62: Dyatlov Pass Part 2

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And action. Hi, everybody, it's still Natalie, no, Sarah. She is with her two children, but I've got a fabulous co-host with me today. He is my dad. Joe Buck, this is so weird saying your name like Joe backers here, but hi dad, welcome to causing a scene. I mean, that doesn't really compare to me having to broadcast baseball games with my dad. And I didn't know what to call them on the air when I was twenty one, twenty to twenty three years old and I was seated next to this Hall of Fame broadcaster and I didn't know whether to call him Dad or Jack or you. So I just kind of went with nothing and just. Said what I had to say. There were only two of us on the air, but he was my broadcast partner and it's weird when you do stuff with your parent. Can I say that I was, first of all, really oddly proud of you, that I got a Zoom invite from my daughter? And and it worked, and it worked. I could no more do a Zoom invite if my life depended on it, I could not pull that off. So I'm very proud of you now. Thank you. Well, I was going to have Kirsten. Our girl with PodcastOne. Send it to you just kind of like as a joke and then have her like check in 30 minutes before as she usually does like high, just reconfirming like, are you still on for the podcast? But I decided to opt out and just send it, but I thought it would be funny. But does this bringing you back to your daddy issues days? Are you missing out? Yeah. Do you wish she was here? Everybody is. I do not miss all her. Now I've talked to all of her. I just texted with him. I talked to Oliver just as much as I did when we had a podcast together, and I hate to refer to it in the past. And we got up to X number of thousands of downloads a month and it seemed to have a home and find a voice. And I think become semi-regular listening for a certain amount of people, but it just became kind of hard to schedule and repetitive. But it did morph into something else, which is. Pretty exciting that you know about, and I don't know that anybody in the. In the podcast, Listening World is aware that we have sold daddy issues. So I know what this entails, but what does that mean for, you know, the regular people out there that have no idea what it means? Like what does that mean? Well, how? We sold it as an animated sitcom to Fox, so kind of along the lines of, you know, I don't want to say The Simpsons or any of the greats, family guys that are out there because you have to do something at a high level for 20 plus years to get there. But it's that kind of show. And it's Oliver and me as the two central figures in the show. I am the son of a legendary football coach as opposed to the son of a legendary broadcaster. And he is the son of a musician, which he is and the we work at a prep school and he is a guidance counselor slash music teacher. So after all, I think we did the podcast. We did it for over two years, maybe three years. Loved every minute of it. Enjoyed it. I think it kind of. You know, I don't want to say wore out its welcome with us, but at least it led to this, which is exciting and all that means is that we have signed a deal with Fox. We've written the pilot episode. They have it in their hands. Excuse me if they like it? Well, then I will will make this animated show and I will be Fox. I'll be back at Fox, but this time as a sitcom voice. That's so exciting, and maybe I could just further the nepotism and maybe I could be a voice on the show. Yeah, well, you're going to be you're in the show. I mean, your I have daughters in the show and one son, so I don't know which one of my twins gets eliminated. We'll have to have them arm wrestle for that. But yeah, I mean, Michelle will be in it. I assume you will. Trudy, will Oliver and his wife, his sons, his daughter, where the script calls for it. So yeah, you have a job now. Wow. Hey, if this gets picked up, I don't know. We'll see. But this is the first time I've talked about it publicly. Nobody, nobody knows that this is even in the making, so that's it's good to do it on your show. And I don't even know if I'm supposed to, but I was. I was just going to say, Is this allowed? Well, you can. I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to get fired. It's we've. Nobody said, Hey, don't mention this. It's exciting, so I'm glad to be able to talk about it, and I'm glad the podcast led to something that is really cool. It's so cool. It's. But we may bring the podcast back around now. You know, like if if this show goes and it goes well, then maybe the podcast free launches and we're talking about the show as much as we're talking about our lives because I asked our listeners on her Instagram, I'm like, Hey, I'm having my dad on any questions, and I've got all these questions pulled up. 19 of them are all about daddy issues, whereas ed, I loved him in Oliver's banter back and forth. Are they fighting LOL? Is your dad annoyed because Oliver's too busy? Dot dot dot. That was a joke, so people clearly listen and want. This to come back around, but I have a bunch of other questions, and I don't even know how to format this. But Bobby came on last week and I had a good episode with him. People loved listening to Bobby and there is a question for you about Bobby saying. Did you know Bobby was the one when you first met him, I don't even know if I can. Is that like a I know Bob is the one? Yes, but we're not even a dentist. Like, did you know that he did? Did you imagine me marrying him one day? We're not even engaged, so that was the question. I was, I would say it's it's weird to talk about because you are not engaged at all. It seems to be amongst the two families openly talked about. But I, you know, I didn't know initially. I really liked him. I I've grown to love him. I think he's a wonderful person and everything anybody could want and a potential son in