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From makeup to merchandising: Rock legend Gene Simmons reveals the business strategy behind KISS' 50-year reign as a cultural phenomenon.

What We Discuss with Gene Simmons:

  • According to Gene Simmons of KISS fame, pursuing wealth isn't just about personal gain but about creating value and jobs for others. Like a stone thrown into a pond, he sees wealth creation rippling outward to benefit society, even when the wealthy person might not be particularly altruistic.
  • Gene's metamorphosis from an impoverished immigrant child who had never seen television or tasted jam into a global rock star serves as a powerful metaphor for the American Dream's transformative potential.
  • KISS' innovative approach to band sustainability focused on building devoted fan loyalty rather than chasing hit singles, creating what Gene describes as an "album band" culture. This strategy, like planting a tree rather than picking flowers, prioritized long-term growth over immediate success.
  • Behind the makeup and theatrical persona, Gene reveals himself to be an unexpectedly scholarly figure, displaying deep knowledge of theology, history, and business. His ability to counter religious critics with biblical verses and his understanding of entertainment industry economics show how knowledge can be wielded as both shield and sword.
  • Gene demonstrates that reinvention is always possible through decisive action. As he puts it: "Don't like your looks? Change them. Don't like your name? Change it. Don't like where you live? Move." This philosophy of taking control of your circumstances, rather than being controlled by them, is something anyone can apply to their own life's journey, regardless of their starting point.
  • And much more...

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The Schaub Show
00:00:00 5/6/2024

Transcript

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Camping, fishing, friends. That's usually the the regular for each in. Yeah. Try. You excited about Alaska? What do you think, dude? Have you looked into it? Of course. Grizzly beers up the wazoo. We'll be in a boat. We'll be fine. Yeah. That's what they tell you. I'll throw Brian over the over the side just to get us, you know? Yeah. He's lived a long life. He'd take one for the team, feed him little appetizer. They'd eat his a*s up real quick. Yeah. Busy weekend myself. Kiddos had baseball all freaking weekend. When you sign up for Little League, you don't realize it is a commitment. I love it. Nothing better. I absolutely love it. My son had a day. My word did he have a day. Best game he's ever played. Because in this league, he he can only pitch because they're 8 and under, so he can only pitch for 2 innings. So he pit he's he pitched 2 innings, 6 strikeouts. So 6 up, 6 down. No hits, no hitter, no runs. That's how we do. He's like Ohtani, but Mexican. And then, he hit a home run, and then he played catcher. And at at 8, this is rare. Then he threw a kid out from home plate to 2nd. I mean, and then he was short stop and then had, just this diving catch to get one of the last outs. The dude balled out. His uncle was there, his grandma, grandpa, and he just really showed out. I was proud of him. Balled out, and the bossy had his game right after. I was there all day, all freaking day. We started the show late today because, I have an issue with the lightning. I have an issue I have an issue with lightning. I gotta go straight between shows and, meet my buddy, Jose, who works on lightning's. Might be a fuel pump problem case. Still? I think so. We'll see. I thought we fixed that. I thought so too, dude. That's the life of modding. It's tough to tell what exactly the problem is. Yeah. Frustrating. It's been running fine. Then I put it on some carjacks, and I lifted the rear end up, and I think I knocked something loose. I'll be honest. It's all on me. It happened. I guess it happens. It's very frustrating. We'll figure it out though. Some must come in hot. It's hot out today. It was hot out yesterday. Fight wise, well, we had 301, and, you know, this is the residue of, big cards and 299300. And this is how it always goes. Everyone's like, oh, this card sucks. Blah blah blah. It's not as good as 300, 299. Of course, it's not, but it it delivered. There's I mean, for the most part, it delivered. Were some people walking out through the main event? Yes. Okay? They're flyweights, so that happens. You know, he was really even though Pantosha was defending his title here and for the first time in Brazil, which is a big deal, he's faced the number 10 guy, which was a good fight. Steve, Ursig made some mistakes. You tell you don't have the experience. His game plan, some of the times when he shot in and created these, you know, transitions and and and ended up on bottom. It it was just he he could've won that fight, but, he didn't. He made some critical errors, just like your boy Vitor Petrino did as well with Anthony Smith, which