funny guy. He wrote the soup Nazi episode of Seinfeld. So his place in history is secured on our last day. He told me that no one in 40 years will be reading me. And it was really a dark depressing moment. Um but anyways, but he's he's a huge car person. I'm trying to get away from the term car guy because it's, you know, not inclusive. But he's a big Porsche collector. Um and it'll it'll be interesting because he recently bought his wife a Tesla model y interesting because I think given his background, I did a bunch of reading, I prepped as usual and he's owned a lot of very interesting cars. Yes, A lot of exotic vehicles. A lot of Porsches. Um, I'm very curious to see whether that purchase, what it means to him, whether he's a convert. I would have to say, I'm gonna bet. How would you guess? How would you like? Probably not. Like, you know, if you're buying a, if you're, you know, if your wife has a vehicle doesn't mean you necessarily approve, You might make a decision based on her knees and his wife just so you know, it's like, it's, it's, it's, uh, I don't know if you, if you watched, uh, curry enthusiasm, but, but Cheryl Larry's fictional wife on the thing is like, you know, kind of left her career to become an activist and maybe it's modeled on Spike's wife. I don't know, probably not. But she's really politically active. Like she's had all the BLM protests and this and that. And I know Spike has told me that he's had a long history with the Prius that was initiated by his wife. Yeah. So I would say all this is evidence to me that Spike would maybe will smile through gritted teeth about the model. Why, but it will be like, no way man I am internal combustion or for life, the gasses in my veins, etcetera, etcetera. Well, I'll say this, I do know the answer and I don't think he's getting rid of his Porsche collection anytime soon. However, we'll find out. But let me ask you this, have you? Well, first of all we know where you are on TVs, but you know, you obviously went through a conversion, you started Your career in your car career at least as it was sport compact car, right? Actually had a little tiny publication out of Orange County called Import Racer. Not to be confused with import tuner, import races. Even smaller. It was a bi monthly, it was like 60,000 cirque. Uh, you went through a period where, you know, you were all in on internal combustion and then what, what, what, what changed you, what was I would still say I'm a big internal combustion fan. Like I'm a big look, I think around the office, we say, right, and this is an Angus Mackenzie is um, um, I always tell people we are, first of all, it's not like we are agenda free at motor trend, like we are pro car, it is not pedestrian trend, it's not bicycle trend, it's not mobility, it is not, it is not scooter trend, right? It's all about automobiles. Cars. We, we love them. We want all of them to be good. And this is the Angus Mackenzie is um, and were disappointed when they're not very true, right? And I think actually in this moment we're at, which is really interesting is that people ask me all the time what car should I buy, like what should I do? You know what, what should I consider and what and sometimes if they're smart, they asked me what should I avoid and like it's very hard to actually say there aren't really, there are no real lemons out there. There are no terrible cars like, but truly awful. Like I would say like, oh my God, like it's either unsafe or a total waste of money. Like it's all up to you. Like what you want, what you like we are. And then if you go to the other end from the performance side, this is like the golden age of gas powered horsepower were like, this is like peak. We're talking bout insane numbers that I think we have another five years of this golden age too. I think it's going to the car's internal combustion cars are going to keep getting better and better and better until, but even even with V eight's kind of on their last, their last gasp, like naturally aspirated V eight, like just going away almost completely that 06 isn't even out yet, right? That's gonna be the best V eight of all time. And they will, they'll, they'll be, they'll be, you know, they'll be eight years of that or however long, you know, so I still think golden golden ages platinum age is coming. So to your and to your question. Um, I love cars. I love internal combustion cars and it really is, you know, the, the podcast, the content series, we're doing, we call it the inevitable this is and I love, I love, I'm gonna beat everyone to death with the name, but it is the inevitable podcast. It is inevitable that we do this, it's inevitably talk about TVs, but I've been under tremendous pressure to do something like this for a long time. And I always have, yes, and I've always said it's not we're not ready like that. We've received no signal, no signal at all from our audience that they that they care anything about electric vehicles except when they're Tesla. And this is something that we noticed in the last 18 months, you know, traffic to our online stories on TVs Going through the roof 3, 380% or something on on page views alone and like, you know, for the end of 2021 that in the top 20 articles for the year, seven of them are on electric vehicles and they're not all seven or Tesla uh, Caribbean is in there are truck of the year, are lucid, our car of the year was in there and yes, for different, the lightning and the most incredible thing about those of you guys who know media and online media, I said year to date. So, lightning, the lightning announcement in 2021 was early in the year and so and that the stuff just builds so as thanks to search engines and all that stuff, like that traffic remains high Lucid and Rivian were later in the year, these are like, these are like summer and they still managed to crack the top 20. Right? So this means that and again, the other thing this again, we're super nerdy out here. But the traffic that we get on motor trend dot com comes almost that the vast majority comes from search engines. It's literally people going into google and typing in what they want to see what how much is the Tesla cost is one of our biggest stories. You know, what is a lucid, what is a rivian? That's how people can find our content. So literally we have a very strong signal. People are now interested mass adoption of electric vehicles, electrified vehicles we think is inevitable. That's why we're here. It's also changed my mind personally. I've been talking to my wife like our next vehicle has to be on tv for a number of reasons. But honestly some of the professional, like I need to, I've driven a lot of VVS, I drive them for work, but I don't have any experience with like regular home charging and there is something to be said about putting your money where your mouth Exactly. I, I bought an Alfa Romeo Giulia a I love it. But be, we did pick it as car of the year and and and to buy something that wasn't that, it's sort of like well why did you pick it? You know, but I do love, but since