law. But he's going to have to get off his a*s and ask you to marry him. I know. Yes, I I was hopeful, but I didn't know he was the one. I mean, it's always it's it's been talked about forever that the ones that the parents like the kid probably doesn't end up with. So I really liked him and I thought, Well, that probably won't work out because we all love him so much. And, you know, we'll see where it goes. It's up to you. You know, this is your own life, and I think the best thing you can do as a parent is. Not try to influence any of that and know that you're going to make the right decision for who sits new, it just happens in this case. If this comes to pass, that the person that makes us the most happy around you is also the person that makes you the most happy, which is ideal. I know I feel like this is weird to even talk about because we were kind of touching on it. Me and Bobby on our podcast last week were like, You know, if we get married, if we get married, it's just so weird to talk about because we're not engaged and we're not married. But thank you. That was so kind, and I hope I do marry. I'm fine, Maria. Well, don't screw it up. I mean, I've told me forever. Me, yeah, said don't. I just said to you again, do not screw it up. Well, I'm just kidding. I'm going to try my best. I'm just kidding, I would say that the both of you don't mess up what seems to be a very great thing. Well, I appreciate those kind words about my relationship, again, this is I'm really I should be better at this formatting. This in an interview. Why I don't know what podcasts are. Podcasts are all over the place and formatted. Those are the best ones. I you know, I think the one, yeah, you know, if it's the one, what's the Jason Bateman one smart list? Have you seen, by the way, the HBO, they filmed them on the road? Yeah, it's funny. It's really, really funny. Just their banter, their banter back and forth when they're in the car, driving around D.C., pulling up to the venue. It's they need Will Arnett too. I think I think Will Arnett, I feel like a lot of people always focus on either Jason Bate, just Jason Bateman. But I'm like, Will Arnett kind of ties everybody together and keeps everybody in line, which I look for. Well, he's kind of a yeah, he's the he's the glue that holds them together and is the guy that always has the funniest comment. And Jason play off each other. And then, who's the third guy? Oh, my God. Will and Grace, that's all I get my head. I know, I know, I know, and I've been on the show, Sean. Yes. Sean Hayes, Sean Hayes. I could have sat here for four hours and not come up with that same, which is sad. All I had was will and grace in my head, but he he's like, comes off. They just love to pick on him, which is great. I know it's so fun. It's just like such an unexpected. Friendship, I guess, in my eyes, and I love it. Are you trying to find a place where you could edit that out, where you don't remember Sean Hayes, his name or are you going to leave that in? I don't know, I might leave it in, because that's just kind of me in every podcast, I'll be talking about a show and I'm like, What is her name again? His name again? I don't know. That's just my mode. That's how I go about this podcast. I feel like that's why we have listeners because we really don't edit that much out. It makes it feel more real, I think. I mean, I guarantee you and I was a guest on their show if Sean Hayes and Jason Bateman and Will Arnett were talking about me. There's no way Sean Hayes would be able to remember my name. It would take them a while. But so there you go. That's what I say to Sean Hayes back at you, even though I'm creating this all in my mind. Well, also, the odds of Sean Hayes, Will Arnett and Jason Bateman ever listening to this podcast is very, very slim. I'm going to send it to Jason Bateman. Please don't, but you have done a lot of cool things throughout your career and you being on smart lists was what everybody texted me about thinking. It was like the coolest thing ever. Like, Oh my god, your dad's on smart list this week that this is insane. So I don't know what that is. I mean, I know you don't like I am way too bad, but that's one of the things that made me so pissed off and maybe why we're no longer doing our little podcast because it was like, OK, I got it. I mean, it's Jason Bateman and Will Arnett and Sean Hayes. I'm on their podcast, but. Jason was on our podcast, I'm sure nobody in his life was like, Oh my God, Jason. Yeah, but daddy issues, that's incredible. But it's so I don't like not measuring up. It was like, Our podcast is boring. I know what you mean. But the fact that you were you can have anybody on your podcast. I can have people from Bravo on my podcast, but to be asked to be on their podcast is cool. You know what I mean? There's a difference between you having a guest on yours and then you being asked to be on like a top 10. Well, there shouldn't be. There should. Well, there is. That's that's just the way. OK, well, I don't like not being in the top 10. Well, me neither. But I'm still doing. I've never been in the top 10. OK, well, there's the answer to your first question why are you not to the people, the 19 people who cared about my podcast and sent you questions or one person who sent you 19 questions about my podcast? That's why we're no longer doing. It's why Troy Aikman doesn't play golf anymore, because he doesn't like that being graded something we tried. We banged our head against the wall for three years, trying to make the thing big. We had Eddie Vedder and David Spade, and I mean, my God, Mark Cuban and Adam said on Downvote Adam Sandler Bateman right on down the line, and it never really grew past a certain point. So it was like, there's just it's not about money as much as I would still be doing it if we were at a billion downloads a month, but we're not. So, you know, we're now podcasting