we'll get to. But even though Pantoja was the headliner, the real headliner was Jose Aldo. And boy, did he show out. Jose Aldo passed the test. And I don't think the UFC thought this fight was gonna go this way. I don't think they really care, but I think they're trying to get Jonathan Martinez over. He's the young prospect, monster. He's been doing work, you know, younger guy. Not an ideal fight for Jose Aldo even though it's in Brazil. Jose Aldo was supposed to fight Dominic Cruz, so they put in, Johnson Martinez, and they wanted to use the shine of, you know, the king of Rio to put, Johnson Martinez over, as they say in professional wrestling. And Jose Aldo had different plans. He looked fantastic. He won all 3 rounds easy. The judges got this one right. 3027 across the board there. And it was Jose Aldo's night. The crowd, by far, the biggest applause. Everyone was there. Matter of fact, when after his fight, some people left. I know a lot of the fighters left. I I heard the arena wasn't that full. Even though they said it was 4 they sold 14,000, I heard the take was pretty they're, like, 2 for 1 and stuff like that. So, you know, that's what you get when you put on a card like this. But Jose Aldo looked fantastic. It's also should note that that was Jose Aldo. They offer him a contract extension. Thought I was gonna sneeze. They offered him a contract extension. He turned it down and was like, nope. I'll just find out my contract. And they usually give you a very difficult fight, which they did in Jonathan Martinez, but they didn't realize that Jose Alba has a lot of juice left in the tank and knocked out their young lion. So he fought out his contract, which is always dicey. We saw Francis do it. We've seen a number of guys do it. It blows up in their face. For Jose Aldo, who's a legit UFC Hall of Famer, he's already in the Hall of Fame, it was a smart choice. I think he does resign with UFC. Where else would you go? You go to p f PFL? Could they pay him more, maybe? They might do that. Fight people that we don't know and maybe win a $1,000,000, but, you know, you're just fighting Never Man's Land and nobody's watching. I think for him, he's gonna try and do a hybrid deal to remain in the UFC. He wants to box too. I don't see think the UFC would be too happy about that, but I do think eventually, he'll come back to the UFC. I don't think he resigned to another MMA organization. I think he's gonna go try his hand at boxing. I think, you know, they've talked about a Floyd Mayweather fight for him. He's too small for the the Paul brothers. There's some other stuff he can do out there, but I do think eventually Jozano resigns with the UFC after he gets done with whatever he wants to do in boxing. Anthony Smith, Vitor Petrino. Another one. Anthony Smith, fighting a young lion. This Vitor guy is a complete f**king Brazilian savage and his they brought it up on the broadcast. His experience, his lack of experience showed. Mhmm. Shoots in just for a wild double leg, with his neck exposed and Anthony Smith chokes him unconscious. And that is his first loss ever. He's undefeated. And the the only way he was gonna the only way he can learn is, you know, making these mistakes. Is he still, you know, a talented prospect? Of course. But he fought a a savvy veteran. You know, as Anthony Smith said, there are levels to this game and Vitor learned that the hard way. Shot in a s**tty shot, exposed his neck. And when a guy's undefeated like that, of course, he thinks he can do get away with anything, but you're gonna learn. These vets look for that stuff, and Anthony Smith looked for that. Got it done. He thinks he has a run left in him. I don't know. He could, especially at light heavyweight. Any of the other divisions, like, outside of heavyweight, like, if this is middleweight, welterweight, 155, 145, welterweight, 170, 135, not a chance. At his age, no. Not a chance. But light heavyweight, I don't get why everyone's hating on him. But everyone's like, oh, that's so ridiculous. How? How? He's had a big win over a prospect, gets another win. We're talking Matthew Smith fighting for a title. It's not that crazy. Could definitely do it at his age. It's not that wild. Again, at these heavyweight class, you can get away with that. The lighter ones, not a f**king chance, but it with this, 100%. The Michelle Pierre, he did his thing. What's he want? 7 in a row now? Since moving up to middleweight? I can't believe he's a 1 7 here when he's seen my middleweight. Like, how in the world? 