Ed won't answer the question, I remember very well and this is and again when they write the history books about, you know, I don't know the E. V. I think there will be a moment in there when we named the model? S car of the year and and before that, you know, I'd driven, I've driven the Tesla Roadster wasn T. V. Had driven and I've driven a couple other E. V. S and they were just all, you know, there wasn't many. But yeah, I remember that one kota. Yeah. And they were they were just really bad, right? And then, and and in the year before we had actually voted the Chevy volt, Not quite Navy, but the first plug in electrified and, but I didn't vote for it for car of the year. I think I had it like second place. Um, but I remember when we were at that moment when we voted and you know, and I it was it was unanimous and that means that all 11 of us felt the same way strongly that this brand new thing was the car of the year. And I remember I asked the question, I said, you know, put your hand up, if you said anything personally or professionally mentioning that the model? S was going to be vaporware, remember I'll never, I don't know if you remember this, but 10 hands went up, one hand didn't as your hand and you said something like my mom said, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything. And it and it was, it was such an unbelievable moment because all of us had professionally basically ragged on this thing. Like it's never gonna happen. There's no way you can do it. It's the next tucker. And now you know, the other day I read that there's more Tesla's were registered in the US than I think BMWs or whatever it was combined. No, it wasn't combined, but there was more more Tesla suv sell than anyways, sedans than than, than all the german luxury brands together if you can't model three model is. But anyways, like I'll just never forget that moment. And also remember that was the same week that Ellen docked his rocket ship with the international space station. Like pretty crazy moment in time if you go back and look at this. Yeah. And I, yes, and we, we, we, it's a topic we revisit a lot. Especially now it's, it's always great to look back on the ones that uh, you know, actually were newsworthy and, and significant. Like we don't maybe talk a lot about the Malibu or, or, or the let's not talk about that at all. How about uh, but you know, Yeah, I, I remember the conversations that occurred after that 2013 car the announcement of Tesla model s and um, the former CMO, this guy George blankenship. He came from Apple. He seems like a year later we got, we, we, we got together at some event. He's like, you know, honestly you guys giving us that award in the fall of 2012 was the inflection point. It was the start of this hockey stick and uh, where everybody, then other awards came and we turned the tide of opinion because yes, Angus had been very vocal, you have been fairly vocal, but Angus have been several columns about how these Silicon Valley guys, what do they know about cars? They're going to find out. And then the difference is all this automotive, this corners, we drove the thing and we just said, okay, this is like really good. We don't know anything about the business plan or how the company, the other part of that that day, that really stands out in my mind was after we've given the award, we'd all kind of settled down. We realized that like, you know, Tesla has no money, they're not going to advertise and like the publisher is going to kill us and everything was chris Theodore. So one of our guest judges is usually almost always this guy chris Theodore who was a former head of Engineering for Chrysler and he became the head of engineering for ford and he's like, he's like, I absolutely believe that the car that the Tesla should be the car of the year, the business plan makes no sense? I do not see how this business plan works. He's like, I, and I remember when we went to the party in new york and we're partying with Ellen and uh, you know, his lady friend at the time and chris was still sitting there on the couch, you know, like drinking a martini going, I don't see how this business plan makes any sense. But its car of the year, it's not business plan, business plan. But remember to, you know, we didn't buy any of course because we're ethical journalists. But when we made the announcement, I think Tesla stock was 19 bucks a share by the night of the party was up to like 79 or 80 or something like that. It had risen a lot. And then, you know, now it's like last time I checked, I don't know, it's been a little bit of a down market, but it's over 1000. But it's well, it's split over 6000. It was over 6000 times. Yes, but it would have been bought Bitcoin at the same time. It was up 60,000. So anyway, well all that's a great uh, to a comedy writer, but it was like coming into, yeah, I can't wait to fill spike in and all this. And actually get his opinion on whether his personal move towards electrification is in his mind a signal to bigger things for across the industry, across the sort of consumers and also, you know, as a car collector like are these things, are these battery powered vehicles collectible I think is kind of because car collecting is really exploded, especially during the pandemic. Um, you know, used car prices are at uh, you know, not only an all time high, but like a forever all time high. They'll never do this again. So yeah, it should be a good conversation. Let's get him in here. All right, come on Spike, Alright, well we're here with Spike Feresten. He is the host of the podcast I'm on called Spike's car radio. Heard about it. Heard about it. Yeah, yeah, pretty good, pretty good. Uh you're also notable. You've written for a number of tv shows but you're here because you are a pretty major car collector, specifically a Porsche collector. But you purchased a model Y Tesla model y for your wife and you haven't shut up about it in about three months, four months. And we want to talk about how someone goes from, you know, driving around in the 1958 Porsche speedster to not being able to stop talking about a Tesla tv. Let's do it. I'm ready and let's answer the question. The name of this podcast is Evey ownership inevitable is electrification in your life inevitable. That's the Yeah, you think so. I know. I know so johnny, do you guys know? So that's why you're even making the podcast, we're asking you Well, yeah, one and johnny will attest to this. It always makes me laugh when our co host Zuckerman who we have a little sound button that goes, OK, boomer. Every time he talks about electric, I just can't get around it. I'm never, you don't have to make that decision. It's coming, whether you like it or not, that's inevitable, right? It's just coming. And how do we know that? Well, you know, I, I didn't grow up in California, but I always saw that what was happening in California tends to sweep across the country, except for the coronavirus comes the other way, but we're here, you know, we, I think embraced electric before anyone else primarily