is a marathon, not a sprint. Well, I've got a three year marathon, is it not for me? OK. You and coach fuzzy with your long distance running? I was never a long distance runner. I'm not a I'm a sprinter, and if I don't get what I want at the end of my sprint, I'm going on to another sport. Well, other people asked me not just about your podcast, but they asked if you coached me in any sports. My dad was just referring to me running cross-country in high school. But you did coach me in some sports. You coached me and what? T-ball and basketball? But you coached me in basketball when I was, I wasn't like five. I feel like I was like 13. No younger. Yeah, no. I was thinking about that the other day because I keep running into your friends in St. Louis or your friends, parents. And I just immediately go back to the basketball days of who's who as opposed to prom or anything else like that. So yeah, I coached you in T-ball with Andrew Bauer and he, his daughter and. Yeah, we had an interesting team and then I coached you in basketball and I coached Trudy in basketball. I was the dad that went to Barnes and Noble and got the best coaching, basketball or basketball for dummies book did. Yeah, I just saw you. I just saw it the other day in our house, in the basement, buried under a bunch of books that made me laugh. I like to run drills or whatever, but I had, like a bounce pa*s. Yeah. How you can get kids learning the fundamentals of how to play basketball. But I remember it was either you or Trudy. I think it was Trudy who said, why? I mean, it was probably, you know, knowing what we're talking about. Why do you only yell at me on the team? And I was like, Because you're my kid? And if I yell at any other person's kid, I'm either going to get written up, arrested or punched by their parent. So you're going to have to suck it up and take. I was saying it to you so that all your other friends would hear the instruction. Mike, stop messing around. Get it. All right. Look for the open person. Play defense. Stop twirling your hair. Yeah. So I had to yell at you. Otherwise I couldn't coach. Maggie, yes. But raise my voice and be like, Come on, let's go. I remember that you'd be like Natalie, pay attention. Pay attention. Yeah, because you were screwing around all the time and you knew it was screwing around, there wasn't anything to screw around with. I was at the basket on the basketball court at Villa despite not listening and nobody was doing what I was saying to do. You guys, my dad saying you're not listening is like embedded in my mind. Always. I like from us doing math homework at the kitchen counter. God, it was probably on a Sunday night at like 8:15, the math homework should have been done. The kitchen lighting is weird. It's like glistening off the textbook page, and my dad would sit there and try to explain like fractions, and I would just be looking at my dad looking at it's watching his face and then he'd look at me and be like, You're not listening, don't look at me. Look at the look of what I'm doing, Natalie. Look at what I'm doing. Don't look in. Don't look at me. And then then I would cry. It was just, Oh, and you have to do that. You're going to have to do that again with Blake and Wyatt. Yeah, I'm crazy. So you're almost 27, and Blake and Wyatt are five, just turned five, and my patience level has gone from, I would say I was a good B as a patient man, as a father to now, and I'm an a*s plus, so I am going to lose. Michael, what I'm trying to teach them are they're not sitting and paying attention or I can't explain it. That was part of the problem was I was terrible at math and I could barely do. Fundamental rudimentary math, so I was trying my best to try to go through these fractions, hoping I was teaching you right and you weren't even listening, so thank God for Jeannie Herbst and everybody else who was there in our network to get you through high school, which was it was. She didn't really get me through a high school that was more actually as she did. Jeannie, her office was my math tutor. I have her number also embedded in my mind. I could give it to you right now, like I've got five numbers memorized and Jeannie Herbst, my math tutors number is memorized. That one? Yeah. Well, for some reason, she had patience. Oh my God, she would sit there and be like, It's OK, let's try again. Let's do that. But she got me to listen because she would just sit there so patiently, and I think I was just used to teachers too. That would get frustrated with me. That would be like, I don't know. I don't know. I remember being in second grade, and I probably have told the story on here a million times, though now the one is a first grade. No, will in second grade, I could not I'm not going to name the teachers, but it was like meh. So at the end of the school year and they go, Natalie. Why don't you stand up and tell everybody what you got on your math homework and I had like a gold star or something, so I was like, Oh, I have a gold star and oh, I'm going to say your name so bad. She was clapping and she goes, You guys, it took Natalie this long to get a gold star on her math homework. Yes, she was just a crabby lady. And then the one thing that's so wrong. It's awful. But the the one that was worth to me, which I went up and had a meeting with the head of the school and immediately went up. There was when you this teacher whose name I could say right now at this high price little private grade school, oh, god said, if we're going to get in trouble, why? I'm kidding. I don't care. I actually listen to this. And the teacher said, now, does anybody have any questions before we move on and you raised your hand, according to you and said, I do enjoy it. Oh, Natalie, what now? Like, if there's anything more discouraging for a kid in front of their classmates to have a teacher say that basically backhanded slap you with a terrible