7 in a row. 7 in a freaking row, dude. He fought Diego Sanchez. Take that in. He fought Diego f**king Sanchez. Drink that engine. Drinking it. Drink it in, dude. That is wild. Yeah, dude. 7 in a row. Cesar, he got rear naked, 3 4 decisions, bro. That's not gonna win you any fun things. And then he got, 5 the Night with a split decision over Pontonibio. Javier Petroski, he that's it. Return back to middleweight, performance of the night. Then he won again, rear naked choke, performance of the night in Miami, and that was UFC 299. He looked great on that. And then, he had a big win over the guy who took out Shogunn. Fans root for him. Another guillotine choke performance of the night. I'm surprised that you did you look at the bonuses? The UFC didn't give Jose Aldo a performance bonus. Should've resigned. That's what they do. They're like, okay. No. We're not giving you any favors. It's not happening. Even though you've done so much for us, one of the greatest of all time, king of Rio, No. No. No. Not happening. It's time for Pierre to fight some good competition though. It's go time. Paul Craig. God, man. That was a tough one. Yeah. Beat up pretty bad. They could have stopped that one earlier. Oh, our boy, Jack Shore. Do you see this? That was a weird stoppage, John. Wild. Mhmm. So if for those of you that didn't watch it, even though this one was free on the prelims if you have ESPN plus, but our boy, Jack Shore, who we absolutely love from Wales, shout out to Jack Shore, Jackie Shore. Jackson Shore as I like to call him here in America. Jackson Shore, his leg started bleeding. He had a contusion and then a open cut in his shin. The doctor comes in, shoves his finger into the cut, and goes, how do you feel? And Jack's like, yeah. I'm good. Let's continue fighting. He goes, nope. It's a fracture. Jack's like, I don't think so. They tell him it's a fracture. He leaves there. He goes to the hospital. They go, no fracture. It's just an open wound. And and this is the problem when you have a doctor with 0 fight experience. I assume he has no fight experience. These guys are not like others. They're gonna continue to fight. You get because when you take away a win from a fighter, it is devastating. It sets them back exponentially. It and not only that, it's also half their pay. So if you're just gonna which is wild to assume it's a fracture. It's so wild. The final year is, no. I think I'm good, and he'll, no. I think it's a fracture, and you have no clue. Wouldn't you rather lay on the side of, alright. Let's let it go a little longer. If it's fractured, there's no way he's gonna be able to perform, and then he falls down, and then he can stop it. Because when when you do this, that awful stoppage, when you do this, it screws the fighter over, man. Mhmm. Again, you wouldn't continue to fight as the doctor. You would never. These guys are not built like you. These guys do not think like you do. So you're bringing these civilian, layman kind of values on these fighters. They're not like you. You gotta let Jackson Shore continue to fight. You f**ked him, dude. You screwed him. And now, back to the drawing board. It sucks, and you got half his pay, because you thought it was fractured. But you also, sitting in the air conditioned office Monday through Friday and look at sick people, and push agendas on them and prescriptions and vaccines. And he just caused this kid a huge fight. Yeah. Just just caused a huge you know, caused him to lose a huge fight, and now he's back to the queue. f**k them. I I did hear, like, an argument from either Kenny Florian Love to hear it. So I I they said that if there was one argument for it, it's because it was bleeding so bad. It was, like, an open wound that something about yeah. It's like staph, like bacteria, like, something getting worse, but even if Jack wants to continue and he's It's on him? Yeah. It's not a broken leg. You've already allowed this grown man to enter a steel cage in his underwear and fight for a living. So all of a sudden, we're worried about this? If you know cuts all the time and get All the time. So I don't yeah. I don't know. All the time. And wouldn't you be more worried if because have we ever seen this in when the the cuts on the face? You're more likely to get bacteria or staph in the face on those cuts on the head when they're rubbing their heads against the other canva*s. You would be in in the canvas than the leg. So that that argument's out the window. Yeah. This shouldn't have been stopped without a doubt. Stupid. Screws Jackson. Screws Jackson Shore, unique name. But the card the card was fun. Overall, the card was fun. Mauricio Ruffy verse, Jamie Malarkey. That was tough one. I'm a Malarkey fan. He got his a*s whooped. Everyone's saying that the Ruffy guy is like, the next Conor McGregor, the way he fights. Big deal. Yeah. Stud. Alright, guys. Let's take a little break because as a kid, I love me some cards. My word. One time, I opened up a pack. I got a Christian Laettner rookie card and Shaquille O'Neal, rookie card. My brother got nothing. He beat me up. 