because we have nice weather, we don't have snow and you have California thinkers here, uh, johnny and I, and people in yourself in the automotive world, get these press cars and you get to see big picture stuff. You know, I've always been able to see big picture stuff, as long as I've been driving pretty much everything. You see the direction of cars in a way other people don't, and when you drive this electric stuff and you experience it, you realize this is this, there's a revolution happening, right, right. And I looked, you know, I got this model, y and I looked at my garage and my Saunders electric bike. And I go, oh God, here it is, here, it's here. It's coming and you don't have to make the decision that the decision is made for you and it's gonna be amazing. It's really going to be great. So why? Okay let's get I want to get into because yeah I agree. It's inevitable to write the title of our show. But you also really like the model, y you're constantly like the model. Why did this? You know? So so what is it because right now for the next at least you know, for five years you still will be able to buy as many gasoline cars as you want and is getting better. But what what what do you like so much about the E. V. Experience? Well let me back up to how my family got this suv this electric thing, right? I think like a lot of folks, you know and it was all driven by my wife whose politics were like I I want to get out of fossil fuels as far back as when they started created that Prius, the first Prius came out right? She goes I'm getting that Prius and she loved it. And I was like what the hell is this? It's ugly. This hybrid I go everything it stands for, she goes in it's gonna and it was green, it was green metallic because I want to be green spike and I was like I'm gonna vomit from all of your politics and this car. I can't believe I have to look at this in the driveway And then I got it and I'm like, oh, this is kind of fun, right? And I enjoyed the technology and I saw some kids pointing at me and I rolled down my window and they went, hey, nice Prius. And then they gay bashed me. They used the F word and I went, I went, what? They go, yeah, nice breeze. And they said, I was like, oh my God, what is? So that's kind of as a car culture. That's kind of where I enter, Right, Four Priuses later four, it was three the other day, there was 1/4 Prius one got smashed, one got smashed. Erica because I need to do something different. So she tiptoes a little closer with the 5 30 EI performance, which is a plug in hybrid BMW. That gets 17 miles. All electric. Right? What you learned from that experience as you're getting closer to this, uh, jumping into the cold pool of electric is, I love these 17 miles, but they are not enough, right? And you've got a little gas tank. So you're still going to the gas station a lot, but you're like this electric, this quiet this experience is something I really like, Right? So lease is up. She goes, I don't know what to get. I said, you're, you're lucky. I used to host a show called the car matchmaker. I can figure this out. You don't know what you're talking is argument. And I say, let I found your, she know you hosted a show called the card. That's kind of like my wife does not trust my opinion when I give my opinion on a car. She's like, well, why should I listen to you? I'm like any, any, any husband listening right now is going, yes, that's me too. I know a lot about this and my wife does not want to hear any of it. Anyway. I said, if you just trust me, I think I can find the perfect E. V. For you. And I did my research. You know, I listen to johnny a lot. He's, he drives a lot of stuff. And yeah, every all roads lead to the model y for a variety of reasons, but primarily hatchback, three roads, uh, 300 plus electric miles of range because I didn't want to say this. She's gonna forget to plug the damn thing in and then she's going to be taking my defender. Okay, So here it is. This is it. I put in the order it comes. I tell her good news. I ordered you a model. Y she said, what? I said, just come to Malibu, uh, to the Tesla place sunday and will drive it and you're gonna, you're gonna love it. Right? We go down there. It's such an amazing experience. It's already different. Everything that I've done up until that point. I have not talked to a dealer. I was on a website, I gave them a credit card. I expect a card, there weren't a lot of choices. And they said the car is going to be delivered and you know, I think it was a couple of months. Things got delayed a little bit, but it's, it's all there and I'm not talking to anybody, right? I go to, I go to the Malibu place, they go, just come in, we'll give you a car and they go, okay, hi, just take that one. There's no driver's license, there's no anything. They just give me the key to one of their Tesla's Erica goes, that's it. And I go, yeah, get in. I go, hey, how does this autopilot driver assist program work? He goes, just hit the stock a couple of times. He goes, okay, you'll be fine. Just go, they push us out of the dealership. Right again. These are things that don't happen up in my life until this point and we're driving around this thing. I'm freaking out. I drive it first, driving in the cane. She drives it back, we get out of the car. She goes, I hate this. I can't, she goes, I can't, I can't drive this. I said, what do you mean? She goes, it's like a golf cart, the stop and the go and I say, well it's a little too late for that. But I knew you were going to say this and let me tell you what's going to happen in a week, maybe a little longer than a week possibly in a couple of days. You're gonna walk into the kitchen, you're gonna give me a kiss and you're gonna go, Holy, you were right. This is the greatest thing I've ever driven. And that happened. You know, it was a couple of days and she said the classic remarks, I was at a red light looking at the 76 gas station and gas was $6 again. And I was like, I don't do that anymore. You're never going back. You're never going back. She said, you know, the, the golf cart driving that I rephrased and threw back to her as one pedal driving eliminates a step, be getting into the car and it's already on and it knows how to drive. It eliminates a step and she starts to see how many steps have been eliminated to make her life easier. I get into the, the model y and I just see no choices. I just see a nice kind of forward dash and not a lot of decisions to make and the thing knows what I want to and suddenly I'm in love, but primarily for me. Right? So she's over the moon about it. I couldn't drive it today. I tried to drive it here today and she goes stay away from my wife. That's how protective she is now, but you can see how the family is like coming around to this, you know, one of the simplest things, the gas station is at your house now, right? Imagine taking your iphone and plugging it in down the street, right? That's what we're all doing when we're putting gas once it's like on demand content in entertainment and then once you start