reaction to somebody having a question as they're learning math and first grade when you're whatever. Seven. That's terrible teaching. Like if you have. That's back. So, I mean, it's so mean. You were you were, you were a tough kid in that, you know, we're all live these great lives. But I remember sitting at dinner one time and you. Just offhandedly remark that kids made fun of your ears. And I was like, what do you mean? And you said, Oh, yeah, they they call me Dumbo and they they laugh at me about my ears, I was like, What? You've never said one thing to us about this. You like, Oh, I don't care. I mean, it just. Bounces off me and basically is what you're saying, like it just bounces off me and I just move on, I was like, Oh my God, I. Because if it was me, I still, I don't remember half my life because I'm now fifty four. But I there were kids who made fun of me being the little fat kid in first grade at that same school that I remember exactly what was said and it was scarring for life. It still hangs with me every time I look in a mirror. Fifty years later. So for you to be like, oh, it's no big deal, you know, yeah, they make fun, I laugh at it or whatever, it's like, Oh my God, you're so you're so much better than I was at that age because I was like basically sucking my thumb crying to my mom about it. Well, I probably got that from you. To be like, whatever. So, so what? I forgot that you went to my grade school. Me and my dad both went to the same grade school and same college. We both went to Indiana. I did it, my dad did not graduate the bride. I got a job right? You've done, you've done three. I just like saying that. And somebody asked, what was your favorite part about Bloomington, Indiana? I love Bloomington and I'm so glad that I went there and I'm so glad you made me go, look at that school in 2010. But we went looking for your cousin, right? Yeah, we went, Yeah, I was maybe a freshman. I thought you were very impressed. I was unimpressed because we went. Looked at the school, you showed me your old fraternity. There was no leaves or flowers on the trees, it looked so depressing. It was like, yeah, raining out. I was like, I don't think I can do this. No, thanks. I want to go to L.A. or somewhere. And then I got a wake up call and was like, Well, your act does not. It's not going to allow you to go to buildings, but I'm I'm so happy that I went to Bloomington that I might my answer to the question of what I loved about Bloomington is where it sat on a map. I loved being away, but I love being able to be home. In less than four hours, I felt like I was leaving my little prep school, which was I graduated with 60 some odd other boys and went to a school that had 40000 students and finding my way through that and. Rooming with somebody that that I didn't know before I showed up there and all, you know, all the stuff that to me is the value of college, as much as going to a economics class or going to learn more about math, I think just growing up and being outside of your parents' shadow is is good to see if you can. Still get things done while you have some semblance of independence, I think that's what it's really all about. Otherwise, it's kind of a scam. I hate to tell you. I mean, yeah, I haven't touched my degree, but my degree was in broadcast journalism. And other people asked because my grandfather was a broadcaster and my dad's a broadcaster. Did you ever want me to be a broadcaster? Did that ever pop into your mind? Oh, she should do this, or no? I feel like, no, no, I I think you're doing what you should be doing. I think you should be acting. I think you should be. I wish you were singing. I think you. You could do a lot of things, but I think broadcasting now is not. You're more dynamic than that. I think you have the ability to entertain and carry something and be funny to watch, and I think you have many more skills than I have. But I think it. I was around it my whole life, so I was very comfortable in front of a microphone when I was a kid and you were around it your whole life. So I don't think when somebody pulls a microphone out or somebody starts rolling a video on their phone, I mean, you're not going to shy away and be in the corner. You're you're front and center. And I think that's half the battle is being comfortable enough to be yourself. So for you to do Second City for two summers and to do improv at a Chicago bar and do that, I I don't know your age that I could have done that. So I think I did stuff earlier in my life than my dad could have, and you did stuff earlier in your life than I could have. So that means that your kids will be starring in. Some Disney show when they're six, Disney does not hit the same anymore. I don't think than it used to, like you could name all of the Disney Channel shows that I've watched, but is that because you had kids that were watching it like Blake and Wyatt or Blake and Wyatt? My younger brothers are watching Hannah Montana and suite life of Zack and Cody because my dad watched it with us. But like, I couldn't name any Disney Channel shows that are currently on. But maybe that's because I don't have kids. I can't, either. I don't. I don't know. I have. No, I don't know what the cops are in twenty twenty three to Hannah Montana and The Lizzie McGuire Show and. Raven Wizards of Waverly Place and Raven Emporium, the House, all that other stuff that, you know, I love those shows. I love Barney. I mean, I've developed that voice strictly because I heard it every day as a young dad. So I don't know. Maybe I failed you and I'm failing your brothers because there's nothing more enjoyable than for me to sit down on the couch and watch one of these shows. And but know my kids, you do. I was at home last week and on the couch you and the boys were watching the Wizards of Waverly Place movie outs. Like what is going on? I haven't seen this in so long, and Blake