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Use code Schaub, s h a u b, at monthly knife club dot com for 10% off your 1st month. You're welcome. Knife away. Yeah, yeah, that, dude, it was a, what is that? It's a $150 weekend, plus I paid 500 for a f**king mariachi band. Oh, he's talking about the Canela fight. Oh, dude. My because my girl's from Canela's hometown. So they have to get the pay per views. Dude, to charge $90 for a Canelo fight is wild. $90? And there's legit people that were there before the main event, the the in the the undercard, maybe 15 people in the crowd, maybe 20. As soon as Canelo walks out, it fills in. That's boxing. Mhmm. They just do it different than we do. Canelo is come it was a competitive fight the first 3, 4 rounds, and Canelo dropped his a*s. Kid's never been dropped. Young kid, I think he's 26, 27, 43 and o. Yep. 43 and o. Fighting Canelo, who has, what's that, 63, 65, 65 fights. And Quenal's only 33, man. I can't imagine Quenal has too many fights left, maybe 2 big boys. If it's up to me, I would do I mean, and definitely not up to me. I would do, Canelo versus Benavides and then Canelo verse Crawford? Crawford. Big boy fights. Does he do any of those? Oof. Tough. Bambidas is a mother trucker. You know? But the fight, it's like he dropped them with that uppercut. Kid's never been dropped. Kid tough as nails. What's weird is Canelo's booed entering the ring. Dude. And it was definitely a Mexican crowd because for, Munguia, you know, there so Munguia's from Tijuana. Canelo's from where my girl's from? And Guadalajara? Guadalajara. So it's like Guadalajara would be like Calabasas and Tijuana where Mungi is from would be like South Central. So you have 2 conflicting fan bases and they're and Mungio, it was pro Mungio, but by the end, everyone was all good. It's Mexia, Mexicribe there. So Mexicans won. They were good. But it do you watch the fights? It's like, alright. I guess I'll watch this. You know? Because after the 4th round, not a ton going on. Not a ton. I honestly didn't I just saw the highlights, but then I heard that, Canelo kinda gassed out a little bit too near the end. No. I wouldn't say gassed out. He just was a it he didn't take a ton of risk. You know? He definitely won the fight easily. But those first four rounds, you could give 3 to 1 to Munguia. But then after that, it was just an onslaught by Canelo, and he dropped them bad with an uppercut. But, yeah, it wasn't. There has never been a world title fight featuring 2 Mexican born fighters above a £160. Wow. Yeah. Big deal. Not a mariachi band. And I worked on a Ford Lightning. Pretty Mexican, dude. Very Mexican. One quick one just to go over. So Smeela Sandel from 1 championship, she had fought Natalia Dyashkova, I believe it Which wasn't the plan. Homegrown miss Wade, yeah. Miss Wade, and the thing the problem with Smeela is, like, she's a badass, but she she started when she was, like, 14 or something, like, really young, and she's growing. So it's it's just tougher and tougher to to make the weight class, so she's asking one to, you know, make a higher weight class so she can fight. But for now, she has to, like, keep cutting like crazy. It's tough. But she won, like, pretty devastatingly with a body shot and then he just walked in on a f**king day's notice and got her a*s beat. So it goes. And the girl who missed weight, she missed it by how not a crazy amount. Right? No. Girl, you better shave your head. Whatever it takes. I'm not even saying that because she looks like the Stranger Things girl too. So people were saying like Shave your head. Shave your head. Yeah. Get your rose on. Better make that weight. But, yeah, 1 championship did their thing. Yeah. It's hard to feed the other undefeated cat. Oh, yeah. Connor and, yeah. Yeah. So that's okay. There's a there's quite a big, like, a Newsweek this week. So Conor McGregor out of nowhere, once okay. So the main thing we're here is Ryan Garcia. I guess his test came back from before his fight and the Davis fight, and he got popped for 2 things, right? So, one's Osterine, which is a SARM, and then the other one was like metabolites of nandrelin, which is actual steroid, like a real steroid. So they're testing the b samples to find out what, you know, if it's legit, but so after that happened, Connor It's like a trace amount. Right? Yeah. Very, very it's just the metabolites of it. What's weird is Connor going to Adam because they're boys. Yeah. We know what's going on. Right, guys? Yeah. That's right. I'm always saying that now. You're crazy if you don't think Connor texts Ryan before. Yeah. Let's do it. Was like, yo, let's sell this thing. We're both gonna make a s**t ton of money. And Ryan's like, I don't give a s**t fire away. And this is what we're getting. Yeah. He just said it was a fight with Ryan because he has one fight left in the UFC probably. Or just him for them He wins it, maybe 2, and then it just sets a fight with him and Ryan. Ryan's entertaining these MMA crossovers. He's called out Sugarshan, Connor. You know, he's down. You know, the reason I feel like that may not be the case is because Connor also went at, Suga for popping for the same thing, didn't he? Yeah. But I I do think that that it's like a a game plan. I think it's Connor taking over the narrative too. Connor's the best at it. The very best. Like, you're almost talking about