there, that's it. You never go back. It's funny how hard That's such a good point because I, I've been saying this since the model s was like, hey, you wake up with a full tank of gas. Like all you gotta do is go to bed, you want to go to the gas station. It's kind of like what you plug it in and people are like, oh, but charging, where do I charge it? Like listen, you're not road tripping every day of your life. Yes, If you do a road trip, you've got to plan a little bit, you know, big deal, but you do have to do that. But everyone, everyone's like always convinced that charging is going to be a huge part of their day and it's just not, it's just not, not in any way range anxiety, none of it is real. Those aren't real. You can have range anxiety with guests and, and, and here's, there's such pleasant surprises at least with Tesla, right? You have this charging network, right? So there's one in Malibu by bills where we go and we have coffee. It becomes something really fun to do. You. you go, hey, I'm just gonna go charge this thing up. I'm going to get a cup of coffee with bill and suddenly I have 100 150 miles like five minutes later you walk back and it's a nice experience, which you don't have that experience at a gas station. Right? The big surprise for me was the app and the software we talked about this. Yeah. Yeah. Again, you open up this app just real quick. This is something that is as reviewers who get cars for like a week. We don't necessarily get to do a deep dive into like the update. Yeah, we don't, we don't get, you know, so I'm, I always hear from you and lots of other people about how much they love. I woke up and the car is different or the app did this or whatever. Yeah, updates. You know, we've talked on our show, it's like a range, my, my defender got one update, which was a cool update. It went from a connected car play two wireless carplay but and I'm not even going to say it's about updates because let's, that's, that's cool. But we get updates on our iphone every day and that's not such a big deal. The cool stuff on the app. Open it up is again, there's nothing extra. There's no, I don't have to figure anything out. There's just these simple choices right here, my controls, my doors, the temperature of the car right now where the car is um, one upgrade if I wanted, I can make it faster from 0 to 60 from 47 to 4 to which I don't care about how much is that? $2000. But that's, that's pretty smart. I mean it's, it's a good drop, but I'm thinking about from the other side from side like you're gonna do that, you're gonna get drunk and you're gonna hit that one night late. Yeah look there it is acceleration boost but I mean that's brilliant. That's like, wow and then, but you don't need it because the car is quick, it's 47 if your, if your spouse is driving it like 47 is already super good summon, which you go, why would I want to do that? Right here's where someone, it's someone I always thought was about showing off, right? You know, look, look what I can do is stand back and make your karma. I have used, I used it I would say once a week because I'll have the car will be in the driveway or it'll be somewhere and someone say, hey, can you move this for a second and I've done it from up in my office, looking down in my driveway, I press it and the car just goes the way of a gardener or something. They're like, what is happening and in that moment you fall in love with Tesla in that moment, right There you go. This, I can't not have these things in all of my new cars anymore. And you start to, you know, I love my defender, but you get into it and it feels old, it feels like the old old, but it feels like the old version of what a car might be okay. And that is a, that's an amazing feeling. So, you know, for me now and you know that I may be trading in that defender any minute, any minute now. I've had it now for a year by the way, they've got the rack coming. Yeah, yeah. Steve Carell actually he bought one and he, he said, I don't want the rack in the snorkel and I said, well, I'll take it. Um, so for those of you who have never heard Spike show the sports car radio. That's a scoop for you. It's, yeah, it's long running joke that like it's been a year of spike trying to get a rack and, and, and land rover, like not helping at the same moment, land rover actually did source 12 and so now I have two racks, which is bizarre. Anyway, you know, uh, it's, I'm thinking about the Rivian truck kind of based on your drive and your love of this stuff. You talked about lucid and how much you love them and they've been out in Malibu and, and you know, I'm a fan, but it's, you have to have, in my opinion, you have to have these apps and this software and this usability. Now, if you're going to have an electric car, you can't, I love the thai con, but you can't just have that, you need to have this because Tesla is bigger than the vehicle. We'll do, you need this and the supercharger network, you need all of it. As I understand, I thought Tesla was going to open up their supercharger network to everybody and said that he was going to open it up and they have a was that Sweden or one of the nordic countries Norway put a gun to their head and said, you have to open up. So that, that's what sort of that got the headline, whether they do it in the rest of the world is Tesla says a lot of things that they don't necessarily follow through with, you know, move fast break things, but here's, here's something I learned in three seasons of car matchmaker. Everybody hates dealerships as much as I do. No one likes to go there, No one likes to go there for repairs. What's the number that it's like 70, of people wish the dealership experience was better faster. Such a weird minority. I love car dealerships because like they just there for hours, just let me show you the box I bought, I bought when I got my alpha I was in and out in 26 minutes, that's how it was. It was unusual. But again, they can't pull a fast one on me, you know, so I'm running an extreme minority when we got our Tesla is like two minutes. No, I know they didn't. They didn't, they just drop it off in your driveway or something? They do, yeah, Yeah. You don't even have to be home. They just go, we'll leave it wherever you want to leave it and they leave this thing there and then they activated and it's off. Forget about that. That's right. But that's the by part now that now the fixed part. Right? As I admitted to you on the podcast and I'm not proud of myself. I'm ashamed. I scratched the out of my wife's windshield with a brillo pad trying to clean some sap off of it like an idiot. I got up at 6 30 in the morning. I wasn't and I was just going to wait and by the time I clean everything off the green side of the pad, I went, oh my God, I'm not supposed to do this. I couldn't. And I ruined her windshield. So I had to get that fixed. I went onto the app. I requested the service. They said, you want to go here on this day. I go, yes, I drop it up. They go, thank you. Here's your new car. I leave. They had a loaner