and Wyatt are like quoting Selena Gomez, bringing me back to when I first watched it. It's crazy. Is Yeah, yeah. Is there anything this is, I think, an interesting question. What's something he tried to be intentional with by raising two daughters? Like, why does something that meant the most to him while raising you? Like, I don't know what that means. Maybe like you wanted us to be. Independent, I want to. All of those things, but I also wanted you to know your important. For me, your importance in my life, so I felt like when I was doing a lot of traveling and I did way more when he goes for battle than I did when you were younger and I did what any more than I'm doing now, you know, with five year olds. The second time around, if it felt like it had been a long time, I've been out of town too much or whatever. I would just grab you and make you come with me. And I wanted you to have the same kind of experience that I had as a kid being around my dad, which is always being immersed in the world of adults and being able to. Act, react, interact with people that were much, much older than you, and to know how to behave and to know how to respectfully know your place in a group of older people. It was the greatest thing my dad did is. I had to pass the test to go on road trips with him as a kid, I could not be the wild, rambunctious kid that was, you know, knock it over cups of water and eat my boogers at the dinner table I had to. I had to know how to act around other adults, and I feel like that was the same thing I did for you. So you it helps mature you and know that. And being able to travel lets you know that the world is bigger than what you see in front of your face and St. Louis. So that, to me, was the most important thing was having you guys travel to experience how big the world is and that you're just a small, small, small part of it. And in your own corner and the world doesn't revolve around you that that, I think, was the most kids are born. I think, you know, the death of somebody gave me a book on narcissism wants and kids are born as narcissists. They are because they're little babies and everybody's in their face and oh, great job, you know, whatever you took your first step and now you think as a kid, as a little baby, you think the world is there for you. And as you grow, whenever that starts, you have to come out of thinking it's everybody else's privilege to have you around. You have to just find your place. And I, that's what I tried to give you by putting you at a Super Bowl, putting you at the World Series, putting you in the hotel with me and putting you in a car with Tim McCarver and me or Troy Aikman and me. And, you know, knowing that you could sit there, be quiet, take it all in, learn and know that there's bigger things out there than just your small little world. That that was what I always wanted for you and what I want for the boys. Because that's what I got when I was growing up, because I was a little more unstructured because I was 10 years old and traveling with my dad to Las Vegas and he was up all night. That's crazy. Rolling dice. And I was putting myself to bed in the hotel room. But you know, I wasn't ever kidnapped and I was I was able to handle it. And then we'd fly home and I was an adult before my time. I wasn't a dumb kid getting in trouble and just thinking that I could get away with it. There were repercussions for bad behavior, and for me it was. I didn't get to go with my dad. And and for you, I'd like to think that if you go, you guys knew that if you were just. Complete masses, you wouldn't have been going to cool things that I got to take you to. Yes, that but also I feel like me and Trudy growing up even in high school were just so afraid to get in trouble, not because of like, Oh, we were going to get grounded or this and that we never really were grounded. But it was because we were so afraid because I had never followed through on the go ahead. No, but we were so afraid to disappoint you or mom like you have very I can maybe count on one hand where you've, like, yelled at me, but you would sit down and be like, I'm like, just disappointed. Like, what is this like? This isn't how I raised you. You have a reputation. You only get one rep you take like just stuff like that in high school, I think was way more beneficial. To me versus being like. You were drinking this and that like, you're grounded, like, no, you're not going out for two weeks, like, I never really got that, but I also was I was a good kid. I didn't do anything bad. I don't think you were. I mean, everybody does stuff. But yeah, yeah, you never threw it in anybody's face and you never. You were smart the way you navigated being a teenager in a small town. With a parent and a grandparent who everybody knew, and I had that as a kid, so I was the same way I was deathly afraid of embarrassing getting in trouble and embarrassing and disappointing my dad and my mom, but mainly my dad. My mom was there for whatever. But if my dad was gone for two weeks, I didn't want to on a on a long road trip with the Cardinals. I didn't want to waste the time that he was at home, by being grounded, by being in trouble, by being. So I consequently acted as good as I could as a kid, still had some fun, but was never an idiot and always just tried to. Be true to the way they taught me to be and which, you know, so I think served me well, and that's what I tried to do with you. I just keep thinking every single night before I go to sleep. What are the boys going to be like when they're 15, 16, 17? Not in the sense of what we're talking about, but just like who they're going to be like. It's just so wild to me that like, I'm going to have brothers that I look at now is like little kids. And then they're going to be like 16, 17 driving, like they're going to have a phone and I'm going to be able to reach them without having to go