Ryan. Connor takes over. Everyone's talking about insert name. Connor takes over. And Sean's like with what One of the, if not one of the biggest right now in in UFC too. So And Ryan called out, Sugar. Sean. Yeah. So, I mean, Connor's like, no. No. No. I'm still the top dog. That's all he's doing. He's just sunning these boys. But he went like super hard. Super hard in the on the He only goes one way. Mhmm. If you've been in there, like, oh, I will fight you. You let you steroid. People, like, what? So he goes hard in the paint. The last line is Last one's tough. Yeah. Last one is where I can. Can we not add that in all caps? Get your head together or I'll kill or kill yourself. That's intense. Well, the guy that has obviously opened up about his mental issues. Yeah. It's a lot. I see Carm McGregor. I'm gonna break your weak a*s ankle. You ran from being tested because you're on roids. Roadhouse or roid rage? You should've said roid house instead of roid rage. Fudge, Connor, c**k, hot brain. See, I see, I would have deleted both of their, the last time that they did both. Connor's is like, woah, kill yourself. Let's pull back. That's cool. Yeah. And then fudge Connor caca brain. Are you 7? c**k up brain. Yeah. They they were they were going at it, but just those last sentences don't work for me. All they're doing is setting this up. It's brilliant by Connor. But yeah, don't tell people to kill themselves, Connor. Okay. Last week we talked about Jon Jones and that and Meguru guy, so Jon Jones actually responded to him or just made the statement about him. You know, it's crazy that we live in a world where influencers can persuade the minds of boys on the internet, literally some random loser with a microphone in his basement. People just say anything they want these days off. I find it fascinating. Yeah. And he said, like, you know, he could keep talking. It just puts my name out there even more. Makes me bigger. So at least he didn't threaten a lawsuit or anything like that. No. And John has been very vocal lately about okay. So first thing he wrote was, who would you guys want me to fight the most, Alex or Tom? Alex Paredo or Tom Aspinall? What's wild is he has a fight with none of those guys. So let's And he knows it. Okay. And he, like, he and he he knows that literally, I was reading his tweets on Twitter. There's x on x. He was saying, Dana gave me an official date. Mhmm. I'll wait for the UFC to announce it soon. It's not against Alex or Tom Acenal, which it should be. It's against Stipe that nobody wants. And that's not a knock on Stipe. I love Stipe. But just no one, like, wants this. And then Ruben Carter, the real, Ruben King at real Ruben King put Jon Jones for Verstibe is officially signed for UFC 307, which we're on 301 now. That puts what? Mid late? Well, late this year? I'll look up the actual date, but but but even John's, like, not talking about Stipe. He's just I and he's kinda only doing for his resume, I guess, to be taken as the greatest of all time, which even if he lost to Stipe, he still is. But it's just strange, isn't it? Mhmm. Like, no one's talking about Steve Bay. The fan base has said, hey, we'd rather you fight Alex or more so people when you fight him to fight Tom Aspinall. He knows this and yet he still pushes the when I say pushes, he still agrees to fight Stipe. Even though even he's not he's talking about 2 other gentlemen that he's not fighting. It's very strange, right? John Tom's the f**king fight, dude. Mhmm. Tom Alex is massive. That'd be fun. If Alex P became champion of the heavyweight division, would you guys consider him the GOAT? I don't that's a I mean, it's a lot to get into. There's definitely an argument. First time ever, 3 Yeah. Belt champion, 3 different weight classes, but he's done in, what, 8, 9 fights? His resume is pretty damn impressive. Look at me champions he's fought. You actually think me fighting Tom would be more massive than Alex? Yeah. That's but and I colliding. Obviously, you're colliding. Tom only matters in the UK news flash. Alex is one of the most polarizing figures the sport has seen. Tom's a contender who won a belt against another contender. We had to save Mes Square Garden's main event. I'm thinking dollar signs, legacy, big picture here. Now what UK fans are dying to see, literally just went through this with the French fans. It's referring to Cyrille Gane. I mean, is Tom Aspinall as big as, Alex Pierrette? No. Fame wise? No. But Tom's a legit heavyweight and the whatever you wanna call it, he's the interim champ. That's the most important part. He's in your weight cla*s. That's the most important part. Alex, it's a stretch. To John's defense, if he says, I'm thinking dollar signs, then Alex is the fight. If he's thinking legacy and big picture, then Tom's the fight. Mhmm. So it's 2 different things. I mean, take my money on all of them. I I don't know. Is John say because it sounds like he doesn't he doesn't wanna fight all 3 of them. Sounds like it's Stipe, then