Tesla waiting the windshield. There was also a problem with the hatch. The struts on the hatch. That's going to take another day. I'm getting texts all day long from Wesley at Tesla. We'll have it Wednesday. Don't worry, Tuesday. Hey, just remember tomorrow we'll have it. Hey, it's done. I was driving on the pacific Coast Highway. Hey, it's done. I've stopped. I pressed the button and I apple pay, your car is ready. I text my wife. You can go get it whatever you want. She shows up. They give her her car and she leaves. She goes, there was no guy sitting there with paper going, Who's your service advisor? Right. You see how quickly everything was done and you see how you can't go back after that normal. So I'm dealing with that now because my little ford blew up and so it's being diagnosed at the dealer and there's a lot of the service advisor and you know, dropped it off at the wrong security guard and who has a key and there's a lot of nonsense. Well, so how much of a sea change is this for you personally? Right. You've been in love with cars for a long time. You know, you should list out what, what do you own? Well, no, I tried to drive old Porsche is in terms of your old Porsche. Right now. I'm just driving the eighties cars the most, You know, the old Zagato 3 56 that you see how many, how many old air cooled porches. I don't like to get into all the numbers in my car is just more or less than 10. Uh, right around there. Okay, that's that's a good collection. Yeah, it goes up and down. It's been as few as two and it sometimes goes up over 10. But I like old air cooled manual gearbox cars. That's what I like to collect. And then, but you mentioned that you've had four Priuses and then you had the BMW, you're always buying that car for her. This is the first one that I've coveted the model. Y what does that what span is that would you say from your entrance into into first a hybrid then a plug in hybrid suv. Is that is that a 10 year span? Well, what year is the first Prius year? So I would say 6000, I would say the first Prius was 2006 because it was delivered to me on set while my wife was away and I crashed it on the first day. That's good. Someone crashed into it. But I was not supposed to be driving it. Thank you. Thank you. It's funny the studio where I used to do my eye the first time I met you, I was sitting. Right, right, but always where you are? I'm sorry and you're sitting here. Yeah. Yeah. It's something the tables have turned, I love this place. So 2006 was in the fall or summer of 2016, 15 years has been your terrifying experience. Yeah. And you know, I can say that my interest in it only started with that BMW where I started to go. Maybe I want to see this, Why don't I let Erica deal with it? And I'll drive it periodically and get you know, think about what it's like. And I wasn't there until I drove that Tesla on that day, on that test drive, I was in that car and for the first time I went this should have, I should have got this, she should have got the defendant real quick, real quick. So so you know you're you're all in on the model y but I know you've driven a thai con I have and you're known as a large portion of its they've engineered Porsche into the driving experience. But would you get, I know you said about the app, you wouldn't get a taika not yet, not yet because of the app. Look, I I love the Porsche brand and it will always be my favorite brand. The one thing they don't get right is and you know, and I've said this to the guys when I meet them, I am tired, we used to say in a long time, I'm tired of these giant books of instructions with 20 pages dedicated to the radio. I don't want to have to figure out how to unlock my door and whether it's one or two, there are too many choices here. We don't have time for this stuff and Porsche in the 992, which I was in yesterday and the brand new turbo driving around. Um it they've made it easier and ergonomically the cabin is nice and everything is where it is. It's there's still too much going on in there. Right? When you look at that, that model y it's off putting or a model three, you go, there's nothing here and you feel like maybe I'm not getting my money's worth that very quickly turns into this is really relaxing. You know, I'm not being distracted by temperatures and pressures that I, all of this information I don't need or don't want. No, that's such a great point because even like, like in the new Bentley, you know, it's got a lot going on on the screen, but there's a button where you can hit the thing and it's a piece of wood flips over and it's just looking at wood and then there's a there's like a dark mode for the, for the instrument cluster and just, you know, just a speedometer. It's all, it's all right. It's a great point, right? If it is inevitable that mass adoption of electrified vehicles, electric battery, electric vehicles is coming. The much greater percentage of that pie is people who I actually don't care that much about the car, right? Like they're not, they're not enthusiasts like that. They're not like super jazzed about sports cars are all the bells and whistles and tuning in all this fun stuff. They just want to a great experience gets from point A to point B safely quietly smoothly. And yeah, you're not, you don't have all these decisions you need to make or even look at because it's not right there in front of it and I would add this, You're gonna love it. It's like saying, you know, it's like resisting the guys who have iphones. I'm not gonna touch that iphone now. Um, and I remember the, they invented the cellphone and who's gonna get that? What kind of jerk would be there with the cell phone right now. We all have two of them, Three of them, right? We can't stay off of that. I remember and we love them. I remember I was, I was for whatever reason when the, when the iphone came out, I was very anti Apple, but no, for no good reason whatsoever. I just was. And I bought like three things that weren't iphones, You know what it was? Like, like, like God even knows what whatever it was, whatever it was they said they're all gone wiped off the face of the earth by Apple. But I remember the first time I saw somebody's iphone and he's like, look at this and he pulled up a web page and I was like, that literally changes the world. And then I bought the worst phone ever made that had like, you know, pop out keyboard, but it had a screen, you could get a web page. Never worked, never worked. And yes, it it was inevitable that was gonna get an iphone because you know, and I always tell people that they're like, you know, how are we going to get from here to there? And I'm like, once people get an iphone like who no one leaves it, you know, it's like you're just gonna get the next iphone because it's just, it's just such good becomes the standard. So the Tesla does these interesting little things every day that you like, you know, you're sitting there at a light and you're looking down at your phone and then the light changes and you know, in California we have just an epidemic of