through you or Michelle. Like, it's just, I know I love that so crazy to me. And somebody asked how you told me and Trudy that you were having the boys? And I can tell the story. My dad took us to dinner in New York and told us at dinner, and he was so nervous the whole time. He had a like bit of sweat going down his cheek and he wasn't eating anything. And he said, You're going to. I think Michelle's pregnant and then he's like, We are all just so shocked. You're like, what? And then you're like, OK, but we're going to a Broadway show and Bobby's coming. So let's wait for Bobby. I feel like he's Bobby as a buffer. And I will say I was so nervous because I knew it was coming. And I can't even remember how I reacted. But it's the best thing that's ever happened. And it's so funny to look back on probably how I felt about that in the beginning. Like, Oh my God, my dad's going to abandon me and Trudy, and he's going to have these two little kids. And now it's like, now it's the opposite. And when I'm home, I feel like I'm the babysitter and you like and Michelle, go do your own things because you're like, We we need like a break. You watch them and it's like the best thing ever. So my dad told us when we were at dinner and he was, you were very nervous. I yeah, I mean, all those things are hard. It's it's hard. You know, I could go through 100 examples of how difficult it is to start a conversation. On a topic that you don't really want to talk about, whether it's that or divorce or. You know what? Those are the two main things or getting remarried, you know, and putting you in a position of having to welcome somebody new into your lives, that's hard. And it's hard for you. I mean, way harder for you. But it's also hard to be the one to go, Okay, here's what we're doing, and I feel like I still have everybody's best interests at heart. And you know, it was a natural reaction on your part and Trudy's part to be upset and defiant because you're scared of losing your place with me, which I knew that was never going to happen. But you don't. And you and I think you did down deep, but I think. You wondered or worried that with these new shiny objects named Blake and Wyatt, if your position would be diminished. In my life, which I knew it would only enhance everything, I did a lot of research with a lot of people that have been in the same position and of where I sat and I everybody, not that there was not one person who said it wasn't the greatest thing that ever happened to their family. Because it just added more love and it brought everybody closer together, which I was convinced it would do with all of us. But your reaction of being defiant to Trudy Treaty was passed and said, you know the reaction he was mad like at. Michelle, or you? It was more just like what we're buying. We're going to have like baby baby brothers. And I was so worried the night that they were being because Michelle had a C-section, right? I was in college, yeah. And I just kept refreshing my phone because I didn't know how this worked. I'm like, What are they here? Like, what are they? And then the second we saw them, you had sent two pictures of like one of Blakk, one of Wiht, and it was alive. And Blake, I still have it saved. It was like the first photo you took of him. His eyes were shut and then they like, opened and why it was just like wailing. And Trudy sent it to me and she's like, Hold down the life like I can't. He is so cute. And then I was like, OK, well, good. Like, it just was like, I don't know. It's just weird. But she was in town, so she came to the hospital with her friends and she got to hold them right after the fact. And you were out of town. But it was. It was. Yeah, that's out of town. I know, but I wasn't, so it was it was that was exactly what everybody told me like, you know, your daughters are not going to be happy, not going to be happy, not going to be happy about the whole thing and question it and question and question it. And when the minute they arrive in there in the world, it all switches. And you know, that's because you two are such loving, nurturing people. And you know, I'd like to think that we are too. And I knew it would be great, but it was hard and it was hard to bring up that conversation and it was hard to break that news. And I kicked that can down the street many times before I actually told you guys. And I mean, you should have known because Michelle was eight months pregnant that time that she was no pregnant shot. No, I'm just kidding. But I I yeah, I expected your reaction. It kills me because I'm a pleaser and I want everybody to get along and I'm reading into every facial twitch. By the way, yes. To our listeners and Sarah specifically, this is who I get it from. My dad, me and my dad are like the biggest us. We everybody around us has to be good and OK in order for us to be good and OK. But keep going and I'm working on. Yeah, and that's that's why. You constantly are reading everybody in the room feeling everybody's shortness or just a simple. Movement of the face is like they're saying one thing, but they feel another and they're mad at me or. They're not having a good day. How can I help that? And that's. Just the way I am, and that's the way you are, I am talking with Heather, our mutual therapist. Yeah, we have the same therapist as my as does my sister. And no, she does not say anything about us to us. No, no. But. I would much rather be that way. Then be unaware of or uncaring of how people feel around me, I would I'm better off. I think. Not worrying, but taking into account everybody's feelings. I think that makes. A better world around me when I'm aware that somebody is. And I'm not wrong a lot. I mean, I even though people are, you know, what are you talking about? I'm fine. No, that's fine. That's fine. Go ahead. Do that. Going to play golf, that's fine. I I think I'm pretty good at reading people