either Alex or Tom, and he's leaning towards Alex. Yeah. But I don't get like, as far as the goat argument, think if he beat Stipe and he's gonna be favored in all these except for the Tom fight. Notice he's not really talking a lot about Tom. So he'd be pretty significantly favored over Stipe, over Alex Pierra, and probably not against Tom. But if you wanna talk about GOAT, imagine if you beat all 3 of those guys. There's no there's no I don't think there's a conversation now that John's the GOAT, but if you had an argument, if he beat Alex, Tom, and Stipe, case solved. But I mean Case closed, I should say. His plan did his plan is probably the best plan. Right? Because he has a better chance of beating Stipe, a better chance of beating Alex, and then the last The toughest fight is the this is what sucks. The toughest fight is the one that's gonna draw the least amount of eyeballs, but it's the most merited fight too for his legacy. Yeah. Just it's interim versus champion. That's what I'm saying for his legacy if that's what he wants to talk about. But as far as number wise, Alex number 1, Stipe number 2. Actually, I think Alex number 1, Tom number 2, Stipe number 3. Nobody wants the Stipe fight. O'Reilly Auto Parts. 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I mean, there's nothing there now. I know, but at least we know the dates. Yeah. Boy, 304, 305, and then 308 are all international fights. You have Perth, Australia. You have Abu Dhabi for 308. Fight night, Abu Dhabi go up. Manchester is 304, And 3 zero three is Connor and Chan Connor and, Chandoria. Wow. Okay. They put anybody else on that 303? In Vegas, I would assume John and Stipe 307. That's definitely America. So you got, Connor, Chandler, Jamal Hill, Cleo Rountree, Kupp Swanson, Feely, Phil Pfeiffer. Okay. We still gotta build that card. It's looking tasty though, but it's not a full pay per view yet. What else you got, Jen? Let's see. Oh, this one. So this is before Anthony Smith's fight with the Vitor. So Alex Pareda said that he'll give him 50,000 will give Anthony Smith $50,000 if he can choke him out even while he's behind his back with hooks in. And then it's so funny that after that's how Anthony won his fight against Veera. But he what it was a or was it green naked? No. It was Guido. It was Guido in my backyard. So anyway so he's saying and then Anthony Smith said he'll take that bet for $50. And it was weird, but But if he doesn't, choke him out like that, then does Anthony Smith have to pay Alex $50? They didn't really specify that, but I'm guessing that's the case. Yeah. That's a bad bet. Wait. Wait. Wait. For, Anthony or for Alex. Alex. Yeah. Alright. It's a terrible bet. We're never gonna see that. You guys know that. Right? Yeah. No one ever does those bets. No. Yeah. And that's, Pineda sleeping when Anthony Smith got called up for Is he really sleeping? No. Just joking around. Oh. This one I thought was interesting. So Did you see, Bruce Buffer messed up? I have that too. I've never seen Bruce mess up. I and that was a pretty crazy one too. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, and still undefeated. Anthony's like, what the Anthony took it in stride. It was so funny to watch him. What's this? So this is Paige Chen's at you know, because she's gonna do this boxing thing with that, OnlyFans person. So this is like an interview for a misfit Misfits Boxing, and then the interviewer is talking about different MMA guys, different I mean, people that transitioned into boxing. So I'll just play this for you real quick. Dylan Danis is not a fighter. Who's not a fighter? Dylan Danis. He's not a fair comparison. There are other examples. I'll I'll be more referring to some other examples of MMA fighters. Dan Oscar. Not a fighter. Oh. I mean, Nate Diaz. A wrestler. Nate Diaz. Nate Diaz is great. Nate Diaz. But when he made George Masvidal. So when, Dylan Danis heard that, he posted something. Yeah. He went nuts on her. Yeah. Yeah. Went nuts on him. Yep. We have all that too. So this is I would say this though. Like, before we get into Dylan Dana stuff, all of it doesn't work for me. So so when she says Ben Askin's not a fighter That's of course. She's just uninformed. She just doesn't know what she's talking about. Was her husband there? Because he would know. Like, any legit fighter knows Ben Askren is a f**king fighter. Does he specialize in wrestling? Absolutely. But to say badass is not a a fighter because he he's wrestling heavy is just ignorant. It's just kinda uninformed. You're talking about a guy who's a Bellator champion. I think he was it 1 champion? Where'd he come from? Was it 1 championship? Yeah. 1 championship. He did trade in Mighty Mouse. You're talking about, outside the UFC, he held multiple world titles in MMA. Yeah. To say he's not a fighter is just stupid. His resume come and I love Paige, but, you know, his resume compared to hers is not it's it's stupid. It's silly. Silly. Yeah. So our boy, Ben. Oh, there you go, Ben. You know what's up? Ben goes, Ben Davis goes, Ben Askin isn't a fighter. He went 9 and o in Bellator with 4 title defenses, then went 6 and o in 1 championship with 3 title defenses. 