this. You're just sitting there and nobody is moving at a green light, right? Tesla, I was watching and it gives you a little notification. You go, you know, that's gonna be everywhere. That's gonna be every car. It needs to be every car. It's so funny how people are gonna stop doing illegal things were going to make it easier for you to do illegal things, right? And and you know, the autopilot stuff is not its drivers assist, right? It's a level two driver assist. Um, I'm not sure about that, but you have to babysit it, it works well on the highway and you, you know, I couldn't figure out how to kind of integrated into my life because you're not exactly not driving. You're not exactly driving, you're in a twilight, you know, the same kind of space, you get a colonoscopy sleep. But then you start to go, well this is useful because you know, on saN Vicente boulevard with no traffic. I can look down and check a couple of messages here for a few seconds. The car does just, what do you mean? You know what I'm saying? Like if the car doesn't have assisted, you check a couple messages buckley, right? Yeah, you don't want to, I'm not, you're not reading, but you can do something quickly and the car can take over. It stays to the right and your speed is limited so you're going slower and you feel comfortable and it handles everything for you. So, you know, you get used to this new way of driving and doing things in this company that's thinking about you and how to eliminate steps and that becomes the new iphone, right? And that's where I am with Tesla. I'm hoping Rivian will be able to do the same. I'm hoping lucid can do the same. You know, I like these american cars, the GMC Hummer. I love the transition from, you know, oil burning, smoky conservatives like to write, It's really cool crab walking electric. Yeah. And with three times the power that the storage space everywhere. They're all of this stuff is awesome. And I really do believe people are gonna love it. They're not going to have to make a compromise. They're gonna love it. It's just, you know, back to what you said about how, you know, people are so resistant. Like, you know, so on the model last, I don't know if they do it on the y and the three, but on the model ask, they have the predictive gear. In other words, when you get into the car, it automatically switches into dr that's cool. You know, they do it on the, on the s and everyone was freaking out about it and then I tried it out and you know what it does. It just, it knows what direction the car is facing. And it's like, hey, every morning when you get in your car and leave, you put it into drive or reverse, right? So it just does that for you and then you just hit the thing and says, yeah, that's actually the gear I want, you know, but it's like, it's brilliant. You know, it's like, yeah, of course I, every morning I parked the removing steps. Yeah, I control that car from my phone whenever I want, right? I'm brushing my teeth and heating it up for the kids and you run over a skateboard or a cat or anything, you mean on autopilot when you know when you're doing, No, it won't, it won't do that's got, yeah, no, I haven't. I mean the, the autopilot is not perfect and there are moments where you go, okay. I'm glad I was keeping an eye on things notably on like the 405, in, you know, I've got it set at 60 I've got a car in front of me And you know, no hands on the wheel, it's kind of doing its thing right? And the car in front of me jumps over to the left so my car goes, I can go faster to 65, I guess I had it at 65. We were doing, let's say 50. So it starts to speed up really fast. A car in this lane decides to jump in front where this guy just left and that looked like this, that was going to be an accident. And so I hit the brakes and it wasn't a hard stop, but it had I not been paying attention, that would have been an accident for sure, right? So that's, and they all do that. You're learning, right? You're learning. I, you know, like you guys, I'm watching things very closely, I don't think my wife would have been, um, paying attention to it the way I was, right. So I would guess that she's already lulled into like she believes in the no, I just think my wife would never, she was like, no, and I'm not saying this about my wife in particular, I just people who aren't really car, people aren't going to really pay attention to the car in that way and send, you know, understand the system and then understand there's an element of danger and risk here, right? They might just go, hey, let's go. Right. So I would guess some of these, this reporting on these accidents is, is somewhat accurate, right? But again, you love the products so much. You start to forgive it right? Well you love, you clearly love the products so much. Are you now, is this like for you? You know, you, you reference and I want to come back to that you're the car matchmaker. Seriously, because I read up on, on, on, on all of that. Um, are you just now just a convert and you're just recommending these cars left and right to everybody who is there or is there a use case still for specific um, ice gas cars that you like? Um, no, I mean on that show, it was always, I was always trying to figure out what, what the person liked and where they needed to go and what was just outside their comfort zone, right? You know, you know, as you know, most people kind of know what they want, They just want validation, but every once in a while you can do what I did with my wife, which is open up someone's eyes to a new experience and have them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And, and uh you know, and then she's like, oh my God, you're right. You know, so I do recommend it to a lot of folks. I recommended it to jerry and let him drive it for those of you listening to jerry Seinfeld because his friends with and we're together a lot because we're working on something right now. But um I want did he drive it? He did, yeah, he gets it. He likes it. He, I I don't ever say this is going to replace to someone like jerry or even myself for your Zuckerman. I always go, this is a new column for you. You don't have to eliminate anything that afternoon. We all have defenders. Yeah, we all got defenders. Even Zuckerman's kind of tangentially gotta plan Z defendor. Yeah, he's never talked about that. No, no, because I think his, his friend is driving it a lot. But um I think of this as just and this was a stepping stone for me. I would have been six months ago. This is a kind of an extra car to have in the driveway and in the hangar to use. That's an interesting new way to drive. Now I'm ready to just go, this is, this is gonna be my daily, I wanna daily this thing and I want this to be all my boring driving, right, right, right. And and that's a big shift for me. That's a big shift. Well this is great because the last few we've done of these podcasts. We started with all the personal stuff and then we jumped into like the we jumped right in. So if we may, I could we can go back and talk about you. Should I