and I. And that works against me too, because there are times when I'm wrong. Not a lot, but there are times that I'm wrong and then I'm creating something that isn't there. And then fights ensue because. I'm reacting to a perceived reaction on their part, and then it just spirals out of control, so I too am working on that. But yes, you are the same way I am. Trudy's tougher and a little more. Puts her foot down, and if you don't like it, that's fine with her. But that's what she's going to do, which I'm an admirer of, too. But you and I are more like that way. It's funny. You think that you're better off being the way that we are because so many times I'll say out loud, God, could I just not care? It would be so nice to just not care. Yeah, but that is not who you are. Not. But like some days, I'm just like, why am I thinking about this? This has nothing to do with me. Nothing. Nothing to do with me. Nothing to do with my relationship. Nothing to do with anything. And I'll sit down. Not that I'm not. I'm not that way. I am. You're you're more that way than I am. I'm more. How is somebody? Reacting to something I'm doing or saying, oh, yeah, no, and and I don't want to disappoint people and I get myself into situations of doing an appearance or showing up at something because I don't want to let them down. And yet it's the last thing in the world that I want to do and that that is that's not the way to be, either. I mean, then I have resentment, then I take that resentment out on the people I love the most. When I should be taking it out of the person that asked me to show up at some golf event and wherever the Moyne, but I don't want to do, but I say yes, thinking the day will never come and then the day arrives and I'm like, Oh my God, I don't want to do this at all. And then I'm in a bad mood. And then the people that are around me suffer because I said yes to something that I shouldn't have. It's just it's dumb. And I that's the part that I need to get better at to just say, Hey, go to your next person in line and on your list because I I don't have time for that. But then you see how many people's day it has been made because you are Irwin. I know mine is worse and theirs is made great. I know you're like the giving tree of those out here, the giving tree. Yeah, I'm damn close to the stump right now. I know I am the old man with the wisps of hair and I am the stump. I am both the old man and the tree. Oh, that's such a good book. You would always read that to us, OK? I feel like we just were in therapy with Heather, but Heather wasn't here just before we wrap up. Do you have a favorite putting a period on that conversation? Do you have a favorite sports movie? I feel like I kind of. I know a movie that you would make us watch, but I want to hear your answer. Yes, there's I mean, I could go sport by sport, but. Baseball is hands down the natural with Robert Robert Redford and Kim Basinger and Robert Duvall. It is. It's great, mainly because. I played enough baseball and I've watched baseball my entire life to know. When an actor can legitimately pull off looking like they're good enough to be. A real baseball player and Robert Redford can. He has got an unbelievable swing and he is a natural thrower of the baseball. He's a lefty and it looks beautiful. It looks like he could do it. Now take into and Kevin Costner in like Tin Cup playing golf. He's got a good golf swing clash to Bull Durham and whatever his name is, it's not Sean Hayes, the husband of Susan Sarandon. Tim Robbins is Nuke. Lellouche, I think, is his name in that movie, and he's supposedly throwing 100 miles an hour. And, you know, couldn't break a pane of glass because he just can't throw. So it's every time the movie's great. But every time he's actually carrying out a baseball activity, it just blows the whole thing. Charlie Sheen in while as wild thing and Major League very good he can throw. So I've got to see believable. Action. Warren Beatty in Heaven Can Wait is the football movie he can kind of pull it off, so I'm OK with it, but that's that's the litmus test for me. Well, what do you think? What were you going to say that I was going to say it's a basketball movie and I can't remember the name of it, so I was hoping you would say it. Hoosiers. No, no, no. Um. God, we would what was it? No, no. Glory Road was at it. Glory Road. Yeah, no. Yes. Are you sure he had no mercy on that? Yes, you have. We watched it in the basement and then I was out. I remember this specifically because after I watched it, I was so inspired and I ran out and I was like acting like I was in the movie and I was like, Come here, throw it three two. And I was mortified because you came out and you're like, I saw what you're doing out there. Like, I was acting like I was in the movie. We watched that a million times. Glory Road, I say yes, OK. Maybe I've seen it once or maybe Latin inspired, you know, it was, it's so good, it's the guy from Sweet Home Alabama, whatever miracle we watched. Miracle is great. That's the hockey one. Damn, I want to I want to know, I don't think you're right. I think it's Glory Road. I I'm looking at it. Glory Road is a 2006 American sports drama filled film directed by James Gardiner, based on a true story surrounding the events leading to the 1966 NCAA University Division Basketball Championship. You know what it probably was when you were coaching me basketball? Yeah, and it probably said that in the book for Dummies. Right, yeah. So if you can read the movie Glory Road because years from now, you and your child will probably talk about it on their podcast. I assume that's what it said. Uh, he was. He was. A white coach, and he led the first all black starting line up for a college basketball team. None of this is ringing a bell. No. OK. Wow. It moved me. I'm glad it inspired. Good. So anybody listening? Go watch Glory Road? I'm trying to see. Oh, Josh