19 and 2 with 12 finishes in his MMA career. Let's put some respect on Ben Askren. I mean, and most people that follow the sport would know this stuff. Mhmm. Paige, I think, you know, she's younger too. So Ben, when he did this work, was before her time, so she probably just didn't know. Her husband, though, Austin, which should be like, yep. Not no. Ben's legit. Like, let's let's edit that. Also, when it comes to Dylan, how many MMA fights has Dylan had? Just 2 in Bellator? 2 or 3. Yeah. Her argument, I guess, you could do it. He's been in there though. So the I guess her I guess we should see what her criteria is for not a real fighter is, you know? Or we see what the criteria is, what she thinks is a fighter. I think in her mind when she was saying that, she was just like, the guy's asking of MMA people that have transitioned into boxing. Like, Ben's not a boxer. That that I think that's probably what she was trying to say, but she said fighter instead, which is obviously wrong. Yeah. Yeah. That was a bad take. Yeah. Yeah. Ben to boxing, you have an argument. Dylan to boxing, you have an argument. But to say that but if the the umbrella is fighter, if we're talking MMA, jujitsu, wrestling, that's where it gets weird. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Do you wanna entertain what Dylan said or no? He put how fast they forget, relax, page you, baby. Just because I didn't wife you doesn't mean you have to be petty. Don't make me bring up our 2 trips to Vegas and ruin your marriage. He does this all the time, though. Yeah. He always does this stuff. Then Paige responded. It looks like she was crying before the video. I'm old. Maybe she's just high. Mention that there is a certain clown on Instagram by the name of Dylan Danis trying to talk some s**t and stir up some drama. So let's f**king go. Right? So, Dylan, obviously, I said you're not a real fighter. My bad. I triggered you. I understand that I hurt your feelings. But instead of coming back and just talking s**t about me saying, I'm not a real fighter. What did you do? You kind of f**ked yourself, right? You backed yourself into a corner because now you have to come with proof of this alleged affair. Right? Because the He doesn't though because social media you in Vegas was at the UFC athlete retreat. You walked up to me in a bar, asked me to peg you in front of multiple other UFC fighters, and I laughed in your face. That's not the definition of a relationship, is it? And certain of drama on the Internet to try to fight my husband, there's definitely better ways that you could handle that. He's got 3 things that you will absolutely never have. 1, a wife, 2, friends. And 3, a real MMA resume. So, Dylan, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, but when you're a piece of s**t like you are, it's pretty f**king easy. Have a good one. Harden the page. Paige is on 1. Yeah. I think she just, maybe she got triggered because, again, she's going into that world, so, you know, she wants to separate herself from that kind of crowd. That's all it is. Yeah. And this is Austin Venofer, her husband. Dylan, guy. Let's just fight. Paige's comments seem to upset you. We are the same way. We can box or do whatever you want. I'd watch that. Yeah. Best way to solve things. 2 professional fighters, you have I get an idea. Fight? Yep. So talking on social media, then you're just like everybody else. You guys have skills. Fight. Let's take a little break. Let's face it. Insurance can be overwhelming. Thank God for progressive insurance. Alright? You need Progressive Insurance. You need a good insurance. And what Progressive does is they compare rates so you can find a great rate that works just for you. Even if it's not with them, it's all good. They just want you to find the best rate. You don't have to go with them. 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Dude, did you guys watch The Roast of Tom Brady? So we have a little bit of that. So f**king funny. Schultz was I thought it was incredible. So good. Yeah. We saw about Dana and Bay. He was so good. Yeah. Schultz crushed it. Tony crushed it. It was Kevin Hart. Oh, my it I was laughing out loud this morning so hard trying to tweak my kids up. It was so g*****n funny. But the reason I bring that up because Sean O'Malley was there. Alright. Sean O'Malley was there sitting with Dana, and Jeff Ross was like, what what is this? Queer Eye for the Straight Guy? Who are you rolling with these days? And Sean's there just with pink hair and a pink suit. It was so dude, I was laughing so g*****n hard. Yeah. Sean O'Malley versus, Devashile. Ma'am, take my money. At the Sphere? Hell, yeah. It's gonna be sick. Not official, but just that's what Maraab was saying on that show. Pretty official. UFC is not gonna like that. This came out of nowhere. Matt