mean, here's my thing. I know Spike and when he says jerry, I know who he's talking about. I think maybe people listening have no idea the relationship. So, you know, you've worked with Letterman, you've worked with Seinfeld, you were a writer, writer on saturday night live writer, early days, early days. Right. Um so my question is because Simpsons episode really, really funny episode. Right. So, you know all these guys, you're big in car collecting. Um Leno who I, you know, is he? And this is a question, this is this is a multipart question first of all. Is he the does he have the best car collection? He does he have the biggest best car collection for funny for a funny man for uh an actor, a Hollywood type. It's kind of a tough one. Pretty good. But I was always better in the ratings. And what are you talking about jay collection? I've got a Volkswagen beetle from 1962 and it looks better than you. And I'm saying that I think Spike's gonna say jerry has the best collection of the best is the judgment. Yes, yes. Each collection is very indicative of the personality of the person who has put it together. And I would not say anyone collection is better. I would say they're all very, very j very jerry. Very dave Dave Letterman, Right? Dave Letterman is Porsche's and beautiful Ferraris in Austin Healey's Racing team. I was on his first racing team. It was a go kart race in new york city was one of his first drivers and we did cheat to win for his direction. Hey man, 22 kinds of racers, right, cheaters and losers? Yeah. What are you doing in the office park? Hey, what are you doing in the office? All right. In the top 10 list? He goes, you better get out to a race shop. That's what he said. Get out to one of those speed shops in Long Island and figure out how to uh rigged that Briggs and Stratton so that we went on saturday, and he goes, I'm serious. I went, wow. He goes, yeah, if you're not if you're not pushing the limits of what's acceptable, you're not racing, You know what I mean? And he was calling every day when we were and it was a charity event for M. S. What better place to cheat? We won, We won, we were removed springs, we had purple gas, and we won. And then they inspected the engine and they took away our price gave us best uniforms, Great job. But you guys cheated. And I go, oh yes, we did don't don't please don't write about that. Alright, questions. So because Letterman's is the one I know the least about. But just from a numerical standpoint letter has the most vehicles right? Hands down. I don't know, I really don't know vehicle. I think jerry has the most I think jerry has so many cars that like you don't even know where they are, but then aren't jerry's car's all Porsche or Porsche in it at all, jerry jerry has Volkswagen's alfa romeos uh think so. You know what else? I can't convince him to buy a Ferrari at all. But there's a lot of funny little cars in there people don't know about. But a lot of Volkswagen's a lot of Volkswagen's Yeah, little fiats, he talks about that all the time. He's got a bunch of fiats and cars. He's got a little MGB. So my theory is that because jay has everything in one place, it seems bigger but like you know jerry's collection from what I know there are also different jerry idea. Multiple States collection is like I think of jay's collection as the Peterson the Valley version of the Petersen Auto, It's a workshop slash Petersen Auto Museum with displays an amazing beautiful things. His thing when you go to his hangar is everything starts, Spike Point to anything, you can start and it's true. Okay, old fire truck with steam engine, let me start it. He does and it's so impressive. And then there's a guy over there building Oldsmobile wheels. He, it's, and he's in his overall, it's a whole, that's a whole vibe. That's a whole scene, jerry's is uh, you know, uh more of uh, of a pristine museum, uh, that even when the, you know, the Porsche guys were visiting him and we were doing a podcast a couple weeks ago, they were like, your cars are better than the museum cars, They're in better condition, they look better, they sound better, there better examples, you know, that's jerry and if you think back to the series, that was jerry right, very fastidious, very neat. That's his thing. And, you know, Dave's, I don't know what he has now. I only know what I drove back in the nineties and you know, it was 3 50 sixes and 9 14 6. A Ferrari Dino. These were cars I'd never even heard of, I didn't even know what they were, a bunch of Austin healey's that didn't really take too. But the Porsche is I went, this is an amazing thing. I didn't know that's what this car was at the time. He was at santa Monica airport. Dave was really the first guy down at santa Monica Airport and they, you know, they couldn't fill the hangers and uh, he got jerry and, you know, after I went to work on the show, jerry got me in there and and you know, I've been down there for 21 years myself. So it's uh, it's really a reflection and Dave had really interesting. He had a GMC truck and uh, what was that old car that caught for the Pontiac Fiero? Remember that he had a Fiero and old the GMC truck he bought when he first started in stand up back in the yeah, but Dave restored them to 100 point cards. So yeah, a fiero 100 point concours restoration Dave and uh, and jay never sell stuff jerry does the other to do not Right. That's an interesting, I've heard, I've heard jay described by, yeah, he does, he doesn't like to sell stuff notably though this Tesla model plaid that he had and he comes out to Malibu and talks about, he was talking about, he has not stopped raving about, you know, why would I spend, But I remember when I get this thing for 100 that does 0 to 60 in one second. But I remember, I remember back in 2011, 12, he wouldn't shut up for a year about the volt. He was just all in on the Chevy Volt loved it. But that's, he's kind of approaching it the same way I do, which is, it's this whole new area to have fun and don't eliminate anything that you do or you drive right. And I'm a keep my defender and have both of them because I do like the land rover defender and I like how I feel in it. This is just a whole new way to have fun, right? And I understand that everybody can do that. But if I only could afford one car, you know, what's the little the Chevy one? Electric car? I would be going electric right now. What's that little ship? The Chevy bolt with someone yesterday had a Chevy bolt on this uh, scout we were doing and it was great. He's like, you know, he's telling me about the battery. If we plug it in too much, it catches fire because I don't care. He goes, but I'm getting the new one tomorrow and then I'm gonna have close to 300. And I mean, look, what else do you need? The bolt? The bolt. We're both our car of the year at various points. And like I I still remember driving that bolt and being like, like, right, because it takes you out of the gas game, it takes you out of the price of gas and you're at the very least if you're just charging this thing overnight