Lucas. Yeah, I remember watching that with you. But I don't remember it being like some watershed movie in my life. Well, it was for me. Oh, it was so good. Well, that's good. How about remember the Titans? Or remember the Titans? Yes, Sandlot. I mean, is that just like a dumb? We watch that? Bunch of times. Friday Night Lights. A movie I didn't watch, the movie, I've only ever seen the show. Yeah, it's it's great. I mean, all those. That's why sports are so fun to do. Because and why? A lot of times what happens in real life is even better than what they script in a movie because it actually is happening with athlete against Athlete B, that's the fun of what I get to do. So it never gets old. This is my last question, and I know the answer to this. But what what? What am I bingeing right now? Just finished yesterday that I love Bob Beef. OK, well, you guys, my dad loved it. Fran Mariano did not like it. What's there not to like? She just couldn't get into it. And I've heard that from a lot of people. And was the episode so good? But I did hear that the ending. Poses a question, right, and you're like, what did are not really well, you don't know exactly where it's going, and there are a few things that are left untidy, but you get you get a clue, at least is at least to where they want you to think it's going by one subtle movement right before it cuts to black. So I didn't feel like I was unsatisfied with the ending. I did watch the ending of Barry, another show that I think is. Sensational, but got really dark and really different in the last season and a half. And that left me while I'm friends with Alec Berg, the creator with Bill Hader. And I respect everything they did, because I think the show's sensational. That left me unsatisfied because the succession is the end of succession is perfection. I can't get into it. I know every share I know. Me and Bobby both can't. It's one thing for me to not be able to get into it. But I can't believe Bob Chapek. I know being in the world of finance. I know it's cannot get into succession. It actually makes me not want him to be your husband. I know to go back to where we started. That that blows my mind. And that sucks. Trudy thinks I'm like the dumbest human being on Earth because I can't get into it. But no, that's not what I was going to ask you, Sarah and Ty Gretzky's favorite show that they have ever seen, ever, ever, ever of all time. Was your show undeniable? She would text me every single she's watched, every single one of them multiple times, you guys. My dad had a show on what was the network director DirecTV or a TV network direct TV network where he would interview. Was it retired athletes now? Were they? Yeah, they were. They were. They were all retired, I think, except for like. Maybe a Tony Hawk or and may God, it was really good interview, but it was it was two and a half hour interview that was whittled down to one hour before exhaustive interviews and exhausting interviews with. I mean, the best of the best, Derek Jeter, Bobby Knight, Troy Aikman came on, Jerry Jones was Wayne, Wayne Gretzky was on Nick Faldo, Joe people of all different Joe Tory talked about the abuse that that he saw witnessed from his dad to his mom. Michael Phelps, which was my personal favorite, talked about the bong picture that got out and going into rehab and his embarrassment and everything that he went through. People came out and were very open and honest about. While we all see a perfect life from the outside and the money and everything else that comes with it, everybody struggles with something or some things or how they grew up. Dennis Rodman was on it. Phenomenal. It was which I had. Why don't you, I mean, I you I wish you could do that again in like start a new. Just pick it back up. It was so good because it was so different. It was like. Imagine like an Oprah sit down interview, but for athletes times one million because they try, you know, with the feeling, but the failing ones is we did not give the studio audience gifts that were under their chair. You did not. You didn't have a crisis buddies getting out. Wayne Gretzky can. I mean, favorite 19 man and it's called 99 cents. Look under your chair, you have keys to a new key. Well, I really think that you should pick that back up. If I mean not, you have some time in your new schedule. I do have time. I do have time that hopefully will be taken up by writing, helping to write and voice and produce daddy issues on Fox. That will be great and thank you for coming on causing a scene. It was a pleasure. We have caused this scene. We've made everybody at your grade school mad. My God, I know you talked about. Second, families. You not being good at math? We caused a scene this Thursday. Well, we sure did. Thank you. I love you. I know you're busy. Maybe you're not. I don't. Where are you? What do you that? I'm so confused. I'm in Denver. Michelle is emceeing an event for the Denver Broncos tonight. I'm here to support my wife. Wow. Fabulous, fabulous husband, fabulous dad, fabulous friend, fabulous grandfather to Reggie. Yes, yes. I never know or dated Delilah. Oh yeah, my dad just got it. I don't know where you are half the time. It's like, Good God, it's like, Yeah, we just landed in Palm Springs. Wait, that's Palm Beach. I'm going to Palm Springs tomorrow for a wedding. Yeah. Trust me, I would love to be sitting in New York. I would love it. I would love it. There are so many weddings because Bobby's at that age where all of his friends are getting married. So and he's related to 500 people, correct? Bobby is 65 first cousins. You heard that right? All right. Yeah. OK, OK. You have a great good job with the arranging of the books on the shelf behind you because they are very color coordinated. That's Bobby. He did that, so I'll pass it along. OK, well, I knew it wasn't you, right? I didn't learn that in grade school. OK, and seen.