Brown just suddenly said, I'm done. He's gonna retire. Start doing it again. I'm out. Yeah. He's the man. I love Matt Brown. Without a doubt. Legend. The immortal. Yeah. I love that guy. He's talking about how he's gonna start a podcast. I thought he was already doing podcasts with David Martin. I guess he's gonna talk about his retirement on David Martin's podcast, but I don't know if they started it yet. Yeah. I thought it was the fighter and the rider. I thought that They've had fighter and rider for a while, like, different fighters, I think. No. But lately, it's been Dave Martin and, Matt Brown. Yeah. For a while. So I figured that when he said I'm a start a podcast, maybe it just means on his own? Because I thought he was on there a bunch, but could be wrong. Shout out to Matt Brown. I love Matt Brown. So we'll play the Bruce Buffer clip. We don't have to actually show the video. I'll just play the audio. Ladies and gentlemen, referee Osiris Mize got a stop to this contest at 2 minutes of the very first round. Declared the winner by submission to do a guillotine choke and still undefeated. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me. Lion heart span. Have we ever I can can you name anytime Bruce has messed up? Dude, I Where this would've got really bad is if it was like a close close decision, like, came down like championship rounds, 4th 5th rounds, back and forth. It's really close and we're like all waiting. If you f**k that up, oh, it'd been bad. They may have to go back, talk to the whatever. Oh my god. That'd been a disaster. This was so obvious. This one that's why I'm defeated. That's why Anthony's laughing. He's like, what? And I choked him out, dude. Yeah. I don't I can't remember if I've seen Bruce mess up before. No. Especially not that bad. No. Oh, excuse me. Oh, excuse me. You guys said undefeated. Undefeated. Almost the entire name. Yeah. Excuse me. Oh, excuse me. Mhmm. She probably s**t his pants. Oh, excuse me. This is pretty cool. So John Attic, after the last UFC 301, he has set the record for the most fights called in UFC history. Legend. Yeah. Greatest ever do it. I don't think he's he's never even got close to messing up. Right, Johnny? He's always perfect. No. He's I mean, yeah. He's the best, the absolute best. Yeah. We can't play the the roast stuff anyways because it's Netflix, but there's a lot of good stuff on that. Oh, it's so funny. Yeah. We can talk about I'm firing the kid. Okay. And this is the rock training for the smashing machine, the marker, I guess, biopic movie? That's gonna be sick. Yeah. It's just him, trying to learn MMA? Like, he's doing he's sparring, doing wrestling and stuff, but to me, I was telling Casey earlier before you got here. I'm like, why is he wearing these, like, tiny little, you know, like, on things? But we No. He's too good. Mark Kerr used to wear it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He used to wear those. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Boy, he cannot look more opposite than Mark Kerr, but Both were jacked, though. I mean, if that's the requirement. Okay. I have my I have my own business. Okay. This is okay. I don't know where this is from or when this was, but I'm already 11. Uppercuts TV posted this. T r t somehow finds a way to f**k up a simple mic drop. Let me see it. Damn. Life life will f**king kick you in the dick. This happens to Tito. I don't know why it happens so often, things like this. He's such a good dude, dude. He take care. Why did he toss it? It's like mic drop. Did you throw it? It's a mic drop. Drop it. It's not a mic toss. He's all Yeah. I don't understand. He's like, ow. Those f**king mics are not soft and not light. Those things are f**king dense, dude. And the tips are all metal. He's probably, like, ow, f**k. Let me see it one more time. Yeah. I love Tito though. Tito's the man. Yeah. He's awesome. Tito out. That's a foul f**k. Oh, man. That's hilarious. Oh, shout out to Tito, man. Hopefully, it didn't f**king make a mark. He's good. Good chance it did. Oh, excuse me. No. Excuse me. Oh, excuse me. Just a royal f**k up. Oh my god. s**t. His pants. UFC papers. You called the wrong guy. Oh, excuse me. Would you rather be Tito or, Bruce Buffer And Bruce Buffer 1 Yeah. Yeah. Tito, ouch. Ow, f**k. Poor guy. I know. You know, UFC fight. I I told you, yeah. You get through May, kids. June's gonna be popping. So So we gotta get through May. We got Derrick Lewis, always fun. Joaquin Buckley, your sultan is a fantastic fight. Tough fight for Joaquin. Very tough fight. Yeah. This yeah, man. I bet you this card's more exciting than UFC Brazil we just watched. And that was a decent card as far as entertainment wise, especially the main card. Some quick a*s fights. This is a good card. Solid. Yeah. Pretty good. Switch for this is a fight night. I'll take it. Take my ESPN plus money, I guess. Is that it, Tim? That's it. It's funny. Alright, kids. Love you guys. 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