and you're waking up with a full tank, full battery that changes your life instantly. Right, Right, right. Collection. I don't I mean that's the wrong question. Ask me a different question because the question is, do you like better Bruce Meyers collection in there? I would still pick jerry's because I'm a I'm a Porsche geek I'm a nut, but it's not, you know? Yeah, but this is a weird thing. Sprinkles. Cupcakes Do you like the most? They're all great. All right. But you know, you're in the unique position of like knowing all these people. Right? So Bruce has probably the car I desire the most, you know, it was. So, which car do I desire from someone's collection, Bruce is 61 to 50 Ferrari short wheel based hands down. That's because you're you're a Ferrari guy when you peel everything back, you claim portion. But I do like them. But yeah, they're super expensive. I owned a Dino, but I didn't drive it as much as I drove the 9 11. You know, it's But I do like to have one Ferrari every now 20 am Bentley. And he drives that. Yeah, I know. I've seen that. That would be the one that I would take. That was described it as because Bruce collection, I think is numerically smaller than the other guys. But it's like the Tiffany case with all the best jewels in it. Whereas like Leno's got like the Tiffany store. Yeah, he's kind of got a target with really cool. But he's got a Pep boys. I think Bruce has a lot more cars than people realize. Also like he has. His collection is unparalleled. It's amazing Peterson, which yes, we call him world's poorest billionaire, right? His collection, even though it's amazing. The people he hangs with have better collection though. I have two GTOs talking about like gets in the french swoopy stuff collections, humongous humongous. At the end of the day, you can only drive one car at a time. All of these guys are talking about to our drivers. They just love to drive and it's, you know, I can only speak for myself but and I could even say the same for jerry. We we like to drive. That's it. We don't really get off on a showing a car staring at it in a hangar. It's the motion. It's the movement. It's that drive out to Malibu now story dr elderly men getting elderly men to drive for us is the chill and and the fun and that can be accomplished in at pretty much any price point. As long as we're choosing carefully. And I've done it in the old 68 Cougar XR seven and I've done it in a million dollar vehicles and it's the drive is still the same. Right? Well, say, well, I did wanna, I did wanna kinda and we're approaching kind of our timeline here, but end on, on this question, you know, it does relate back to your car matchmaker. I had a whole series of questions on, like, you know, I read this article you did where you called out in 2015. That good bets for future collecting would include 1958 Porsche 3 56 speedster a 92 or later Ferrari Testarossa, 1989 Ferrari 3 28 or or and a 1989 Porsche, 9 11 turbo, 9 35 speed. Now I'm wrong about just about every one of those went down. Yeah, up a little bit. They made a lot of those, remember 87 9 34 speed. So what's the question? Well, the question was commenting on the question was how do you think you did now? You just said it you're up and you're down. I was thinking like these all went up. They did for the most part, but here's my philosophy about all of it that if you're buying things that you love, you hope that they go up but if they go down that's fine too because you love it. So You know, let's look back at the Dino, right, I was offered back in the day, this dino that had 6000 original miles and fly yellow. It was exactly what I wanted and over the ownership period of 12 years of that car that car jammed up at one point and I drove it less and then it came down and started tracking down, I started driving it a lot. I was happy wherever I was right sometimes to be happy. Like wow that was a great investment and then it would go down and go boy, I don't care that this has gone down, back to what I bought it at, I love driving this car and now it's just kind of feels easier. So that's what I'm always looking at when I buy a car and I think that's the most important thing. Yes upside um practically will it just hold its value in the general area. Um But I would say Pretty much every car that I bought I have not lost a dollar and mostly I have a free car experience and sometimes I pulled it off with new cars like you know my 2015 GT three comes to mind where I got out of that for an amount of money that would you know make people upset. Yeah three years of payments to a bank that totaled like $6,000 right? Because you just you're buying smart and get a little lucky you get a little get a little lucky and the ownership experience is like you don't even care because you loved driving it every day. Right. Do you see you think this could ever happen with TVs? So here's the setup. Right okay so you know cast your mind forward. Imagine It's The Year 21 22. We're on mars and it's the the Pebble Beach concord elegance revival presented by Haggerty and they bring out Elon musk's head because he's plugged into his singularity happened and he's the guest judge and over at the Gooding auctions. Exactly. They stopped from tweeting at the Gooding auction. There's an E. V. There's a hole every class of vehicles that they're putting on what's what's on there also presented? Is there is there anything that you can see currently that would should be purchased and squared away. Are these going to be like that? That's a great question. I don't think I can answer it. Surely Eveyone is going to be one. Although there's no there's like very few. Yeah. I think I think Coppola has one apparently. Yeah, but it doesn't feel like the same nerdiness of these people who go get original Atari's and original Apple computers. Phone ones. It's like it's cool. But is it exactly desirable because there's such a tech side to this stuff and don't we want the latest greatest right right. Could could conceivably like I don't I don't know. I feel like it it's not going to be the case. I'm probably going to be wrong about that. But I just feel like These things are a technological electronic of some kind more than a collectible car and that as they age they don't age as well. You know what I'm saying? You know that we're not I don't know maybe I'm wrong but I don't know if they're going to want to go back to a model Y from 2021. I remember something that flies. Remember when people used to drive their own cars. I feel like I feel the same way you do but I also feel that we're wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? The pattern would tell us we are completely wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. All right, well, look, yeah, this was a great conversation, loved it, loved having you on. Love to have you back. Thank you for having me. It was fun. It was fun and a lot of fun. It was inevitable. I love podcasting. I love podcasts. Me too. And um, well, Spike, thank you very much and I'll see you when we do your podcast cheers.